Re: McCanns dispute DCI Redwood's dismissal of Tannerman

by **PeterMac** 31.01.14 23:13

ultimaThule wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:If they didn't have the older Payne child, (didn't she normally go to Maddie's creche in the morning) where was she (the kid) if not on the beach, yet appears to have been 're-collected' in time from where ? for the Paraiso CCTV tea time.
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All 'staged'
"It couldn't be us look here we all are at the Cafe"
"Couldn't be Kate look there she is running and waving"
"I wonder why Kate didn't jog over to us all and get herself seen on the CCTV?"
If, IF, 'something' had happened to Madeleine about that time (5:30pm onwards) that would leave time for a 'sniffer' scent to occur.
If, IF, 'something' had happened to Madeleine, it couldn't have been earlier than 3 May 2007 because KM told us that on the morning of that particular day, the child asked 'where were you when Sean and I cried?'
It couldn't have happened earlier than 6pm because, as KM has told us, she carried Madeleine who was exhausted after, to coin PeterMac's phrase, a strenuous session of finger painting back to 5A around that time.
It couldn't have happened earlier than 7pm because, as KM has told us, Madeleine was happily engaged in hearing two bedtime stories, playing with her mother's engagement ring, and scoffing milk and biscuits, before that time.
It couldn't have happened earlier than < insert appropriate time > because < insert one of KM or GM's tales >
All the world's a stage and the worlds of some are more staged than others.

And it couldn't have happened on the 3rd at all, because the Last Photo is totally wrong.
The McCann's usual 'over insistence' that the "Last Photo" was taken on 3rd at lunchtime has been blown out of the water.
The best match is lunchtime on Sunday 29th.

by **PeterMac** 31.01.14 23:18

Updated list of SY and PJ's prime suspects - shameless nicked with all acknowledgements from another place.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked into apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
~~Smithman~~
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
~~Yvonne Martin Man~~
Zulus (from Birmingham)

by MRNOODLES 31.01.14 23:25

PeterMac wrote:Updated list of SY and PJ's prime suspects - shameless nicked with all acknowledgements from another place.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked into apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
~~Smithman~~
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
~~Yvonne Martin Man~~
Zulus (from Birmingham)

~~Murat~~

by aiyoyo 31.01.14 23:31

PeterMac wrote:Updated list of SY and PJ's prime suspects - shameless nicked with all acknowledgements from another place.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked into apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
~~Smithman~~
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
~~Yvonne Martin Man~~
Zulus (from Birmingham)

26 letters in the alphabet, 2 crossed out ones, leaving 24. Still a long way to go to reach Nr. 41.

Only when 41 of them are eliminated then Redwood will be out of job unless he finds something quickly to occupy time as well as to account to taxpayers.
He may have to start another list - this time list of "suspects"

by Woofer 31.01.14 23:33

MRNOODLES wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Updated list of SY and PJ's prime suspects - shameless nicked with all acknowledgements from another place.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked into apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
~~Smithman~~
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
~~Yvonne Martin Man~~
Zulus (from Birmingham)

~~Murat~~

What about `the Germans` - Michael Whatsit QC

by MRNOODLES 01.02.14 0:02

aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Updated list of SY and PJ's prime suspects - shameless nicked with all acknowledgements from another place.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked into apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
~~Smithman~~
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
~~Yvonne Martin Man~~
Zulus (from Birmingham)

26 letters in the alphabet, 2 crossed out ones, leaving 24. Still a long way to go to reach Nr. 41.

Only when 41 of them are eliminated then Redwood will be out of job unless he finds something quickly to occupy time as well as to account to taxpayers.
He may have to start another list - this time list of "suspects"

Deeerrrrr Sorry didn't spot it was an A to Z

by Guest 01.02.14 10:15

PeterMac wrote:

And it couldn't have happened on the 3rd at all, because the Last Photo is totally wrong.
The McCann's usual 'over insistence' that the "Last Photo" was taken on 3rd at lunchtime has been blown out of the water.
The best match is lunchtime on Sunday 29th.

Whatever you think about the authenticity of the last photo, or when it was taken, or by who, the fact that it didn't turn up until three weeks later means, to me, that it should be discounted as any kind of "evidence" of anything apart from some kind of attempt to deceive.

by canada12 01.02.14 10:54

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
PeterMac wrote:

And it couldn't have happened on the 3rd at all, because the Last Photo is totally wrong.
The McCann's usual 'over insistence' that the "Last Photo" was taken on 3rd at lunchtime has been blown out of the water.
The best match is lunchtime on Sunday 29th.

