Re: McCanns dispute DCI Redwood's dismissal of Tannerman

by aiyoyo 22.01.14 21:30

Portia wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
russiandoll wrote:No e- fits or sketches on the site when I clicked on the link and I have only seen Smithman via FB page.

The text below is still there, however, and is rather cheeky given their promotion of Tannerman after Redwood's statement.

Thursday, 24 October 2013
We are very pleased that the investigation to find our missing daughter Madeleine has officially been reopened in Portugal. We hope that this will finally lead to her being found and the discovery of who is responsible for this crime.
We once again urge any member of the public who may have information relating to Madeleine's abduction to contact the police in Portugal or the UK.
Please be patient and respect the work of the police as they endeavour to find the answers we so desperately need. In particular, we request that the media consider carefully Madeleine’s safety and the integrity of the investigation in their reporting.

Hoe did they apply that to their site?

They urged public to be patient ? in what respect ? In the search for Madeleine ?
Or in people's eagerness to know when the Police are going to drag them to the dock ?

Not only they have a message for the Public they also issued a warning message to the Media. The flaming cheeks of this pair of arrogant twats.

Seems they are in no hurry to recover Madeleine.

It's completely infuriating isn't it? Each time they do/say anything it just leaves you agog with the sheer nerve of the arrogance.

A bit like this…

:wtf2:

We take it they're waiting patiently for this to happen "We hope that this will finally lead to her being found and the discovery of who is responsible for this crime."

They can wait till kingdom cometh and it won't happen!

THIS crime: which crime would that be, pray?

"We once again urge any member of the public who may have information relating to Madeleine's abduction to contact the police in Portugal or the UK."

The Crime of abduction naturally, what else ?
The three burglars are still at large.
If you see Burglar X Y or Z passing by your window, call the Police.

Rich of them to urge people to be patient and to respect the work of the Police.
They who accused Grange, DCI Redwood of lying.
They who showed contempt for Police's work by defying Tannerman elimination.

by paradigm67 22.01.14 22:19

RIPM wrote:IMO The Macs are not working against S.Y. and Redwood. Redwood is working with them under instructions to ensure the Macs are not convicted of any offence.

I'm sorry to say I have to agree. I know that there are many that think that AR is playing some sort of TV Drama Psychological games but the truth is that the police don't work that way. With so much at stake and so much money spent then they simply wouldn't play it out in this manner. I simply don't think that this will ever be solved in public. Too much time has gone on and all of the facts are out there, no matter how obfuscated TM have tried t make them.

Too many people in too many high places have too much to lose now from their initial backing of Team McCann. If Brown had any inkling or involvement in covering it up, it word would have got to Cameron at some point. do we really think that a PM could resist from completely burying another political party given the choice. I have the utmost respect for everyone who supplies all the info and for being pointed in the PJ files to allow me to read for myself and make up my own opinions. I just have to concede to myself at this point and so many years down the line that unless a body turns up or one of the 9 has a breakdown and confesses then this whole thing really ended years ago. SY are going through the motions as ridiculous as they are.

Sherlock Homes (A Study in Scarlet) quote:

'I consider that a man's brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool takes in all the lumber of every sort that he comes across, so that the knowledge which might be useful to him gets crowded out, or at best is jumbled up with a lot of other things, so that he has a difficulty in laying his hands on it. Now the skillful workman is very careful indeed as to what he takes into his brain-attic. He will have nothing but the tools which may help him in doing his work, but of these he has a large assortment, and all in the most perfect order. It is a mistake to think that little room has elastic walls and can distend to any extent. Depend uon it - there comes a time when for every addition of knowledge you forget something that you knew before. It is of the highest importance, therefore, not to have useless facts elbowing out the useful ones.'

Which of the above fits the way that AR and SY seem to be handling this?

by canada12 22.01.14 22:44

On the other hand, if AR and his team were to solve this and bring about an arrest and trial involving KH, GM and possibly other Tapas 9 members, think what a coup it would be for his career and SY. Regardless of the politics involved. A chance to prove that they are indeed above the grasp of the politicians.

I remain hopefully optimistic.

by Okeydokey 22.01.14 22:59

canada12 wrote:On the other hand, if AR and his team were to solve this and bring about an arrest and trial involving KH, GM and possibly other Tapas 9 members, think what a coup it would be for his career and SY. Regardless of the politics involved. A chance to prove that they are indeed above the grasp of the politicians.

