Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

by Joss 28.11.14 15:15

Realist wrote:
Joss wrote:
. Not unheard of actually when someone is trying to cover up a crime.

Covering up a crime, yes, but your theory appears to be that Madelaine McCann's death/disappearance was probably an accident. If it was in fact an accident, why would they feel the need to dispose of her body and concoct a phoney kidnapping story. If it happened in their presence, they could have quite morally adopted the stance that they were looking the other way at the time and if it happened in their absence, they could have equally claimed that it occurred in their presence, much less of a risk than the course they decided to adopt. After all, they couldn't possibly at the time have conceived how much symathy they would get from govs. and the media. The odds against that happening would have been longer than winning the lottery.

Even Kate McCann admits that covering up an accident would have been a nonsensical stance to adopt and she appears to have an air of confidence when expressing this opinion. In much the same way as she does when she rubbishes the theory that they buried their daughter's body so well that they felt the need to dig it up and reinter it.

No, if indeed the McCanns were in fact complicit in the death/disappearance of their daughter, it certainly wasn't an accident and as previously stated, the only logical reason for dispensing with a body in those circumstances was to avoid an autopsy. Forget the negligence aspect, that is what the McCanns and their entourage want the proletariat to believe, because without the aforementioned, there couldn't possibly have been a kidnapping, think about it.

BBM, If that was the case then the Coroner would have gone to the McC's apartment to take Madeleine for autopsy and forensic testing to finalise a cause of death report for a death certificate. If the McC's had been drugging their children so they could go out at night without them then that would of shown up on toxicology testing. If they were found by that to be drugging their kids then it would have been possible to charge them with contributing to their own child's death. And if they would have lied to the police about Maddie's death in their presence while they were in fact absent, then there would be witnesses that could give evidence that they were seen out to dinner without their children, thus evidence the children were home alone & neglected once police investigated into a potential babysitter or who was minding their children.
The McCann's aren't really known to be truthful either. And i don't think any of us know for sure if there was an accident that night or not, but blood and cadaver evidence certainly points to a death in the McCann apartment and in the boot of the hire car. Perhaps Maddie was murdered and it wasn't an accident, who knows.
I think Inspector Amaral who was first investigator on the case believed Maddie died accidentally, and he is a trained investigator, so maybe he just had a clue from his previous dealings with these things.

by Realist 28.11.14 15:54

Joss wrote:
BBM, If that was the case then the Coroner would have gone to the McC's apartment to take Madeleine for autopsy and forensic testing to finalise a cause of death report for a death certificate. If the McC's had been drugging their children so they could go out at night without them then that would of shown up on toxicology testing. If they were found by that to be drugging their kids then it would have been possible to charge them with contributing to their own child's death. And if they would have lied to the police about Maddie's death in their presence while they were in fact absent, then there would be witnesses that could give evidence that they were seen out to dinner without their children, thus evidence the children were home alone & neglected once police investigated into a potential babysitter or who was minding their children.
The McCann's aren't really known to be truthful either. And i don't think any of us know for sure if there was an accident that night or not, but blood and cadaver evidence certainly points to a death in the McCann apartment and in the boot of the hire car. Perhaps Maddie was murdered and it wasn't an accident, who knows.
I think Inspector Amaral who was first investigator on the case believed Maddie died accidentally, and he is a trained investigator, so maybe he just had a clue from his previous dealings with these things.

I very much doubt whether the portuguese authorities would have paid much heed to an accidental death, after all, they appeared to be glad to see the back of the McCanns. Portugal isn't a draconian police state like the UK, besides which, child negligence doesn't appear to encounter such tabloid hysteria in Portugal as in the UK and certainly the US.

For what its worth, I too don't believe that the McCanns intentionally murdered their daughter, but I equally don't believe it was an UNAVOIDABLE accident. I think that when Goncala Amoral referred to Madelaine accidentally dying in his book, he had libel in mind which transpired to be prophetic.

