Re: Twitter:"Sunday the 12th of October is T-DAY for the McCann´s"

by Hongkong Phooey 13.10.14 15:38

Maybe T-day was 'troll day' (somehow exposing supposed trolls). Perhaps this was all part of the sting and it all went badly wrong with what happened with BL. Could have been an attemt to engage the 'haters' (they did actually state they were not haters just truthseekers). Who knows, it just seems mighty coincidental. All imo.

by Snifferdog 13.10.14 16:38

You have a good point there Hongkong Phooey.

by Jamming 13.10.14 16:57

Hongkong Phooey wrote:Maybe T-day was 'troll day' (somehow exposing supposed trolls). Perhaps this was all part of the sting and it all went badly wrong with what happened with BL. Could have been an attemt to engage the 'haters' (they did actually state they were not haters just truthseekers). Who knows, it just seems mighty coincidental. All imo.

But how many people here, and on other sites, would claim to be "haters" as opposed to "truthseekers" ?

by Hongkong Phooey 13.10.14 18:25

Jamming wrote:
Hongkong Phooey wrote:Maybe T-day was 'troll day' (somehow exposing supposed trolls). Perhaps this was all part of the sting and it all went badly wrong with what happened with BL. Could have been an attemt to engage the 'haters' (they did actually state they were not haters just truthseekers). Who knows, it just seems mighty coincidental. All imo.

But how many people here, and on other sites, would claim to be "haters" as opposed to "truthseekers" ?

I think you've misread the point, it was an attempt to gather info. and maybe stir up dabate so they could 'out' the so called trolls that's why the big revelation was to be weeks after their arrival on the scene. However the big plan backfired and they stopped tweeting at the coincidental time. I've probably got it all wrong and none of this is factual just guesswork.

by canada12 13.10.14 19:03

Let's have a look at what 2&2 actually said in their "blurb":

On Sunday the 12th of October 2014 at 09:00 GMT 2&2 will publish a video that will force Kate and Gerry McCann to go on record about a critical detail regarding the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine in the days following her disappearance BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP.

It's our view the McCanns won't respond until the video is publicised by mainstream media, particularly in the UK, the only way this will happen is if everyone helps the video to go as viral as possible.

Please follow 2&2 back and be ready to share and RT this non-monetised video to everyone of your followers and every media outlet you can if you value the truth.

It seems to me this was likely part of the coordinated move by the factions discussed on other threads, timed to coincide with all the other pro-McCann fronts.

By tantalizing truth-seekers such as ourselves, so far in advance, and by using details that were already well-known to us, they hoped to build a momentum of discussion and argument. I believe the likely goal was to put forward something in Videos 3 and 4 which would provoke intense arguments from the truth-seekers, thus allowing the pro-McCann faction to goad and continue provoking. I believe Brenda Leyland may have been an unwitting patsy in this, probably scouted well in advance and destined to be "outed" as the visible face of the "haters".

Looking at 2&2's mission, they were predicting that Kate and Gerry would be forced to go on record about some critical detail about Madeleine's disappearance. I think the critical detail about Madeleine was probably a moot point. It would likely have been something that would cause the more vocal truth-seekers to either protest loudly, or argue strongly in favour of further action, and that would have set the rest of the plan in motion, with Kate and Gerry going on record about the hateful trolls and therefore trying to sway public opinion back into their corner.

All in my own opinion,

by Guest 13.10.14 19:16

I think that is perfectly possible.

I didn't like the hype that was going on.

If they had something that important they should have said there and then.

If it WAS that important it would have gone viral all on it's own.

by Dont Make Me Laff 13.10.14 19:22

I wonder of 2&2 can be traced?
didn't another poster say they knew them?

by TheTruthWillOut 13.10.14 19:34

I can't get a gut feeling of 2&2 to be honest. I thought that they were based outside the UK though.

Didn't Joana Morais say she'd e-mail them? May be she knows who they are....

by Hongkong Phooey 13.10.14 19:38

BlueBag wrote:I think that is perfectly possible.

I didn't like the hype that was going on.

If they had something that important they should have said there and then.

If it WAS that important it would have gone viral all on it's own.

