Re: Let's Not Forget Brenda

by Liz Eagles 18.12.14 11:08

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Am hoping that beyond everything else, that today brings an unambiguous outcome for Brenda.

There is no outcome for Brenda Leyland today. The inquest according to Sonia Poulton's tweet is scheduled for 20th March 2015.

by **PeterMac** 18.12.14 11:08

For details of how this works in England, for our overseas readers, see
http://www.coronerscourtssupportservice.org.uk/faq

Who decides which witnesses to call?
The Coroner decides who should be called to give evidence as a witness, and the order in which they give evidence, but the Coroner will listen to representations made to him by "properly interested persons" as to who should be called. Anyone who believes they may be of help or believes a particular witness should be called should inform the Coroner. The test is whether the witness is likely to provide evidence that is relevant to the matters that the Coroner has to investigate. The Coroner will decide whether the evidence is relevant to the investigation of the death.

Must a witness attend court? Witness summonses and contempt of court
If a witness lives in England and Wales and has evidence that the Coroner regards as relevant and important to help in establishing the facts of the death, he/she can be required to attend Court. A witness will usually be asked to attend the inquest voluntarily, but if they do not agree and their evidence is crucial, the Coroner may issue a witness summons to compel their attendance. If the witness then does not attend he/she may be arrested, brought before the Coroner and charged with contempt of Court. This is an offence that is punishable with a fine or a term of imprisonment.

Who can ask witnesses questions?
Witnesses will be first questioned by the Coroner and then by any properly interested person or their legal representative. Whether a question is relevant to the purpose of the inquest is something the Coroner decides. Where relevant, the Coroner will warn a witness that he or she is not obliged to answer any question which might incriminate him/herself.

Who is a properly interested person?
The categories of properly interested persons are set out in the Coroners Rules 1984 (as amended). They include: - a parent, spouse, child, civil partner or partner and any personal representative of the deceased; - any beneficiary of a life insurance policy on the deceased; - any insurer having issued such a policy; - a representative from a Trade Union to whom the deceased belonged at the time of death (if the death arose in connection with the person's employment or was due to industrial disease); - anyone whose action or failure to act may, in the Coroner's view, have contributed to the death;- the Chief Officer of Police (who may only ask witnesses questions through a lawyer);- any person appointed as an inspector or a representative of an enforcing authority or a person appointed by a Government Department to attend the inquest; or - anyone else who the Coroner may decide also has a proper interest. The Coroner decides who will be given properly interested person status.

Anyone who believes they may be of help or believes a particular witness should be called should inform the Coroner.

So if anyone has information about the Dossier of Death, or knowledge of who produced it, or of who handed it over to the Police
(Ooooops, BHH has already told us that the family handed it over . . .)
or of whose heroic ankles were seen on the film, or whose trademark turquoise sweater, or bangle on right wrist, or hair flick, or accent so distinctive it had to be dubbed, or who would refer to
“WE are talking about materials which are libellous, completely untrue.
WE were getting nowhere by reporting it to the sites
WE were finding people going on line . . .”
might lead HM Coroner to identify this person
They should contact her with the information.

Including any Pro Child-Neglectors and McCann supporters, of course.

by **PeterMac** 18.12.14 11:18

aquila wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Am hoping that beyond everything else, that today brings an unambiguous outcome for Brenda.
There is no outcome for Brenda Leyland today. The inquest according to Sonia Poulton's tweet is scheduled for 20th March 2015.

Which gives her Officer another three months to collect and collate evidence.
And another three months for people to sort out the filth from the Pro-McCanns, collate it and submit in a proper fashion.
Even if she does not use it, it will be in the archive, and yet another set of people will know know the extent of the depravity involved.
The date will also be AFTER the result of the damages hearing in Lisbon, and if the result is as normal people expect, the last vestige of "moral high ground" will have been eroded.

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by Liz Eagles 18.12.14 11:19

@PeterMac,

I've snipped this from your above post. The underlining is my own

Must a witness attend court? Witness summonses and contempt of court
If a witness lives in England and Wales and has evidence that the Coroner regards as relevant and important to help in establishing the facts of the death, he/she can be required to attend Court.

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It's interesting the person with the 'cankles' was viewed in Scotland. Can that person be summoned and forced to attend a Coroner's Court in England as a witness?

by Liz Eagles 18.12.14 11:21

PeterMac wrote:
aquila wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Am hoping that beyond everything else, that today brings an unambiguous outcome for Brenda.
There is no outcome for Brenda Leyland today. The inquest according to Sonia Poulton's tweet is scheduled for 20th March 2015.