As for drug testing, why, they didn't even bother to test the remaining two, despite by all accounts being so spaced out, they didn't stir with the chaos erupting around them. If it had have been an unavoidable accident, it would have merely passed off as a tragedy with sympathy all round. For the McCanns to have adopted the gambit they did, there had to have been something far more sinister involved than an accidental death, with or without their presence.

by Joss 28.11.14 16:15

Realist wrote:
Joss wrote:
BBM, If that was the case then the Coroner would have gone to the McC's apartment to take Madeleine for autopsy and forensic testing to finalise a cause of death report for a death certificate. If the McC's had been drugging their children so they could go out at night without them then that would of shown up on toxicology testing. If they were found by that to be drugging their kids then it would have been possible to charge them with contributing to their own child's death. And if they would have lied to the police about Maddie's death in their presence while they were in fact absent, then there would be witnesses that could give evidence that they were seen out to dinner without their children, thus evidence the children were home alone & neglected once police investigated into a potential babysitter or who was minding their children.
The McCann's aren't really known to be truthful either. And i don't think any of us know for sure if there was an accident that night or not, but blood and cadaver evidence certainly points to a death in the McCann apartment and in the boot of the hire car. Perhaps Maddie was murdered and it wasn't an accident, who knows.
I think Inspector Amaral who was first investigator on the case believed Maddie died accidentally, and he is a trained investigator, so maybe he just had a clue from his previous dealings with these things.

I very much doubt whether the portuguese authorities would have paid much heed to an accidental death, after all, they appeared to be glad to see the back of the McCanns. Portugal isn't a draconian police state like the UK, besides which, child negligence doesn't appear to be such a taboo subject in Portugal as it is in the UK and certainly the US.

For what its worth, I too don't believe that the McCanns intentionally murdered their daughter, but I equally don't believe it was an UNAVOIDABLE accident. I think that when Goncala Amoral referred to Madelaine accidentally dying in his book, he had libel in mind which transpired to be prophetic.

As for drug testing, why, they didn't even bother to test the remaining two, despite by all accounts being so spaced out, they didn't stir with the chaos erupting around them. If it had have been an unavoidable accident, it would have merely passed off as a tragedy with sympathy all round. For the McCanns to have adopted the gambit they did, there had to have been something far more sinister involved than an accidental death, with or without their presence.

I think it is rather flippant to say how portugese authorities would treat the accidental death of a child. This is posted here underneath the header,
Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''
So there you have it, i don't think the portugese would take a child's accidental death or not lightly, and it is insulting to say they would IMO.
As far as testing the twins i don't know if the police were in the apartment at that time, i think they were out searching for Madeleine. But the tapas friends were there and witnessed K.Mc's concern over them, yet none of them mentioned that perhaps they should be checked out for drugging just after a little girl was found to be missing????

by Realist 29.11.14 13:57

Joss wrote:

I think it is rather flippant to say how portugese authorities would treat the accidental death of a child. This is posted here underneath the header,
Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''

The McCanns were foreign nationals and it wouldn't be unnatural for the Portuguese authorities to have paid less attention to an accidental death than had they been natives. In any event, why would they pay any particular attention to an accidental death? It wouldn't have even got a mention in the local press, never mind attained worldwide notoriety

It was the McCanns and their friends who turned the investigation into a murder/kidnapping investigation, not the Portuguese authorities. To quote one of your favourite causes, it was the prosecutor in the Casey Anthony trial who during his summation to the jury stated, 'You don't make an accident appear to be a murder.' (or words to that effect)

by Joss 30.11.14 7:08

Realist wrote:
Joss wrote:

I think it is rather flippant to say how portugese authorities would treat the accidental death of a child. This is posted here underneath the header,
Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''

The McCanns were foreign nationals and it wouldn't be unnatural for the Portuguese authorities to have paid less attention to an accidental death than had they been natives. In any event, why would they pay any particular attention to an accidental death? It wouldn't have even got a mention in the local press, never mind attained worldwide notoriety

It was the McCanns and their friends who turned the investigation into a murder/kidnapping investigation, not the Portuguese authorities. To quote one of your favourite causes, it was the prosecutor in the Casey Anthony trial who during his summation to the jury stated, 'You don't make an accident appear to be a murder.' (or words to that effect)

I don't know if the McC's being foreign nationals had much to do with anything as any foreign national that comes under investigation in a crime in a foreign country comes under the laws of that country. I think it had more to do with the U.K. Govt. higher ups running interference in the case very promptly after Madeleine was discovered missing and possibly the flurry of phone calls by the McC's.
And i am also not definitely purporting a theory of an accident, because for all i know it could have been a murder?
I mention the CA case because i think there are parallels to both cases is all. I followed a few missing child cases in the U.S. and i can't remember any other cases like these two where evidence of a dead child's body was found in the trunk of a vehicle.

by GRACEFUL1 30.11.14 8:45

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EXCLUSIVE: New quiz for Maddie witnesses

MADELEINE McCANN detectives are planning to requestion key figures who arrived on the scene shortly after the three-year-old disappeared.