"If it WAS that important it would have gone viral all on it's own" Exactly, they wouldn't need the help that was asked for. imo

by brixham 13.10.14 20:41

It was all a sham, if you really had something explosive to announce you need no 'help' for it to go viral. Somehow I am reminded of the phrase - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep'sclothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

by AndyB 14.10.14 8:31

canada12 wrote:Let's have a look at what 2&2 actually said in their "blurb":

On Sunday the 12th of October 2014 at 09:00 GMT 2&2 will publish a video that will force Kate and Gerry McCann to go on record about a critical detail regarding the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine in the days following her disappearance BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP.

It's our view the McCanns won't respond until the video is publicised by mainstream media, particularly in the UK, the only way this will happen is if everyone helps the video to go as viral as possible.

Please follow 2&2 back and be ready to share and RT this non-monetised video to everyone of your followers and every media outlet you can if you value the truth.

It seems to me this was likely part of the coordinated move by the factions discussed on other threads, timed to coincide with all the other pro-McCann fronts.

By tantalizing truth-seekers such as ourselves, so far in advance, and by using details that were already well-known to us, they hoped to build a momentum of discussion and argument. I believe the likely goal was to put forward something in Videos 3 and 4 which would provoke intense arguments from the truth-seekers, thus allowing the pro-McCann faction to goad and continue provoking. I believe Brenda Leyland may have been an unwitting patsy in this, probably scouted well in advance and destined to be "outed" as the visible face of the "haters".

Looking at 2&2's mission, they were predicting that Kate and Gerry would be forced to go on record about some critical detail about Madeleine's disappearance. I think the critical detail about Madeleine was probably a moot point. It would likely have been something that would cause the more vocal truth-seekers to either protest loudly, or argue strongly in favour of further action, and that would have set the rest of the plan in motion, with Kate and Gerry going on record about the hateful trolls and therefore trying to sway public opinion back into their corner.

All in my own opinion,

And if they can harvest the names of some "vile hater trolls" along the way so much the better.

Stepping back a minute, the whole thing; the book, the dossier and the 2&2 scam takes a huge amount of effort and coordination. Who's behind it and just what are team McCann so afraid of? What is it that drives their need to undertake massive projects like it this?

by plebgate 14.10.14 8:52

I wonder if Mr. still wants to be a New Liebour MP?

Will the case be solved by the end of the year? If it is I wonder if Mr. could be offered a safe liebour seat somewhere (if of course that is what he wants)? Election 2015?

by AndyB 14.10.14 9:03

plebgate wrote:I wonder if Mr. still wants to be a New Liebour MP?

I believe that's a forum myth. Certainly I couldn't find any evidence of it's veracity last time I looked

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:09

To be fair people have been peeing on 2&2 parade from the off. The first two videos were received in a luke warm manner gradually skeptical. I suspect this lack of enthusiasm response must have been a put off for 2&2 and so decided not to post the rest to avoid more mocking.

People did not give it a chance, criticising that Video 1 & 2 contain nothing new that wasn't already discussed on forum, further suspecting video 3&4 would be more regurgitation of the same old. T-day was given a damp squid treatment from the onset. Who can blame 2&2 for not wanting to subject him/herself to more criticism.

Richard Phillips were given the same hot and cold treatment. Initially people were all praise for him then when he decides to stop doing the in depth C-to-C review people became critical of him. It's not nice to receive the hot and cold treatment.

by plebgate 14.10.14 9:15

That's why, imo, it would have been better to put any NEW info. into the public domain straight away. Having to wait so long, well that was never going to work imo.

I hate all these cryptic messages and wait and see what we have to say postings.

Just post. Can do without all the drama myself.

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:16

PeterMac wrote:Joana Morais ‏@xklamation 9h
T day as in Truth Day? A little more please, video still perhaps, short synopsis? Who's behind it? Why the 12 Oct.? Thanks #McCann @2and2TV
4:24 AM - 26 Sep 2014 · Details

2&2TV ‏@2and2TV 9h
@xklamation Hi Joana, we've been in touch already :) I'll contact you by email again over the weekend..

Joana Morais ‏@xklamation 9h
@2and2TV that's nice :) very curious and looking forward to know more.

_ _ _ __ _ ________ _ _ _
I have no idea how this works and who is talking to whom. Anyone understand it ?

The first line is the speaker (sender of the message), following line/s is the message.
Joana Morais tweeter name is @xklamation ......
2&2TV tweeter name is 2@and 2TV.....

