Re: SOLVED

by Gaggzy 14.12.14 20:48

And this child-thieving pair of Brazilians obviously snuck in to 5A with a couple of rancid sea bass in their pockets so they could smear them round and about, like behind the sofa, on poor cuddlecat, all over Kate's clobber, and not forgetting in the wardrobe.

Though how they managed to contaminate the Renault hire-car and Key-fob 25 days later is anyone's guess.

I don't think David Blane or even Dynamo could pull that off!!!!

As someone said earlier, wouldn't a blond-haired white girl who only gives people 'her tuppence worth' in English sort of stick out like a sore thumb in beautiful down-town Brazil?

That 'very observant' video-shop owner said he noticed a dog in the front seat, and the woman looking at the back seat of the car.

That's an easy one. Dirty doggie done his doo-doos on the back seat and jumped into the front to save sitting in it!

They're so reliable, these dogs.

shit happens

by **PeterMac** 14.12.14 21:02

The video shop owner's statement is on file, and although the details are redacted with *****. his full name is available anywhere else,and his PJFILES statement can be easily found.
The entire thing was taken seriously and checked out, Traced, Interviewed and ELIMINATED IN 2007

by jeanmonroe 15.12.14 1:56

Bit LATE bringing in the Brazil 'job' for the footie loving cops at Grange.

World Cup, in Brazil, finished in July!

Oh wait, of course, duh me, the Olympics are being held in Brazil in 2016!

by Mapleleaf 15.12.14 12:09

This is my line of inquiry. Jim Murray should never have done this as it jeopordises recovery if I am correct.
I do not believe it was ever sorted as they never found ES.
I did by accident investigating someone else who has ties to ES.

by woodforthetrees 15.12.14 12:45

If anything, the Brazilian couple would be being re-interviewed as witnesses to see if they spotted anything out of the ordinary.

SY are only looking for a pedophile who killed Madeleine in the apartment then took her from there. SY are looking for people to be able to identify that person, or add credibility to their findings.

All other 'new suspect- breaking news' articles are just media spin, fed by policemen lining their pockets from media payments sad

by ultimaThule 15.12.14 13:10

The UK MSM is not being fed by any police officer working on Op Grange, wftt, and the fact that Andy Redwood has been able to run a non-leaking tight ship in the full glare of the media spotlight is, imo, testament to the respect and loyalty he's been able to command from his team.

by Guest 15.12.14 13:12

[quote="ultimaThule"]The UK MSM is not being fed by any police officer working on Op Grange, [b]wftt[/b], and the fact that Andy Redwood has been able to run a non-leaking tight ship in the full glare of the media spotlight is, imo, testament to the respect and loyalty he's been able to command from his team.[/quote]
agree

by woodforthetrees 15.12.14 13:53

Portia wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:The UK MSM is not being fed by any police officer working on Op Grange, wftt, and the fact that Andy Redwood has been able to run a non-leaking tight ship in the full glare of the media spotlight is, imo, testament to the respect and loyalty he's been able to command from his team.

I have to disagree. Every police man/woman has their price and the media are prepared to pay it.

How else would the media know that they are going back to do interviews? who they are interviewing? when they are doing searches??

(Think Cliff Richard and the BBC, they are all at it)

by suzyjohnson 15.12.14 23:54

There are an estimated seven million street children in Brazil. And yet this Brazilian couple went to all the trouble of stealing a four year old from a holiday apartment in Portugal?

by **PeterMac** 16.12.14 8:31

suzyjohnson wrote:There are an estimated seven million street children in Brazil. And yet this Brazilian couple went to all the trouble of stealing a four year old from a holiday apartment in Portugal?

And then stole a catamaran they were looking after for the low season (see the statement ) and got it out of the port unseen by the Harbour Authorities, and sailed it to Australia / Brazil / Narnia / the Grey Havens, and no one reported it missing . . .

MITCHELL, you are a cretin

by Sam S 16.12.14 10:46

Madeleine may have been on a boat at some point, but not alive and certainly not going as far as Brazil before being disposed off. My opinion only.

by Mapleleaf 16.12.14 11:21

Who ever said they went to Brazil. I found them by accident when investigating another couple.
It was Lagos they left from and P. 854 of the PJ McCann files was the key to all of this.
After four days I feel It best to extracate myself from the Forum ...best to all and remember where you heard this first.
I supplied this line of inquiry stupidly to Jim Murray at the Sunday Express who promised not to print without clearing it with me first in a frustrated state due to no feedback from Grange or PJ whom have it all......Maple Leaf.

by **Tony Bennett** 16.12.14 12:38

Mapleleaf wrote:Who ever said they went to Brazil. I found them by accident when investigating another couple.
It was Lagos they left from and P. 854 of the PJ McCann files was the key to all of this.
After four days I feel It best to extracate myself from the Forum ...best to all and remember where you heard this first.
I supplied this line of inquiry stupidly to Jim Murray at the Sunday Express who promised not to print without clearing it with me first in a frustrated state due to no feedback from Grange or PJ whom have it all......Maple Leaf.

