Steve Allen LBC 2nd December 2014 Discussing Mccann case

by Guest 02.12.14 21:25

Steve Allen on LBC 2nd December 2014 talking about Mccann case

Nick Ferrari with you at 8.30am this morning as its revealed the Met.Police have spent nearly 8 million pounds on investigating Madeleine's Mccann's disappearance so far, you could be asking is it worth the money.

Marie says its unfair to parents of other children who have gone missing who have not had this publicity spent finding their children, they must feel resentful toward the Mccanns. The money should have been shared on all the missing cases.

I have said this before and I don't think I'm alone on it, I think everybody else is thinking exactly the same. If you were a parent and you lose a child no amount of money can ever compensate you know that search goes on because you don't ever give up hope, you can't. If you're a parent you just can't do it. whether you like the Mccanns or you can't stand them is neither here nor there, it's still a parent who has lost a child. I admit, we have all admitted this freely and they admitted it that they shouldn't have gone off and left the kids alone by themselves, it's not like they were in the flat next door, they were a good walk away in a restaurant enjoying themselves while the kids were in an unlocked room by themselves. I mean nobody knows what went on who knows. You weren't there, I wasn't there You can only hazard a guess that children wake up in the middle of the night, they're half asleep you know they wander off thinking they can find the toilet they can't find the toilet you know you don't know, you do not know because we weren't there.

I have to be honest when it gets to 8 million pounds investigating one child's disappearance it does seem a little bit rum for all the other people who have lost children. thousands go missing every year, they don't get any profile at all and yet the family that effectively dumped their daughter in the bedroom and left her there you know everybody knows it, if you are a family you take the kids with you whether they are asleep or not, you stick them in their prams or push chairs or they fall asleep at the table that's what it is, that's part of growing up, you educate them from an early age how to behave in a restaurant, you don't just leave them in a room you just really don't.

So but they're paying the price so you know for them they were very lucky they're a very middle class family, they're doctors and they managed to get the Prime Minister involved, what could he do, he was kind of you know caught to ransom, it's a case of what you going to be doing about our daughter. Well we'll set up a special police force. They have been over there, they've scanned the ground, they come up with all sorts of things, nothing leads to nothing. Never had any leads nothing ever close to it, nothing ever close to it, they go you know how many times have we read headlines on this programme and I think on everybody else's programme on LBC you know suspects to be quizzed over Madeleine Mccann's disappearance and that's the last you hear of it because there are no leads. We don't know. We don't know the Police are barking up as many trees as we are. They have got no idea anyway, they go over there take special dogs who are trained to sniff out I think at one point didn't we have a short while ago a lake where somebody said look that's where her body is she's in the lake, have they done anything about it , nope. If she was in the lake she's been there for seven years, I wouldn't have thought there would be much left so what are they working on. I mean the last time the Police went over to Portugal I thought they indicated they were looking for a body so they have almost accepted the fact that she not alive but they don't know, you can't just sort of say to the McCanns or anybody else who has lost a child um we think she is dead so we are not going to do anything else. You can't do that. if you were a parent you would want it exactly the same as what they've got. They are very lucky and I imagine they probably appreciate the fact they are very lucky because we all know who Madeleine McCann is but bet you don't know the names of any other thousands of children who go missing every year. You haven't got any idea have you. Yet their parents are sitting at home waiting hopefully for a knock on the door or a phone call to say mum I'm coming home. You know the Mccanns get all the high profile stuff in the papers. All these other parents get nothing. Nothing at all , they are almost like they are the forgotten children. The children that go missing and nobody gives a toss about.

The only thing and Nick will be saying it this morning you know have we actually achieved anything. 8 million pounds has been spent. There is a special dedicated force practically a team for Madeleine Mccann, why not all the other children. Why don't they get it, they in many cases were abducted, why can't they do something about them. Why are we trying to find a child we've got no idea what she looks like now. I mean she might have been taken you don't know, as I said she might have been taken by somebody it could be anything like that. She might have gone out into the road, she might have been knocked down by a car, somebody might have panicked, they might have buried her, who knows, you do not know. We have no idea and probably if I live to be 55 I'll still be wondering about you know whatever happened to Madeleine McCann and they'll go Madeleine McCann would have been 18 today, you're going to get that every year, they are going to go this is what she would have looked like and you know but it doesn't matter. They always say that if you don't find a child within about a week of them going missing there's very little chance of actually finding them because normally by that time they've been clues in this case in Madeleine McCann's case there are no clues. what are the clues, they haven't found any clothing, it's not like they could say here is an item of clothing that we know she was wearing on the night she disappeared because she was in her little pyjamas I would have thought and they have found nothing, they've searched storm drains, this is seven years ago. This is seven years ago I just don't, you know whilst you don't give up home you can't help feeling sometimes you know that is just not happening at all I'm afraid. Not happening, we are nowhere nearer and we've spent 8 million pounds, it's a lot of money to spend and then any amount of money is a lot of money to spend isn't it.

