Cracked Mirror: Reflections on the McCann affair - The Policemen's Tales

Woofer wrote:

Stillthinking wrote:

Varriott wrote:

Stillthinking wrote:Interesting article in the OP, though I don't understand why they seem to think the onus was on Kate to approach the police to speak directly to them, rather than on the police to approach the main/only witness.


The scene where Kate and Gerry were wailing in the bedroom, kneeling in front of the bed... did this stop police searching in the wardrobe or under the bed in that room, as the article also reports that all cupboards were opened and searched as well as under all the beds and we know they also photographed inside the wardrobe.

huh? are you actually saying that if Kate had information showing a likely abduction of her daughter, that she was under no obligation to speak up? you really think it was ok for her to sit and wait to be asked the right questions? on what planet is this reasonable?

I'm saying that according to the article in the OP, Kate had told Gerry what had happened and police arrived and took details of what had happened from Gerry and the friends but at no point went over and spoke directly to Kate, despite identifying her as the main/only witness. Yet the article appears to blame Kate for not speaking up and letting Gerry do all the talking, rather than blaming the police for not going over to the main witness and speaking to her directly. It does say they remember Kate asking them to get more officers. At that point no police officer though to ask her directly what she had seen? I'm not usually a critic of the Portuguese police, but if police arrive at a crime scene and then don't speak to the main witness ,I don't think the witness should be blamed for police not doing something they should have done.

Did the GNR officers speak English then?

Varriott wrote:

Stillthinking wrote:

Snifferdog wrote:"Snipped.....Kate had told Gerry what had happened......snipped.

....and after "Telling Gerry, I wish Kate had told the PJ what had happened too!
It would also have saved the UK taxpayer a Fortune!

Lol. Fair point.

Whatever Kate said or didn't say that night, she later chose not to clarify when asked the famous 48 questions. Let's recall a few of them:

1. On 3 May 2007 at around 2200 when you entered the apartment what did you see and do, where did you look, and what did you touch?

2. Did you look inside the wardrobe in the bedroom?

5. How much time did you spend searching inside the apartment after realising that your daughter Madeleine had disappeared?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

jeanmonroe wrote:THE ONLY 'QUESTION' THAT MATTERED!

QUESTION 49. (asked to 'HKate Mccann' by Police officers/investigators) Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter? (madeleine)


ANSWER given by 'missing' child's MOTHER 'HKate McCann' YES, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

plebgate wrote:If question 49 had been put to me I would have said OMG please ask me the 48 questions again and I will answer every single one of them.  We are all different though as we have frequently been told.

Joss wrote:

plebgate wrote:If question 49 had been put to me I would have said OMG please ask me the 48 questions again and I will answer every single one of them.  We are all different though as we have frequently been told.

I think most parents of a missing child would be out of their minds with worry and fear for their child, and with a great urgency to find their child? And yes, co operating with the police in any way that would help.
And the mother's disgusting retort of Madeleine giving the abductor/s her tuppence worth, really! As if! Is she nuts?
But then again i have seen teenagers with more sense of responsibility toward their child than these two have in what they did. A couple of almost 40 yr. old Dr.'s, so called professionals, that left a 3 yr. old in charge of even younger twins, so they can have some "me" time, not just for one night which would of been bad enough, but for a few nights running, when it would of cost them nothing really for a babysitter, compared to the well being of their children. It was just a tragedy waiting to happen, and their luck ran out, unfortunately for a very small child, and god only knows what happened to her?
Were they always in the habit of running out at night leaving those very small children alone, or was it just while on holidays?

palm tree wrote:Has there ever been a case where a parent was responsible for the death of their child and did not answer police questions? What I mean is, if a parent was responsible, did any refuse to answer? If they weren't involved, they'd answer and if they were involved, they'd answer as not to raise suspicion? In this case, abduction was claimed by the parents, and KM still didn't answer the police questions! 
IMO

pauloptix wrote:

Joss wrote:

plebgate wrote:If question 49 had been put to me I would have said OMG please ask me the 48 questions again and I will answer every single one of them.  We are all different though as we have frequently been told.

I think most parents of a missing child would be out of their minds with worry and fear for their child, and with a great urgency to find their child? And yes, co operating with the police in any way that would help.
And the mother's disgusting retort of Madeleine giving the abductor/s her tuppence worth, really! As if! Is she nuts?
But then again i have seen teenagers with more sense of responsibility toward their child than these two have in what they did. A couple of almost 40 yr. old Dr.'s, so called professionals, that left a 3 yr. old in charge of even younger twins, so they can have some "me" time, not just for one night which would of been bad enough, but for a few nights running, when it would of cost them nothing really for a babysitter, compared to the well being of their children. It was just a tragedy waiting to happen, and their luck ran out, unfortunately for a very small child, and god only knows what happened to her?
Were they always in the habit of running out at night leaving those very small children alone, or was it just while on holidays?

Does anyone really believe they left their children alone night after night? I certainly do not. I believe Dianne Webster was there for the purpose of sharing baby sitting duties. If the entire group of 9 are willing to admit to child neglect as a 'Best Case Scenario' I shudder to think what the real truth is.

palm tree wrote:Has there ever been a case where a parent was responsible for the death of their child and did not answer police questions? What I mean is, if a parent was responsible, did any refuse to answer? If they weren't involved, they'd answer and if they were involved, they'd answer as not to raise suspicion? In this case, abduction was claimed by the parents, and KM still didn't answer the police questions! 
IMO

jeanmonroe wrote:

palm tree wrote:Has there ever been a case where a parent was responsible for the death of their child and did not answer police questions? What I mean is, if a parent was responsible, did any refuse to answer? If they weren't involved, they'd answer and if they were involved, they'd answer as not to raise suspicion? In this case, abduction was claimed by the parents, and KM still didn't answer the police questions! 
IMO

And if that wasn't 'bad' enough.................

Here we have the mother of the 'missing' child, Madeleine, on record, saying she was 'GLAD' the investigation into her daughter's 'disappearance' was CLOSED!

And just to confirm her 'view' about the investigation into her daughter's 'disappearance' we have her again, saying on record and video, 'whether the case (into her daughter, Madeleine, 'disappearance') is re-opened, or NOT, it dosen't MATTER'

I wonder how many 'relatives' of 'missing' people, she is an 'ambassador' for, share her 'views'?

"GLAD" their relative/s 'missing cases' were closed and it 'dosen't matter' if nobody is 'looking' out for THEIR 'missing' relatives.

worriedmum wrote:'What do you mean you woke up?'


as opposed to

' What woke you up?'


Subtly different questions and a different emphasis on time-scale IMO

MumofTwo wrote:Hi,
I very rarely post (mainly because I tend to read this forum at work) but I do lurk daily.
The article that PeterMac sent in was very interesting.
I come from a law enforcement background, from a government branch that requires officers to make "snap judgements" on people, after very little face to face contact so my instincts of 'guilty' indicators are strongly honed through a combination of training and expereince. The behaviour of the McCanns, from Day One, sent alarm bells ringing in my head, it was totally incongruous to any behaviour I had ever witnessed by people who had nothing to hide.
The quotes above intrigue me, as they depict a very different Gerry McCann from the ice-cold, together, calculating type we recognise from the media.
Do you think it this "praying like an Arab" to be consistent with what we have seen since?
It just doesn't add up!
 I wonder if the McC's, very early on, sensed the GNR's incredulity at their behaviour (which, at the time, K & G may have considered to be 'appropriate' to the scenario), and hence Mrs and Mrs McC changed tack shortly after, swinging from one extreme of reaction to the next....
Just a thought...

dhpaul wrote:Its interesting that at the top of this website page the McCanns lawyer suggests that 90% of the Portuguese population believe they were connected to the disappearance.  Does anyone have any thoughts as to what the corresponding figure is in the UK?

noseyparker wrote:

dhpaul wrote:Its interesting that at the top of this website page the McCanns lawyer suggests that 90% of the Portuguese population believe they were connected to the disappearance.  Does anyone have any thoughts as to what the corresponding figure is in the UK?

If all the facts and evidence where known to the public here I,d say the same as Portugal .Thats why they sued everybody who disagreed with their version of events

j.rob wrote:

I think that there was a last-minute 'disaster'. Someone or several people pulled out of the McScam at the last minute. This is not unconnected, imo, with the alleged encounter between TV director Jez Wilkins and Gerry McCann outside apartment 5A at shortly after 9pm. When Gerry had allegedly checked his children and all THREE were fine, or so he claims. Which probably means they weren't, imo.

The Mcs are prostrating themselves because they have literally been landed in it right up to their necks. It is that simple, imo. They are praying for their very lives.