Whatever you think about the authenticity of the last photo, or when it was taken, or by who, the fact that it didn't turn up until three weeks later means, to me, that it should be discounted as any kind of "evidence" of anything apart from some kind of attempt to deceive.

Exactly.

by **PeterMac** 15.02.14 13:15

Somewhere else someone has made the observation . .

Tannerman, on crossing the street would undoubtedly have glanced to the right, to ensure that there was no traffic.
He would have observed a full team in the process of abducting a child.
Two men and a woman involved, and the child in a buggy.

by jeanmonroe 15.02.14 13:59

PeterMac wrote:Somewhere else someone has made the observation . .

Tannerman, on crossing the street would undoubtedly have glanced to the right, to ensure that there was no traffic.
He would have observed a full team in the process of abducting a child.
Two men and a woman involved, and the child in a buggy.

BUT 'which' child in a buggy?

Did ANYONE, independantly, actually see JW's child in the buggy, other than the parent of a 'missing' child and possibly his 'friend'?

WHY hasn't JW sued McCann's for 'slander (Oprah show) and libel (KM book) for saying that he was NOT where, he told the police, he said he was?

The McCanns are, and have said, numerous times, in public, that JW is 'lying' about where he was standing 'chatting' to Gerry.

If i were the McCanns, or ANY of their 'supporters', i'd demand that DCI Redwood 'interview JW under caution' and try to find out why he blatantly 'lied' about 'crossing the street' to chat with Gerry, when it was actually GM that crossed the street to chat with him.

! think TrulyAwful73 should 'tweet/email/phone' Operation Grange to inform them of JW's blatant 'lies'!

Gerry and Kate will 'back' her up, 100%, won't they?

by Tangled Web 15.02.14 15:59

I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

by tiny 15.02.14 16:23

Tangled Web wrote:
I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

That is a very good question,Jes should have been the first to be asked this.

by tasprin 15.02.14 16:45

What happened to Robert Murat's criminal complaint against Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield? How can Scotland Yard not interview Robert Murat and the Tapas 9? Or, has Tanner been interviewed quietly and 'Crecheman' invented (or real but elaborated on) to let her off the hook?

FEBRUARY 2010.

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Expat is to sue tapas bar friends
BRITON Robert Murat, wrongly labelled a suspect in the Madeleine investigation, is taking legal action against four of the McCanns’ friends, it was revealed yesterday.
By: Daily Express Reporter
Published: Fri, February 19, 2010
Robert Murat is taking legal action against four of the McCanns' friends []
The estate agent has lodged a “criminal complaint” against Jane Tanner, 39, who claimed she saw a man carrying a child near the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine vanished.
A second complaint has been made against Ms Tanner’s partner, Dr Russell O’Brien, and Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield, also members of the so-called Tapas Seven.
It is understood that the complaints centre on allegations that the four gave evidence to Portuguese police which led to them making Mr Murat, 35, a suspect in the investigation.
The expat, who lived in Praia da Luz at the time, was found to have no involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Details of the allegations, lodged at a court in Lagos in the Algarve, are unclear because under Portuguese law the parties involved cannot discuss them.
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by jozi 15.02.14 16:53

Tangled Web wrote:
I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

I agree with you Tangled Web "My Months with Madeleine". What months is she on about here, they were only on holiday for a week, so where does the months come in to it ??? How can she also say so many girls dressed in pink, Maddie must have been one of them.....how the hell does she know if she had not met her ???

by jeanmonroe 15.02.14 17:58

Poetic prose to distract from her OH who the McCanns have publicly called a 'liar'?

by Watching 23.02.14 9:16

‘Mr’ (Gerry) quotes in reference to Tanner sighting – from 2007.

1.   "I think given the situation occurred around the same time that Madeleine was discovered to be missing. I think it has to be considered to be significant or potentially significant."

2.   "But we are certainly suspicious of the timing and that person needs to be eliminated from the investigation.”

3.   "The description has been out for 10 days and as far as we know, no one of that description has come forward so that definitely gives it more weight."

4.   "Around err, ... the time that Madeleine, errr... was found to be missing, shortly before that, there was a suspect, errr...seen walking away from the apartment, errr...with, errm...PROBABLY carrying a child"

5.   “Errr... You know it could have been someone innocent, we would certainly be keen that that person comes forward to be eliminated but, you know, we are certainly suspicious of the timing."

