Re: Sunday Express - Burglary files to aid hunt for Madeleine McCann

by Guest 24.02.14 19:17

marconi wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:It is also interesting that 'Blacksmith' often refers to 'himself' in the plural - "We at the Bureau..." is a phrase often used.

Dee Coy, that is what is called in Latin: pluralis majestatis.

Like the royal 'we'? laughat

Hell, it's the double-bluff of the century! Blacksmith is Gerry!

by whatsupdoc 24.02.14 19:30

Cristobell wrote:
Watching wrote:How reliable Blacksmith is, I wouldn't know, but I quote from his latest:

" Make of that, if you think it is reliable, what you will."

To add a little more speculation. There were two females who dined at the tapas restaurant on the night Madeleine disappeared. Their table was booked under the name of Irwin.

Irwin is the name which has popped up during police interviews. The tapas lot were asked if they knew of anyone by this name. They all said they did not.

I have always been curious as to why they were asked specifically if they knew of anyone by this name.

IF and a BIG IF, the females named on this rogatory letter are in fact those who dined under the booking name of Irwin - Would they be witnesses? They would most surely have noticed Mr & Mrs and Co in the tapas restaurant that night.

As Blacksmith would say - 'Make of that, what you will'

Sir BHH said they HAVE the names of the suspects Watching, and putting 2 + 2 together and possibly reaching 6, those will be the names on the ILRs. I would imagine all the ex pats in PDL and the surrounding areas have been interviewed to death for the past 7 years. But regardless, I would be more inclined to look towards the McCann's inner circle. The guy who stored the hire car for them (whose name I can't remember, sorry) and the caring vicar and his wife. The kind friends of David Payne, who supplied the McCanns and the Tapas group with PAYG mobile phones on 4th May.

There was a huge amount of phone traffic on the night 3/4th May, and most of it came from Apartment 5A. While others were searching, the parents and their friends were working their way through their combined address books begging for help.

I think the person was a builder who stored the car and was called Gherraty or Gerraghty or similar. I believe Gerry knew him.

by Seek truth 24.02.14 20:37

Okeydokey wrote: So...let's get this right...5 British families have gone to Portugal on holiday, had their apartments burgled, had their children sexually assaulted, had their complaints about these outrages completely ignored by the Portugese authorities...and then - have said NOTHING about such matters when they got back to the UK!!!

Well done Kate...very credible not.

I think the Express is just taking the p - choosing the most ludicrous claims to rubbish by appearing to support them. It must really p off the McCanns to have the Express papers picking up on these stories when THEY want to be in control of the news agenda.

I guess you might say the Express is in passive-aggressive mode.

Has she got something against Portugal, saying something like that in her book?

How comes she wasn't sued?

by Watching 24.02.14 21:06

Cristobell wrote:
Watching wrote:How reliable Blacksmith is, I wouldn't know, but I quote from his latest:

" Make of that, if you think it is reliable, what you will."

To add a little more speculation. There were two females who dined at the tapas restaurant on the night Madeleine disappeared. Their table was booked under the name of Irwin.

Irwin is the name which has popped up during police interviews. The tapas lot were asked if they knew of anyone by this name. They all said they did not.

I have always been curious as to why they were asked specifically if they knew of anyone by this name.

IF and a BIG IF, the females named on this rogatory letter are in fact those who dined under the booking name of Irwin - Would they be witnesses? They would most surely have noticed Mr & Mrs and Co in the tapas restaurant that night.

As Blacksmith would say - 'Make of that, what you will'

Sir BHH said they HAVE the names of the suspects Watching, and putting 2 + 2 together and possibly reaching 6, those will be the names on the ILRs. I would imagine all the ex pats in PDL and the surrounding areas have been interviewed to death for the past 7 years. But regardless, I would be more inclined to look towards the McCann's inner circle. The guy who stored the hire car for them (whose name I can't remember, sorry) and the caring vicar and his wife. The kind friends of David Payne, who supplied the McCanns and the Tapas group with PAYG mobile phones on 4th May.

There was a huge amount of phone traffic on the night 3/4th May, and most of it came from Apartment 5A. While others were searching, the parents and their friends were working their way through their combined address books begging for help.

Hi Cristobell,

If as BHH claims, they have the names of the suspects - those suspected of taking the little girl from the apartment? - and if as you suggest these are persons in the McCann inner circle, the creepy vicar and his even creepier wife (she's got to be creepier than him to have hooked up with him) creepy Payne & his pals (who have to be at best, as creepy as he is) are we saying - they harmed Madeleine are involved in her disappearance and Mr & Mrs know/don't know that they are?

Would be unlikely don't you think, that if these are the people involved that Mr & Mrs wouldn't know of their involvement? In which case, IF SY are in fact about to pounce on these persons (though I won't hold my breath on that one) that pouncing on Mr & Mrs would soon follow?