Which gives her Officer another three months to collect and collate evidence.
And another three months for people to sort out the filth from the Pro-McCanns, collate it and submit in a proper fashion.
Even if she does not use it, it will be in the archive, and yet another set of people will know know the extent of the depravity involved.
The date will also be AFTER the result of the damages hearing in Lisbon, and if the result is as normal people expect, the last vestige of "moral high ground" will have been eroded.

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So it's all hinging on March then!...interesting times.

ETA: I will eat my hat if there is a final outcome in March on the Lisbon Trial.

by aiyoyo 18.12.14 11:36

PeterMac wrote:The Brunt Confrontation of Death was rolling news for a whole day.
Anyone seen a single mention of the Inquest's opening today ?
No I thought not.

ETA
on the #mccann twitter, there are comments that not one shill or troll has posted this morning.
Have the McCanns and Mitchell imposed a Super-inaudible ?

All told to lie low or go out of town.
It's not simply coincidence they all happen to be super quiet when Inquest is ongoing. If anything, it's a clear sign the pro-McCanns trolls are associated to a "principal". This principal controlling agent needs to be outed.

by Rogue-a-Tory 18.12.14 11:56

aquila wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Am hoping that beyond everything else, that today brings an unambiguous outcome for Brenda.
There is no outcome for Brenda Leyland today. The inquest according to Sonia Poulton's tweet is scheduled for 20th March 2015.

Thanks

by jeanmonroe 18.12.14 11:57

So, NO 'inquest' until AFTER libel 'case' erm, 'verdict'?

Hmmmm.

THAT'S 'convenient' isn't it?

Should they 'win' the libel claim 'case', which they shouldn't, we'll hear nothing about BL's 'inquest'

Should they 'lose' the libel claim 'case', which they should, all we'll hear is 'it was tthat 'troll's' FAULT, 'turning' people against us, by not believing, unquestionably, our 'version' of events'

imo, obviously.

by aiyoyo 18.12.14 12:02

PeterMac wrote:
aquila wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Am hoping that beyond everything else, that today brings an unambiguous outcome for Brenda.
There is no outcome for Brenda Leyland today. The inquest according to Sonia Poulton's tweet is scheduled for 20th March 2015.

Which gives her Officer another three months to collect and collate evidence.
And another three months for people to sort out the filth from the Pro-McCanns, collate it and submit in a proper fashion.
Even if she does not use it, it will be in the archive, and yet another set of people will know know the extent of the depravity involved.
The date will also be AFTER the result of the damages hearing in Lisbon, and if the result is as normal people expect, the last vestige of "moral high ground" will have been eroded.

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Funny that. I was just thinking the date will be after the verdict of the damages trial.

By then, their "moral high ground" can't be used as tool anymore, it won't wash.
The press are free to report court proceedings without fear of CR, and all their lies and malice against Dr Amaral will get repeated airing.

And, if they don't come up squeaky clean in the BL Inquest....?

by aiyoyo 18.12.14 12:10

aquila wrote:So it's all hinging on March then!...interesting times.

ETA: I will eat my hat if there is a final outcome in March on the Lisbon Trial.

Bearing unforeseen circumstance, I think results might even be out in Feb.
If the Judge reading of the "facts" is in January, I believe the verdict has to be produced 30 days thereabout after that.

by jeanmonroe 18.12.14 12:17

Yet ANOTHER 'coincidence'?

All these MANY 'coincidences' ALWAYS 'CHIME', rather nicely, with ANY McCann 'event', don't they?

thinking

Nah! I'm being 'stoopid'!

It's ALL just pure 'LUCK'

I'm just surprised the McCann's don't appear to have 'won' a multi-million 'jackpot' on the Euro lottery! winkwink

There's still time, though, isn't there, for THAT to 'happen', BEFORE the libel claim 'case' verdict?

by aiyoyo 18.12.14 12:42

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-30532027
[size=32]McCann 'Twitter troll' Brenda Leyland inquest to hear from Sky News[/size]
Brenda Leyland was said to use the handle @sweepyface on Twitter
Continue reading the main story
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The inquest into the death of a woman accused of "trolling" the McCanns will hear evidence from two Sky journalists.
Brenda Leyland, from Leicestershire, was found dead in a hotel days after she was confronted over tweets about the family of Madeleine McCann.
A pre-inquest review was told it will hear evidence from a toxicology expert, police and the Sky News journalists.
The coroner said no criminal action was planned against any witnesses and adjourned the hearing until March.
Mrs Leyland, from Burton Overy, was confronted in October by Martin Brunt from Sky News over her use of Twitter.
Gerry McCann, with his wife Kate, previously told the BBC more needs to be done about online abuse
He questioned her about hate-filled messages about the McCanns on the social networking site.
The 63-year-old was found dead in a hotel several days later.
Mr Brunt, the crime correspondent, and Sky's head of newsgathering Jonathan Levy will both give evidence at her inquest.
Leicester Coroner Catherine Mason said: "I understand from my officers that, of all the witnesses who I have said that I will call to give oral evidence, there is nobody to which there is any foreseeability of any criminal action being taken."
Sky News's legal team attended the short hearing in Leicester, which was adjourned for the full inquest on 20 March.
The inquest will also hear written evidence from one of Mrs Leyland's sons and a pathologist.
Madeleine went missing while the Leicestershire family were on holiday in Portugal in 2007.

