Kate McCann hit by internet trolls on missing Maddie's 12th birthday

sonic72 wrote:

jozi wrote:

OMG she is playing the victim again.    Can we look at the messages that were left on her just giving page without donating .....  and will they be true or just another PR stunt !!!

This! Just playing a victim game. I've looked on her page every day since Amaral's fund started to see how the two progress against each other, out of curiosity, and like I say there were a couple of donations with messages left about Amaral. I saw all of them, and this Daily Star article proves how much of a liar she is. Too bad to print my foot. She is blatantly lying and playing the victim. Do not be sucked in by her lies.

I never thought of following that page. The woman gets too much on my nerves. Would anyone have screenshots?

lj wrote:

sonic72 wrote:

jozi wrote:

OMG she is playing the victim again.    Can we look at the messages that were left on her just giving page without donating .....  and will they be true or just another PR stunt !!!

This! Just playing a victim game. I've looked on her page every day since Amaral's fund started to see how the two progress against each other, out of curiosity, and like I say there were a couple of donations with messages left about Amaral. I saw all of them, and this Daily Star article proves how much of a liar she is. Too bad to print my foot. She is blatantly lying and playing the victim. Do not be sucked in by her lies.

I never thought of following that page. The woman gets too much on my nerves. Would anyone have screenshots?

I checked it too. A few "donations" from Eddie and Keela (Woof, Woof!), but nothing "too bad to print" that I've seen.

Jauna Loca wrote:

lj wrote:

sonic72 wrote:

jozi wrote:

OMG she is playing the victim again.    Can we look at the messages that were left on her just giving page without donating .....  and will they be true or just another PR stunt !!!

This! Just playing a victim game. I've looked on her page every day since Amaral's fund started to see how the two progress against each other, out of curiosity, and like I say there were a couple of donations with messages left about Amaral. I saw all of them, and this Daily Star article proves how much of a liar she is. Too bad to print my foot. She is blatantly lying and playing the victim. Do not be sucked in by her lies.

I never thought of following that page. The woman gets too much on my nerves. Would anyone have screenshots?

I checked it too. A few "donations" from Eddie and Keela (Woof, Woof!), but nothing "too bad to print" that I've seen.

I don't believe a word of what Kate says. She will lie, manipulate, spin and always has done. Definitely playing the victim role and as usual trying to blame everyone else for the mess that she is in. Of her own making.

It's astonishing, imo, that she agreed to having an open website page for donations. Truly astonishing because she must know how very little support the gruesome twosome and their friends have.

I can only assume that:

Either: TM are hoping it will attract their most outspoken critics and then they can round on them and call them 'vile trolls'. (When the 'trolls' have always been in the other camp, imo.)

Or: TM themselves will post up some derogatory comments and then pretend they came from their most outspoken critics.

The word 'troll' is being completely mis-used in this context. 

Even if you say horrible things etc that it not 'trolling'.

McCann doubters appear to be the vast majority of the population.

NO. I am quite clear that, however many doubters there may now be, the majority of Brits still believe that Madeleine was abducted. Most people, when asked, will say they feel sorry for the McCanns, although they will then add: 'They shouldn't have left those children on their own, though'. Many will add for good measure: 'Let's hope it all has a happy ending'

Tony, the majority of people in the UK did not vote Conservative either, but that is another injustice in our so called Democratic system, first past the post?
I can only hope that people do not fall into a trap/entrapment by the MSM, Summers & Swan machinations, smears, if certain people contact you on Twitter / Facebook and you do not know them be aware,suspicious of what their intentions could be, especially around the T word for comments on Madeleine McCann disappearance/Abduction by who SY?

Tony Bennett wrote:

McCann doubters appear to be the vast majority of the population.

NO. I am quite clear that, however many doubters there may now be, the majority of Brits still believe that Madeleine was abducted. Most people, when asked, will say they feel sorry for the McCanns, although they will then add: 'They shouldn't have left those children on their own, though'. Many will add for good measure: 'Let's hope it all has a happy ending'

Exactly.  If you frequent these forums and twitter #mccann then it is easy become fooled by the illusion that there are many who question the Mc Cann story.  I agree with Tony's words.
Most people believe the neglect myth and that Madeleine was abducted.
If I was asked to guess I would say we are a small percentage of the UK population. Unfortunately

I think what I meant is that it would appear there is very little public support for the McCanns. I agree that probably many people still believe Madeleine was "abducted" but even those who believe this story seem to be pretty critical of their negligence - whether or not their 'baby-listening' system is true. There just seems to be very little support for them. 