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MADELEINE McCANN detectives are planning to requestion key figures who arrived on the scene shortly after the three-year-old disappeared.

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Detectives have key questions for witnesses to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
The Scotland Yard officers have analysed minutely events which happened just before, during and immediately after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007 and appear to be seeking new information and clarification from important witnesses.

Among those scheduled for requestioning is Silvia Batista, who ran the service and maintenance departments of the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on the Algarve where the McCanns were staying.

Shortly after the alarm was raised, Mrs Batista was contacted at her home in nearby Lagos and immediately went back to work.

When she arrived at a reception area she saw Madeleine's father Gerry on his knees on the floor crying out for help and banging his hands on the floor.

A few minutues later she entered the bedroom at apartment 5a and said that the shutters were down, the windows closed and the curtains slightly open.

Kate McCann has said that when she arrived to find Madeleine gone, the shutters were partly open in the bedroom, leading her to believe that Madeleine had been taken through the window.

In her statement Mrs Batista said Gerry told her he had closed the windows as their other two children, Sean and Amelie, then 18 months, were still asleep in separate cots in the bedroom.

Mrs Batista, a former receptionist at the Ocean Club, worked closely with her husband Joao, who was head of maintenance and services.

In the past year both were made redundant because of falling bookings at the Ocean Club, which have been blamed on the recession and publicity surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.

Another facing requestioning is John Hill, manager of the Ocean Club.

When he arrived at the club after receiving a call at 10.28pm from a colleague, some 100 people were already searching for Madeleine.

He also spoke with Kate and Gerry that night in their apartment and helped arrange for photos of the child to be distributed.

Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.

saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other. He was embarrassed. He was nervous.
Mario Fernando's witness remarks

Donna Hill is likely to be requestioned early in the New Year.

Scotland Yard detectives are also interested in claims that a set of keys to apartment 5a, kept in the maintenance section, went missing in the week that Madeleine vanished, first revealed by the Sunday Express last February when we reported that a former maintenance worker said the disappearance of the keys had not been reported to the authorities.

Detectives also want their Portuguese counterparts to interview Mario Fernando, 47, who came forward last May to say he saw a suspicious man wearing sun glasses in a stairwell looking at apartment 5a 24 hours before Madeleine disappeared. The former Ocean Club laundryman was collecting sheets when he saw the man: "I saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other.

"He was embarrassed. He was nervous. He was walking out from the hole under the stairs and must have been much further inside but had taken several steps back after hearing me coming.

"He had a really fat face and had two-tone sunglasses on."

Last week it was revealed that Robert Murat was one of those on the Yard's list of people it wants more information from.

Mr Murat told the Sunday Express he would be happy to cooperate but has not received anything official yet from the authorities.

Portuguese police have to conduct the interviews but Scotland Yard officers can sit in during questioning. Some interviews were due to be held last week but they now look likely to be held in the New Year.

Former Scotland Yard murder detective Peter Bleksley said that this next stage of the investigation was a "logical progression" for the police.

"I would think that they have been concentrating on the timeline in the review period and they have may have come across some inconsistencies which they want to look into," he said. "That would be my thinking on this.

"They will want to know who was where, who saw what and at what time and try to work through the inconsistencies while at the same time seeking new information.