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Somebody says if the Mccanns had been Sharon and Steve a working class couple from a Council estate they would have been charged with neglect and the other children taken into care. I may not have a university degree but I know never to leave children alone, it's not rocket science.

That's what everybody seems to be saying but I still insist if you were the Mccanns you'd be thinking thank God we've got a profile and they've given us this money. I've asked the question before how long how long do you keep spending this sort of money. Nick Ferrari will probably ask this question this morning how much longer do we keep spending money looking for Madeleine McCann or do we get to that stage in a year's time where we go we are closing down the Department we are just not going to find anything. You have to accept, bearing in mind 8 million its cost us so far but they've already spent a few million, haven't they had a few well meaning businessmen put money into the find Madeleine Mccann Fund and I think that's a few million pounds as well so probably about 10-12 million by now to look for this child and we haven't found her, we are no nearer to finding her, we have no clues, we have nothing they might interview a few paedophiles but then why would you assume that the person who took her was a paedophile. Why would it just not be a childless couple why would it not be the case that she wandered off by herself and got knocked down or it could be anything could be absolutely anything.

We have no idea, we don't we have nothing we have the blank canvas now that we had seven years ago you know I just don't know how much longer we keep pumping money into it, does this go on forever, do we always say right we are still going to be looking for Madeleine McCann when she is like 25 or 30 cos I just don't think about it, I just don't think that we are actually going to find her, it would be lovely to think that we would but I just don't think we will.

J says I would like to say about the Mccanns if it was myself I would be questioned and ridiculed for leaving my kids of that age alone and maybe prosecuted as its illegal.

I have to stop you there on that bit I don't know they can be prosecuted here for something that happened in Portugal, that would be up to the Portuguese authorities wouldn't it. I think it's ever the case where you can prosecute it's like going to America and going you left your child home alone and we're going to prosecute you, you can't, it didn't take place in this country. I mean I absolutely agree that you don't leave children alone ever but we don't know they might have done that before they might have been doing that every single day of the holiday, I don't know, I've go no idea, I wasn't with them on the camp site, I just know in the case of my God children I wouldn't dream of leaving them alone even when we went on holiday you know it's a case of one is eating for dinner we're all eating for dinner, no I'm just going to sit in the cabin, not its all get yourself ready come on even if you're in a bad mood and you're sulking your still coming for dinner.

Another one here says the Mccanns have spent large amounts of money in court to silence anyone who questions their account of the incident. If Madeline had gone missing in the UK there would have been a full Press Conference which we never got. this may have helped some people become better informed.

Yes at the end of the day they're still going to carry on wanting to look for her, if somebody else is paying for it why would you..... I can't remember what happened to that case, that policeman who wrote a book in Portugal who basically had defamed them by saying it was their fault . In theory in a roundabout way yes had they not gone off that night that child would still be sitting there on her bed or back here in this country but they didn't and you can't turn back the hands of time. But he was saying he thought they were responsible, how on earth that happens I have no idea but they go over there to go to court, she's got that pained expression on her face all the time, I mean you just think at some time in their life, they're going to want to smile but I don't think it's just yet I think its a long way off.

by kinell 02.12.14 21:40

Cherry wrote:
Steve Allen on LBC 2nd December 2014 talking about Mccann case

but they go over there to go to court, she's got that pained expression on her face all the time, I mean you just think at some time in their life, they're going to want to smile but I don't think it's just yet I think its a long way off.

I think he must be taking the p!ss hysterical

by Julchen 02.12.14 22:26

I listened to his show this morning (as most mornings) and thought "gosh, he's having a go at them!"
I heard him say something about leaving kids alone, and that they (with his now nearly grown up god-children) would never have done that, rather have the kids sleep in the pram next to the table, before.
But today he really worked himself up.
Loved it!
Love the show, anyway.

Jule

by whatsupdoc 02.12.14 22:41

No mention of the PJ findings or the dogs.

He obviously hasn't seen the picture of the McCanns laughing their socks off outside the church on Madeleine's birthday just over a week after she disappeared.

The whole affair is a smack in the face to all the poor parents who have had children go missing through no fault of their own and minimum resources put into finding them.

by Liz Eagles 02.12.14 22:50

whatsupdoc wrote:No mention of the PJ findings or the dogs.

He obviously hasn't seen the picture of the McCanns laughing their socks off outside the church on Madeleine's birthday just over a week after she disappeared.

The whole affair is a smack in the face to all the poor parents who have had children go missing through no fault of their own and minimum resources put into finding them.

Take a look at Missing People's annual conference (there have been two of them)where they invite guest speakers (Chief Constable's working on a weekend!) and upto and including those involved boast about 100 attendees.

The first conference produced nothing more than a meagre handful of photos of the hoi polloi watching some sort of plant a tree effort by Jo Youles and a few dignatories.

I'll leave everyone to make up their own mind. I doubt the first conference even exists on the Missing People website anymore.

by Brian Griffin 02.12.14 22:51

Let's have a 'visual' to ram the fact home. I think this is the picture:

Steve Allen LBC 2nd December 2014 Discussing Mccann case Mccanns12may2007

I really don't know how they can!

(In my opinion, of course!)

by jeanmonroe 03.12.14 1:07

After Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession was aired on 18th November 2014, i 'caught' Phillip Schofield saying on the 19th, giving a 'preview' of what was coming up on This Morning, during an ad break on J Kyle, that 'we'll be talking to David Entwistle, Daniel Entwistle's father about the difference in treatment his family got compared to the McCann's'

Guess what?

Surprise, surprise,............ NOT, the 'item' with David Entwistle was 'PULLED' PDQ!

Never 'broadcasted'!

I've written to ITV about this and surprise, surprise, i've got NO 'reply'!

Well Schofield and ITV won't be able to 'dodge THAT bullet' much longer.........hopefully!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-ben-needham-family-bid-4729694

And, the 'irony ' of 'ironies' is that ITV 'report on this', online!

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2014-12-01/needham-family-to-take-legal-action-against-government-for-inquiry-funding-delay/

WHY do families of other 'missing' children get 'nothing' and the McCann's, who, don't forget, diliberately and consciously LEFT their THREE children, all under four years old, ALONE, out of sight, in an unlocked holiday apartment get 'EVERYTHING' they ask for from the government of the day?

AS Kerry Needham says in the video 'we know there's 'funding' for McCann's, WHY not US too?'

Yes, Cameron and May, WHY is there NOT 'unlimited funding' for OTHER 'missing' kids 'investigations'?

by Brian Griffin 03.12.14 3:49

If the answers to those questions ever come out, I imagine we'll all be glued to our screens in amazement or shock.

In my opinion.

by Okeydokey 03.12.14 4:10

kinell wrote:
Cherry wrote:
Steve Allen on LBC 2nd December 2014 talking about Mccann case

but they go over there to go to court, she's got that pained expression on her face all the time, I mean you just think at some time in their life, they're going to want to smile but I don't think it's just yet I think its a long way off.

I think he must be taking the p!ss

Taking the piss, after extracting the urine and removing the liquid waste products. :)

by Julchen 03.12.14 9:22

Oops. he did it again!
This morning!

Perhaps somebody with a Twitter account could send him relevant pics mentioned above?

@steveallenshow

I haven't got an account and don't want one but it might be worth sending him some stuff

Jule

by jeanmonroe 03.12.14 10:13

Julchen wrote:Oops. he did it again!
This morning!

Perhaps somebody with a Twitter account could send him relevant pics mentioned above?

@steveallenshow

I haven't got an account and don't want one but it might be worth sending him some stuff

Jule

I'd love to send him all the 'sad' photo's but 'sadly' i've only got photo's of them SMILING/GRINNING 'ear to ear'

STARTING from just days after ttheir daughter went 'missing' 7 1/2 YEARS ago!

by Brian Griffin 03.12.14 10:37

Link him to that Youtube one of Gerry laughing on a balcony too, just so he can't say the photos were posed for.

Oh dear! Gerry and Kate won't like this at all. Not only did the S&S book scam fail miserably, and their attempt to attack the 'trolls' end so badly, now they've got to share the missing child media limelight with somebody else. And if Ben's mum means business as much as it looks as though she means business, there'll be a lot of awkward questions asked too, I would imagine.

In my opinion.

by Liz Eagles 03.12.14 10:40

Brian Griffin wrote:Link him to that Youtube one of Gerry laughing on a balcony too, just so he can't say the photos were posed for.

Oh dear! Gerry and Kate won't like this at all. Not only did the S&S book scam fail miserably, and their attempt to attack the 'trolls' end so badly, now they've got to share the missing child media limelight with somebody else. And if Ben's mum means business as much as it looks as though she means business, there'll be a lot of awkward questions asked too, I would imagine.

In my opinion.

There's a little part of me that thinks Kerry Needham is being used/manipulated.

by jeanmonroe 03.12.14 12:21

aquila wrote:
Brian Griffin wrote:Link him to that Youtube one of Gerry laughing on a balcony too, just so he can't say the photos were posed for.

Oh dear! Gerry and Kate won't like this at all. Not only did the S&S book scam fail miserably, and their attempt to attack the 'trolls' end so badly, now they've got to share the missing child media limelight with somebody else. And if Ben's mum means business as much as it looks as though she means business, there'll be a lot of awkward questions asked too, I would imagine.

In my opinion.
There's a little part of me that thinks Kerry Needham is being used/manipulated.

AND April Jones' mum, Coral.

However, we know wee April WAS 'abducted'

We know NOTHING of the sort that Madeleine 'WAS ABDUCTED'

Certainly, a £10+million 3 1/2 YEARS, FULL TIME, 'MET 'investigation' by 38 UK police 'staff' and a PJ 'investigation' have not provided/produced a scintilla of 'evidence' that an 'abduction' EVER took place, BY ANYONE, on 3rd May 2007, FROM apartment G5A, OC, PDL, Portugal..

ONLY her parents, 2 people, the LAST people to 'SEE' her, 'ALIVE',............ 'SAY SO'!

Incidentally, when did the McCann's ever NOT 'use' other people's 'tragedy' to be 'manipulated' for their 'own ends'?

by j.rob 03.12.14 13:03

Incidentally, when did the McCann's ever NOT 'use' other people's 'tragedy' to be 'manipulated' for their 'own ends'?

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Quite so. They are a couple of swindlers, imo. Con artists and their friends and acolytes must be too otherwise they would not support them. Their very presence must produce some kind of bad odour, so great are their lies. That's my view at any rate.

I do find it quite telling how they are making very few public appearances, though. And when stories appear in the press about the McCanns the public responses are nearly all negative. Overwhelmingly negative. In actual fact, they were even at the very beginning.

Even the tragic April Jones case was not a random mystery abductor. The man who was found guilty of her murder was well known to her and there were even complicated extended family links. So statistically it fell into the category of a parental/family abduction. And was not the far rarer kind of abduction by a total stranger.

This is what is so weird about this case. It is just so obvious that Madeleine was not abducted by a complete stranger. There are so many signs and clues and red flags that her parents are involved on one level of another. And some of the friends (in particular the Tapas crowd but imo Jez Wilkins is implicated on one level or another in the McScam) helped to cover up what happened.

Their lies are so obvious. I just don't understand how they can have sustained this hoax for so long.

by jeanmonroe 03.12.14 15:12

I just don't understand how they can have sustained this hoax for so long.
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Because DCI Mahogany is 'following/obeying(?) orders' from BHH, his ultimate BOSS, who was associated with a balloon launch, in 2007, with all proceeds going to the McCann's (later to be arguidoed) PRIVATE Ltd Company, Madeleine's Fund, when he was Chief Constable on Merseyside?

BHH is hardly 'likely' to 'order' police officers, to have people, he raised money for, to be 'investigated' is he?

His 'support' for the McCann's started in 2007!

And that, imo, is HOW this 'hoax' has been sustained for so long!

But, like all their 'supporters' who have 'lost' their positions in life, 'another McCann 'supporter' bites the dust' syndrome, and there has been 'many' whilst they still 'swan around', until BHH has 'lost' his job, and very likely, as Met Police 'scandals' grow, almost daily, under his 'watch', besides all the things he's personally 'involved' in, (SDS, Hillsbrough, Lawrence etc.,) and a new 'broom' bought in, we'll not see anything new to this 'case'.

Meanwhile, "THE 'SHOW' MUST GO ON!"

by plebgate 03.12.14 15:53

Didn't BHH say that the Met weren't happy about doing the review to start with?

by j.rob 03.12.14 16:06

jeanmonroe wrote:I just don't understand how they can have sustained this hoax for so long.
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Because DCI Mahogany is 'following/obeying(?) orders' from BHH, his ultimate BOSS, who was associated with a balloon launch, in 2007, with all proceeds going to the McCann's (later to be arguidoed) PRIVATE Ltd Company, Madeleine's Fund, when he was Chief Constable on Merseyside?

BHH is hardly 'likely' to 'order' police officers, to have people, he raised money for, to be 'investigated' is he?

His 'support' for the McCann's started in 2007!

And that, imo, is HOW this 'hoax' has been sustained for so long!

But, like all their 'supporters' who have 'lost' their positions in life, 'another McCann 'supporter' bites the dust' syndrome, and there has been 'many' whilst they still 'swan around', until BHH has 'lost' his job, and very likely, as Met Police 'scandals' grow, almost daily, under his 'watch', besides all the things he's personally 'involved' in, (SDS, Hillsbrough, Lawrence etc.,) and a new 'broom' bought in, we'll not see anything new to this 'case'.

Meanwhile, "THE 'SHOW' MUST GO ON!"

What a disgrace.

by Realist 05.12.14 0:37

Anyone who is of the belief that the McCann's daughter went missing because they were negligent and left her alone in the apt. must by default, also believe that she was kidnapped by a stranger.

by LombardySkeptik 05.12.14 2:32

Realist wrote:Anyone who is of the belief that the McCann's daughter went missing because they were negligent and left her alone in the apt. must by default, also believe that she was kidnapped by a stranger.

Well.....not necessarily....... for obvious reasons

by Realist 05.12.14 13:59

LombardySkeptik wrote:

Well.....not necessarily....... for obvious reasons

'Obvious reasons,' perhaps you could clarify these 'obvious reasons.' For anyone to believe that the McCanns daughter went missing between the timeline of 8.30 pm and 10.0 pm without a kidnapping being involved, they would have to believe the following.

1/ That Madelaine woke up and accidentally met with a fatal accident, or had died of a drug overdose since their departure to the Tapas bar.

2//That one of the McCanns returned to the apt. found her dead and rushed back to the Tapas bar to inform the other, whereupon in the presence of their friends they decided to dispose of her body whilst at the same time concocting a phoney kidnapping story.

3/Dispose of her body in such a methodical way that it would never be discovered in an area that not only were they unfamiliar with, but lacked any form of transport to convey the body any great distance. Clean up the apt. so meticulously that the police were unable to find any traces of Madelaine ever having been there.

That's an awful lot of occurrences to transpire and decisions to be taken in 90 mins. at best. This of course also negates the dog's scentings, because there wouldn't have been enough time for the amount of decompositon in order for the dogs to pick up on any cadaver odour. Maybe everything was speeded up like one of those old Charlie Chaplin movies.

by Liz Eagles 05.12.14 14:26

Realist wrote:
LombardySkeptik wrote:

Well.....not necessarily....... for obvious reasons

'Obvious reasons,' perhaps you could clarify these 'obvious reasons.' For anyone to believe that the McCanns daughter went missing between the timeline of 8.30 pm and 10.0 pm without a kidnapping being involved, they would have to believe the following.

1/ That Madelaine woke up and accidentally met with a fatal accident, or had died of a drug overdose since their departure to the Tapas bar.

2//That one of the McCanns returned to the apt. found her dead and rushed back to the Tapas bar to inform the other, whereupon in the presence of their friends, they decided to dispose of her body whilst at the same time concocting a phoney kidnapping story.

3/Dispose of her body in such a methodical way that it would never be discovered in an area that not only were they unfamiliar with, but lacked any form of transport to convey the body any great distance. Clean up the apt. so meticulously that the police were unable to find any traces of Madelaine ever having been there.

That's an awful lot of occurrences to transpire and decisions to be taken in 90 mins. at best. This of course also negates the dog's scentings, because there wouldn't have been enough time for the amount of decompositon in order for the dogs to pick up on any cadaver odour. Maybe everything was speeded up like one of those old Charlie Chaplin movies.

I don't agree with half of what you say here Realist, and I don't wish to enter into debate.

One thing I will say though is that dogs don't lie. Getting into the nitty gritty of timelines is obfuscation to a certain extent. The fact remains that two specialist dogs supplied by UK, with a previous 100% successful track record alerted to blood and cadaver scent in apartment 5A and other places.

Winters & Goose tried to fluff over it and so have a lot of people but the fact remains that dogs don't lie and no-one can tell me that Martin Grime fixed the dog search.

Martin Grime was swiftly moved on and the FSS was closed down too - after a bit of carefully constructed negativity about corrupted DNA samples. The FSS was a world leader in DNA analysis and no longer exists. Winters & Goose had a field day wiping over that.

Just my opinion.

by plebgate 05.12.14 14:32

Mr. Grime knew that both he and the dogs were being recorded so why on earth would he "fix the search".

My comment not "at" aquila but in agreement with this from her post:

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Winters & Goose tried to fluff over it and so have a lot of people but the fact remains that dogs don't lie and no-one can tell me that Martin Grime fixed the dog search."

My opinion of course. Well of course it's my opinion - why do we keep having to post that? I am in such a habit now I find I can't stop.

by Liz Eagles 05.12.14 14:38

plebgate wrote:Mr. Grime knew that both he and the dogs were being recorded so why on earth would he "fix the search".

My comment not "at" aquila but in agreement with this from her post:

"
Winters & Goose tried to fluff over it and so have a lot of people but the fact remains that dogs don't lie and no-one can tell me that Martin Grime fixed the dog search."

My opinion of course. Well of course it's my opinion - why do we keep having to post that? I am in such a habit now I find I can't stop.

If ever Clarrie were to 'PR' for someone and needed dogs to prove they were innocent we'd have a whole different view on the reliability of these fantastic dogs.

If you really, really want to rattle things let the dogs out.

by j.rob 05.12.14 14:41

LombardySkeptik wrote:
Realist wrote:Anyone who is of the belief that the McCann's daughter went missing because they were negligent and left her alone in the apt. must by default, also believe that she was kidnapped by a stranger.

Well.....not necessarily....... for obvious reasons

Not really. She could have been removed from the apartment by someone they knew or were acquainted with. Either with their knowledge or without. I don't for one minute think the McCanns and their friends are not involved with what happened to her. But I am simply suggesting that just because Madeleine was left alone it does not necessarily mean that the supposed 'abductor' would have to have been a stranger.

Especially if their friends, acquaintances, other guests in the resort, staff at the OC and even people who were not staying in the resort but who were dining there, as, according to Kate, the receptionist had written in the bookings register that anyone could have seen at reception that the McCanns and their friends were leaving the children in their apartments and checking on them.

So, theoretically, whoever 'abducted' Madeleine could have been one any of the above. Or a friend or accomplice of any of the above.

by plebgate 05.12.14 14:44

aquila wrote:
plebgate wrote:Mr. Grime knew that both he and the dogs were being recorded so why on earth would he "fix the search".

My comment not "at" aquila but in agreement with this from her post:

"
Winters & Goose tried to fluff over it and so have a lot of people but the fact remains that dogs don't lie and no-one can tell me that Martin Grime fixed the dog search."

My opinion of course. Well of course it's my opinion - why do we keep having to post that? I am in such a habit now I find I can't stop.
If ever Clarrie were to 'PR' for someone and needed dogs to prove they were innocent we'd have a whole different view on the reliability of these fantastic dogs.

If you really, really want to rattle things let the dogs out.

Yes and wasn't it British police who suggested letting the dogs out?

by Realist 05.12.14 17:54

aquila wrote:

One thing I will say though is that dogs don't lie. Getting into the nitty gritty of timelines is obfuscation to a certain extent. The fact remains that two specialist dogs supplied by UK, with a previous 100% successful track record alerted to blood and cadaver scent in apartment 5A and other places.

Winters & Goose tried to fluff over it and so have a lot of people but the fact remains that dogs don't lie and no-one can tell me that Martin Grime fixed the dog search.

Martin Grime was swiftly moved on and the FSS was closed down too - after a bit of carefully constructed negativity about corrupted DNA samples. The FSS was a world leader in DNA analysis and no longer exists. Winters & Goose had a field day wiping over that.

Just my opinion.

I totally agree with you on the dog's findings and I don't dispute that the McCann's daughter died in the apt. and her body was disposed of, but not on the night of the 5th May between 8.30 pm and 10. pm. There just wasn't time for the type of serious decisions required to be made, let alone carried out.

I don't give any credence to the fact that Madelaine McCann died as a result of being left alone in the apt, it is my belief that she was dead and her body disposed of before the McCanns left for the Tapas bar. The very conception of Gerry or a kidnapper wandering the streets of Praia Du Luz openly carrying either a corpse or reluctant captive is positively pythonesque. I also don't believe that the McCann's received any direct assistance with disposing of the body, had this been the case, they wouldn't display the confidence and arrogance that they appear to have. When your friend becomes your foe, around the world your secrets go.

by j.rob 05.12.14 18:12

Realist wrote:
aquila wrote:

One thing I will say though is that dogs don't lie. Getting into the nitty gritty of timelines is obfuscation to a certain extent. The fact remains that two specialist dogs supplied by UK, with a previous 100% successful track record alerted to blood and cadaver scent in apartment 5A and other places.

Winters & Goose tried to fluff over it and so have a lot of people but the fact remains that dogs don't lie and no-one can tell me that Martin Grime fixed the dog search.

Martin Grime was swiftly moved on and the FSS was closed down too - after a bit of carefully constructed negativity about corrupted DNA samples. The FSS was a world leader in DNA analysis and no longer exists. Winters & Goose had a field day wiping over that.

Just my opinion.
I totally agree with you on the dog's findings and I don't dispute that the McCann's daughter died in the apt. and her body was disposed of, but not on the night of the fifth May between 8.30 pm and 10. pm. There just wasn't time for the type of serious decisions required to be made, let alone carried out.

I don't give any credence to the fact that Madelaine McCann died as a result of being left alone in the apt, it is my belief that she was dead and her body disposed of before the McCanns left for the Tapas bar. The very conception of Gerry or a kidnapper wandering the streets of Praia Du Luz openly carrying either a corpse or reluctant captive is positively pythonesque. I also don't believe that the McCann's received any direct assistance with disposing of the body, had this been the case, they wouldn't display the confidence and arrogance that they appear to have. When your friend becomes your foe, around the world your secrets go.

This is what makes 'Smith-man' so frustrating.

If he was real - WHO WAS HE?

If he was made up - WHY?

I think I can think of more answers to the second question than the first. As if Smith-man was just an innocent father carrying his sleeping daughter, he would have come forward to police.

But the FACT remains that Team McCann are keen to suggest that Tanner-man and Smith-man are one and the same. So that provides evidence that Team McCann do not want Smith-man to be an unrelated sighing to Tanner-man. (Whereas, according to Kate in her book, "police appear to have considered these sightings to be unrelated on the basis of the forty-five minute gap between them.")

Which suggests, at the least, that the McCanns are very keen indeed to promote the theory that Tanner-man stole Madeleine from her bed at 9.15pm.

And most definitely did not steal her at 10pm

It might suggest other things too. But it is undeniable that Team McCann are very keen to promote a 9.15pm 'abduction'. I wonder why this precise time is so important to them?

by Realist 06.12.14 2:51

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j.rob wrote:

Which suggests, at the least, that the McCanns are very keen indeed to promote the theory that Tanner-man stole Madeleine from her bed at 9.15pm.

I would think, Rob, that the McCanns would be keen to promote the theory that someone, anyone, took their daughter regardless of the time. There's a time honoured American criminal defence strategy AOEBM. (Anyone else but me.)

With ref. to my previous posting, I meant of course May 3rd, as opposed to the 5th. Heaven forbid I should give Aquila further cause to accuse me of being an 'eejit'

by Liz Eagles 06.12.14 2:59

Realist wrote:I meant of course in my previous posting, May 3rd. as opposed to May 5th. Heaven forbid I should give further cause for Aquila to classify me as an 'eejit.'