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Post by Cristobell 23.04.14 19:17

Châtelaine wrote:IMO the NSY are not doing a whitewash and they cannot afford BTW. Yes, there are numerous examples of cover-up, but only because they have been discovered. IF they would do a whitewash now, this time, with the most famous criminal child disappearance in history since the Lindbergh baby, and be uncovered, they'd lose all of their credibility for all time!
I needed to read something like that, well said Chatelaine!  Its impossible of course.  When DCI Redwood mentioned Smellyman before, he did not connect him to the disappearance of Madeleine.  And it is not so long ago, he was focusing on the clean cut Smithman, who has no resemblance to Smellyman whatsoever, not least he was carrying a child that fitted Madeleine's description!

Even though it has been 7 years, when it reaches an end there will have to be a trial, and its a bit like the Highlander series, 'There can be only one'. Only one trial that is, and during that trial, the evidence of the dogs will scrutinized by expert witnesses, and experts may be called by the Prosecution and the Defence, so even if the Accused is indeed Smellyman, he will use the dogs' evidence in his defence.  

The only way SY can clear the McCanns would be by accusing the PJ of planting evidence, etc, etc, which could lead to all sorts of diplomatic incidents, if not war!
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 23.04.14 19:19

I really don't know what SY's game is but the timing of this 10 days before the anniversary is suspect. But even if this is the final stages of a whitewash it means nothing as its a Portuguese case.

I would love to hear proposals of how SY plan to present this whitewash (convincingly) to the public to justify the spending of millions of pounds of UK tax payers money.
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Post by Woofer 23.04.14 19:20

Tony Bennett wrote:
margaret wrote:
I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash.
* Operation Countryman

* Brinks Mat cover-up

* Operation Jackpot (corruption at Stoke Newington Police Station)

* Murder of Jean Charles de Menezes 21.7.2005

* Cover-up of 2002 Operation Tiberius internal reprot on widespread corruption in the Met (stories in the Independent this year, see separae thread on this forum)

* Five corrupt reviews spanning nearly 3 decades into the Daniel Morgan case (murdered in 1987, see also threads on this forum)

* Cover-up of serious corruption at Catford Police Station, south London

* 'Untouchables' pseudo-investigation into corruption in Rigg Approach Flying Squad

* Stephen Lawrence cover-up of corrupt relations between one of the murderer's father (a senior Met officer) and local 'drugs lords'

* John Wilson beating cover-up 1996-2002


We are not talking of millions pf £s spent in high-level Met Police cover-ups here, we are talking tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money being poured into senior Met police officers covering up their own incompetence and corruption.

And I've not even mentioned a series of provincial cover-ups, like Hillsborough...

An impressive list and are mostly the police covering up their own corrupt workings - but this cover up (if it is one) is about some other agency's corruption.

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Post by Guest 23.04.14 19:21

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
* Operation Countryman

* Brinks Mat cover-up

* Operation Jackpot (corruption at Stoke Newington Police Station)

* Murder of Jean Charles de Menezes 21.7.2005

* Cover-up of 2002 Operation Tiberius internal reprot on widespread corruption in the Met (stories in the Independent this year, see separae thread on this forum)

* Five corrupt reviews spanning nearly 3 decades into the Daniel Morgan case (murdered in 1987, see also threads on this forum)

* Cover-up of serious corruption at Catford Police Station, south London

* 'Untouchables' pseudo-investigation into corruption in Rigg Approach Flying Squad

* Stephen Lawrence cover-up of corrupt relations between one of the murderer's father (a senior Met officer) and local 'drugs lords'

* John Wilson beating cover-up 1996-2002


We are not talking of millions pf £s spent in high-level Met Police cover-ups here, we are talking tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money being poured into senior Met police officers covering up their own incompetence and corruption.

And I've not even mentioned a series of provincial cover-ups, like Hillsborough...

For the sake of balance could we have a list of all the investigations that weren't cover-ups?