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In terms of neglectful and negligent childcare, I find the contents of the link below intriguing. I know there has been discussion on here and elsewhere about the possibility that the McCann's were at Chaplins one evening at least. Which is much further away than the Tapas and obviously - if it is true that they left their children alone in the apartment - would be even more negligent in terms of childcare arrangements as Chaplins is much further away than the Tapas and therefore in no way like "eating in your garden". (Not that I agree that leaving them alone and eating at the Tapas was in any way similar to being in the garden.)

Snipped from the link below. I personally think this has a ring of truth to it. The way it is written appears genuine. The poster seems genuinely angry with the McCanns behaviour.

The McCanns dined out every night of their holiday while their poor children slept alone. They are lucky that this happened on the night they chose to dine in the tapas bar and not Tuesday for example when they dined in Chaplins, below their beloved church, near the beach, 8 times the distance away. They never once checked on their children as they claim, ask the staff! Talk to elderly Mrs. Senn [sic] who lives above and she’ll tell you on that particular Tuesday night she had to sit listening to one of the children “screeming [sic], crying” from 22:30 till 23:45. They went to dinner around 19:00h. Those poor, poor children. Yes, they should be prosecuted. How DARE they preach to other parents and try to teach us safety measures to ensure our children are safe from predators? How DARE they take the positions of heroes? How DARE they commit this crime upon poor Madeleine? Yes, they did it.

http://truthofthelie.com/2008/07/theauthor-dumfounded-by-chaplins/

j.rob wrote:I think what I meant is that it would appear there is very little public support for the McCanns. I agree that probably many people still believe Madeleine was "abducted" but even those who believe this story seem to be pretty critical of their negligence - whether or not their 'baby-listening' system is true. There just seems to be very little support for them. 

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In terms of neglectful and negligent childcare, I find the contents of the link below intriguing. I know there has been discussion on here and elsewhere about the possibility that the McCann's were at Chaplins one evening at least. Which is much further away than the Tapas and obviously - if it is true that they left their children alone in the apartment - would be even more negligent in terms of childcare arrangements.

Snipped from the link below. I personally think this has a ring of truth to it. The way it is written appears genuine. The poster seems genuinely angry with the McCanns behaviour.

The McCanns dined out every night of their holiday while their poor children slept alone. They are lucky that this happened on the night they chose to dine in the tapas bar and not Tuesday for example when they dined in Chaplins, below their beloved church, near the beach, 8 times the distance away. They never once checked on their children as they claim, ask the staff! Talk to elderly Mrs. Senn [sic] who lives above and she’ll tell you on that particular Tuesday night she had to sit listening to one of the children “screeming [sic], crying” from 22:30 till 23:45. They went to dinner around 19:00h. Those poor, poor children. Yes, they should be prosecuted. How DARE they preach to other parents and try to teach us safety measures to ensure our children are safe from predators? How DARE they take the positions of heroes? How DARE they commit this crime upon poor Madeleine? Yes, they did it.

http://truthofthelie.com/2008/07/theauthor-dumfounded-by-chaplins/

What negligence? The negligence that was invented by Team Mc Cann so that people would believe their daughter was abducted?

Why did Kate not take a lie detector test I wonder?

http://shadplay.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/don-cargill-was-dumb-founded.html

j.rob wrote:What negligence? The negligence that was invented by Team Mc Cann so that people would believe their daughter was abducted?


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So do you think they hired a babysitter? Or what childcare arrangements do you think they had in place in the evenings when they ate at the Tapas?

I dont believe they had evening meals at Tapas - only on the night when the abduction allegedly took place. The TAPAS booking sheets have been shown to have been made up based on the Splash / Swim booking sheets (direct replicas). I believe that they dined elsewhere and that they had OC staff caring for their children every evening.
If you were interested in learning about this just follow the link:
http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/tapas-quiz-night-question-4.html

Forgive if I have lost the plot here but wasn't this annual celebration and fund raising stunt set up just days after Madeleine went missing?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id58.html

6/5/2007      Website launched 

11/5/2007     Lawyers fly in to PDL

Casey5 wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id58.html

6/5/2007      Website launched 
11/5/2007     Lawyers fly in to PDL

14/5/2007     Lawyers approach Charity Commission but decide

                     not to go down that route

15/5/2007      Fund incorporated.

Unprecedented speed  according to Enid O'Dowd

And PROOF, if anyone ever needed it that Madeleine was not going to be found, alive, ever.

Website, Fund, Lawyers . . . oh yes, we were so busy there was no time to actually "search" so we didn't bother.

