Breaking Sky news - Brit police to go to portugal next week to help portuguese with investigations

Granny McCann was  the woman who told the world that Gerry was feeling better now that the fund had been set up.One week after maddie went missing!

worriedmum wrote:Thank you Gillyspot!

And from me too Gillyspot  

IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:I'm afraid anyone that believes the British media are going to break 'ranks' needs to be evaluated and scheduled.

The media, politicians and the Met are all involved upto their necks in this 'affair'

Off topic slightly , I watched " Ace in the hole " lastnight with Kirk Douglas playing the part of a lowlife journalist who milks a tragedy ... the politician the policeman and the media are all in it up to their necks...along with the victim stuck underground in a hellish lair....worth watching !

A breath of fresh air, this man (this guy from Portugal, that is, the journo)

Odd to see the resurrection of Clarence Mitchell; wasn't he the dream contender for an MP-ship somewhere south?
Foundering?

Trying to become an MP in Brighton but they have a very feisty Green Party MP at mo.   Wd be very surprised if he managed to oust her.

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I hope he loses his deposit at the next election.  I really do.

mariola wrote:Granny McCann was the woman who told the world that Gerry was feeling better now that the fund had been set up.One week after maddie went missing!

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It was actually a fortnight - that makes it all right!!

John McCann's performance 6 days later is still shocking to watch now.

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mariola wrote:Granny McCann was  the woman who told the world that Gerry was feeling better now that the fund had been set up.One week after maddie went missing!

Sorry it was two weeks later.Still on youtube, Eileen Mccann and Brian Kennedy at rothley,17th may 2007.Chillingly sinister given what we now know.

nfwtd,. thank you.you are brilliant.

Yes, very uplifting to have a limited corporation established directly after your little daughter has been missed, a company for your legal expenditure

Funny, how we all, at the time, overlooked the dark meaning behind it all

For which legal charges & expenses could the bereaved parent POSSIBLY have been expecting, to hit him immediately?

angie o'plasty wrote:

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Nina wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:

Gillyspot wrote:Paul Luckman (for it was he) is also on twitter & Deborah (@Iwillnotgoaway) & I follow him. His twitter username is @theportugalnews

The guy on the 5live interview earlier? Is this the journalist to whom Deborah refers? More to come from him, then, with luck.

I really wish I could access the interview, is there a transcript do you know please?

I haven't been able to play it either, Nina.  

If it has been pulled, the BBC must be worried by what was said. Wouldn't mind betting they've been alerted by he number of 'hits' the listen again site was getting. Still in line, then.

I too would be grateful if anyone could summarise the interview.

Hopefully this link will work. It is only available for a few more days though.

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Thank you, angie o'plasty! And to Gillyspot for your transcript.

2 things struck me, the very genuine expression  of disbelief and bemusement at the Met's claims of all the reports of the 'newly discovered' crimes and, possibly more importantly, his insistence of the cooperation of the PJ with the Met and the McCanns. Whether this collusion is still active - it apparently only related to the PJ's investigation with regards to the Cape Verde man - or the PJ's investigation has taken them subsequently down a path where it is now prudent to close ranks is one to discuss.

What it does mean is that both McCanns, unless they were shown the PowerPoint presentation by video link, have indeed made a journey on Portuguese soil together around November time last year.

I would urge everyone to listen to the youtube link while it's still there, very revealing indeed. Thank you both again.

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IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:I'm afraid anyone that believes the British media are going to break 'ranks' needs to be evaluated and scheduled.

The media, politicians and the Met are all involved upto their necks in this 'affair'

Off topic slightly , I watched  " Ace in the hole " lastnight with Kirk Douglas playing the part of a lowlife journalist who milks a tragedy ... the politician the policeman and the media are all in it up to their necks...along with the victim stuck underground in a hellish lair....worth watching !

Thanks for the tip Rasputin, sounds a bit film noir, will look out for it  

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HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"

NEXT DAY:
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Sarge,
There's no one here  . . .

Sarge:

What do you mean there's no one there...course there isn't dimwit, never will be...you're not going to be arresting anyone...this case is about buoyancy Mr & Mrs like to be buoyed, your orders were to leak a story to press about how buoyed Mr & Mrs are by us Met guys & how annoyed they are by PJ guys.  Got that? Now get back to work, and remember they want to be buoyed, not overjoyed, never overjoyed, that's a step too far they're not that keen for her to be found, they never go beyond being buoyant - they'd shit themselves if we found her...and so would we...that's not remit... You come across any pot bellied smelly guy you hold your nose, your tongue, and turn a blind eye or we're in shit -.it's BUOYANCY that's key, as Mr would say...just enough to keep the Fund afloat...is all that's needed...

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HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"

NEXT DAY:
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Sarge,
There's no one here  . . .