Shameful, media still refers to her as McCann troll.

Two sky journalists will be heard as witnesses.
No mention of sky camera man to be called witness. Was MB alone with her when he went into her house?
No mention of dossier compiler, nor of the person who orchestrated a hate campaign against McCanns skeptics.

by Joss 18.12.14 12:57

Ben Leyland, Martin Brunt & Jonathan Levy (director of news gathering at Sky) all called to give evidence 20/3/15 #sweepyface #mccann

by Joss 18.12.14 13:06

Brenda Leyland inquest: Sky News reporter to give evidence about 'McCann Twitter troll'

Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Brenda-Leyland-inquest-Sky-News-reporter-director/story-25733829-detail/story.html#ixzz3MFpPVVVA
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The TV reporter who confronted a woman believed to have sent more than 4,000 abusive tweets about the parents of missing youngster Madeleine McCann is to give evidence at her inquest.
Martin Brunt, crime correspondent at Sky News, is to be called as a witness at the inquest into the death of Brenda Katheryn Gabrielle Leyland, of Burton Overy, who was found dead in a room at the Leicester Marriott Hotel in Enderby on October 4.
Mr Brunt questioned Ms Leyland, 63, at her home on Thursday October 2.
At a pre-inquest review at Leicester town hall today coroner Catherine Mason said that Mr Brunt and Jonathan Levy, director of news gathering operations at Sky News, would be called to give evidence.

by Joss 18.12.14 13:08

aiyoyo wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-30532027
[size=32]McCann 'Twitter troll' Brenda Leyland inquest to hear from Sky News[/size]
Brenda Leyland was said to use the handle @sweepyface on Twitter
Continue reading the main story

Related Stories

McCann 'Twitter troll' inquest opens
McCann 'Twitter troll' found dead
McCann 'Twitter troll' found deadWatch

The inquest into the death of a woman accused of "trolling" the McCanns will hear evidence from two Sky journalists.
Brenda Leyland, from Leicestershire, was found dead in a hotel days after she was confronted over tweets about the family of Madeleine McCann.
A pre-inquest review was told it will hear evidence from a toxicology expert, police and the Sky News journalists.
The coroner said no criminal action was planned against any witnesses and adjourned the hearing until March.
Mrs Leyland, from Burton Overy, was confronted in October by Martin Brunt from Sky News over her use of Twitter.
Gerry McCann, with his wife Kate, previously told the BBC more needs to be done about online abuse
He questioned her about hate-filled messages about the McCanns on the social networking site.
The 63-year-old was found dead in a hotel several days later.
Mr Brunt, the crime correspondent, and Sky's head of newsgathering Jonathan Levy will both give evidence at her inquest.
Leicester Coroner Catherine Mason said: "I understand from my officers that, of all the witnesses who I have said that I will call to give oral evidence, there is nobody to which there is any foreseeability of any criminal action being taken."
Sky News's legal team attended the short hearing in Leicester, which was adjourned for the full inquest on 20 March.
The inquest will also hear written evidence from one of Mrs Leyland's sons and a pathologist.
Madeleine went missing while the Leicestershire family were on holiday in Portugal in 2007.

Shameful, media still refers to her as McCann troll.

Two sky journalists will be heard as witnesses.
No mention of sky camera man to be called witness. Was MB alone with her when he went into her house?
No mention of dossier compiler, nor of the person who orchestrated a hate campaign against McCanns skeptics.

That could perhaps change as it is now being carried through to March 2015. And yes the McC troll BS is despicable.

by tiny 18.12.14 13:12

What does this mean.

there is nobody to which there is any foreseeability of any criminal action being taken."

by Joss 18.12.14 13:13

tiny wrote:What does this mean.

there is nobody to which there is any foreseeability of any criminal action being taken."