'Mapleleaf' sent a message to the forum-owner yesterday.

I e-mailed him this morning.

He asked for my 'phone number.

I gave it to him.

He 'phoned me. He told me he had found out about Madeleine's abductor at an informal meeting at 33 St. James's Square, London in the summer of 2007. A person who spoke to him there said that his brother was 'involved' in Madeleine's abduction, and gave him some details.

On the strength of this information, he says he spoke to Leicestershire Police and then flew to Lisbon where he met with top officials 'from the DCCP' including 'Pedro Felicio'. He claimed to have met with staff from Operation Grange three times, including 'well before 2011', and says that he met Gary Hagland there on one of his visits. He read me out an e-mail said to be from D.I. Tim Dobson dated 4 July 2013 inviting him to meet with DCI Redwood so that he could give 'further information' about the Brazilian couple. He also said he had very recently spoken to the current Portuguese investigation co-rdinator. He says he was spoken to personally by two members of Control Risks Group. He claimed to have been the source for James Murray's story in this week's Sunday Express. He said that he was '95% certain' that 'his contact' knew where Madeleine was now living. When I asked him for some checkable details about his story, he said: "I'm sorry, I can't, it's all too long and complicated".

At the start of his conversation, he gave his name, ******* *****, and described himself as 'well known in the City' and a former 'Oil and Gas Consultant'.

He then added: "I'm not a crank, you know"

by Joss 16.12.14 12:51

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mapleleaf wrote:Who ever said they went to Brazil. I found them by accident when investigating another couple.
It was Lagos they left from and P. 854 of the PJ McCann files was the key to all of this.
After four days I feel It best to extracate myself from the Forum ...best to all and remember where you heard this first.
I supplied this line of inquiry stupidly to Jim Murray at the Sunday Express who promised not to print without clearing it with me first in a frustrated state due to no feedback from Grange or PJ whom have it all......Maple Leaf.
'Mapleleaf' sent a message to the forum-owner yesterday.

I e-mailed him this morning.

He asked for my 'phone number.

I gave it to him.

He 'phoned me. He told me he had found out about Madeleine's abductor at an informal meeting at 33 St. James's Square, London in the summer of 2007. A person who spoke to him there said that his brother was 'involved' in Madeleine's abduction, and gave him some details.

On the strength of this information, he says he spoke to Leicestershire Police and then flew to Lisbon where he met with top officials 'from the DCCP' including 'Pedro Felicio'. He claimed to have met with staff from Operation Grange three times, including 'well before 2011', and says that he met Gary Hagland there on one of his visits. He read me out an e-mail said to be from D.I. Tim Dobson dated 4 July 2013 inviting him to meet with DCI Redwood so that he could give 'further information' about the Brazilian couple. He also said he had very recently spoken to the current Portuguese investigation co-rdinator. He says he was spoken to personally by two members of Control Risks Group. He claimed to have been the source for James Murray's story in this week's Sunday Express. He said that he was '95% certain' that 'his contact' knew where Madeleine was now living. When I asked him for some checkable details about his story, he said: "I'm sorry, I can't, it's all too long and complicated".

At the start of his conversation, he gave his name, ******* *****, and described himself as 'well known in the City' and a former 'Oil and Gas Consultant'.

He then added: "I'm not a crank, you know"

Then shouldn't Madeleine be home by now with her loving family, (cough), with the perps arrested. And i guess the cadaver evidence was all a myth? roll

by splurgegun 16.12.14 13:03

Tony Bennett wrote:
He then added: "I'm not a crank, you know"

I almost bit yesterday and nearly replied to Mapleleaf's post

it has been said many times before on this forum and others that it is pretty obvious that with the lack of urgency of Operation Grange that they are looking for a body, or in the absence of a body, they are building a case. anything else is fabricated spin from Mitchel, or maybe even Gamble

somebody said yesterday (I can't remember who) that you can't moor a yatch at PDL, so why travel overland from Lagos to kidnap an english speaking (nearly) four year old child and leave the twins behind? why not kidnap a portuguese speaking child in Lagos?

by Guest 16.12.14 13:04

he said: "I'm sorry, I can't, it's all too long and complicated".