Sarge:

What do you mean there's no one there...course there isn't dimwit, never will be...you're not going to be arresting anyone...this case is about buoyancy Mr & Mrs like to be buoyed, your orders were to leak a story to press about how buoyed Mr & Mrs are by us Met guys & how annoyed they are by PJ guys.  Got that? Now get back to work, and remember they want to be buoyed, not overjoyed, never overjoyed, that's a step too far they're not that keen for her to be found, they never go beyond being buoyant - they'd shit themselves if we found her...and so would we...that's not remit... You come across any pot bellied smelly guy you hold your nose, your tongue, and turn a blind eye or we're in shit -.it's BUOYANCY that's key, as Mr would say...just enough to keep the Fund afloat...is all that's needed...

Sad ain't it that it starts to look more like a slapstick very day.

Andy has a whole new career ahead of him!

Watching wrote:

PeterMac wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"

NEXT DAY:
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Sarge,
There's no one here  . . .

Sarge:

What do you mean there's no one there...course there isn't dimwit, never will be...you're not going to be arresting anyone...this case is about buoyancy Mr & Mrs like to be buoyed, your orders were to leak a story to press about how buoyed Mr & Mrs are by us Met guys & how annoyed they are by PJ guys.  Got that? Now get back to work, and remember they want to be buoyed, not overjoyed, never overjoyed, that's a step too far they're not that keen for her to be found, they never go beyond being buoyant - they'd shit themselves if we found her...and so would we...that's not remit... You come across any pot bellied smelly guy you hold your nose, your tongue, and turn a blind eye or we're in shit -.it's BUOYANCY that's key, as Mr would say...just enough to keep the Fund afloat...is all that's needed...

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FOUND: Shirt worn by Madeleine McCann suspect
A FORMER Scotland Yard detective has uncovered a sensational clue that could help solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]VITAL CLUE: Right, handout photo issued by the Metropolitan Police, left, Madeleine McCann [PA]

Peter Bleksley believes the shirt worn by the prime suspect was a rare design produced by beer company Super Bock.

It was not sold but given away to loyal customers and should be possible to trace.

The suspect is a child sex attacker who has been operating for years in the area of Portugal where Madeleine vanished in 2007.

His burgundy coloured top with a distinctive white ­circle on the back was described by the families of two of his victims.

The Yard has released a picture of the long-sleeve T-shirt.

Mr Bleksley, 54, a founder member of the Yard’s undercover squad, said: “Some people have suggested it bore a resemblance to a strip once worn by the Arsenal football team.

“However, I think a more likely explanation could be that the man was wearing one of these Super Bock promotional T-shirts.

"From speaking to bar owners I know the design for these T-shirts changes every year and only a certain number are handed out to regular customers.

“Therefore, it would be possible to check back on all the designs and the years they were produced and see which one bears most similarity to that witnessed by families of victims.

“Then it would be possible to check the distribution of the T-shirts to see where they were given out.

"Not all pubs bother with the promotion so through a process of elimination it may be possible to narrow down where such shirts may have been handed out and then bar owners could be asked about their customers.

“We know that some victims said the man smelt of stale alcohol and tobacco and that he had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]A tradesman wearing an old Super Bock t-shirt [MARK KEHOE]

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We know that some victims said the man smelt of stale alcohol and tobacco and that he had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant
Peter Bleksley

“The man appears to target his victims after watching families and working out how to get into their holiday apartments, suggesting he is methodical and has his own modus operandi.”

The distinctive Super Bock logo of a white circle on a maroon background is used on signs outside pubs across Portugal.

In the Algarve resort of Carvoeiro we found a tradesman wearing one of the shirts with the words Super Man on it. He said he had owned the shirt for a number of years.

Last week the Sunday Express flew Mr Bleksley to the Algarve to assess the progress of the Yard’s investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, seven years ago this Saturday, when she was approaching her fourth birthday.

He arrived just as Scotland Yard announced that there were five more attacks on British girls in and around Luz, including a disturbing sexual assault on a girl of 10 in 2005 in the very resort from where Madeleine disappeared two years later.

The Yard are looking at 18 potentially linked cases of someone entering holiday homes.

They are focusing on 12 break-ins during which nine girls were attacked and three other cases described as near-misses.

Mr Bleksley said: “The Yard has a massive job on its hands to look into all these crimes and every tiny clue is important.

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"The one solid clue comes from two families who report the intruder as wearing the top with the distinctive white circle.”

Mr Bleksley, whose book on unsolved murders, called Ten Most Wanted, highlighted shortcomings in police investigations, has analysed the McCann files for the Sunday Express.

He suggested it was time to go back to square one, with a new forensic sweep of material from the holiday apartment where she vanished.

Last week Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood revealed that some of the attacks on British girls had been reported to the GNR, the military-style police force that investigates minor crimes, but it appears the information was not passed on to the Policia Judiciaria, equivalent of the British CID.

Mr Bleksley said: “I was very alarmed to hear Mr Redwood suggest there may be forensic material relating to some of these attacks sitting in a GNR cupboard somewhere.

"Clearly, if this is the case these exhibits need to be found urgently.

“In fact, I would go further and say there needs to be a full re-examination of all known material on all 18 of the break-ins and particularly those during which girls were assaulted.”

He believes there should also be a full review of all forensics relating to Madeleine’s disappearance from apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.


“There was a case I looked into for my book where a review of all the forensics on the murder of a woman was re-examined 10 years after the crime and a breakthrough was made which led to a charge of murder.