I remain hopefully optimistic.

There's absolutely no reason to be optimistic. Why hasn't he reinterviewed all the Tapas 9 if he is really interested in taking this forward?

by Guest 22.01.14 23:05

I so wish I could remain optimistic. I have read and considered all the posts (though some of which leave me more confused and bewildered).

I see no way that this can reach a satisfactory conclusion now. Too much time has passed, too many lies have been told, and too much influence wielded.

I have no answers, I just cannot understand how this has gone on for so long and the perpetrators haven't been caught/accused.

I just despair. I believe in honesty, absolute truthfulness and justice. Is that so odd? Nowadays I frequently feel I am living in a different reality and what I consider acceptable

is no longer considered a necessary part of society.

by Cristobell 22.01.14 23:05

I think you are being a little pessimistic Paradigm. Are you suggesting, that having thrown even more millions into the investigation, that it will be shelved without a conclusion? I really cannot see that happening, the case is too high profile to brush under the carpet, and Operation Grange must be able to justify the money that has been spent and continues to be spent. Reports will have to be written, and those reports will have to stand up to scrutiny, especially when new information comes to light, which it will. This is a cold case that will never go away. There are too many people worldwide who have taken an interest in whatever it was that caused the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, and some will never give up.

Added to which there is a simultaneous investigation going on in Portugal. The PJ having stubbornly refused to re-open the case for 5+ years without new evidence, that they have now re-opened it suggests they have that new evidence and a conclusion is in sight. While it could feasibly be argued that the UK might protect the McCanns, there is no reason whatsoever for Portugal to do the same.

I feel the McCanns are moving into a defensive position. The latest press story was embarrassingly obvious, no-one is buying the burglar story and it clearly came from the McCanns. I agree with the earlier poster who pointed out that Tannerman is the last resort. He has propped up the abduction story from the very beginning and he doesn't look like Gerry. As Scotland Yard and the McCanns are clearly at odds over the 'abductor', I don't see how they are working together.

by aiyoyo 22.01.14 23:45

Over defensive in fact ? Against what though?

by paradigm67 22.01.14 23:46

Cristobell wrote:I think you are being a little pessimistic Paradigm. Are you suggesting, that having thrown even more millions into the investigation, that it will be shelved without a conclusion? I really cannot see that happening, the case is too high profile to brush under the carpet, and Operation Grange must be able to justify the money that has been spent and continues to be spent. Reports will have to be written, and those reports will have to stand up to scrutiny, especially when new information comes to light, which it will. This is a cold case that will never go away. There are too many people worldwide who have taken an interest in whatever it was that caused the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, and some will never give up.

Added to which there is a simultaneous investigation going on in Portugal. The PJ having stubbornly refused to re-open the case for 5+ years without new evidence, that they have now re-opened it suggests they have that new evidence and a conclusion is in sight. While it could feasibly be argued that the UK might protect the McCanns, there is no reason whatsoever for Portugal to do the same.

I feel the McCanns are moving into a defensive position. The latest press story was embarrassingly obvious, no-one is buying the burglar story and it clearly came from the McCanns. I agree with the earlier poster who pointed out that Tannerman is the last resort. He has propped up the abduction story from the very beginning and he doesn't look like Gerry. As Scotland Yard and the McCanns are clearly at odds over the 'abductor', I don't see how they are working together.

Hi Cristobell. I don't want to be pessimistic with regard to one day having the correct outcome for this case. Its the first time I know where all the police files have been published which allowed so many people to build up what they had already observed by the very media that TM courted and propagated and form their own conclusions.

Their downfall (if not in court or if ever in any proceedings) is that they are simply not as clever as they would like to think - however, so far, its still worked in their favour. I personally think it was too well orchestrated from the outset with the way and speed at which relatives, media etc were involved. That has to take some planning. Their stories would have to have been rehearsed and the whole lot are complicit. I just don't think they were ever aware that the PJ files would be made available. That sealed the fate to those who picked their media campaign and crocodile tears apart.