'Course dear: 1 (PJ) + 1 (Textusa's) +1 (Joana Morais') + 1 (Pam's) +1 (the Twins, in around 5-10 years)
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Post by Cristobell 23.04.14 19:26

tasprin wrote:
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aquila wrote:What this 'breaking news' does is to create a space for the McCanns to mark the seventh anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, her forthcoming birthday and to update their website with a message. The media will get a few good pages out of that and the general public who aren't particularly au fait with any details will feel sympathy, despise the bungling PJ and possibly avoid holidaying in Portugal as 'it's full of paedophiles who target British children'.

This 'breaking news' tells nothing of any progress in the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance but it sort of says that Scotland Yard are working really hard and being hindered by the bad Portuguese so have no fear, your millions of pounds are being well spent.

That's about all that's needed at this stage of the whitewash. Just my opinion of course.
It certainly seems to have all the ingredients to wrap up the ending into a satisfying whole.  The McCanns cannot be accused of neglect as all the parents of the assaulted children were home and in another room at the time Smellyman climbed in through their windows, so it just goes to show staying in with the kids would have made no difference and the McCanns are 100% innocent.

Ah, but no, it was the only apartment where the child disappeared - the parents of the other kids were in the apartments and able to prevent him from taking their children. It was also the only apartment where Smellyman didn't need to break in through the window to molest a child but according to TM, he did - perhaps he opened the window and shutter as a means of escape but found he couldn't squeeze his pot belly through it.
In the very uncomfortable Irish interview, when the presenter asks her if Madeleine could have walked out on her own, Kate explains that the shutters were open etc, and helpfully added, 'I'm not lying about that'. she then goes on to say that if Madeleine had wandered out on her own, she must have shut the patio door curtain behind her, the patio doors, and the two sets of gates on the small stairway.  Logic would dictate therefore, that Smellyman/Smithman, this week's suspect, would also have to do the same.
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Post by Guest 23.04.14 19:28

Bishop Brennan wrote:
whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

If Redwood has nothing as you say, what can explain his excitement?  Why is he getting excited at an irrelevance?

I see him as a perfectly decent, always reliable chap who finds himself massively out of his depth. Probably under considerable stress and no further forward after 3 long years, it's only natural for him to jump somewhat desperately on anything new - even if it lacks relevance.   But having spent 3 years submerging himself with ever more piles of leads / paperwork / ILRs / international sex offenders he seems lost and floundering.  Bit of a shame really.  

I concur: the man comes across as a decent fellow, and so far he has managed to run a tight ship (nobody blabbering to the outside world)

I've come to like him, and to trust he'll do the job

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Post by Cristobell 23.04.14 19:29

Portia wrote:
whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
* Operation Countryman

* Brinks Mat cover-up

* Operation Jackpot (corruption at Stoke Newington Police Station)

* Murder of Jean Charles de Menezes 21.7.2005

* Cover-up of 2002 Operation Tiberius internal reprot on widespread corruption in the Met (stories in the Independent this year, see separae thread on this forum)

* Five corrupt reviews spanning nearly 3 decades into the Daniel Morgan case (murdered in 1987, see also threads on this forum)

* Cover-up of serious corruption at Catford Police Station, south London

* 'Untouchables' pseudo-investigation into corruption in Rigg Approach Flying Squad

* Stephen Lawrence cover-up of corrupt relations between one of the murderer's father (a senior Met officer) and local 'drugs lords'

* John Wilson beating cover-up 1996-2002


We are not talking of millions pf £s spent in high-level Met Police cover-ups here, we are talking tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money being poured into senior Met police officers covering up their own incompetence and corruption.

And I've not even mentioned a series of provincial cover-ups, like Hillsborough...

For the sake of balance could we have a list of all the investigations that weren't cover-ups?

'Course dear: 1 (PJ) + 1 (Textusa's) +1 (Joana Morais') + 1 (Pam's) +1 (the Twins, in around 5-10 years)
The fact that we know about them, and that they are listed, suggests they did not remain coverups.  That is, we know about them now.  Wouldn't the real coverups be the ones we don't know about?
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Post by Liz Eagles 23.04.14 19:35

There were appeals from non police officers for people to send their holiday snaps when Madeleine went missing. I hope Scotland Yard have investigated their files and are completely satisfied that every single one of those holiday snaps were indeed passed onto the PJ and now SY.