"Going back to square one will have formed a big part of the original review which has now moved into the investigative stage. It is a logical progression."

by Mr Peabody 30.11.14 9:24

Are we now getting to the point where there is nobody left but the T9? By interviewing SB & JH this surely brings us closer however the missing keys could be the avenue they wish to pursue (it could then take us back to the burglars who don't steal anything other than dead children).imo.

by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 9:30

So we now have ANOTHER printer, another memory stick, another person taking the tennis balls picture
We now have HILL arranging for the printing of the photos, not ROB and Tierney using her own printer
we have the tennis balls photo available on 3-4/5/7, but not released until 6/5/7 by the Press Association
We have shutters DOWN, windows closed, curtains half closed

by Mr Peabody 30.11.14 9:39

PeterMac wrote:So we now have ANOTHER printer, another memory stick, another person taking the tennis balls picture
We now have HILL arranging for the printing of the photos, not ROB and Tierney using her own printer
we have the tennis balls photo available on 3-4/5/7, but not released until 6/5/7 by the Press Association
We have shutters DOWN, windows closed, curtains half closed

The article doesn't say that the tennis ball photo was available it just states it was JT that took it. Can't read too much into this report, perhaps who they are going to interview is the only possible accurate part. imo

by **Tony Bennett** 30.11.14 9:44

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Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.

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Oh dear!!

page 57, 'madeleine', by Dr Kate McCann - An account of what happened:

TUESDAY 1 MAY

"During Gerry's tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session...she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion...

by Mr Peabody 30.11.14 9:56

Tony Bennett wrote:
GRACEFUL1 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.

[REST OF ARTICLE SNIPPED]
Oh dear!!

page 57, 'madeleine', by Dr Kate McCann - An account of what happened:

TUESDAY 1 MAY

"During Gerry's tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session...she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion...

Tony, does she in the book claim that the 'famous' tennis photo is hers or is she just stating that she went to get her camera (and maybe did get a photo but not the published one)

by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 10:24

AND
It is always assumed that the tennis lessons and mini tennis etc were on the two courts by the children's pool by the Tapas bar, whereas we have testimony from someone who has been visiting the resort for years that on the contrary, these activities were on the THREE adjacent courts 200m to the East of the Main reception.

And consider.
You have booked a high level tennis lesson with a professional, at 28 Euros an hour, and suddenly a group of tiny children with their minders come on to the next court and start mucking around, with balls rolling under your feet, and the children chasing them as you are trying to serve . . .
I think you might not be pleased. Quite apart from the Health and Safety aspects of whacking someone else's child in the ear with a 98 mph serve, or tripping over one as it ran onto your court
Yet again, it makes little sense.

by sallypelt 30.11.14 10:26

Mr Peabody wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
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Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.

[REST OF ARTICLE SNIPPED]
Oh dear!!

page 57, 'madeleine', by Dr Kate McCann - An account of what happened:

TUESDAY 1 MAY

"During Gerry's tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session...she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion...
Tony, does she in the book claim that the 'famous' tennis photo is hers or is she just stating that she went to get her camera (and maybe did get a photo but not the published one)

So, Kate tells us that the tennis photograph was taken on 1 May 2007, yet the one by the pool, taken on 3 May, was "the last photograph"

NAH!!!!

by Guest 30.11.14 10:40

Mr Peabody wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
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Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.

[REST OF ARTICLE SNIPPED]
Oh dear!!

page 57, 'madeleine', by Dr Kate McCann - An account of what happened:

TUESDAY 1 MAY

"During Gerry's tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session...she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion...
Tony, does she in the book claim that the 'famous' tennis photo is hers or is she just stating that she went to get her camera (and maybe did get a photo but not the published one

‘During Gerry’s tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session. Jane and I stayed to watch them. It chokes me remembering how my heart soared with pride in Madeleine that morning. She was so happy and obviously enjoying herself. Standing there listening intently to Cat’s instructions, she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion. One of my photographs is known around the world now: a smiling Madeleine clutching armfuls of tennis balls. At the end of their session, the children had been asked to run around the court and pick up as many balls as they could. Madeleine had done really well and was very pleased with herself. Gerry loves that picture.’

by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 10:40

Tuesday 1/5/7
"On Tuesday 1 May, after my tennis lesson, two maintenance workers came to have a look at our washing machine, which I couldn’t get to operate. Gerry had also managed to break the window shutter mechanism in our bedroom shortly after we’d arrived, in spite of the sign asking guests to be gentle with it. What can I say? It’s the Gerry touch . . . The two men looked at the washing machine first. Once they’d established that the problem was something simple – not quite as simple as me not having pressed the ‘on’ button, but not much more complicated than that – I went to meet Gerry, whose lesson had started at ten-fifteen, leaving them to fix the shutter.
During Gerry’s tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session. Jane and I stayed to watch them. It chokes me remembering how my heart soared with pride in Madeleine that morning. She was so happy and obviously enjoying herself. Standing there listening intently to Cat’s instructions, she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion. One of my photographs is known around the world now: a smiling Madeleine clutching armfuls of tennis balls. At the end of their session, the children had been asked to run around the court and pick up as many balls as they could. Madeleine had done really well and was very pleased with herself. Gerry loves that picture."