Gerry McCann then spoke in detail about the suspect seen carrying what was THOUGHT to be a child on the night Madeleine disappeared.

1.   So Mr tells us here that Tanner sighting was around the same time that Madeleine was discovered to be missing. Was it? Is 9:15 pm around the same time as 10 pm?

2.     No need for Mr to be suspicious any more of the man Tanner claimed to have seen. Courtesy of SY he has been eliminated!

3.     The description has now been out there around 2487 days approx. Does that give it more weight?

  Well no!

It is now 130 days approximately since DCI Redwood’s Crimewatch took the weight off Tanner’s sighting.

  Word of this does not seem to have reached ‘Mr’ yet, or maybe he’s just become so fond of Tannerman, is loathe to be parted from 'Mr's once suspected perpetrator!

4.     So a suspect was seen walking away from the apartment? ‘Embellish’ I suspect is Mr’s middle name!

5.     Mr & Mrs claimed back in 2007 to be keen for the man to come forward and be eliminated – when he did (so DCI Redwood claimed) – they were not so keen to assist SY by carrying out their side of the elimination process by removing his image from their website. But they are not known for co-operating with police! A law unto themselves!

Has there been any statement by either Mr or Mrs or the Pink One in support of SY having eliminated the Tanner sighting?

by Guest 23.02.14 11:50

jozi wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

I agree with you Tangled Web "My Months with Madeleine". What months is she on about here, they were only on holiday for a week, so where does the months come in to it ??? How can she also say so many girls dressed in pink, Maddie must have been one of them.....how the hell does she know if she had not met her ???

What I found strange about Bridget O Donnell's article is the bit where she describes the banging on her door at 1am the morning after Madeleine was found to be missing. She says she heard a male mumbling and she and her partner wondered what to do. Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do because Madeleine had been missing for three hours. In which case what was the point of waking up other holidaymakers if you didn't want them to do anything to help?

by Monty Heck 23.02.14 12:45

jeanmonroe wrote:If they didn't have the older Payne child, (didn't she normally go to Maddie's creche in the morning) where was she (the kid) if not on the beach, yet appears to have been 're-collected' in time from where ? for the Paraiso CCTV tea time.
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All 'staged'

"It couldn't be us look here we all are at the Cafe"

"Couldn't be Kate look there she is running and waving"

"I wonder why Kate didn't jog over to us all and get herself seen on the CCTV?"

If, IF, 'something' had happened to Madeleine about that time (5:30pm onwards) that would leave time for a 'sniffer' scent to occur.

There also doesn't seem to be any record on the CCTV of the Paraiso visit of the Tapas group waving and shouting "words of encouragement" to KMcC as she jogged on the beach nearby. Come to think of it, PDL beach isn't particularly suitable for jogging and I don't recall ever seeing anyone do so. Joggers tend to run along the promenade and out onto the wide clift path heading west to Burgau, avoiding the beach altogether.

The end of the beach nearest the church is rocky, and the middle has soft, yielding sand makng running labourious. The only hard sand is at the sea margin but mainly this shelves in a steep slope, apart from the end nearest the Rocha Negra where it's more level but that only provides a few hundred yards of suitable running surface. Not really worth the effort of sand filled shoes and the legwork to reach such a short stretch - a run there would be over in a minute then back over soft sand with wet shoes. From memory there were no shots of the McCs on the beach running, although there were a number from the cliff path and around the village. Strange there are no iconic images of lonely runs against the backdrop of the crashing Atlantic surf, surely a great photo op missed.

by jeanmonroe 23.02.14 12:48

In which case what was the point of waking up other holidaymakers (JW) if you didn't want them to do anything to help?
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"Tip the wink"? as in '"they haven't found anything, Jez"

'PIVOTAL' 'INVISIBLE' JEZ W.

The very same Jez that did NOT get a mention on either of the hand written 'timelines' and the same Jez that did NOT go straight up to any policeman, first thing next day, (4th May 2007) to tell them about where HE was, with Gerry, at the 'exact' time Madeleine was 'abducted' as 'witnessed' by Gerry's friend JT.

Not even to ask just one of the many police outside 5A if they had 'found' his tennis buddy's child!

He went to breakfast instead!

Even lifting up the police 'tape' to pass by.