Ah... pity that.

File under men's genitals.

by Mapleleaf 16.12.14 13:14

Just spoke with Tony whom is addressing a number of mistakes he made.
By the way Spluregun the boat was at Lagos..See p. 854 of Mccann PJ Files as suggested,

Best Maple Leaf

by woodforthetrees 16.12.14 13:26

"it has been said many times before on this forum and others that it is pretty obvious that with the lack of urgency of Operation Grange that they are looking for a body, or in the absence of a body, they are building a case. anything else is fabricated spin from Mitchel, or maybe even Gamble"

Yes, i agree.

IMO, based on information read, discussed and very recent discussions i have had, i am now firmly in the belief that they are looking for 1 of a small number of paedophiles who operated in the area.

Also agree that OG believe she was dead before the alarm was raised and that whilst they are looking/tracking the supposed paedo, they are also unpicking the timeline of the 'child checking' to be able to prosecute others closer to the core of falsifying information, covering up the lack of checking and essentially child neglect.

All the other stories are just clearing up loose ends, closing off the 'what if's', drawing a line through any previously logged 'oddities' and streamlining everything to hopefully close the case, all with multiple media stories to line everyones pockets (IMO).

I personally do not believe it will ever be resolved. Too much of a mess and if the persecutor hasn't been caught by now, then it's unlikely they will (whether the paedo abductor or Gerry)

by splurgegun 16.12.14 14:37

Mapleleaf wrote:Just spoke with Tony whom is addressing a number of mistakes he made.
By the way Spluregun the boat was at Lagos..See p. 854 of Mccann PJ Files as suggested,

Best Maple Leaf

i know that the boat was at Lagos, but why travel 10km overland from Lagos to kidnap an english speaking 4 yr old ?

if they were Brazillian, why not kidnap a portuguese speaking child in Lagos?

or why not kidnap the twins who were too young to be talking then?

or were they in PDL anyway, somehow involved in a paedophile ring, it went wrong, and they were tasked with disposing of the body?
but why take a body back to Brazil? it just won't stand up to scrutiny as a whitewash

by **PeterMac** 16.12.14 14:41

Fascinating stuff.
The statement is dated 9th MAY 2007. within the first week of the investigation.
The express article seems to be a straight lift from the statement.
And - as we can see earlier on the thread there is no record of a catamaran of that name leaving Lagos
Not sure how that all fits in to the recent story !
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He is Simon Russell, the girl is Sarah Silva. It is all in the public domain

Oh, yes. And he is heavy build, swarthy, baldman

by **PeterMac** 16.12.14 15:06

Tony Bennett wrote:
He then added: "I'm not a crank, you know"

And Jane Tanner said " It’s just, you know, it’s just, you know, I think that’s just, yeah, it’s just. I’m not making this up "

by Mapleleaf 16.12.14 15:32

Petermac you stated this was investigated and cleared.

by **PeterMac** 16.12.14 16:17

Mapleleaf wrote:Petermac you stated this was investigated and cleared.

I have said it has been in the police files from day 6. It is not a new story.
The Express article is almost a straight lift from the statement I have posted, which as you see was dated 9th May 2007
The marina was checked and the movements of boats all along the coast are documented.
S***** S****'s and her husband's name has been in the investigation for the past 7 years.

If there is anything genuinely new then the relevant authorities should perhaps have been told, either recently or at some time over the past 7 years.
Re-cycling a story which has been there, available to the the PJ, to the McCanns, to M3, to Halligen, to Edgar, and to everyone else involved in the "search", does not seem to take us much further forward without some evidence.

And the story was already running in the British press on 9th May 2007.

"'Cracker' experts search for Maddie, 09 May 2007
John Higginson
9th May, 2007
Police have refused to release an E-fit of the suspect only showing it to a few potentially significant witnesses.
But one witness that has seen it Algarve internet owner Simon Russell, 40, said it is nothing more than an 'egg with a side parting'.

by **PeterMac** 16.12.14 17:04

The other boat in the Marina that everyone got hot and sweaty about after one of Kate's friends had had a "vision" was the Shearwater.
It was established fairly easily that it had not left the marina,
since its mast is so tall that it rqeuires the swing bridge to be opened, and this had not happened during April of May

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But it was a good story while it lasted

by Mapleleaf 16.12.14 17:29

Be comfortable in the knowledge that the the relevant authorities have all facts both PJ and Grange. I met with Ana Rito at Portimao a few weeks ago to ensure PJ were totally up to speed.