Just a thought.
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Post by Guest 23.04.14 19:46

A good thought, Aquila. It's something , which has been bothering me for quite a while [even though, I do have some different interpretations of Gamble's one-minute-viral-video ...].
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Post by SixMillionQuid 23.04.14 19:53

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Andrew77R wrote: Why have Sky news got this picture on the breaking news article....

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Police are still keen to trace a man seen near Madeleine's appartment
Why? Well maybe because the mccanns still have that image on their website!! So the mccanns must be right!

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Then who is this?
This is a man who remembered (6 years later) that it COULD HAVE BEEN him. That's what they said you see, that it COULD HAVE BEEN, they're not sure if there's another man Tanner saw. So there could have been 2 men carrying their child in pyjamas.

So if the mccanns site still shows they're looking for a man,  They COULD STILL BE. So the mccanns are alright.
Makes sense?
I see Mr Redwood gave himself a bit a room to 'wriggle' just in case. A bit of shame because Crecheman seems to think it was him and saved his daughter's pyjamas after six years - just in case.

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Post by Tony Bennett 23.04.14 19:56

aquila wrote:There was an ex Met officer on Sky News today Hamish Brown I think his name was who was speaking/appealing for people to give information to the police!!!! He spoke of the Portuguese having phone records that would be helpful in light of the newly discovered crimes.

Unbelievable!

anyway, on a lighter note Tony, your post re the numbers of officers etc reminds me of Yes Minister re an economy drive

Hacker: How many people do we have in this department?
Sir Humphrey
: Ummm... well, we're very small...
Hacker
: Two, maybe three thousand?
Sir Humphrey: About twenty three thousand to be precise.
Hacker
: TWENTY THREE THOUSAND! In the department of administrative affairs, twenty three thousand adminstrators just to administer the other administrators! We need to do a time-and-motion study, see who we can get rid of.
Sir Humphrey
: Ah, well, we did one of those last year.
Hacker: And what were the results?
Sir Humphrey: It turned out that we needed another five hundred people.
At the height of Stalin's powers, he employed 500,000 government statisticians.

All of them pumpimg out false statistics!

The U.K. today is going the same way.

Nearly every police force fiddles their crime figures.

Hospitals fiddle their waiting times.

Some teachers have even fiddled their pupils' grades.

All in an effort to generate misleading statistics.

Redwood's parade of endless statistics is about as unconvincing as his obvious air of insincerity.

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Post by SixMillionQuid 23.04.14 19:59

margaret wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
margaret wrote:

I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash.
The cadaver alerts, the lack of maddies DNA or one credible lead won't go away.

As l said l remain hopeful until the end.
I'm curious to know what some people are expecting from this latest trip. Arrests?

If you don't believe public money is being flushed down to loo to purely to protect some people's image then by rights you must be expecting arrests to take place as a result of this visit carefully timed ahead of the 3rd May.

I don't have to think that at all. Strange logic you have there...

All l have said is that until SY conclude what they're investigating l will hope for the best.
They've got a lot of suspects to 'eliminate'. New ones keep popping up..."this story has legs".

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Post by Tony Bennett 23.04.14 20:05

Woofer wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
margaret wrote:
I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash.
* Operation Countryman

* Brinks Mat cover-up

* Operation Jackpot (corruption at Stoke Newington Police Station)

* Murder of Jean Charles de Menezes 21.7.2005

* Cover-up of 2002 Operation Tiberius internal reprot on widespread corruption in the Met (stories in the Independent this year, see separae thread on this forum)

* Five corrupt reviews spanning nearly 3 decades into the Daniel Morgan case (murdered in 1987, see also threads on this forum)

* Cover-up of serious corruption at Catford Police Station, south London

* 'Untouchables' pseudo-investigation into corruption in Rigg Approach Flying Squad

* Stephen Lawrence cover-up of corrupt relations between one of the murderer's father (a senior Met officer) and local 'drugs lords'

* John Wilson beating cover-up 1996-2002


We are not talking of millions pf £s spent in high-level Met Police cover-ups here, we are talking tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money being poured into senior Met police officers covering up their own incompetence and corruption.

And I've not even mentioned a series of provincial cover-ups, like Hillsborough...

An impressive list and are mostly the police covering up their own corrupt workings - but this cover up (if it is one) is about some other agency's corruption.
Correct, covering up their own corruption.