Not until RM/Police went to his apartment 'later' did he say anything.

Hmmm.

DAVID PAYNE 'ROG'

ETA: 00:51:35 1485 "Do you recall Gerry coming back from his turn and then commenting about speaking to Gez''
Reply "Err I, you know again, I think I do, and I know that sounds very vague but you know again, just on the context of you know what, what's been said about the conversation with Gez and THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE 'STORY' it's just difficult to say what you, you know what you believe to have happened and what you've read has happened.'

1485 "Yeah.'
Reply "But I, you know I do remember some, something along the lines that he'd had a conversation err with Gez but again you know if you're chatting to someone else and you just perhaps hear something at, at the side, err or you just look up and listen to a bit and then you move onto the conversation.'

1485 "Yeah.'
Reply "Err but some, yeah.'
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SO, very 'important PART' of the 'story' and then Jez does NOT get a 'mention' on the either of the hand written 'timelines', one of which was 'compiled' with DP in 'attendence'!

So not THAT 'important' then?

Another "Err but some, yeah.' moment.

by HelenMeg 23.02.14 12:51

Tangled Web wrote:
I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

Yes, agree his was a very strange article in terms of how it was written. Because I am one of a few that believe there was a 'SWINGING related ' event held at the OC that week, then I think she was a guest in relation to that. Again, here is a couple who probably have 'connections' and are very comfortable in terms of finance, yet were in a mediocre resort in low season. Doesn't add up. Her article was definitely written to assist the Mc Canns, although she wasn't prepared to lie. I think she was probably persuaded to write the article for the purpose of covering what was going on that week, as someone whose reputation would be tarnished if the truth were known. Just my opinion and thoughts. It was a Mills and Boon style article - which to me said.... 'Ive been asked to write this, so i will... but I will be sufficiently vague so as not to get myself into trouble.'

by diatribe 23.02.14 17:20

canada12 wrote:And nothing to substantiate any of it. No solid witnesses... other than the other members of their party.

I'm afraid that's the basic problem with mounting a prosecution, Canada, not only is there no tangible evidence to support much of what the McCanns and their friends state, there isn't much to refute it either.

Finding the body would obviously help, but even that may not yield any definitive evidence as to the cause of death due to nature and the passing of time, although it would be more difficult to maintain an abductor defence gambit if discovered in the proximity where the McCanns were staying.

by Sceptic 22.03.14 11:26

For £40,000 you surely would want your website kept bang upto date with the latest info/appeals to aid the search

by j.rob 22.03.14 15:05

MILLIE wrote:
jozi wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

I agree with you Tangled Web "My Months with Madeleine". What months is she on about here, they were only on holiday for a week, so where does the months come in to it ??? How can she also say so many girls dressed in pink, Maddie must have been one of them.....how the hell does she know if she had not met her ???
What I found strange about Bridget O Donnell's article is the bit where she describes the banging on her door at 1am the morning after Madeleine was found to be missing. She says she heard a male mumbling and she and her partner wondered what to do. Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do because Madeleine had been missing for three hours. In which case what was the point of waking up other holidaymakers if you didn't want them to do anything to help?

God they really are a bunch of idiots. There is, allegedly, a key witness who was standing talking to Gerry McCann when Jane Tanner allegedly sees Madeleine's abductor. They don't bother to ask him whether he saw anyone, despite the fact he was allegedly there and was therefore a crucial witness. And there is 'nothing he can do.'

Well, it seems Jes was almost definitely a thorn in the side of the McConspiracy. He didn't see Jane Tanner or the alleged abductor, so there is no independent witness to support Jane Tanner's alleged 'sighting' of Madeleine's alleged 'abductor'.

Another potentially important witness - Mrs Fenn a neighbour - who might have heard or seen something suspicious, is shouted at when she asks what is going on.

And if there is no point in Jes helping with the search three hours after Madeleine has allegedly been stolen, why then does Kate whine on page 83 of her book that on Friday 4 May at first light: "The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents. "

Right. So how come the distraught parents didn't look for her earlier, in the minutes and hours after she was allegedly stolen?

I suppose by the time it was light there would be a better opportunity for some nice press photos of the McMuppets as grieving, tormented parents combing the beach for the monster who has grabbed their child from her bed. Must have been annoying for the desperate parents that the press didn't arrive til 8.30pm when it was dark again. Still, Kate remembered to pick up Cuddle Cat in time for their anguished appeal to the assembled media which would be broadcast around the world.

And Gerry had the lines nicely rehearsed: "Words cannot describe the anguish and despair that we are feeling as the parents of our beautiful daughter Madeleine. "

Poor Kate, even as she clutched Cuddle Cat ("I was very troubled Madeleine didn't have Cuddle Cat with her. Just being able to hold something familiar might have given her a crumb of comfort") she found the huge crowd and incessant flashbulbs "incredibly intimidating."

You just couldn't make this up could you? Utter drivel.

by Newintown 22.03.14 15:19

j.rob wrote:
MILLIE wrote:
jozi wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
I find Bridget O'Donnell's interview in the Guardian 'My Months with Madeleine' very strange. Not once does she mention actually meeting Madeleine, seeing her (just 10 little blond girls) or talking about her specifically with KM. I just don't believe a word of it. Why would it take three hours to knock on Jes's apartment to tell them Madeleine had been abducted? Wouldn't they immediately knock on to find out if this couple had seen or heard anything or even to ask if Jes had seen Madeleine or anything suspicious while he was out 'walking his son in the buggy'. Very odd. And they both look like a couple of the e-fits IMO.

I agree with you Tangled Web "My Months with Madeleine". What months is she on about here, they were only on holiday for a week, so where does the months come in to it ??? How can she also say so many girls dressed in pink, Maddie must have been one of them.....how the hell does she know if she had not met her ???
What I found strange about Bridget O Donnell's article is the bit where she describes the banging on her door at 1am the morning after Madeleine was found to be missing. She says she heard a male mumbling and she and her partner wondered what to do. Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do because Madeleine had been missing for three hours. In which case what was the point of waking up other holidaymakers if you didn't want them to do anything to help?
God they really are a bunch of idiots. There is, allegedly, a key witness who was standing talking to Gerry McCann when Jane Tanner allegedly sees Madeleine's abductor. They don't bother to ask him whether he saw anyone, despite the fact he was allegedly there and was therefore a crucial witness. And there is 'nothing he can do.'

Well, it seems Jes was almost definitely a thorn in the side of the McConspiracy. He didn't see Jane Tanner or the alleged abductor, so there is no independent witness to support Jane Tanner's alleged 'sighting' of Madeleine's alleged 'abductor'.

Another potentially important witness - Mrs Fenn a neighbour - who might have heard or seen something suspicious, is shouted at when she asks what is going on.

And if there is no point in Jes helping with the search three hours after Madeleine has allegedly been stolen, why then does Kate whine on page 83 of her book that on Friday 4 May at first light: "The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents. "

Right. So how come the distraught parents didn't look for her earlier, in the minutes and hours after she was allegedly stolen?

I suppose by the time it was light there would be a better opportunity for some nice press photos of the McMuppets as grieving, tormented parents combing the beach for the monster who has grabbed their child from her bed. Must have been annoying for the desperate parents that the press didn't arrive til 8.30pm when it was dark again. Still, Kate remembered to pick up Cuddle Cat in time for their anguished appeal to the assembled media which would be broadcast around the world.

And Gerry had the lines nicely rehearsed: "Words cannot describe the anguish and despair that we are feeling as the parents of our beautiful daughter Madeleine. "

Poor Kate, even as she clutched Cuddle Cat ("I was very troubled Madeleine didn't have Cuddle Cat with her. Just being able to hold something familiar might have given her a crumb of comfort") she found the huge crowd and incessant flashbulbs "incredibly intimidating."

You just couldn't make this up could you? Utter drivel.

Yet on Oprah Winfrey Kate said that she hoped the abductor had given Madeleine her "pinkie", I assume she was referring to the pink comfort blanket that Madeleine always went to sleep with, although Kate forgot that it was photographed by the police on Madeleine's bed after she "disappeared" and just like Madeleine the the pink blankie "disappeared" (after it had been photographed). Hmmm, very strange!!!

by worriedmum 22.03.14 17:53

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Yet on Oprah Winfrey Kate said that she hoped the abductor had given Madeleine her "pinkie", I assume she was referring to the pink comfort blanket that Madeleine always went to sleep with, although Kate forgot that it was photographed by the police on Madeleine's bed after she "disappeared" and just like Madeleine the the pink blankie "disappeared" (after it had been photographed). Hmmm, very strange!!!''

Can you point us to the video clip of this please Newintown? To go with this?

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by Guest 22.03.14 18:06

worriedmum wrote:Newintown wrote ''
Yet on Oprah Winfrey Kate said that she hoped the abductor had given Madeleine her "pinkie", I assume she was referring to the pink comfort blanket that Madeleine always went to sleep with, although Kate forgot that it was photographed by the police on Madeleine's bed after she "disappeared" and just like Madeleine the the pink blankie "disappeared" (after it had been photographed). Hmmm, very strange!!!''

Can you point us to the video clip of this please Newintown? To go with this?

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Don't know how to post videos maybe could add this too:
Witness Statement
Date: 2007-05-16
Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão

Occupation: GNR Officer
When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

by Newintown 22.03.14 18:15

worriedmum wrote:Newintown wrote ''
Yet on Oprah Winfrey Kate said that she hoped the abductor had given Madeleine her "pinkie", I assume she was referring to the pink comfort blanket that Madeleine always went to sleep with, although Kate forgot that it was photographed by the police on Madeleine's bed after she "disappeared" and just like Madeleine the the pink blankie "disappeared" (after it had been photographed). Hmmm, very strange!!!''

Can you point us to the video clip of this please Newintown? To go with this?

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If you do a search on the internet for the Kate and Gerry McCann interview on Oprah Winfrey you should be able to find it. It's been mentioned many times before on this forum but I didn't keep a copy it. Maybe some kind member who keeps copies of all links may be able to post it for you.

by jeanmonroe 23.03.14 3:24

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Yet on Oprah Winfrey Kate said that she hoped the abductor had given Madeleine her "pinkie", I assume she was referring to the pink comfort blanket that Madeleine always went to sleep with, although Kate forgot that it was photographed by the police on Madeleine's bed after she "disappeared" and just like Madeleine the the pink blankie "disappeared" (after it had been photographed). Hmmm, very strange!!!''
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And Cuddle Cat had already 'jumped down' from the high shelf/ledge, out of Madeleine's 'reach', that made KM 'know' she had been 'abducted, when Kate had run out of the apartment to go to tapas, and had landed, handily, right onto the pillow on Madeleine's bed, when she and the 'gang' returned to the apartment,.minutes later.

Good job really because the 'high shelf/ledge' was also 'abducted/disappeared' before the PJ got there!

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}Madeleine's favourite toy, her pink 'Cuddle Cat, was taken from her arms and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper, according to new reports.

This important evidence could point to the fact that Madeleine was actually taken alive.

According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach.

The paper quotes a police source as saying: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night.

"So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach.
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SO, if Kate was 'terrified' CC had been placed on a 'ledge' way out of Madeleine's 'reach' and that's how she KNEW Madeleine had been 'abducted', HOW DID CC GET ONTO MADELEINE'S PILLOW BEFORE THE POLICE ARRIVED AND PHOTOGRAPHED IT?

WHO MOVED CC FROM THE HIGH LEDGE/SHELF AND 'PUT/PLACED' (STAGED?) IT THERE ON THE PILLOW?

SOMEBODY DID!

WHO?

by ultimaThule 23.03.14 3:29

jeanmonroe wrote:Newintown wrote ''
Yet on Oprah Winfrey Kate said that she hoped the abductor had given Madeleine her "pinkie", I assume she was referring to the pink comfort blanket that Madeleine always went to sleep with, although Kate forgot that it was photographed by the police on Madeleine's bed after she "disappeared" and just like Madeleine the the pink blankie "disappeared" (after it had been photographed). Hmmm, very strange!!!''
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And Cuddle Cat had already 'jumped down' from the high shelf/ledge, out of Madeleine's 'reach', that made KM 'know' she had been 'abducted, and had landed, handily, right onto the pillow on Madeleine's bed.

Good job really because the 'high shelf/ledge' was also 'abducted/disappeared' before the PJ got there!

It must have been a gale force wind that whooshed the curtains and blew away the high shelf and every trace of Madeleine from 5A on that fateful night. It seems Cuddle Cat was lucky to escape with 8 lives intact.

by jeanmonroe 23.03.14 3:55

It must have been a gale force wind that whooshed the curtains
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It must have been a gale force wind that whooshed the curtains that were PINNED BACK TIGHT and TUCKED BEHIND the bed against the wall, by the bed, under the window!

And CC will at least get out of the house, next Sunday, Mother's Day , when Amelie will be 'carrying' him to Church, walking with Mummy.

(no photos please! Oh alright then, but just a few hundred!)