Not sure as they haven't really heard any evidence at an inquest yet have they?

by Guest 18.12.14 13:16

The police investigation is completed.

by tiny 18.12.14 13:19

Dee Coy wrote:The police investigation is completed.

do you mean that brunt will not be charged with anything

by jeanmonroe 18.12.14 13:23

Sorry for not 'replying'

"Mrs Leyland, from Burton Overy, was confronted in October by Martin Brunt from Sky News over her use of Twitter"
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I was just sending my prospective 'tweets' to the SELF APPOINTED ~~TWATFINER~~ 'TWITFINDER' GENERAL, Martin B, to make sure they didn't contravene, HIS twitter 'regulations'

He's got some FRUNT, that BRUNT KUNT, don't he?

People's 'use' of Twitter, to be 'sanctioned' by HIM, first!

Oh, pleaseeeeee!

eta: What a 'pity' MB wasn't so 'keen' to 'confront' ardent McCANN SUPPORTER, Cindy Martin, about her 'vile, disgusting, tweets' TO Brenda, BEFORE her death, isn't it?

I wonder WHY he did NOT DARE 'confront' Cindy Martin, McCANN SUPPORTER as he is the self styled 'twit finder' general?

It was 'lovely' weather, in Hawaii, in October, 2014!

Missed a 'trick' there, 'TWATFINDER GENERAL' BRUNT!'!

by Joss 18.12.14 13:33

Written statement from her son who coroner said BL had contacted before her death http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/dec/18/sky-news-journalists-give-evidence-inquest-alleged-internet-troll … #mccann

by **PeterMac** 18.12.14 13:37

aquila wrote:It's interesting the person with the 'cankles' was viewed in Scotland. Can that person be summoned and forced to attend a Coroner's Court in England as a witness?

I think not 'forced', though could be invited.
And other close family members with the relevant knowledge could of course be summoned to appear.
But the Coroner could read out in open court any document she might have received adverting to the identity of the owner of the Heroic ankles,
and link it with other evidence she might have received.
A Coroner's court is inquisitorial, not adversarial

by tiny 18.12.14 13:38

Its a fcuk shame theses so called journo,s didn't do there homework first,scum of the earth the whole fcuking lot of them.

RIP,BRENDA LEYLAND

by Bishop Brennan 18.12.14 13:41

tiny wrote:What does this mean.

there is nobody to which there is any foreseeability of any criminal action being taken."

It means that the police have completed their investigation and as far as they are concerned nobody has committed a criminal act. This means that they are satisfied that Brenda did in fact kill herself and was not murdered or coerced into it by someone else. The fact that Sky News hounded her in her own house, possibly told her that legal action (libel suit) was likely, and then featured her relentlessly on TV in an massively inaccurate way is not deemed as criminal.

Of course only Brunt knows what he said that day, and you can be sure we will hear only a very edited version. He knows that while criminal charges are unlikely, a civil case is still very much a possibility (it's why Sky's legal counsel wants to see all the evidence before the inquest). Certainly Brunt is now disgraced as a man and as a reporter, his reputation will never recover, and people will never forget.

But criminal action? As the coroner said - hard to foresee any possibility of that.

by Joss 18.12.14 13:49

Opening of Inquest into death of Brenda Leyland

Leicester Coroner’s Court

18 Dec 2014

Senior Coroner: Mrs Mason

For Sky: Counsel, Claire Dobbin (sp?)

Leicester Police: Sgt Taylor, Det Sgt Hutchins

Various press.

Sonia Poulton and ‘minder’.

Leyland family not present.

The coroner set out who will appear at the inquest.
Scope of inquest is essentially to establish who died, how, when and where. It is not about establishing fault or blame.

However, there is room to establish within the how, why Brenda died.

Although, at this stage, she did not envisage criminal proceedings, this may change on the day of the inquest.

There will be no jury, she will sit alone.

The police have completed their enquiries and all witness statements have been received.

There has been no disclosure of evidence to date to interested parties.

She does not require to hear the sons and will rely on the statement given to police by Ben Leyland.
Witnesses and evidence to be heard:

Dr West – pathologist (statement only)

Dr Smith – toxicologist (oral evidence)

Dr Zakrzewski – not Brenda’s GP, but had knowledge of her

Jonathan Levy – Sky (producer?)

Martin Brunt – Sky reporter

Ben Leyland – evidence only

Sgt Taylor – Leics Police

Det Sgt Hutchins – Leics Police

Expected duration of inquest – one day

Date – Friday 20 March

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic24240.html#p318012

by Joss 18.12.14 13:52

All witness statements will be disclosed to Sky’s counsel, though they must sign a disclaimer that the evidence will not be published ahead of the inquest.

The coroner placed Ben Leyland after Martin Brunt because his evidence relates to the period after Brunt approached his mother.