And the activity sheet for Lobsters - Madeleine's group
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Mini tennis - wherever it was - was scheduled for MONDAY 30th
OOOPS ! !

by Guest 30.11.14 10:50

Kate says, One of my photographs... Where are the others of MBM she claims were taken at this time, where are photographs of the other children running around the court with MBM?

I question the veracity of the tennis photo.

by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 11:01

Ladyinred wrote:Kate says, One of my photographs... Where are the others of MBM she claims were taken at this time, where are photographs of the other children running around the court with MBM?
I question the veracity of the tennis photo.

ET TU MULIER IN RUBRUM !
Where are the photos of her dear husband playing tennis at the same time, where are the photos of husband and Madeleine on the court at the same time, where are the photos of almost anything that 'normal" people would take on a camera capable of taking and storing thousands of images ?

by **Tony Bennett** 30.11.14 11:04

Ladyinred wrote:Kate says, One of my photographs... Where are the others of MBM she claims were taken at this time, where are photographs of the other children running around the court with MBM?

I question the veracity of the tennis photo.

Very good points made this morning on this thread.

We have spent ages analysing the 'Last Photo' which, in the light of all we know, appears to be a genuine photo - not photoshopped - taken in the noonday sun on Sunday 29 April or Monday 30 April, but not on 3 May.

As Ladyinred suggests, far more time and effort should be invested in an analysis of the 'Tennis Balls Photo'.

PeterMac's excellent observations on the likelihood of 3-year old children playing 'mini-tennis' with fast-moving tennis balls flying about at up to 100mph or more on the adjacent court should go into the mix.

In fact, do we have a thread on 'The Tennis Balls Photo'?

I think the PJ should have rounded up their 48 questions to Kate to 50 by asking:

No. 49. How many photos did you take on your camera that week in Praia da Luz? -

and -

No. 50. Where are they?

by sallypelt 30.11.14 11:06

I did the highlighting to this statement a while back, but never got around to posting it on the Forum. I paid particular notice where SB states that Gerry and others "insisted" that Madeleine had been "abducted".