If this is a cover-up, Rupert Murdoch seems to be pulling all the strings...

1. His CEO threatens Cameron

2. He invites Cameron to his yacht, gets what he wants out of him (BSkyB), and then tells his newspaper editors to tell their readers to Vote Cameron

3. His son-in-law employs Clarence Mitchell at Freud International

4. His man at the News of the World, Andy Coulson, goes to work as Cameron's Director of Communications, and they jointlyppoint Clarence Mitchell as their No. 2

5. His papers print a succession of ludicrous stories about where Madeleine might be

6. Corruptly paying senior Met officers for juicy stories

7. Putting senior Met officers on his payroll when they leave the Met.


P.S. I think Arthur C. Clarke and Rupert Murdoch were great mates:

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Post by lj 23.04.14 20:12

Bishop Brennan wrote:The saddest thing for me is that I think that AR actually believes he is making progress in this case. I honestly do. Just think back to his breathless excitement on the first CW program as he excitedly shared his big "revelation moment".   The 3 burglars, and this recent press release carry that same over-eager-intern tone.  

And yet he seems unable to see that he has in fact NOTHING...  No link to Maddie, no evidence of a break-in, no witnesses to smellyman, and a totally different MO in all cases.  It's all just a fantasy scenario dreamed up by AR. And yet look how excited he gets when he believes he finds something that fits the fantasy - despite its complete irrelevance to the Maddie case... 

Frankly, it's depressing to realise that AR and BHH are two of the top men in our police force.

scary, isn't it?

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 20:13

Cristobell wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:IMO the NSY are not doing a whitewash and they cannot afford BTW. Yes, there are numerous examples of cover-up, but only because they have been discovered. IF they would do a whitewash now, this time, with the most famous criminal child disappearance in history since the Lindbergh baby, and be uncovered, they'd lose all of their credibility for all time!
I needed to read something like that, well said Chatelaine!  Its impossible of course.  When DCI Redwood mentioned Smellyman before, he did not connect him to the disappearance of Madeleine.  And it is not so long ago, he was focusing on the clean cut Smithman, who has no resemblance to Smellyman whatsoever, not least he was carrying a child that fitted Madeleine's description!

Even though it has been 7 years, when it reaches an end there will have to be a trial, and its a bit like the Highlander series, 'There can be only one'. Only one trial that is, and during that trial, the evidence of the dogs will scrutinized by expert witnesses, and experts may be called by the Prosecution and the Defence, so even if the Accused is indeed Smellyman, he will use the dogs' evidence in his defence.  

The only way SY can clear the McCanns would be by accusing the PJ of planting evidence, etc, etc, which could lead to all sorts of diplomatic incidents, if not war!

Aye, well said to the both of you :)

Also, the findmadeleine site still lists Tannerman, Spottyman, and Poshspicewoman on their suspects page. They've not added Potbellyman yet. I expect they're on it at the moment ;-)
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Post by Tony Bennett 23.04.14 20:53

Bishop Brennan wrote:The saddest thing for me is that I think that AR actually believes he is making progress in this case. I honestly do. Just think back to his breathless excitement on the first CW program as he excitedly shared his big "revelation moment".   The 3 burglars, and this recent press release carry that same over-eager-intern tone. 

REPLY:   Do you think it possible, BB, that these signs - 'breathless excitement' and 'over-eager tone' - might actually be signs that he is not telling the truth?  

Not to mention

* his meaningless verbiage 'drawing everything back to zero' etc.

* his allowing a highly partial and selective reconstruction to be shown 

* his showing us two very different 5-year-old e-fits of what is claimed to be the same person 

* his replacement of Tannerman with crecheman

* his claim that he sincerely wants to know the identities of four blond men and

* his studied and unconvincing display of apparent sincerity...the furrowed forehead etc.   

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Post by sharonl 23.04.14 21:04

If we are to believe what we read in the UK media, our top police force are running around Praia Da Luz like headless chickens in desperate search of cleaners, burglars, gypsies, apartment owners, paedophiles, Ocean Club employees, charity workers, mobile phone owners and anyone else who just happened to be there. 