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 9:19

plebgate wrote:That's why, imo, it would have been better to put any NEW info. into the public domain straight away. Having to wait so long, well that was never going to work imo.

I hate all these cryptic messages and wait and see what we have to say postings.

Just post. Can do without all the drama myself.

Everyone is so cynical now and rightly so. It feels a bit patronising to be told you have to wait for something to happen as if we are children -so anything like this will not get received very well. After 7 years we just want 'straightforward and direct' approach.

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:20

plebgate wrote:That's why, imo, it would have been better to put any NEW info. into the public domain straight away. Having to wait so long, well that was never going to work imo.

I hate all these cryptic messages and wait and see what we have to say postings.

Just post. Can do without all the drama myself.

Agreed, it would have been better just to put it out without pre-warning people.

Testing the water is not good idea. Once posted it will elicit a response anyway, be it good or bad, so be it. Que Sera Sera
.

by Guest 14.10.14 9:21

aiyoyo wrote:To be fair people have been peeing on 2&2 parade from the off. The first two videos were received in a luke warm manner gradually skeptical.

To be fair the criticism was valid.

The videos made interesting points, but if if you promise something ground-breaking then it better be that, not something that we all know and have discussed many times.

Also many people were suspicious of the date hype (me - I said so at the time).

If you have something to say then say it, it it's truly important then it will find it's own traction.

I think they were after twitter followers (and comments) for some reason and looks like it was connected to all the stuff that's going on with S&S and "haters".

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:22

AndyB wrote:
plebgate wrote:I wonder if Mr. still wants to be a New Liebour MP?
I believe that's a forum myth. Certainly I couldn't find any evidence of it's veracity last time I looked

Ditto.
He stands no chance as candidate. Who would want to elect a duck-backside-face as their MP anyway?

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:30

BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:To be fair people have been peeing on 2&2 parade from the off. The first two videos were received in a luke warm manner gradually skeptical.
To be fair the criticism was valid.

The videos made interesting points, but if if you promise something ground-breaking then it better be that, not something that we all know and have discussed many times.

Also many people were suspicious of the date hype (me - I said so at the time).

If you have something to say then say it, it it's truly important then it will find it's own traction.

I think they were after twitter followers (and comments) for some reason and looks like it was connected to all the stuff that's going on with S&S and "haters".

Granted the criticism is fair only in that the partial delivery was not up to par, and the non-delivery of the rest after having given a count-down-to-T-day date is anti climax and unnecessary theatrics.

But the speculation of this and that without basis or anything to substantiate that it was connected to the other orchestrated stuff just does not make sense to me.

by Guest 14.10.14 9:45

aiyoyo wrote:
But the speculation of this and that without basis or anything to substantiate that it was connected to the other orchestrated stuff just does not make sense to me.

You don't think it's possible that there was some kind of Troll sting going on?

by frost 14.10.14 9:47

if 2and2tv are genuine then I hope the only reason they did not post was due to the events of the prior week and perhaps thinking that they could possibly be putting people and or themselves in danger by posting if you get my drift .

In which case I sincerley hope whatever it was they had that would force the McCanns hands that they have turned it over to the potuguese police .

After all this is a portuguese case and it should be them in my opinion not the met who should be dealing with any new evidence or lines of enquiry.

The political interferance in this case stinks . I cannot think of any other case where Britain has literally bent over backwards to protect suspects in a crime committed abroad .

Usually it is a case of sorry we have to abide by the countries laws as the crime was not committed on British soil we have no juristiction . There is very little we can do blah blah blah .

Yes they might try and help via way of interpreters , legal advice etc but I have never ever seen a case where Britain tries to hijack the case and 'solve' it themselves .

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:59

BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
But the speculation of this and that without basis or anything to substantiate that it was connected to the other orchestrated stuff just does not make sense to me.
You don't think it's possible that there was some kind of Troll sting going on?

Nope ! Not with this one. Remember s/he had given OG the videos ? Would pros do that?

Endorsed book, dossier and culling of trolls is something else - these I believe is co-ordinated timing for a purpose.
Whether dossier snitcher is related to McCanns or not, we will never find out, unless the Police get involved.
In view that Brenda Leyland was unfairly singled out without justification, I feel the snitcher should be exposed, should not be allowed to remain anonymous and should be investigated if linked to the Mcs.
But unless Leyland's family lodge a complaint to the Police, it won't get investigated.