That couple were never found to this day though PJ tried to question them and found them and the boat Tropics gone.Correct or not.They were never questioned.

There was a solid reason Tropics was not on either list by the way. I showed PJ and Grange why.The boat was subsequently re-registered and named. Grange and PJ have a photo supplied by myself of it. Jim Murray was itching to see it. I only showed it to him from a few feet away when we met last Friday at 3.oop.m. at his offices for two hours.

Grange and PJ have everything on this couple but cannot act directly with the country in question. Both Rito and senior Grange Offficer confirmed directly to me they have to go via Liason officers in a completely different part of the continent in question I have been there more than once to confirm my findings.
It all fits I promise you.

Best Mapleleaf...This Forum stuff is addictive I must cut back as I felt I was going to earlier.

by ScarletLaw 16.12.14 18:00

woodforthetrees wrote:"it has been said many times before on this forum and others that it is pretty obvious that with the lack of urgency of Operation Grange that they are looking for a body, or in the absence of a body, they are building a case. anything else is fabricated spin from Mitchel, or maybe even Gamble"

Yes, i agree.

IMO, based on information read, discussed and very recent discussions i have had, i am now firmly in the belief that they are looking for 1 of a small number of paedophiles who operated in the area.

Also agree that OG believe she was dead before the alarm was raised and that whilst they are looking/tracking the supposed paedo, they are also unpicking the timeline of the 'child checking' to be able to prosecute others closer to the core of falsifying information, covering up the lack of checking and essentially child neglect.

All the other stories are just clearing up loose ends, closing off the 'what if's', drawing a line through any previously logged 'oddities' and streamlining everything to hopefully close the case, all with multiple media stories to line everyones pockets (IMO).

I personally do not believe it will ever be resolved. Too much of a mess and if the persecutor hasn't been caught by now, then it's unlikely they will (whether the paedo abductor or Gerry)

The turning up in Portugal had two purposes for me, one to distract the media away from the Portugese Inspector (sorry forgot his name) in the last day or so of the libel trial, secondly "like you" I think that time is running out because of the new election (can't see new people in wanting to help the McCanns like Cameron who was doing a favour for Rebakah Brooks) and the Met want every thing looking tidy for their denouement when they close the case to the public. It will be, going by strong hints already, that she died in the apartment by person or persons unknown (most likely under the guise of an abductee) and it will not be opened until new evidence comes forward-i.e never. The only way justice will happen is that somebody involved, whoever that may be, gets a new partner or something and unburdens themselves, and this person subsequently comes forward. There was a case in America where a little boys mother was killed and the killer was never found. Twenty years later the killer told his wife in a fit of rage "that he killed the victim" -he was then prosecuted on the verbal evidence. I feel it's by only someone breaking rank now and telling someone else- that justice will happen

by Gaggzy 16.12.14 19:09

NickE wrote:I also know a person who went away in a private jet shotly after the "disappearance"
Philip Edm*nds!

.... and didn't Gerry say that his brother, John, I think it was, left the following morning on a private jet after a row or 'disagreement?'

(I'm sure someone could provide a link).

by rustyjames 16.12.14 19:19

PeterMac wrote:
And the story was already running in the British press on 9th May 2007.

"'Cracker' experts search for Maddie, 09 May 2007
John Higginson
9th May, 2007
Police have refused to release an E-fit of the suspect only showing it to a few potentially significant witnesses.
But one witness that has seen it Algarve internet owner Simon Russell, 40, said it is nothing more than an 'egg with a side parting'.

Peter - I put pictures of Simon Russell on page 3 drawing the egg man from memory of sketches he had been shown. The pictures were published on the 9th, the same day he was interviewed, with a reference to him having been shown the sketches the previous Saturday, (i.e. the 5th).

by **Hobs** 16.12.14 19:50

PeterMac wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
He then added: "I'm not a crank, you know"

And Jane Tanner said " It’s just, you know, it’s just, you know, I think that’s just, yeah, it’s just. I’m not making this up "

Anything in the negative is sensitive.

Also when someone feels the need to tell you what they are not, it implies that they have been considered exactly that.

You know is used to convince and convey and all indicates awareness of the interviewer/recipient.