PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 17:21

Gerald McCann told us that he had a vision where he was in a tunnel but saw some light.

When Gerald McCann trotted off home for some of Madeleine's DNA, Kate McCann spoke to police officer Paiva and said that she had a dream that Madeleine was on top of a hill.

The McCanns have always been able to plan events many months ahead, as if they have always had an uncanny feeling that Madeleine would never be coming home during that time.

Please feel free to add your own memories of psychics working on this case. It would be preferred if genuine psychics are not derided in this section. We would like to save this section for the psychics who are supportive of the McCanns. Thank you. laughat

Here are some which have been copied from elsewhere:

Top Psychic joins search.

Last May it was reported in the UK Press Gazette that the McCanns, their friends and their family had invited the 'alleged psychics' Diane Lazarus (of Cardiff) and Amanda Hart across to Portugal to see if they could discover what happened to Madeleine (Amanda is an ex-resident of Portugal and Spain).
What's interesting is that Amanda Hart registered a website domain for her new company on April 28 2007 called Amber Connections Ltd.
Hart registered the actual company name on April 26th 2007 with the UK's 'Companies House'.
This 'psychic detective' company was to specialise in Missing Persons and Miscarriages of Justice. It was to behave in principle rather like the 'psychic wing' of Gerry's Amber Alert Sysyem.

Amanda Hart registered this domain 5 days before Madeleine went missing. It's alleged both she and Diane Lazarus were then invited across to Portugal by friends of the McCanns.
Amanda Hart alleges she too had a child taken away from her at a very early age:
see her Madeleine - Psychic Tracker diary …” Considering my daughter was taken just before her birthday, was nick-named Maddy after the character in the programme ‘Moonlighting’, had blonde hair (which was why she took on this nickname) and was now living on this island, I paid attention. I was then reminded that I was told she would come back into my life when she was
16/17 years of age. She is 16 now. This was clarifying what I was originally shown of her being returned"

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Diane Lazarus says she will fly out to Portugal on Wednesday at the request of a family friend. She will visit the holiday apartment on the Warner development at Praia da Luz where Madeline was staying when she vanished. Mum of two Diane, who has helped police in high profile investigations including the Jill Dando and Sarah Payne murder cases, thinks her skills can detect vital clues to who abducted the child and where she could be now.

The psychic believes:
• Maddy is still alive
• She isn't in Portugal
• She has now been disguised as a boy
Diane told the Daily Star exclusively she hopes to link up Maddy's devastated parents once she gets there.

At her home in Cross Hands South Wales she has been bombarded with emails from well wishers, begging her to find Maddy; and she says she is already tuning in to clues. She confided "I don't think Maddy is in Portugal and they have kept her moving around. But I hope going there will give me the leads to where she went from there. I have also picked up that they have cut Madeline's hair and made her look like a boy. There are a couple of people involved".

Robert Murat who lives close by is under suspicion of abducting Maddy.
But Diane insists: "I have thought he was innocent form day one." She went on "Madeline has touched my heart. She has been in my thoughts just as she is in everyone else's. Now I just need to get out there and so something to help. I need to start at the beginning and be where it all happened. I will also look at a map of the area and take a photo of Madeline. I am going for four days and should achieve a lot in that time. I will have to ruffle feathers with the Portuguese Police because I don't know how they feel about psychics."

Diane 42 regularly teams up with her criminal lawyer husband to try and crack crimes here and in Ireland. She talks about her skills in her autobiography Mixed Blessings.

Members of the McCanns family asked her would she go and see if she could help find Madeleine ....Amanda is a psychic and flew out with two other people. What I find very strange is that Amanda only had set up a new company with another psyshic called Ben Murphy. It was set up on April 28th 2007 the day the McC,s and group flew to Portugal. Madeleine goes missing on May 3rd ..... * 10th of May Gerry and Gary Titley starts talking about A/A ....The name of Amanda Harts company that she set up in April 28th 2007 is called ..AMBER CONNECTIONS