In years to come and millions of pounds later, once everyone else in Praia Da Luz has been ruled out, they will be left with the tapas 9, what then?

If the Met really are on the trail of all these different suspects or groups of suspects every week or so, they clearly do not have one credible lead to follow.

Now they are off to Portugal in the hope that the Portuguese police will join the wild goose chase.

This is complete and utter nonsense and probably nothing more than a PR exercise, but then the reason that the review was set up in the first place was to pacify Rebekah Brooks and keep her off Camerons' back.  It's hardly likely that NSY would make such complete and utter fools of themselves with all of this.  If it was a whitewash, they could merely say that they were making progress and that they were looking for a suspect but could not give details.  But, that would defeat the object because the press wouldn't have an ongoing story to sell.
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Post by Tony Bennett 23.04.14 21:31

sharonl wrote:If the Met really are on the trail of all these different suspects or groups of suspects every week or so, they clearly do not have one credible lead to follow.

REPLY: The Met's website tells us, inter alia, this:

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Following an appeal in March, officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have had a positive response to the appeal which has led to a number of new lines of enquiry. Detectives overseeing the investigation specifically appealed for further information leading to the identification of a suspect who may have been responsible for a potentially linked series of twelve offences on the Western Algarve region between 2004 and 2010 .

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the senior investigating officer said...: Anyone with any information is asked to call the Operation Grange incident room on 0207 321 9251...

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They are trying to tell us that this is indeed a credible lead.

They speak of a 'suspect'.

But actually - this is so cunning and manipulative - when we read the Met's press release it says that the suspect is suspected of 'being responsible for 12 linked offences', NOT that he is suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann.

The main effect of the 'CrimeWatch McCann Speical No. 2', therefore, has been to create a developing story about 'smellybinman' in the run-up to the 7th anniversary of Madeleine's reported disappearance

 





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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by russiandoll 23.04.14 21:42

Quick reply to you Tony. 
1. I find it easy to apologise when I am in the wrong and I do so now for stating that you disparagingly put words in quotes which had been used by the original poster. So I  take back my comments about your use of these words and the inferences I mistakenly drew from them. I do wonder though, why wlbts used quotes for these words.

2.  My comments re your being provocative with innuendo still stand. You were very direct with me in your reply, I only wish that you had been the same with this other person.

3. I have had a very nice day, thank you, apart from wondering what the heck is going on with SY's latest !

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Post by Guest 23.04.14 21:52

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 21:52

To clear something up, the reason that I used quote-marks around "intelligence" and "experience" was that I was referencing this post:

Tony Bennett wrote:
maragaret, Good morning. I am sorry to say this, but your optimism about Operation Grange reminded me of Oscar Wilde's observation on marriage:

"Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.”

I don't see even a smidgeon of actual evidence for your hope - but a mountain of evidence the other way...

As you can see, I was quoting a quote of a quote ;-)  The quotes were meant to indicate that the words were not mine - perhaps I should have just quoted the whole post instead :) Or used quote-marks instead of inverted commas (just noticed that!).
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Post by Beanie 23.04.14 21:54

PeterMac wrote:Why were only British families "targeted'
Why is potbellied smellyman said to be British
Why do only British parents leave the doors and windows open
Why do only British parents allow the assault and violation of their young daughters to go unreported and uninvestigated
Why do only British parents behave so irresponsibly
Why do only British parents NOT go to the Tabloids to sell their stories over the past 10 years
Why do the British Authorities assume that everyone is so bloody stupid that anyone, even just one, would believe this nonsense ?
Why is Redwood allowed to get away this this
Why is Hogan-Howe stil in a job
Why is Mitchell still on the planet

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I can feel a formal letter to Teresa May coming on !
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Post by sharonl 23.04.14 22:00

Tony Bennett wrote:
sharonl wrote:If the Met really are on the trail of all these different suspects or groups of suspects every week or so, they clearly do not have one credible lead to follow.

REPLY: The Met's website tells us, inter alia, this:

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Following an appeal in March, officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have had a positive response to the appeal which has led to a number of new lines of enquiry. Detectives overseeing the investigation specifically appealed for further information leading to the identification of a suspect who may have been responsible for a potentially linked series of twelve offences on the Western Algarve region between 2004 and 2010 .