I just think that after all this time, with everything that is known as fact that we would not have a police force that only several months ago were purporting the burglar connection on national TV. After 6 and a half years of not much new happening, what would change their stance in a couple of months. SY have been ineffectual since the beginning, possibly hampered with pride, outside influence or internal influence. AR as far as I can see (and I hope I'm wrong) is just the patsy in this. No more positive, useful or believable than Clarence is. I think that after so many years of blaming everyone but the obvious. Wasting thousands of man hours, millions of pounds and chasing rainbows that if they turn around now and say that its the parents there will be hell on. They are in no way going to announce a conclusion that PJ came to 6 years ago after trying to pick up every stray dog in Portugal and slating the PJ. It'd make them look even worse than they do now. God Forbid the Police could do with a bit of positive publicity. I think that whatever they may already know or may find out, it'll never come to light as they (AR and SY) have as much to lose as Team McCann do and the loss of that will always take precedence over the justice for one little girl. That sounds horrible and its not how I think but I don't see that there will be any other conclusion.

This site is incredibly insightful and thoughtful but I just think there are greater and a damn site more insidious powers at work.

Sorry, that's just how I see it. I read so much on here and I have ultimate respect for everyone as there has been so much cross referencing of info, I find it staggering. Personally I find it more believable that this forum has a greater ability to conjugate all the info and facts and provide the most believable scenarios than SY could ever do. I really hope I'm wrong re SY but I don't think that much more will be done and that eventually TM will fade into the memory of the general populace - don't think that will ever be an option on here.

by Mirage 22.01.14 23:48

I completely understand the range of sentiments expressed in the last few posts because I go through most of them on a daily basis.

It is very hard after all this time to stomach what is going on and try to keep some faith that there are decent investigators at SY who go home to families and have a conscience and sense of duty. The unreality of the McCanns' manipulative behaviour is troubling for anyone who cares about the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren. I am in total sympathy with daffodil and often feel I am living in a parallel universe.

The truth is we have a very dark nasty society, of which the McCann case is a daily reminder to those of us who are awake. It is quite evident to me that there is a network of deeply unpleasant sociopathic manipulators who have sprung up in our society and insinuated themselves into positions of influence. This fight is not just about the McCanns. I believe many of us are here because we understand that two crassly hedonistic individuals now represent a threat to democracy and justice in this country.

by Guest 22.01.14 23:48

A big question arises out of this latest twist for me.

When Crecheman was unveiled triumphantly by SY, it was done in such a way so that Tanner's testimony of the sighting of Tannerman was not undermined - Tanner retained her credibility as a witness. This raised a few eyebrows as if, as most believe, Tannerman was a work of fiction, how could Crecheman exist? We wondered: was this tactic employed to frighten Jane Tanner and unnerve the Tapas 9 - how could the Met find a man who never existed? Or was it the result of a deal between Tanner and the Met - "Look, love, we know you've made him up - that's a crime, by the way - and we need to get rid of him. We also need more help with what really happened that night. We'll protect your reputation if you cooperate with us and what's more we'll make sure you're protected when the shit hits the fan..." sort of thing.

If the latter, I wonder what Jane Tanner makes of the McCanns' defying the Met? Is she still prepared - IF she made him up, and also knowing that the police know she made him up, to stand by her 'sighting' of Tannerman publicly and in a court of law? Will she remain by the McCanns' side after the police have given her an escape route already?

All speculation based on imagined scenarios on my part.

by Guest 22.01.14 23:51

Mirage wrote:I completely understand the range of sentiments expressed in the last few posts because I go through most of them on a daily basis.

It is very hard after all this time to stomach what is going on and try to keep some faith that there are decent investigators at SY who go home to families and have a conscience and sense of duty. The unreality of the McCanns' manipulative behaviour is troubling for anyone who cares about the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren. I am in total sympathy with daffodil and often feel I am living in a parallel universe.

The truth is we have a very dark nasty society, of which the McCann case is a daily reminder to those of us who are awake. It is quite evident to me that there is a network of deeply unpleasant sociopathic manipulators who have sprung up in our society and insinuated themselves into positions of influence. This fight is not just about the McCanns. I believe many of us are here because we understand that two crassly hedonistic individuals now represent a threat to democracy and justice in this country.

Wonderful post.

by Mirage 22.01.14 23:56

Thanks DeeCoy.

by **tigger** 23.01.14 6:47

Brilliant posts the last couple of pages! Thank you all. clapping1

So it looks like a whitewash I agree. But TM aren't going to be allowed to keep all their toys and like recalcitrant children they're trying to hang onto them. Don't forget that Gerry is very keen on 'control'.