The thing that sticks in my mind is the parents of April Jones and Sarah Payne would never have done this or IMO even thought of it. This is such a red flag that SY should be considering why this was done considering they "thought she had been abducted" Just doesn't make sense.

Tony Bennett wrote:

McCann doubters appear to be the vast majority of the population.

NO. I am quite clear that, however many doubters there may now be, the majority of Brits still believe that Madeleine was abducted. Most people, when asked, will say they feel sorry for the McCanns, although they will then add: 'They shouldn't have left those children on their own, though'. Many will add for good measure: 'Let's hope it all has a happy ending'

Of all the people I've spoken to who have just read about the case via the media and not read any of the files, they all seem to say there is something not quite right about the Mccanns and their story. So I think there's a lot of people that do not believe them based on personal experience.

PEANUT66 wrote:The thing that sticks in my mind is the parents of April Jones and Sarah Payne would never have done this or IMO even thought of it. This is such a red flag that SY should be considering why this was done considering they "thought she had been abducted" Just doesn't make sense.

Yes i agree. Any parent with an ounce of decency in such a case would have no thought of such a thing at such a crucial time as when their child is missing, IMO. First and foremost on their mind would be to locate their child as quickly as possible, the first 24-48 hours are critical. And co operating with the investigating authorities, and answer all questions as to the circumstances that caused the child to go missing, ( ie). when you last saw your child, etc. I think that would be logical in any such investigation and natural for parents to want to answer as best as they can all the questions truthfully unless of course they have something to hide.

Doug D wrote:John Stalker a Troll?
 
Who is John Stalker?
 
He is a retired British Police Chief.
 
Is he a Troll?   (the ridiculous term which is now being applied to anyone who disbelieves the McCanns tale of abduction)
 
Continues………………….
 
http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/John_Stalker_a_Troll_.html
 
and there is also this today:
 
http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Gerry_McCanns_Seven_Days.html

John Stalker was appointed to investigate a series of killings by the then RUC on people known to be terrorists but were in fact unarmed at the time of their demise. I hasten to add that very few people involved in Security Force Operations in Northern Ireland at that time shed any tears  and at least one senior politician is recorded as saying "we don't need an inquiry into these deaths just as many repeat perfomances as soon as possible". Situation was quite different back in 1985 and John Stalker along with his team did actually secure some factual evidence that may well have led to arrests high up in the Police force and also in the DPP office. Unfortunately he was tackling the establishment , the same establishment that had tasked him with the investigation then somehow he was suspended from duty , no mean task for a DCC under allegations that he had associated with criminal elements at some Rotary function or other. None of this was proven, after a year he was re-instated but became aware of the efforts that had been used to discredit him along with his family. Long story short, he chose to leave the Police service as a DCC to take a career in broadcasting. He wrote a book about his exploits which was intially banned from sale in this country along with another book called Spycatcher. I have both of these books upstairs in my Library courtesy of a trip in 1988 to the USA, they sold like hot cakes in the airports over there.
In relation to this case, John Stalker has never put forward a theory as to what actually happened only to emphasise that the Official McCann line is certainly not the truth. Subsequently favours have been called in to protect a very high up source in government and because nobody has been removed from the enquiry OP Grange better known as, then the investigative team have also been given instructions to toe the line as it were. From a Police Officer as a DC investigating the moors murders in the 60s to his eventual "on paper" attacks, suspension then final re-instatement this is a voice that knows only too well what people and governments are all to capable of to exercise personal character protection.
Sadly in this case the only real victim is an innocent little girl. I'm going to keep to myself what I thought of the victims of Stalker's original investigation.

sonic72 wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

McCann doubters appear to be the vast majority of the population.

NO. I am quite clear that, however many doubters there may now be, the majority of Brits still believe that Madeleine was abducted. Most people, when asked, will say they feel sorry for the McCanns, although they will then add: 'They shouldn't have left those children on their own, though'. Many will add for good measure: 'Let's hope it all has a happy ending'

Of all the people I've spoken to who have just read about the case via the media and not read any of the files, they all seem to say there is something not quite right about the Mccanns and their story. So I think there's a lot of people that do not believe them based on personal experience.

Agree with both Tony and Sonic72 on this.

The majority of people I know who only have a passing interest in this do believe that Madeleine was abducted, but will say 'They shouldn't have left their kids alone'.
Hardly surprising really when they've seen this in the papers so often and of course on Crimewatch aswell.

But there are just as many people who believe that there is something fishy about the McCann's. They're not sure exactly what, but believe they know more about what happened than they have ever let on.
There are only a handful of people  that i know who believe the McCann's can do no wrong.