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the senior investigating officer said...: Anyone with any information is asked to call the Operation Grange incident room on 0207 321 9251...

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They are trying to tell us that this is indeed a credible lead.

They speak of a 'suspect'.

But actually - this is so cunning and manipulative - when we read the Met's press release it says that the suspect is suspected of 'being responsible for 12 linked offences', NOT that he is suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann.

The main effect of the 'CrimeWatch McCann Speical No. 2', therefore, has been to create a developing story about 'smellybinman' in the run-up to the 7th anniversary of Madeleine's reported disappearance

 





That's shocking

So the Met are prepared to make complete and utter fools of themselves as they embark on yet another wild goose chase ignoring what is staring them in the face.  I would love to know what it was that Ms Brooks was intending to publish in the headlines that was so bad that Cameron & the Met gave into this nonsense.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect the Met to have narrowed their search down to 3 or less suspects within a month or 2 of this review, but they seem intent on investigating everyone who may have been in Praia Da Luz at the time.

If they did have a really credible lead and the review was getting somewhere they wouldn't be trying to rule out everyone in Praia Da Luz.
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Post by russiandoll 23.04.14 22:06

Sky report on their site much as the last one re assaults, including this

 Police believe the suspect may have been in the villas for some time before being disturbed by parents or a child waking up - and he remained calm even when interrupted.

 So Dad did not get a grip of smellyman while his wife/ partner called the police?


 He was calm was he? Didn't run away in case he got a beating? What did the adults do with this calm intruder?

  Who do they think will believe this crock of merde? !

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Post by Copodenieve 23.04.14 22:11

plebgate wrote:I haven't seen Tony bating anybody on this or any other thread, so don't know why admin would need to admonish Tony.

WLBTS interpretation of Tony's "fascinating" remark was imo out of order.

From several posts I have seen it has always been WLBTS who replies (imo) to Tony in a negative and adversarial way.

WLBTS seems to have a "thing" about Tony being victorious during their "debates" and I do remember one post where WLBTS said something about having last word, but then edited the post.

I believe WLBTS has deliberately made more of Tony's "fascinating" remark to deflect their anger and never being able to "have last word" over Tony.

Sorry for seeming to butt in Tony, I know you can explain things yourself, but when other members decide to jump in and ask admin to become involved then I did feel I could give my take on things.

It was the same just before Marconi "left" the forum, some jumped in when there was no need to and caused chaos.
Ufff...sorry for jumping in but really need to say that I totally agree with this.
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Dominating front pages again.......

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Post by russiandoll 23.04.14 22:12

Oh FGS. Speaking of a crock.... from the Daily Star  [ bold mine ]


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Last month, investigators focused their intentions on a known paedophile who was said to be spotted carrying a girl of Maddie's description along a beach near her resort.

He was said to be responsible for a number of attacks on young girls in the tourist area of Praia Da Luz.

British officers are now looking into incidents where 18 holiday apartments were broken into and very little was stolen.

A 10-year-old British girl is said to have been one of the alleged victims in 2005, two years after Maddie went missing while on holiday with her parents.

Police say the break-ins could offer clues to how Maddie disappeared without a trace.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 22:12

Rubbish from the Express as usual, and they contradict themselves right there on the front page.

They say:

Police now ready to make arrests in the Algarve.
and

Detectives hunting the kidnapper of Madeline McCann are poised to make arrests.
but then point out

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt confirmed the authorities in Lisbon have responded positively to a series of "international letters of request" from the Yard.
He said: "In the relatively near future, we will start to see activity on behalf of the Portuguese with us involved as well."
He declined to say what the "activity" would be.

Hewitt's statement doesn't make sense in itself anyway. "... we will start to see activity on behalf of the Portuguese ..." seems to imply that SY will be acting on behalf of the Portuguese, but then he concludes with "... with us involved as well." Eh? Then who exactly is carrying out this activity on behalf of the Portuguese? If it's not the Portuguese, and it's not Scotland Yard, then who is it?
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 23.04.14 22:31

Why do all these headlines state arrests? All the news stories suspects the past few months have been lone sex offenders.

Unless its a hint toward the T9....

Also an interesting choice of picture of the McCann's on the Star.
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