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.



“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.



“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

“I sincerely hope the Met and the PJ work in tandem towards a shared goal. If these offences had happened in Britain, the victims would have been interviewed on video and the information processed and cross referenced to see if there were similarities to other reported offences and to see if a pattern emerged.

“This obviously was not done in Portugal so the Yard had to go right back to square one.”

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sharonl wrote:. . . If these offences had happened in Britain, the victims would have been interviewed on video and the information processed and cross referenced to see if there were similarities to other reported offences and to see if a pattern emerged.
“This obviously was not done in Portugal so the Yard had to go right back to square one.”

And step forward the two who claim they are the VICTIMS in this case.
They Should be interviewed on video, separately, not together, and their statements cross referenced - as we have been doing for the past 7 years.

TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE, AND WERE, LYING  . . . Which Dr Amaral discovered in the early hours of 4th May 2007.

Petermac

I find this bit quite worrying, what do you make of it?

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.



“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.



“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

Petermac,

Scratch my last message, I am no longer concerned.


Peter Bleksley is no longer with the MET, he left in 1999

He is now a Writer, consultant and Broadcaster.

In addition to that, he was allegedly flown to PDL courtesy of the Express.

If the Met have no jurisdiction in Portugal, this fool will none whatsoever.




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sharonl wrote:

I find this bit quite worrying, what do you make of it?

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.



“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.



“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

My opinion, Sharon, is that if the Met. police forensic analysts need to take advice from this carpetbagging charlatan on how to conduct their scientific investigations, then they really are up shit creek without a paddle.

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Thanks Andrew but as we all know, there is no "amazing new clue". You would have to wonder how the Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Star can sleep at night. He knows there is no new clue and he sanctions this headline - to make money, at the expense of finding justice for a little 3 year old girl. Shame on him.

A detective has made a break-through just days before the seventh anniversary of the three-year-old going missing in Portugal.
Her parents Gerry and Kate were last night said to be “heartened” by the revelations.
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Ex-Scotland Yard detective Mr Bleksley, who has spent much time investigating the case in Portugal, said:
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THAT has to be the world's SHORTEST Met Police 'career' EVER!

Mr Bleksley IS 'a detective' in paragraph 1 AND an EX 'detective' by paragraph 4!

Perhaps Operation Strange's 'budget' can run to purchashing a few of these T-Shirts on E-Bay, hand them out as 'freebies' when they are in PDL, and 'nick' the first pot bellied man, they have given a T-Shirt to, as THE 'prime suspect' in the Madeleine McCann 'disappearance'

As Jay of the Inbetweeners would say: "BRILLIANT!"

Ex-Scotland Yard detective Mr Bleksley, said “We know that some victims said had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant.”
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REALLY? DOCTOR? BLEKSLEY

Brilliant pice of deductive detecting there then by you, 'suggesting he was a regular drinker', to 'explain' his 'pot belly'..

Oh, wait

Pot bellies can be caused by medical conditions. A pot belly can indicate gastrointestinal distress in the form of irritable bowel syndrome, inflammatory bowel disease and gastroparesis, a type of nerve damage that affects the stomach. Sometimes certain types of cancer manifest themselves by creating a pot  belly as well.

Maybe the chap had cancer?

A 'possibility' i'm sure has had your full consideration, Doctor Bleksley.......or NOT!.

Correct me if I'm wrong,but doesn't PJ have forensic findings from the apartment that was never sent to the FSS?

I hope I'm not straying too far off topic but it does pertain to forensics in some fashion.

Does anyone know what happened to apartment 5a?

Mrs Fenn passed away - Mrs Fenn lived in the apartment above. Has apartment 5a been sold? If so, to whom? It's not terribly unusual for a police authority to buy a property that's a crime scene although I doubt that has happened in this case.

So....if apartment 5a has indeed been sold who bought it?

ETA: who sold it? and who were the selling agents?

ETA (again) who now owns Mrs Fenn's apartment?

ETA (yet again) how many of the apartments that were in the block have changed ownership?

aquila wrote:I hope I'm not straying too far off topic but it does pertain to forensics in some fashion.

Does anyone know what happened to apartment 5a?

Mrs Fenn passed away - Mrs Fenn lived in the apartment above. Has apartment 5a been sold? If so, to whom? It's not terribly unusual for a police authority to buy a property that's a crime scene although I doubt that has happened in this case.

So....if apartment 5a has indeed been sold who bought it?

ETA: who sold it? and who were the selling agents?

ETA (again) who now owns Mrs Fenn's apartment?

ETA (yet again) how many of the apartments that were in the block have changed ownership?

Mrs Fenn passed her apartment to her Son Ian Fenn who is the manager of a London based company.

The only Ian Fenn that I can find is the manager of Chopstix Media who appear to do a lot of work for the BBC and Virgin Media.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] I am confused here. If this is an example of a promotional  shirt, relating to this brand of beer, where is the brand name? Is this because all that was made out by the victim was the circle? I would have thought that if you can see white on a dark background, the print would have been visible, to the extent that a person could say   that there was something printed inside the circle.