More info to follow. Sky are obviously seriously concerned.

by Jamming 18.12.14 13:52

Pretty much all of the reporting I have seen about the hearing today has been, sadly and predictably, singing the same old tune.... "internet troll", "1000's of messages attacking the McCanns", "4000+ hate messages at the McCanns" and so on...

Yet not one, that I have seen, has highlighted the alarming frequency with which the report by that coward of a "man" Brunt was broadcast, nor the scandalous amount of times the hounding of Brenda was scrolled across the SSN banners etc, perhaps forcing her into hiding and whatever ensued over those next hours

Sadly, to the masses, that'll be the crux of the story, no doubt to be followed by something along the lines of "poor Brenda couldn't live with the shame of her actions". Nothing to do with not being able to cope with the onslaught brought directly on her by Brunt & SSN & the obvious others of course...

by tiny 18.12.14 13:55

was it LIECESTER POLICE WHO DID THIS INVESTIGATION

by Bishop Brennan 18.12.14 14:03

Jamming wrote:Pretty much all of the reporting I have seen about the hearing today has been, sadly and predictably, singing the same old tune.... "internet troll", "1000's of messages attacking the McCanns", "4000+ hate messages at the McCanns" and so on...

Yet not one, that I have seen, has highlighted the alarming frequency with which the report by that coward of a "man" Brunt was broadcast, nor the scandalous amount of times the hounding of Brenda was scrolled across the SSN banners etc, perhaps forcing her into hiding and whatever ensued over those next hours

Sadly, to the masses, that'll be the crux of the story, no doubt to be followed by something along the lines of "poor Brenda couldn't live with the shame of her actions". Nothing to do with not being able to cope with the onslaught brought directly on her by Brunt & SSN & the obvious others of course...

All part of the continuing 'whitewash' process that uses the media to cover up ANY and all bad press that could be associated with the McCanns, their supporters, or their sponsors. Indeed you will notice that they are using the Inquest as a means of furthering the "troll" narrative whereby anyone who questions the "abduction" theory is part of a 'conspiracy theory' and must be outed and vilified. Brenda is to be portrayed as the perfect example of this 'nasty' person that attacks the McCanns.

And if these "trolls" should die, well, certainly the media do not care one jot - we see this in the entirely inaccurate and unsympathetic reporting that is broadcast and written today and on the days after Brenda died.

Remember - this is a very sophisticated and expensive cover-up, with top media experts being used. Of course it is made so much easier in this case because the media must also protect itself from its horrendous and ultimately deadly behaviour. This story will now vanish completely until next year. The "troll" headlines repeated and remembered. Job done.

by jeanmonroe 18.12.14 14:07

Joss wrote:Written statement from her son who coroner said BL had contacted before her death http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/dec/18/sky-news-journalists-give-evidence-inquest-alleged-internet-troll … #mccann

Brunt must be 'sh*ting' himself about what BL 'told' her son AFTER he left the 'confrontation'!

Could be 'anything' couldn't it?

She was, after all, 'supposed' to be a prolific 'writer' wasn't she?

(Not forgetting any phone calls that may be 'recorded' by her son)

"This 'piece of work' was sending up to FIFTY 'texts' a DAY, TO the McCann's" ('quote' from Carole Malone, D Mirror's 'STAR' 'investigative journalist'!)

We KNOW BL 'received' death THREATS, from Cindy Martin, McCANN SUPPORTER AFTER Brunt's 'confrontation' don't we?

DID Brunt 'KNOW' about ARDENT, McCANN SUPPORTER Cindy Martin, BEFORE his 'confrontation' with Brenda and her (CM's) 'possible' reaction, from her, AFTER his 'report' about Brenda?

What happens if, IF, the Coroner, decides, that Sky New's 'action', by Martin Brunt, WAS the MAJOR, indeed the ONLY contributating 'factor'. that led to BL, taking her own life?

(Question: Would BL be alive TODAY if she had NOT 'received' 'death THREATS' from an AVID, McCANN SUPPORTER AFTER Sky New's 'confrontation'?)

Imo, absolutely, a resounding...YES!

Civil 'action' against Sky News?

Cheque book out, AGAIN Rupe?

These McCann 'related' er, 'exclusive' erm, 'stories' are 'costing' you, an absolute 'fortune'!

eta: Just watching Sky News about the BIGGEST 'crime' story, child abuse/Met Police, and Sky New's CHIEF 'crime' correspondent, Martin Brunt, is NOWHERE to be 'seen'!

Got some other guy, reporting from outside SY, standing in the very same 'place/spot' Brunt knows so well!

Where's Brunt?

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