As for politics - whatever Brown did must have been to cover other interests which are likely to be of benefit to whatever party is in power.
Otherwise it would be used by the opposition, although a good time might be the coming elections. Won't hold my breath though. I'm afraid you're right.

by Seek truth 23.01.14 6:53

canada12 wrote:I wonder if we'll start to see a concerted effort on behalf of Team McCann to try and discredit SY and AR now. Trying the same tricks that they tried with the PJ in Portugal? Trying to make the police look like incompetent bumblers...?

I doubt they would dare do that to SY. !!

But why like to confuse things?
And how comes they're allowed to, they haven't been told to update their site?
Strange.

bored

It's like they're all sleeping. Going on for so long It's so boring now.

by Angelique 23.01.14 6:53

Mirage wrote:I completely understand the range of sentiments expressed in the last few posts because I go through most of them on a daily basis.

It is very hard after all this time to stomach what is going on and try to keep some faith that there are decent investigators at SY who go home to families and have a conscience and sense of duty. The unreality of the McCanns' manipulative behaviour is troubling for anyone who cares about the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren. I am in total sympathy with daffodil and often feel I am living in a parallel universe.

The truth is we have a very dark nasty society, of which the McCann case is a daily reminder to those of us who are awake. It is quite evident to me that there is a network of deeply unpleasant sociopathic manipulators who have sprung up in our society and insinuated themselves into positions of influence. This fight is not just about the McCanns. I believe many of us are here because we understand that two crassly hedonistic individuals now represent a threat to democracy and justice in this country.

I too agree that this sums up the situation that is prevailing at the moment.

But it is all what I expected to happen as regard the SY Review now Investigation. I never anticipated that it would be anything other than this. It's what the Government intended to happen whether by their own design or as suggested "others" manipulating the outcome. I believe that it became obvious that the general public were not going to accept abduction and that the only way to shut us up was to have SY Review and still we would not accept "abduction" so they pushed it to an Investigation. It very much like "we'll stuff it down their throats" until they protest enough is enough. And here we are protesting that it has become ridiculous and a waste of money. this is the outcome those who have an interest in this wanted.

by russiandoll 23.01.14 7:33

Interesting to note on their site how the subtle playing with language makes it appear that the Met is the holder of the opinion that there might only be a tiny chance crèche dad is not who they believe he is, but that tiny chance means he should still be in the minds of the public :

Based or more recent information, the Metropolitan Police now believe this man may represent a guest at the Ocean Club who was carrying his daughter back to their apartment. However as it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person,

now believe = until their revelation moment, the Met accepted that Tannerman was the abductor.

it is not possible to be certain : would have been better if they had used absolutely or 100% here, but it still rings true with Andy's saying that he was [only] almost certain, leaving a tiny grain of doubt re crecheman which the Mcs have [ as I am sure Redwood predicted] exploited.

Whilst making it sound as if the Met holds this opinion, the key word HOWEVER shows quite subtly that the first sentence is the Met's belief. The following sentence, beginning with HOWEVER, shows a contradiction by the site of the aforementioned position of the police re Tannerman.
After HOWEVER, the pronoun THEY ref to the police is not used, but the vague " it is not possible to be certain.. "

so a double whammy, defy the police while making the public think that this is the opinion of the police, who have, if the public bother to read the Met web site, IDENTIFIED Tannerman. Not almost identified. Out of the investigation.

Despite this clear statement by the Met, the McCann site still has Tannerman there, with this advice completing the paragraph I quoted above

if you have seen this man in the pictures or suspect who it may be, please contact the Metropolitan Police's OPERATION GRANGE

Surely Andy would have had a pre CW chat re this with the couple? I wonder what was said.

by AndyB 23.01.14 7:56

Okeydokey wrote:
There's absolutely no reason to be optimistic. Why hasn't he reinterviewed all the Tapas 9 if he is really interested in taking this forward?

How do you know he hasn't?

by Smokeandmirrors 23.01.14 8:05

There have been some really good points raised on this thread - this planting of a seed of doubt regarding Scotland Yard is extremely interesting. The element of control is very much evident, it is saying to the public that despite a multi-million pound review and investigation, the Met are working WITH the McCanns, that the McCanns are playing an important role in the investigation. Now, we all suspect that the so called searching and appealing for info to be sent directly to the mcCanns in the years gone by, is not necessarily because "no-one is actively searching" but rather to have control over every aspect. There was a video clip where the Mc's (Kate I think) responded to an interviewer, saying they were going to look through all leads and information and decide what was important or not - very strange attitude, how the hell would they know what is important? They are not police or investigators.

And we had Gerry talking to Paxo, and when Paxo talked about reaping a media whirlwind, Gerry made yet another strange response, something along the lines of "we had very clear objectives of what WE wanted."

Same as applying for assistant status in Portugal, another attempt to control everything. They have bleated on for years about what they wanted, yet AR on CW dismissing Tannerman was NOT to the Gruesome's liking. They have previously said this was the only sighting they attributed importance to, they withheld e-fits, demanded a report be kept secret as it was critical of them and so on.

Just when anyone appears to be getting closer to an explanation or making any progress they want to shut it down, turn the focus elsewhere.

I just trust in the fact that various police personal, behavioural analysts, etc are viewing this obstructive behaviour for what it is, awkward and time wasting. There is NEVER any statement from the McCanns that has a degree of urgency about it, EVERYTHING they say and do has the air of projecting into the future. One never senses impatience from people who want a child back ASAP, but always a feeling of delay, looking further into the future, obstructing each and every development.

Their often cited lack of an emotional roller coaster regarding sighting is very telling. Anyone who thought their child was out there waiting to be found would be unable to stop themselves grasping at even the slightest possibility with both hands that someone had found her.

They dismiss every potential opportunity out of hand as if it is a huge inconvenience.

by Zoodle 23.01.14 8:12

Mirage wrote:I completely understand the range of sentiments expressed in the last few posts because I go through most of them on a daily basis.

It is very hard after all this time to stomach what is going on and try to keep some faith that there are decent investigators at SY who go home to families and have a conscience and sense of duty. The unreality of the McCanns' manipulative behaviour is troubling for anyone who cares about the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren. I am in total sympathy with daffodil and often feel I am living in a parallel universe.

The truth is we have a very dark nasty society, of which the McCann case is a daily reminder to those of us who are awake. It is quite evident to me that there is a network of deeply unpleasant sociopathic manipulators who have sprung up in our society and insinuated themselves into positions of influence. This fight is not just about the McCanns. I believe many of us are here because we understand that two crassly hedonistic individuals now represent a threat to democracy and justice in this country.

Hello Mirage,

I have to say I am more of a reader and rarely a poster on this site, but I also have to say how much I agree with the above words.
Whilst I never lose sight of the missing little girl, the damage this does to me as a patriot is immense! My Father fought all the second world war and my grandfathers on both sides of the family fought in the first. I feel sad indeed because they fought for democracy, freedom and fair justice and not for deceipt.

by Rasputin 23.01.14 8:39

Zoodle wrote:
Mirage wrote:I completely understand the range of sentiments expressed in the last few posts because I go through most of them on a daily basis.

It is very hard after all this time to stomach what is going on and try to keep some faith that there are decent investigators at SY who go home to families and have a conscience and sense of duty. The unreality of the McCanns' manipulative behaviour is troubling for anyone who cares about the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren. I am in total sympathy with daffodil and often feel I am living in a parallel universe.

The truth is we have a very dark nasty society, of which the McCann case is a daily reminder to those of us who are awake. It is quite evident to me that there is a network of deeply unpleasant sociopathic manipulators who have sprung up in our society and insinuated themselves into positions of influence. This fight is not just about the McCanns. I believe many of us are here because we understand that two crassly hedonistic individuals now represent a threat to democracy and justice in this country.

Hello Mirage,

I have to say I am more of a reader and rarely a poster on this site, but I also have to say how much I agree with the above words.
Whilst I never lose sight of the missing little girl, the damage this does to me as a patriot is immense! My Father fought all the second world war and my grandfathers on both sides of the family fought in the first. I feel sad indeed because they fought for democracy, freedom and fair justice and not for deceipt.

I have to say I also found this post moving Mirage , I have 2 young children I want to thrive in a just and honest place ...the UK as it stands right now is neither .

by The Slave 23.01.14 8:48

Mirage wrote:I completely understand the range of sentiments expressed in the last few posts because I go through most of them on a daily basis.

It is very hard after all this time to stomach what is going on and try to keep some faith that there are decent investigators at SY who go home to families and have a conscience and sense of duty. The unreality of the McCanns' manipulative behaviour is troubling for anyone who cares about the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren. I am in total sympathy with daffodil and often feel I am living in a parallel universe.