Here's something interesting. Amanda Hart did have the name Amber Connections knocking around prior to 2007 The difference is - prior to May 2007 it had just been a 'spiritual development' service: it was only in April 2007 that it became a fully fledged 'missing persons', 'psychic detective' ghostbusters thingy.She issued a press release for it on her other website: look at the date:

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 17:25

PRESS RELEASES
Amber Connections
3rd May 2005

After 3 years of study and travel, establishing contacts and credibility, Amanda Hart, is ready to launch her new business, Amber Connections. Dedicated to Spiritual Development and the pursuit of truth, Amanda is a channel and receives the highest guidance for balance of mind, body and spirit to activate life path enhancement and our own healing abilities. Her abilities and skills together with her high energy levels give her the uniqueness, which have gained her the credibility she has earned through this industry.....
Amanda and her agent Kizzi Nkwocha set up a 'Madeleine Trackker' blog at this location. It fizzled out in July by the looks of it - when things began to go pear-shaped.

Kizzi's new site:
Kizzi's clients:
The Home Office
Home Office Criminal Justice Department
Depeartment for Education and Skills
Department for Culture Media and Sport
Department for International Development
Department for Trade and Industry
Work and Pensions
Eurobet
Her Majesty's Treasury
Revenue and Customs
The Active Communities Unit (Home Office)
The Woemna dn Equality Unit
The King of Uganda

Amber Connections was conceived with the aim to work with clients to empower them for a deeper connection to their true self, opening them to their full potential.
Amanda met Ben one evening whilst at an event and during the course of the evening it became apparent that Ben and Amanda were tuning into one another's energy and working in unison.
Considering both their backgrounds, each of them had been aware prior, that they were to meet and work with each other - and almost immediately, the work began!
Their first case was to find a missing person, whom they knew was disorientated, but safe and sure enough, later that day, he was located at a local police station! Both of their combined information had helped to put the pieces of the jigsaw together.

Two UK psychic detectives have arrived in Portugal in a bid to help track down missing toddler Madeleine McCann. Amanda Hart from St Albans and Ben Murphy from Watford believe their psychic powers could provide the missing key in finding the three year old who has been missing since last Thursday.

Madeleine is believed to have been taken from her bed while her parents were eating at a nearby restaurant close to their holiday apartment in the Algarve village of Praia da Luz in Portugal. They had been regularly checking on her and their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, before she went missing.

Amanda Hart, who has appeared on Tricia Goddard's Psychic Challenge and regularly presented her own psychic radio show, says she has been receiving vital clues as to the childs whereabouts. Her partner, Ben Murphy who was involved in helping track down the murderer of teenager Sally Anne Bowman last year, has also had psychic impressions of her location.

The pair arrived in Portugal on Friday and are hoping to use Amanda’s ability as a psychic ‘tracker’ to help find Madeleine.

Spokesman Kizzi Nkwocha said: “Both Amanda and Ben have proven their psychic abilities beyond any doubt. They now hope to use these powers to help find Madeleine. Any information they get will be made available to the authorities in Portugal.”

If you'd like any further information about Amanda and Ben or news of their progress, please feel free to contact Kizzi Nkwocha on the following number or email.

Kizzi Nkwocha (born Nigeria, ca. 1968) is a media consultant and public relations specialist based in the United Kingdom.

He was born in Nigeria, eventually emigrating to the United Kingdom. At 21, he became the UK's youngest newspaper editor, editing the 10-edition Recorder Group in West London. After the Recorder, Nkwocha worked as programming editor of Broadcast Magazine, owned by Emap. He was also guest editor of international celebrity magazine, Society. He spent the last five of his journalistic years as a reporter at the News of the World weekly tabloid newspaper

* Gary Titley is also a member of the Socialist Fabian Society along with folks like Blair and Brown. They appear to approach EU Enalargement with much the same passion as the average US Neocon approaches expansion in the Middle East. They wish to keep the EU door open to Turkey. Something the Vatican also supports. I think the McCann's friend Titley was an early campaigner for the Pan-European 'Missing Children's Hoteline, '116-000' through his work with Missing Children Europe. Missing Children Europe partner Oracle (the software company). Titley has supported a number of cross-border surveillance projects (vehicle registration being one). Could be a lot of money in having increased surveillance technology in place. Oracle are the EU ICT Supplier of choice and Orcale have been looking to expand in Andalucia/Malaga - which is where the McCanns' first witness, Mari Olli Pollard lives with her husband (Huelva is also in this region).