Witness statement of Silvia Maria Correia Ramos Batista 2007.07.26
Date: 26 July 2007; Time: 16h00; Place: DIC Portimao
Officer: Paulo F., Inspector
To the matter at hand she said:
--- Already having given declarations in this case several times recalling the content of what she
had stated previously, reproducing [repeating] them all unchanged for this document.
--- The deponent appears again given that in the time since Madeleine disappeared she [S.B.] has
remembered some details of witnessed facts/events that she considers may, in some way, be of
interest to the investigation.
--- As already stated she was alerted to disappearance of Madeleine between 22h30 and 23h00.
She was at home and was informed of what happened by telephone. She went immediately to the
Ocean Club where she arrived a few minutes before the GNR officers arrived there. When she
arrived at the resort she went immediately to apartment 5A where she found several people as
much/many inside the apartment as outside it. Still she entered the apartment but left straight away
without having spoken with anyone who was there, since at the same time she was told that GNR
officers were at the main reception and she went to find them.
--- When she arrived at the officer's location she saw that behind them was Gerry, Madeleine's
father, with another person but she does not remember who it was. At that time Gerry was on the
ground on his knees, he hit the ground with both his hands, looking like an Arab at prayer, and
emitted two screams of rage [fury, madness] but she could not understand what he said. Then
Gerry stood up and accompanied the deponent and the other person to the GNR vehicle next to
the 5A apartment.
--- Once inside the apartment she asked those present for the passports of all members of their
families, as well as photographs of the missing girl. The deponent accompanied Gerry to the GNR
vehicle in order to deliver the requested documents. She states that she did this work, as well as
other work, at the request of the GNR Commander because they used her knowledge of English to
translate questions put to members of the family of the missing girl, as well as the answers that
were given. She recalls Gerry delivered several photographs of the missing girl to the GNR
Commander. The photos were postcard-style, they having that dimension and format. In truth they
were photographs of the dimension and format [size] of a postcard, and they all looked
the same to her.
--- She was aware that from the first moment either Gerry or the others insisted in affirming that
Madeleine had been abducted always using the word "abducted" instead of disappeared, and all
showed great interest that the press were informed of the situation.
--- The deponent recalls further that she entered the bedroom where Madeleine had been
sleeping. Remembering it now that the door was closed. The interior of the room was dark. The
external blinds were down, light entering [the room] only through the holes in them. The windows
were shut and the curtains were slightly open. Gerry accompanied her on this visit, also with GNR
officers and he said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still
sleeping there, which the deponent noticed to be true. Gerry stated that when he he was told about
Madeleine's disappearance he had found there the window and the blinds open, and the curtains
fluttering [as in the wind]. The deponent recalls that there were beds in the middle of the room and
that those being used by the babies were aligned [with each other] and therefore she thought it
strange that someone had taken Madeleine from the bed where she had been sleeping as far as to
the window because from that layout [of the beds] there had been no space to get past. The
deponent opened the wardrobes in the bedroom in order to check if possibly Madeleine wasn't
hidden in there. Then everyone left the bedroom someone having returned to close the door. The
deponent then spent some time in the room [lounge], with the GNR officers, Gerry and other
members of the group there who were in a large whirl, who came in, left and spoke on the mobile
phone. She noticed that none of the group, including the child's parents, were occupied with the
search. The mother was seated on the bed in the couple's bedroom, the father accompanied her
and the police officers and the other members of the group entered, left and spoke on the phone,
appearing to her to be preoccupied with informing the press about what had happened.
--- She thought that the child's mother was dejected [downcast; depressed; discouraged], the
father was preoccupied [worried] and also asked whether the with only the mattresses [in them].
--- The deponent wanted also to state that around 03h00 Madeleine's parents asked [about] the
presence of a priest in the area. They didn't explain their reason for wanting a priest but the
deponent found it strange since there was no indication that the child was dead and it is usual only
in those circumstances that one would ask for a priest.

I

Here she’s talking about Jane Tanner’s sighting?

At a certain point the deponent translated a statement from one of the ladies of the English
group, the lady she indicated as being dark-skinned. This lady said to the police officers, and the
deponent translated, that she had seen a man walking [passing] in the street, possibly with a child
in his arms. The deponent thought this strange because she was convinced that when she had
seen the man the lady was positioned in an area that had no line of sight to the area where she
would have seen the man. She doesn't know exactly where the lady was positioned when she saw
the man pass, but she knows that she indicated having seen him passing in the road that was in
front of the bedroom window where Madeleine had been, walking in the direction of the road of the
road that then goes to the Baptista supermarket.
--- Questioned as to the clothing the members of the English group had worn that night she states
that she only recalls that Fiona wore a green blouse, that Gerry wore a dark shirt and that Fiona's
husband wore plain trousers, cream, she thinks.

Nothing more said. Read, ratifies and is going to sign.

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by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 11:15

Tony Bennett wrote: SNIPPED
As Ladyinred suggests, far more time and effort should be invested in an analysis of the 'Tennis Balls Photo'.
I think the PJ should have rounded up their 48 questions to Kate to 50 by asking:
No. 49. How many photos did you take on your camera that week in Praia da Luz? -
and -
No. 50. Where are they?

(Perhaps it should be renamed Tennis Photo Balls.)
No 51 How may photos did you take on the OTHER camera
No 52 Where are they ?

by **Tony Bennett** 30.11.14 11:24

PeterMac wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote: SNIPPED
As Ladyinred suggests, far more time and effort should be invested in an analysis of the 'Tennis Balls Photo'.
I think the PJ should have rounded up their 48 questions to Kate to 50 by asking:
No. 49. How many photos did you take on your camera that week in Praia da Luz? -
and -
No. 50. Where are they?

(Perhaps it should be renamed Tennis Photo Balls.)
No 51 How may photos did you take on the OTHER camera
No 52 Where are they ?

What about...