The truth is we have a very dark nasty society, of which the McCann case is a daily reminder to those of us who are awake. It is quite evident to me that there is a network of deeply unpleasant sociopathic manipulators who have sprung up in our society and insinuated themselves into positions of influence. This fight is not just about the McCanns. I believe many of us are here because we understand that two crassly hedonistic individuals now represent a threat to democracy and justice in this country.

Spot on. We are living through incredible times. We are being governed by sociopaths.
Lies, lies, and more lies everywhere.I don't like it.
I too think the world is turned upside down.

by tiny 23.01.14 9:05

Is this a case of look here and not over there(libel trial)

by Guest 23.01.14 9:23

Okeydokey wrote:
canada12 wrote:On the other hand, if AR and his team were to solve this and bring about an arrest and trial involving KH, GM and possibly other Tapas 9 members, think what a coup it would be for his career and SY. Regardless of the politics involved. A chance to prove that they are indeed above the grasp of the politicians.

I remain hopefully optimistic.

There's absolutely no reason to be optimistic. Why hasn't he reinterviewed all the Tapas 9 if he is really interested in taking this forward?

Maybe he has, or will. No one is going to tell the world, are they?

But I'm still wondering about DP and Fiona setting up shop together; could it be that they have sung like canaries, or are on AR/SY's shortlist, and they want to protect their financial assets from being seized by 'some injured party' claiming damages for tort/libel?

by canada12 23.01.14 9:56

Portia wrote:

But I'm still wondering about DP and Fiona setting up shop together; could it be that they have sung like canaries, or are on AR/SY's shortlist, and they want to protect their financial assets from being seized by 'some injured party' claiming damages for tort/libel?

Extremely good point!

by watendlath 23.01.14 9:58

If this is a whitewash then what better way could there be of disguising it, making it look real, than having the McCanns at odds with Scotland Yard over their findings?

by Guest 23.01.14 10:01

Portia wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:
canada12 wrote:On the other hand, if AR and his team were to solve this and bring about an arrest and trial involving KH, GM and possibly other Tapas 9 members, think what a coup it would be for his career and SY. Regardless of the politics involved. A chance to prove that they are indeed above the grasp of the politicians.

I remain hopefully optimistic.

There's absolutely no reason to be optimistic. Why hasn't he reinterviewed all the Tapas 9 if he is really interested in taking this forward?

Maybe he has, or will. No one is going to tell the world, are they?

But I'm still wondering about DP and Fiona setting up shop together; could it be that they have sung like canaries, or are on AR/SY's shortlist, and they want to protect their financial assets from being seized by 'some injured party' claiming damages for tort/libel?

"Setting up shop together"? Is this a reference to a new development I haven't heard about? Sorry if I'm being dim, but I'm not sure what this means.

Re earlier posts about the McCanns wanting to "keep" Tannerman as a suspect, despite the fact that the Met clearly describe him as "man now identified by Operation Grange" on their website: in the end doesn't it come down to what Jane Tanner says? She is the person who saw him. If she says she's certain that the man she saw is "innocent dad", then it would be very hard to argue against her. The only way to do so, I'd have thought, would be to point out that she was a long way away, it was dark and neither Gerry nor Jez saw her on the street at the same time as them anyway. But these are the very same things that have always made her story doubtful. If she is discredited as a witness, her abductor sighting becomes irrelevant anyway.

It seems highly unlikely that Scotland Yard would have promoted "innocent dad" so heavily on Crimewatch if Jane Tanner hadn't said with some certainty that he was the man she saw – one word from her expressing doubts about him and it would have been all over the newspapers, but this hasn't happened. This suggests to me that Jane Tanner's viewpoint and the McCanns are not entirely as one on this matter.

by **PeterMac** 23.01.14 10:05

see below. Duplicate, sorry

by **PeterMac** 23.01.14 10:14

How is it possible to misinterpret this from Grange ?

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Or this from the McCanns
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EITHER DCI Redwood is an out and out liar, and has lied on an important television programme
OR the McCanns . . . .

by russiandoll 23.01.14 10:25

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There are too many coincidences and Andy, like Kate, does not do coincidences.

by canada12 23.01.14 10:26

To me it looks like a deliberate attempt by the McCanns to get their supporters to ~~harass~~ distract SY with alternate theories and ideas about who Tannerman could be. Thus slowing down the investigation even more. (note: keyword, slow down time, something Kate deliberately mentioned in her Christmas message on the website). If the investigation has to go and follow up more leads then this obviously delays the conclusions - since no stone must be left unturned in this thorough investigation.