There's that place Huelva being mentioned again laughat

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 17:29

Psychics have been a counter-productive waste of time in the Madeleine McCann case.

Hundreds of them have come forward with their crazy and wrong ideas and claims - all believing they are right!

I would be tempted to charge every single one of them with 'wasting police time'.

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 17:39

Tony Bennett wrote:Psychics have been a counter-productive waste of time in the Madeleine McCann case.

Hundreds of them have come forward with their crazy and wrong ideas and claims - all believing they are right!

I would be tempted to charge every single one of them with 'wasting police time'.

Indeed Tony Bennett. The man who dragged the dam is a good case in point. With all his nonsense of an underworld passing him information. Anything to denigrate the PJ and Amaral.

by theolivebranch 19.02.11 17:49

Good evening Tony and JM.

There was a time when I believed that Madeleine had been abducted and became quite obsessed with the thought that one day whilst out I would see her. This obsession developed into actually going out to look for her, calling her name in the more remote areas where I live in Andalucia.

Every day I read two sites. One about a man's dreams and the other run by a man whom I eventually emailed after a daily Merlin piece that really spooked me. He mentioned in this piece the name of a person and a location and I post a copy of my email to him with some areas blanked out for my own privacy but you will get the gist.

At this time I was contributing to the fund and was a member of a very pro McCann forum. I started to ask questions though, so was banned, and then asked more and more and got answers that have lead me to believe that Madeleine was not abducted and that her parents know she wasn't.

The emails......
Fri, 12 October, 2007 23:56:34
Re: Todays reading

From:	Matthew James Add to Contacts
To:	**********************************************

Hi ******* Many thanks for your email. Relax, I don't sense Maddy is at that location at this point in time. It seems it will be a drop off point in the future. It was just something I saw clearly as a possible event ....
Kind regards
Matthew

************************** wrote:

Hello Matt, I spend many hours on the o***madeleine forum and read you every day. Sometimes it takes me a long long time trying to understand your cryptic writings.Today though as I read i was overcome with a wave of strange feeling. My mouth went dry, I was trembling, my heart raced and the hairs on the back of my head stood up. Why?

My name is *******LORRAINE ****. I am 64 retired and live in Spain. I live about ** kms or so inland from Malaga. I live very close to a small village/hamlet called ********* de la CONCEPCION, you keep mentioning CONCEPTION, concepcion is the same but in spanish.This village has many cottage industries one being a rustic furniture maker.This village is in the foothills of a LIMESTONE mountain range called *******, here wild boar and ibis roam.

There are many isolated farmhouses, mine being one of them also many ruins.

Your reading really spooked me. Is she near?I don't want to jearpardize her safe return. Please advise me what to do .I know you have not been well and I am sorry for giving you more to do but would you please reply to me.

Many thanks,*******

by YNG 19.02.11 18:26

[quote="theolivebranch"]

There was a time when I believed that Madeleine had been abducted and became quite obsessed with the thought that one day whilst out I would see her. This obsession developed into actually going out to look for her, calling her name in the more remote areas where I live in Andalucia.

Every day I read two sites. One about a man's dreams and the other run by a man whom I eventually emailed after a daily Merlin piece that really spooked me. He mentioned in this piece the name of a person and a location and I post a copy of my email to him with some areas blanked out for my own privacy but you will get the gist.

At this time I was contributing to the fund and was a member of a very pro McCann forum. I started to ask questions though, so was banned, and then asked more and more and got answers that have lead me to believe that Madeleine was not abducted and that her parents know she wasn't.

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Evening olivebranch , I remember all this well , how we were all taken in laughat

Wasn't the site called , Light in the Dark or something like that ........... should have been ' Shot in the Dark ' more like sarcastic

by theolivebranch 19.02.11 18:30

[quote="YNG"]

theolivebranch wrote:

There was a time when I believed that Madeleine had been abducted and became quite obsessed with the thought that one day whilst out I would see her. This obsession developed into actually going out to look for her, calling her name in the more remote areas where I live in Andalucia.