Would Payne have made contact with his pals, those who supplied him with the mobile phones before Madeleine's disappearance? When did the creepy vicar appear on the scene. If I recall correctly, he hadn't long been in PDL?

I think we could speculate until the cows come home as to the names in the ILR. And how many letters have there been now, three?

As to Blacksmith, I'm inclined to take his blog with a pinch of salt. so many times, he makes statements, only later to retract them.

The police asking the tapas lot if they knew persons by the name of Irwin still I have to say, intrigues me. They did not, at least not to my knowledge ask the tapas lot if the names of others who dined in the restaurant that night, meant anything to them. Has to be a reason why they asked them about the name Irwin.

Peter Mac mentioned Chaplin's and of course, the other nights at tapas restaurant. Mr is the type to spread himself about, loud - if there were two females, no matter their age, he'd be sure to introduce himself. Police had something in mind I would say when they asked them about 'Irwin'

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by marconi 24.02.14 21:31

Cristobell,

I would imagine all the ex pats in PDL and the surrounding areas have been interviewed to death for the past 7 years. But regardless, I would be more inclined to look towards the McCann's inner circle. The guy who stored the hire car for them (whose name I can't remember, sorry) and the caring vicar and his wife.

Exactly what I think too, Cristobell.
Always did.

by Bishop Brennan 25.02.14 4:13

marconi wrote:Cristobell,

I would imagine all the ex pats in PDL and the surrounding areas have been interviewed to death for the past 7 years. But regardless, I would be more inclined to look towards the McCann's inner circle. The guy who stored the hire car for them (whose name I can't remember, sorry) and the caring vicar and his wife.

Exactly what I think too, Cristobell.
Always did.

But what about the international CW programs? If the ILR names are not Portuguese, then perhaps German or Dutch? Perhaps that will be the next focus for the red-tops?!

by plebgate 25.02.14 9:34

RE. BS flouncing off - as a poster on here once said - he has had more come backs than Frank Sinatra. big grin

I still don't think BS know any more than we do.

by kitchen 25.02.14 19:02

plebgate wrote:RE. BS flouncing off - as a poster on here once said - he has had more come backs than Frank Sinatra.

I still don't think BS know any more than we do.

He seems to have flounced back again today.

by comperedna 26.02.14 14:41

It is a good and worthwhile article from Blacksmith this time IMHO.

by stillsloppingout 26.02.14 15:17

The Blacksmith Bureau BS thats for sure . spout enough and hopefully one thing you say may get lucky .

I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he said no National paper has anything on the McCann's . WRONG

The ALLEGED !!!! swinging allegedly there is a tape !!! . whether it is them i doubt [ seeing Gerry in the act ,would be enough to turn even the strongest stomach ] clapping

,but probably somebody coming forward for cash . believe me if the dam of Highly paid lawyers ever broke , there are many people who will come forward .

IT IS JUST FEAR OF THE LAWYERS THE " ALLEGED SUPER THING THAT CAN NOT BE NAMED " , AND NOW THE BROOKS CASE, THAT THE PRESS ARE SCARED OF .plus they are making money out of it in times of declining sales ,

Initially it was of the band of high standing people who had jumped on the bandwagon, the press were worried about coupled with the lawyers .Bad for career if you dare rock the boat and swim against the tide, with it being the first Global " " crime " in the twitter social media age .

[it strikes a similar cord to Knox in the USA ] Nasty Italian's, Flee the country ,get Media campaign to raise money , national TV Ophrah , Clever PR campaign , now its we need all your help we are fighting this together . Brilliant .

Unlucky for her it looks like Her Ex is going to cut and run . but she will never go back .

by AndyB 26.02.14 15:37

stillsloppingout wrote:I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he said no National paper has anything on the McCann's . WRONG

Care to expand on this?

by aiyoyo 26.02.14 15:55

Anyone with a modicum of brain cells would know that every Police Force keeps Dossiers on burglars, no secret about it - that is basic common knowledge.
This story of an anonymous business woman claiming to know this is bunkum, showing Mitchell has lost his storyteller talent, as for story to be believable it has to have substance. This mickey lousy mouse tale is such a bad fabrication as it supposes this nameless and faceless business-woman-creature has a source for such info. And who might her source be? Surely not the Police!

Kate is the only other woman renting villa claiming knowledge of the files existence.
It's bleeding obvious Kate was morphed into a villa renting busy-ness woman. A part-time-locum ambitiously earning extras by certifying 6 corpses can be considered business minded I suppose.

by stillsloppingout 26.02.14 16:20

AndyB wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he said no National paper has anything on the McCann's . WRONG
Care to expand on this?