Hopefully the Press Commission investigation of Sky (and Martin Brunt) would yield some info in that aspect.

by Guest 14.10.14 10:58

aiyoyo wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
But the speculation of this and that without basis or anything to substantiate that it was connected to the other orchestrated stuff just does not make sense to me.
You don't think it's possible that there was some kind of Troll sting going on?

Nope ! Not with this one. Remember s/he had given OG the videos ? Would pros do that?

??
How did they give OG the videos? Any evidence that that actually happened?

I have no idea what was going on. But troll sting is still a possibility for me.

by palm tree 14.10.14 11:01

Oh, I wonder is this the reason the forensics having been brought in?

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 11:09

BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
But the speculation of this and that without basis or anything to substantiate that it was connected to the other orchestrated stuff just does not make sense to me.
You don't think it's possible that there was some kind of Troll sting going on?

Nope ! Not with this one. Remember s/he had given OG the videos ? Would pros do that?
??
How did they give OG the videos? Any evidence that that actually happened?

I have no idea what was going on. But troll sting is still a possibility for me.

No idea how it was given, by youtube links I'd would thought.
Only going by their words it was given.

Conversely, do you have any evidence that it was not given ?

by Guest 14.10.14 11:10

aiyoyo wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
But the speculation of this and that without basis or anything to substantiate that it was connected to the other orchestrated stuff just does not make sense to me.
You don't think it's possible that there was some kind of Troll sting going on?

Nope ! Not with this one. Remember s/he had given OG the videos ? Would pros do that?
??
How did they give OG the videos? Any evidence that that actually happened?

I have no idea what was going on. But troll sting is still a possibility for me.

No idea how it was given, by youtube links I'd would thought.
Only going by their words it was given.

Conversely, do you have any evidence that it was not given ?

You're asking do I believe everything I read?

Do you know how a potential sting might work?

by Doug D 14.10.14 11:49

Unfortunately, I think Canada12 may well have hit the nail on the head with this one. (Yesterday @ 19.03).

The first two videos showed nothing new that hasn’t been brought up before & it could quite easily have been a phishing exercise for the ‘trollfest’

They responded to Tony’s tweet saying the info. had been passed to OG on 31^st July and followed this with ‘They (TM) can't stop us, any attempt to will trigger an automatic mass distribution of the video’, yet nothing at all since 2^nd October.

As has been previously stated, if it was a sensational revelation, it would have gone viral on its own merits.

They were apparently in e-mail contact with Joana Morais from an early stage and it would be really interesting to hear her views on them.

Any suggestion that OG asked them to withhold something as it might affect the investigation makes no sense, as OG would not have waited two months and would have been able to kill it before it even started.

C-R cannot exert an influence if it is factual and can be seen to be so and if it was to follow the lines of videos 1 & 2 was only highlighting something that was already in the public domain and yet had seemingly been missed.

An alternative answer could be the ‘super-inaudible’.

We have seen Craig Murray announcing that he was about to post a blog:

‘No politics tomorrow. Instead there will be a short post entitled – Amanda Knox, Oscar Pistorius and the McCanns. Guilty as hell.’

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/a-day-off-politics/

and then nothing, no explanation or apology for being unable to post, so just like 2&2 in that respect.

Private Eye have, I believe, had only one mention of the case this year, about one of Redwoods jaunts if I remember rightly, but nothing about the actual case and there is no point in even commenting on the MSM’s attitude.

I cannot understand how, if there is a ‘super-inaudible’ in place, which would explain many things, it could be so widely encompassing to prevent any comment being made and in any event there are plenty of people outside of the UK who could not be held to ransom in this way and would presumably be prepared to go to print.

A ‘D-notice’ listing just ‘anything adverse to the McCanns’ maybe?

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 12:09

D Notices and Super injunctions. I cannot believe we allow governments to slap these onto us. But, then again, it's we who serve them, not them that serve us, as it should be.

As a humorous aside; our dear SA
pres Zuma has been casting forth the plastic pearls to the public. He tells us that corruption is A WESTERN CONCEPT nogal, so therefore cannot be held responsible for his theft of multimillions for his Nkandla homestead where he houses his 4 wives, now complete with Spaza (equivalent to a little corner café), massive "fire pool", underground tunnels and so forth, does not apply to him.

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