Every day I read two sites. One about a man's dreams and the other run by a man whom I eventually emailed after a daily Merlin piece that really spooked me. He mentioned in this piece the name of a person and a location and I post a copy of my email to him with some areas blanked out for my own privacy but you will get the gist.

At this time I was contributing to the fund and was a member of a very pro McCann forum. I started to ask questions though, so was banned, and then asked more and more and got answers that have lead me to believe that Madeleine was not abducted and that her parents know she wasn't.

.......................

Evening olivebranch , I remember all this well , how we were all taken in

Wasn't the site called , Light in the Dark or something like that ........... should have been ' Shot in the Dark ' more like

Hello YNG, yes those were the days, NOT PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE 172348

It was called A Light in the Darkness and as far as I know is still going.

Yes I am ashamed to say I was taken in big time.

by YNG 19.02.11 18:35

[quote="theolivebranch"]

YNG wrote:
theolivebranch wrote:

There was a time when I believed that Madeleine had been abducted and became quite obsessed with the thought that one day whilst out I would see her. This obsession developed into actually going out to look for her, calling her name in the more remote areas where I live in Andalucia.

Every day I read two sites. One about a man's dreams and the other run by a man whom I eventually emailed after a daily Merlin piece that really spooked me. He mentioned in this piece the name of a person and a location and I post a copy of my email to him with some areas blanked out for my own privacy but you will get the gist.

At this time I was contributing to the fund and was a member of a very pro McCann forum. I started to ask questions though, so was banned, and then asked more and more and got answers that have lead me to believe that Madeleine was not abducted and that her parents know she wasn't.

.......................

Evening olivebranch , I remember all this well , how we were all taken in

Wasn't the site called , Light in the Dark or something like that ........... should have been ' Shot in the Dark ' more like

Hello YNG, yes those were the days, NOT It was called A Light in the Darkness and as far as I know is still going.

Yes I am ashamed to say I was taken in big time.

Things have a funny way of turning out don't they , but if it wasn't for all that we wouldn't be where we are today thumbsup

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 18:37

@ theolivebranch roses

How did posters feel when they learned that in these days of heightened terrorist activities, Team McCann managed to facilitate the passage of Krugel's innovative machine through customs without any X ray equipment being used?

Rather a coup, wasn't it! Krugel could have had anything in that box when he arrived, and he could have taken thing out of the country in it.

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 18:49

McCann saw a light in the darkness, did he not? big grin

Was this perhaps God or an Angel speaking directly to him through the ether? Anything between a man and God should be private, so if the McCanns do have direct access to Him, one will not assume they would necessarily go to the News of the World with a story about any chats they have had with God.

However, one would not bat an eyelid if any such story were to appear in the newspapers one day. There has been many a Sunday morning where one has skimmed through the newspaper headlines to see if there was an article by Gerald McCann entitled, ''Me, Kate and God!'' In this precise word order laughat

Or even, ''How I Put God Straight!'' by Gerald McCann.

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 19:09

Judge Mental wrote:Indeed Tony Bennett. The man who dragged the dam is a good case in point. With all his nonsense of an underworld passing him information. Anything to denigrate the PJ and Amaral.

Come to think of it, all the 'psychics' seem to be with Team McCann.

We have:

* Dr Gerald McCann's vision of a dark tunnel with light at the end of it

* Dr Kate McCanns's hunch/feeling that something was going to go wrong on the holiday

* Dave Edgar becoming 'strangely convinced' that Madeleine was being held in a prison lair near Praia da Luz (more bizarre than most psychic impressions, and that's saying something)

* Marcos Aragao Correia with his vision, on leaving his first-ever Spiritualist meeting on Madeira, of Madeleine being strangled by a big man

* Dr Kate McCann's hunches after Madeleine was reported missing - I think Madeleine's in Portugal, in France, in Morocco etc.

* Francisco Marco, boss of Metedo 3, conjuring up visions of his men 'closing in on' Madeleine, and not forgetting

* Kevin Halligen, who spent so much of the money kindly donated by kind pensioners and children from their pension/pocket money that he probably had numberless visions and hallucinations.

P.S. Just where is Kevin Halligen these days? Still in Belmarsh? What's keeping him from the U.S.?

by ufercoffy 19.02.11 19:13

This case just has to be a hoax, sorry. You just couldn't make this stuff up.

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 19:27

Tony Bennett wrote: ''Come to think of it, all the 'psychics' seem to be with Team McCann.''

big grin

One just knew that you would be one of the first to see where this was going big grin

And as you say, they have visions, hunches and possible hallucinations. And seem to be able to go along with even the most bizarre theories, such as Krugel's placing of hairs next to an eye of toad and tongue of newt, or whatever it is that he does with the human hairs.

One would still be interested as to how the McCanns came by these hairs they allege were Madeleine's. None were to be found in 5A when the forensics went in.

by littlepixie 19.02.11 23:08

They are supposed to be so religious but what does the Bible say God thinks of fortune tellers, psychics and the like. They may really hear and see things but it is coming from Satan - no-one else - and is meant to deceive.
All this talk of psyhics shows them for what they are IMO.

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 23:19

Tony Bennett wrote:
Come to think of it, all the 'psychics' seem to be with Team McCann.

We have:

* Dr Gerald McCann's vision of a dark tunnel with light at the end of it

* Dr Kate McCanns's hunch/feeling that something was going to go wrong on the holiday

* Dave Edgar becoming 'strangely convinced' that Madeleine was being held in a prison lair near Praia da Luz (more bizarre than most psychic impressions, and that's saying something)

* Marcos Aragao Correia with his vision, on leaving his first-ever Spiritualist meeting on Madeira, of Madeleine being strangled by a big man

* Dr Kate McCann's hunches after Madeleine was reported missing - I think Madeleine's in Portugal, in France, in Morocco etc.

* Francisco Marco, boss of Metedo 3, conjuring up visions of his men 'closing in on' Madeleine, and not forgetting

* Kevin Halligen, who spent so much of the money kindly donated by kind pensioners and children from their pension/pocket money that he probably had numberless visions and hallucinations.

OOPS!!

Forgot possibly the most fabulous 'vision'/'hallucination' of them all:

Jane Tanner seeing eggman/bundleman/Robert Murat/monsterman/George Harrison Man/Cooperman/a woman.

'Twas indeed a fab vision.

Or, er, was it fabricated??

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 23:30

littlepixie wrote:They are supposed to be so religious but what does the Bible say God thinks of fortune tellers, psychics and the like. They may really hear and see things but it is coming from Satan - no-one else - and is meant to deceive. All this talk of pschics shows them for what they are IMO.

King Saul had departed from God's way and despite the Law of Moses telling him not to try to call up 'familiar spirits', he decided to risk it and did so. The Philistines were giving him a really hard time, and this was before Saul's son David learnt how to sling a stone and felled 7-foot Goliath with a single shot to the forehead. Had there been an Olympics in 'slingshot' in those days, David would surely have got a gold medal in the event.

Anyway, back to the story, Saul decided to visit the local witch, the Witch of Endor.

She said: 'O.K., I'll help', and proceeded to utter her chants and mumbo-jumbo to try to speak to one of the spirits - we'd probably call it 'channelling' today.

She and King Saul got a mighty shock when instead of her being able to speak to one of her spirit beings on 'the other side', she called up the former prophet and king Samuel, who had some time ago 'passed on' to better things.

Samuel rebuked them both - and quite right too.

The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

Pretty undignified for the King of Isreal - a severe warning not to mess with spirits.

It's all in 1 Samuel Chapter 18.

by **PeterMac** 20.02.11 7:31

"Clairvoyant wins Lottery"
Not a headline we see very often.

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 18:30

''The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

The PJ files say something rather similar about Gerald McCann. Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself. laughat

How terribly embarrassing this must have been for the attending police officers. After all, Madeleine had only been missing for a short time at that point, and could very well have walked back into the apartment any moment:

However, McCann's sixth sense was obviously telling him that this was not to be. Moments later, his sixth sense was telling him that Madeleine was in the clutches of a British paedophile gang. A story which has changed very little since. Although sometimes, a swarthy foreign paedophile group is accused instead.

McCann's sixth sense also seemed to telling him to arrange events months and months hence, as if he knew that Madeleine would not be coming home. Therefore, although Gerald McCann is constantly derided and ridiculed for appearing to be a strange, insensitive and bullying little man, one will say in his defence that one of his redeeming qualities seems to be that he is undoubtedly supremely psychic.

by ufercoffy 20.02.11 18:42

Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE 742129

, it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE 181154

by **Tony Bennett** 20.02.11 18:51

Judge Mental wrote:''The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

The PJ files say something rather similar about Gerald McCann. Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Yes, you are very perspicacious. It seems, then, if I divine you aright, to be a gesture associated with feeling extremely guilty about something?

McCann's sixth sense also seemed to be telling him to arrange events months and months hence, as if he knew that Madeleine would not be coming home. Therefore, although Gerald McCann is constantly derided and ridiculed for appearing to be a strange, insensitive and bullying little man, one will say in his defence that one of his redeeming qualities seems to be that he is undoubtedly supremely psychic.

I would go still further than you, Judge Mental, which is a rarity. I have publicly stated that for Dr Gerald McCann to have stated on 28 June 2007 that "I have no doubt that we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine's disappearance in the long-term" means that he has the rare gift of prophecy. I have indeed in the past publicly pronounced him 'a prophet of the modern age'. There is only one other, completely untenable explanation for his gift of prophesying this and other similar statements. And that is the ridiculous, hurtful, libellous and harmful-to-finding-Madeleine notion that Dr Gearld McCann already knows that Madeleine is dead.

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 19:03

ufercoffy wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger , it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it

He quite literally seems to throw himself into a crisis, in order to create yet more drama for any scene he is involved in.

''Twas Brillig
And the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves
And the mome raths outgrabe.''

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 19:48

Tony Bennett wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:''The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

The PJ files say something rather similar about Gerald McCann. Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Yes, you are very perspicacious. It seems, then, if I divine you aright, to be a gesture associated with feeling extremely guilty about something?

McCann's sixth sense also seemed to be telling him to arrange events months and months hence, as if he knew that Madeleine would not be coming home. Therefore, although Gerald McCann is constantly derided and ridiculed for appearing to be a strange, insensitive and bullying little man, one will say in his defence that one of his redeeming qualities seems to be that he is undoubtedly supremely psychic.

I would go still further than you, Judge Mental, which is a rarity. I have publicly stated that for Dr Gerald McCann to have stated on 28 June 2007 that "I have no doubt that we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine's disappearance in the long-term" means that he has the rare gift of prophecy. I have indeed in the past publicly pronounced him 'a prophet of the modern age'. There is only one other, completely untenable explanation for his gift of prophesying this and other similar statements. And that is the ridiculous, hurtful, libellous and harmful-to-finding-Madeleine notion that Dr Gerald McCann already knows that Madeleine is dead.

Of course, there are those who have said he may have been using the universally recognised plea to all Brothers because he felt himself and the rest of the Tapas 9 to be in the most severe trouble. However, the officers were clueless as to his behaviour and seemed to accept it as a quirk of McCann being a Brit abroad. Possibly through having seen enough television programmes about badly behaved, loud mouthed, drunken Brits abroad.

It is always difficult to accept the death of somebody we love and care about, but the two EVR dogs were adamantly pointing out the same places where they knew a cadaver had lain. It is absurd that neither of the McCanns want to know why. Although it demonstrates their great and implicit trust in their friends, it invites too much mistrust of the McCanns themselves.

by littlepixie 20.02.11 19:57

littlepixie wrote:They are supposed to be so religious but what does the Bible say God thinks of fortune tellers, psychics and the like. They may really hear and see things but it is coming from Satan - no-one else - and is meant to deceive.
All this talk of psyhics shows them for what they are IMO.

10
There should not be found in you anyone who makes
his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs
divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a
sorcerer, 11
or one who binds others with a spell or anyone
who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or
anyone who inquires of the dead. 12
For everybody doing these things is something
detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah
your God is driving them away from before you.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 20:15

@ littlepixie big grin

There's nothing like a bit of old Deuteronomy to get people grabbing hold of their Rosary beads. laughat

by **Tony Bennett** 20.02.11 20:47

Judge Mental wrote:@ littlepixie
There's nothing like a bit of old Deuteronomy to get people grabbing hold of their Rosary beads.

But the Good Book doesn't approve of Rosary beads either:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetition, as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking...After this manner therefore pray thee: Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name..."

Matthew 6 vv. 7,9 [The Sermon on the Mount]

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 21:15

Tony Bennett wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:@ littlepixie
There's nothing like a bit of old Deuteronomy to get people grabbing hold of their Rosary beads.
But the Good Book doesn't approve of Rosary beads either:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetition, as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking...After this manner therefore pray thee: Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name..."

Matthew 6 vv. 7,9 [The Sermon on the Mount]

Righty ho then. Hell, high water and brimstone all round! It really rather looks as if they are doomed one away or another. There is an old saying, ''If He doesn't get you as you are going, He will get you coming back.''

And the Lord knows that they have just about done repetition to death. In fact, The Greatest Story Ever Told is teetering on the very threshold of being usurped by the Abduction Story. sarcastic

There has been many a time where one has felt a compulsion to check and see if there has been a St. McCann revised edition of the Bible.

by **PeterMac** 21.02.11 8:14

Judge Mental wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.
Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger, it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it
He quite literally seems to throw himself into a crisis, in order to create yet more drama for any scene he is involved in.

Or possibly (edited)
GRAND HAILING SIGN OF DISTRESS
After receiving instruction in the proper communication of the substitute for the Master's Word, the candidate is then instructed in regards to the Grand Hailing Sign of Distress. It is given by raising both hands toward heaven, with each arm forming the angle of a square, or a 90 degree angle. The arms are then lowered in three distinct motions to the sides.
The candidate is additionally instructed, however, that if he is in a place where the sign could not be seen, he is to utter a substitute for the sign: "O Lord, my God, is there no help for the Widow's Son?"
Was this the primaeval scream, which the PJ did not understand ?

by theolivebranch 21.02.11 10:45

PeterMac wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.
Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger, it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it
He quite literally seems to throw himself into a crisis, in order to create yet more drama for any scene he is involved in.

Or possibly (edited)
GRAND HAILING SIGN OF DISTRESS
After receiving instruction in the proper communication of the substitute for the Master's Word, the candidate is then instructed in regards to the Grand Hailing Sign of Distress. It is given by raising both hands toward heaven, with each arm forming the angle of a square, or a 90 degree angle. The arms are then lowered in three distinct motions to the sides.
The candidate is additionally instructed, however, that if he is in a place where the sign could not be seen, he is to utter a substitute for the sign: "O Lord, my God, is there no help for the Widow's Son?"
Was this the primaeval scream, which the PJ did not understand ?

In all seriousness if they, the whole crew of them, have any belief in any religion then they must have fear for what the result of the final judgement will be.

by **PeterMac** 21.02.11 11:03

I don't think anyone treats religion that seriously any more - to believe in a real physical Hell and eternal damnation for their immortal souls.
I may be wrong.
But I think most people nowdays believe in things for which here is some evidence, rather than just what they are told by more educated or social superiors or ...
Hang on, isn't that what has happened here ?

by theolivebranch 21.02.11 11:53

PeterMac wrote:I don't think anyone treats religion that seriously any more - to believe in a real physical Hell and eternal damnation for their immortal souls.
I may be wrong.
But I think most people nowdays believe in things for which here is some evidence, rather than just what they are told by more educated or social superiors or ...
Hang on, isn't that what has happened here ?

correct. Well don't know re hell and damnation and all that but from a personal viewpoint my faith means a lot to me. And I have not been to a church service for donkeys years, it is just my personal feelings.