If i have anything to say that is important i learned from the 3a's days its best not post stuff . all i will say is whenever a major story breaks, there are always people who realise the value of information ' Tip Fee " . [ i don't really do news stuff anymore, not that i ever did much , but hiding in the back of blacked out vans, putting bricks under rear wheels , [ Visiting Brothel's !!!! ] is a young mans game !!! but when my path ever crosses a couple of people who i know were out there initially, and since, both in Citys starting with L ,i always ask a few questions . i always get the same answer ' We / they all know they did it , it's just proving it now "

For Eg the press know the whereabouts of most if not all killers that are now at large . info is stored . even if it can never be used . due to court orders etc. [ its the same in this case nobody i have spoke to really knows what is going on ,BS wont get any info at grassroots, it would have to come from the very top .

The more a story is in the public domain the more ppl add info to the party [ Phillpotts being classic reporters getting all sorts of stuff in the street for £20 a time ] . BB stated in as many words that the MSM have not got any info on the McS that is totally incorrect .

As in comedy timing is everything . even more so if political will is possibly preventing any punchline being delivered . that is the Million dollar question . which i do not know the answer , as i have said before , the Macs are nobody's, if Brooks can swing [ with her contacts and SECRETS ] they certainly can , and judging by the poor standard of there witnesses ,it appears they are on there own .

by jeanmonroe 27.02.14 10:36

Last year the officer in day-to-day charge of the review, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, said his team had identified 195 potential leads after examining a huge bundle of material.

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So, 195 - 3 (burglars) ONLY leaves DCI Redwood with another 192 potential 'leads' to identify.

Shouldn't take DCI Redwood, with his 'slowly, slowly, catchy monkey' more than 34 YEARS to 'find' that lot!

Based on just 3 'burglar/suspects' = 6 months 'investigation'

Ergo, 6 'suspects' = 1 year's 'investigation'.

SO, 192 'suspects' = 34 YEARS!

by nglfi 27.02.14 15:26

That's quite a depressing thought. I'm imagining in 50 years time when I am infirm and near the end, reading a small segment in one of the papers saying something like 'a secret dossier has come to light which proves the notorious mccanns killed their daughter.' By which point nobody will care or even know who they are anymore, and they themselves will have passed on!! I sincerely hope this won't be a Jimmy Savile type case where the perpetrator never gets any comeuppance or ever feels guilty for what they have done.

by lj 28.02.14 4:37

jeanmonroe wrote:Last year the officer in day-to-day charge of the review, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, said his team had identified 195 potential leads after examining a huge bundle of material.

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So, 195 - 3 (burglars) ONLY leaves DCI Redwood with another 192 potential 'leads' to identify.

Shouldn't take DCI Redwood, with his 'slowly, slowly, catchy monkey' more than 34 YEARS to 'find' that lot!

Based on just 3 'burglar/suspects' = 6 months 'investigation'

Ergo, 6 'suspects' = 1 year's 'investigation'.

SO, 192 'suspects' = 34 YEARS!

Oh Jean, you make my head hurt!

Your math is good but horryfying. Imagine how Andy would look after 34 yrs of operation grange!

by j.rob 23.08.14 19:06

IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Is Kate getting in first when she mentions the bed and sexual activity ?

I do recall something relating to the Portuguese keeping back a list of known BRITISH pedophiles in the area at the time of the 'incident' at the request of the BRITS.

I wonder who they might be?

Gasper statements
CATS number/s
Holiday maker Nigel objecting to TM video-recording his three year old daughter playing mini tennis at Ocean Club that week

Matt and Gerry taking part in a creepy and totally unhelpful (in terms of 'finding' Madeleine) "reconstruction" of Matt's "final check" on the twins and Madeleine at 9.30pm in the 'Madeleine was Here' series

The frequent references to paedophiles in Kate's book

The claim by TM that it is likely that Madeleine was stolen by paedophile/s

Russell, in police statements, claiming that you worry about a small number of sick perverts "rather than a complete stranger". Or words to that effect

Jeremy Wilkins tells police he saw 'rasta-man' (later apparently identified by police as a fellow guest at OC and a friend of Gerrys) behaving suspiciously in the tapas restaurant on Thursday evening. He later retracts this 'sighting'

Kate in her book claims there were a string of sex attacks on British girls on holiday in the Algarve in previous years. Which apparently tour operators had attempted to hush up. She claims that attacker locked the parents' bedroom door and even, in one case: "put on some of the father's aftershave in an attempt to soothe or deceive the child." Kate claims that the former British consul who told her about this: "thought that an immigrant construction worker had been arrested and released pending trial, which was likely to take place some years down the line. Unbelievable. "

Where is the evidence for Kate's above claim?

Kate: "Gradually, my outlook was growing more positive and I was beginning to get past my early certainty that Madeleine must have been taken by a paedophile and murdered." (Madeleine, page 296).

by j.rob 23.08.14 19:12

Amazing how the words so come out of the horses' mouths.

IMO

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