No. 53. That camera that arrived at the home of a Hampshire Police Officer late on Tuesday 8 May - who did you give that one to?

by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 11:50

The tennis balls photo was not on the Olympus, sent to Hampshire
ERGO it must have been on the Canon PowerShot A 620
It was released via the PA on 6/5/7
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IF they were sending photos to the PA by 5/5/7, why did they hold back the Last Photo until 23/5/7 ?
Could it be that they were in the "wrong order"
Last Photo first (29/4/7) followed by Tennis Balls (1/5/7 or 2/5/7)
but they realised they had to perform some surgery on the EXIF for the Last Photo,
Just a thought.

by plebgate 30.11.14 12:40

Why would the police be interested in a set of missing keys? No keys would have been needed to access the apartment (apparently).

Interesting to read in this newspaper report that the police are now looking, page by page, at ALL statements and looking at any inconsistencies that arise in them.

Thanks for posting Graceful1. Nice to see you posting again. smilie

by aiyoyo 30.11.14 12:42

PeterMac wrote:The tennis balls photo was not on the Olympus, sent to Hampshire
ERGO it must have been on the Canon PowerShot A 620
It was released via the PA on 6/5/7
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IF they were sending photos to the PA by 5/5/7, why did they hold back the Last Photo until 23/5/7 ?
Could it be that they were in the "wrong order"
Last Photo first (29/4/7) followed by Tennis Balls (1/5/7 or 2/5/7)
but they realised they had to perform some surgery on the EXIF for the Last Photo,
Just a thought.

Likely they did not moot the idea of creating last photo until post those photos release.
Also, likely that person with a pink hue sold them that idea perhaps. After all he was hired to manage their image.
Gerry met with him on that trip and went back with him to PDL.
I suspect some ideas were given to Gerry.
It's the first thing he did for them....start of his PR campaign for them, to control what comes out of the press to whitewash the Mcs.

by canada12 30.11.14 12:49

Lots of tennis-y photos in this collection sent over to the PJ by the Tapas group...

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From #68 onwards
They seem to be adults only, with the children watching through the wire fence.
However it does prove that someone was there at the tennis courts with a camera.

by canada12 30.11.14 13:05

This photo was apparently taken at some point close to the PDL holiday...

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And here is the Tennis Balls photo:
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I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting this can't possibly be the same child, based on the body shape alone. And even allowing for hunched shoulders.

by **Tony Bennett** 30.11.14 13:05

canada12 wrote:Lots of tennis-y photos in this collection sent over to the PJ by the Tapas group...

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From #68 onwards
They seem to be adults only, with the children watching through the wire fence.
However it does prove that someone was there at the tennis courts with a camera.

According to page 57 of 'madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann, the photo was taken during 'Gerry's tennis lesson', which began at 10.15am Tuesday and probably went on for the next hour - i.e. 10.15am to 11.15am.

Looking at the 'Tennis Balls Photo', I see no shadows - and it looks like it must have been taken at a time when the weather was cloudy and somewhat overcast.

I think PeterMac has access to a local weather expert who keeps a daily weather diary.

Maybe he will be able to confirm that the weather was cloudy between 10.15am and 11.15am Tuesday morning?

by jeanmonroe 30.11.14 13:10

SB:

questioned as to the clothing the members of the English group had worn that night she states
that she only recalls that Fiona wore a green blouse, that Gerry wore a dark shirt and that Fiona's
husband wore plain trousers, cream, she thinks.

Nothing more said. Read, ratifies and is going to sign.
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So, DP now in 'burglator' coloured 'trousers'?

Crecheman, Tannerman, Smithman and now......... PAYNEman!

thinking

Not forgetting that PAYNEman 'considers' there ARE a 'few things' he KNOWS are 'pertinent and relevent' to ESTABLISH 'the material TRUTH' about the 'disappearance' of a three years old child.

But after 7 years he still hadn't told anybody, police included, these 'few things'!

OR........has he? winkwink

by **PeterMac** 30.11.14 13:41

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Cloud cover is the grey bars at the top.
It is also 17ºC which is fairly cold,
And there is a brisk SW wind

by comperedna 30.11.14 14:06

canada... the child definitely looks like the same child to me, and at the same age. Her shoulders are hunched in the tennis balls photo because she is hugging the tennis balls to her.

Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted