Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Gollum wrote:@ nobodythereeither

Admirable sentiments in tenor but hardly realistic.  You only need to look briefly at the massive paedophile scandal that's permeated the UK over decades, involving evil people within all the government establishments that are supposed to represent, support and protect the great British public, in particular children.

Have you ever thought there could be a connection here?

Sceptic wrote:I cant see how this can be whitewashed 1) its atotally different government to when maddie went missing

I have faith in redwoods statement las year

Mr Redwood said the 35-strong Yard team is concentrating on what exactly happened when Madeleine vanished from apartment 5a of the Ocean Club complex at Praia da Luz on the Algarve on May 3, 2007.
“The process is like peeling back layers of an onion,” he said.
“Every hour of our time is designed to get information on the core moment of what happened.”


The question how many over the outer layers have been discarded and how near are they to the core

margaret wrote:Because it makes a lot of sense to add 37 officers to those who already know this case is a farce, any one of whom at any time could go to the papers, write a blog, put it on social media....

And l really don't believe you could not let 37 police officers involved in OP.Grange not know the tapas statements and what work has been done on them to rule them out. Come on!

If the Mccanns are culpable The only way they'll escape justice is if there's still not enough evidence to charge.

Just my thoughts.

Mirage wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Atomic Peanut wrote:

Pershing36 wrote:Surely the officers can only process the information they have been given access to or are allowed access too?

Are you suggesting that individual officers aren't the given the authority to think for themselves - ie "outside the box"?

I don't know of any professional detective who wouldn't use the crime scene (presumably, though not necessarily, 5A) as the starting point rather than a catalogue of dodgy people who have potentially committed vaguely related offences. The rest comes later.

With 37 detectives on board, it would only take one to ask the question "why don't we start at 5A and piece the story together in the right direction rather than back-to-front?"

And I'm sure that's what all 37 of them have done, despite what we've read in the media.

Because that's what detectives do.

@ Atomic Peanut

May I sugest you get fully educated about the extent of police corruption in the UK in recent decades before trying to repeatedly insist that all British detectives are honest.

Ahd here's six words to think about:

Hamish Campbell Barry Bulsara Operation Grange

The changing political landscape is the only hope for this country. You only have to dig the tiniest bit now to find this country is routinely fed lies with a smattering of truth to create a veneer of authenticity. The authenticity is the bait that lures you down false paths. It is no accident that  Google will eventually remove records of wrongdoing. Orwellian stuff with the little bit of authenticity (personal choice) to help the pill go down.

ChippyM wrote:

della70 wrote:According to The Sun is days away .http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5644494/Maddie-arrests-days-away-in-huge-cop-search-in-Portugal.html

I wonder who their source is for that as they state 'arrests days away'.  So are they digging or arresting...or both?!

   I'm 99.9% sure it's proberbly rubbish though.

nobodythereeither wrote:The poster talked of their being called Kate and Gerry "today". This is what was said:

utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."


My post was obviously in response to that, since I referred to the Met's website - which reports the most recent press briefing, or whatever it was.

I am not talking about - or interested in - what they may have been called in the past. I am interested in what they are being referred to at the moment by the police officers connected to the investigation now.

ETA: I posted the link to the Met piece elsewhere on this forum, when I made this point earlier, but I can't find it now.

ETA: I found it:

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No mention of "Kate and Gerry" there. They are clearly and publicly referred to as "Mr and Mrs McCann".

PeterMac wrote:Assume for a moment that there are going to be some "digs".
Assume that those digs are going to be anywhere within the precincts of PdL.
This must provide the clearest indication so far that Grange do NOT accept that Madeleine could possibly have been abducted between 9pm and 10pm 3/5/7
It provides the clearest indication to TM (and the T7 and C-R ) that they do not accept a word of what they said.
And that they believe that whoever was responsible for the disposal had ample opportunity and time to do so.

I'm with you that the dig won't be anywhere within precincts of PdL.  On their timeline it just impossible for abduction to have happened, or burial job around the precincts.  
I believe Maddie must have died earlier than 3rd and was taken away inside the blue bag by Gerry alone for disposal during daylight of 3rd way.  He must have dumped the body in a safe distance from search team and search dogs before they raised the alarm.



(and to spell it out for the pro-child-neglecters who stalk the site - THERE WAS NO TIME TO DIG A GRAVE in the McCanns' time line.  You cannot move half a tonne of soil, let alone bedrock, between the time of Gerry's last sighting and the balloon going up. Quite apart from waiting for the Cadaverine to develop to the point where it can be detected )

Now assume that the "digs" are going to take place some little way outside PdL.
The same argument surely applies.
By the following morning there was at least one helicopter fluttering around, the hills were alive with the sound of PJ, we even have film of them patrolling the immediately surrounding hills on horses.


I agree.
She must have been taken to quite some distance away outside PdL.
Likely to an isolated hilly area with gully / ditch where she was half-buried-half-hidden without aid of a digging tool.  

I believe the evening men's only tennis was just a ruse to give Gerry alibi; at the same time the Tennis ground was used as meeting place for them - for Gerry to update the men on his solo trip out of the resort that day, as well as to finalise plan for rota-check charade, as the neglect creates the alibi for the abduction. I also believe Kate's beach jog was used to signal to the friends that Gerry was back from his dumping trip and that they can head back for the men's tennis evening tennis (first and last time).  
 

lj wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

della70 wrote:According to The Sun is days away .http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5644494/Maddie-arrests-days-away-in-huge-cop-search-in-Portugal.html

I wonder who their source is for that as they state 'arrests days away'.  So are they digging or arresting...or both?!

   I'm 99.9% sure it's proberbly rubbish though.

Who of those brilliant SY higher ups said a week or 3 ago they had the names of the suspects?

aiyoyo wrote:

lj wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

della70 wrote:According to The Sun is days away .http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5644494/Maddie-arrests-days-away-in-huge-cop-search-in-Portugal.html

I wonder who their source is for that as they state 'arrests days away'.  So are they digging or arresting...or both?!

   I'm 99.9% sure it's proberbly rubbish though.

Who of those brilliant SY higher ups said a week or 3 ago they had the names of the suspects?

Police Commissioner isn't it ?

aiyoyo wrote:
[color=#0066ff] [i]I agree.
She must have been taken to quite some distance away outside PdL.
Likely to an isolated hilly area with gully / ditch where she was half-buried-half-hidden without aid of a digging tool.  

daffodil wrote:Not being a frequent poster I really hesitate to ask but.......   From where could a person or persons get the tools to bury a body in a short time in that situation?

This is something that has always bothered me.  PM makes the point that the ground is unyielding and rocky thereabouts.   I have (with help) buried 3 beloved dogs in deeply dug graves, but it is backbreaking work and needed the appropriate tools.

Just a question I hope somebody can suggest an answer to.

Markus 2 wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:

lj wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

della70 wrote:According to The Sun is days away .http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5644494/Maddie-arrests-days-away-in-huge-cop-search-in-Portugal.html

I wonder who their source is for that as they state 'arrests days away'.  So are they digging or arresting...or both?!

   I'm 99.9% sure it's proberbly rubbish though.

Who of those brilliant SY higher ups said a week or 3 ago they had the names of the suspects?

Police Commissioner isn't it ?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] So no arrests  over here then

daffodil wrote:@  canada12

Oh I agree with PM that the body must have been kept, probably frozen somewhere, and disposed of at a later time.

The point I was raising was how does one get the tools to dig a grave whilst on holiday in a foreign country?   It cannot be done with a dessertspoon.
If the tools were purchased surely that could be traced?   Purchased and then disposed of I imagine.

margaret wrote:

daffodil wrote:@  canada12

Oh I agree with PM that the body must have been kept, probably frozen somewhere, and disposed of at a later time.

The point I was raising was how does one get the tools to dig a grave whilst on holiday in a foreign country?   It cannot be done with a dessertspoon.
If the tools were purchased surely that could be traced?   Purchased and then disposed of I imagine.

You would purchase them in cash though, and use a shop in a small village hopefully without CCTV.  And if you saw a spade or pickaxe abandoned in the countryside you could assume it had fallen off a van or it was the land owners.

PeterMac wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:
[color=#0066ff] [i]I agree.
She must have been taken to quite some distance away outside PdL.
Likely to an isolated hilly area with gully / ditch where she was half-buried-half-hidden without aid of a digging tool.  

Or to a freezer. Far safer than half buried.
Also some distance away from PdL.  But not very far.

And all done in the time it takes for a Ruptured Achilles Tendon to heal (with miraculous intervention )

Andrew77R wrote:I reckon Murat had access to the right tools.

Imo.

biggles wrote:@canada12, @daffodil

Maybe there is no body.. perhaps it was cremated? That would explain why gerry is so confident that the body will not be found. I'm sure I remember reading about a vetinary in the PDL area that the body could have been taken to for the purposes of cremation, or was that discounted? Did I imagine that maybe? Agree with the freezer hypothesis.

aiyoyo wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:
[color=#0066ff] [i]I agree.
She must have been taken to quite some distance away outside PdL.
Likely to an isolated hilly area with gully / ditch where she was half-buried-half-hidden without aid of a digging tool.  

Or to a freezer. Far safer than half buried.
Also some distance away from PdL.  But not very far.

And all done in the time it takes for a Ruptured Achilles Tendon to heal (with miraculous intervention )

Freezer means having to involve another person outside of the group.  
Very risky to involve outsider in such a secret.

biggles wrote:@canada12, @daffodil

Maybe there is no body.. perhaps it was cremated? That would explain why gerry is so confident that the body will not be found. I'm sure I remember reading about a vetinary in the PDL area that the body could have been taken to for the purposes of cremation, or was that discounted? Did I imagine that maybe? Agree with the freezer hypothesis.

lj wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:The poster talked of their being called Kate and Gerry "today". This is what was said:

utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."


My post was obviously in response to that, since I referred to the Met's website - which reports the most recent press briefing, or whatever it was.

I am not talking about - or interested in - what they may have been called in the past. I am interested in what they are being referred to at the moment by the police officers connected to the investigation now.

ETA: I posted the link to the Met piece elsewhere on this forum, when I made this point earlier, but I can't find it now.

ETA: I found it:

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No mention of "Kate and Gerry" there. They are clearly and publicly referred to as "Mr and Mrs McCann".

Ah, that's it. You convinced me, they will be arresting Kate & Gerry  uh the pathetic parents.

NickE wrote:
Someone,correct me if I'm wrong here, but I have in mind that Roman Catholics do not practice cremation? 

Tony Bennett wrote:@ Atomic Peanut

May I sugest you get fully educated about the extent of police corruption in the UK in recent decades before trying to repeatedly insist that all British detectives are honest.