16th December Correio da Manhã UK Police did not disclose Payne susp paedophile

Daoud (Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:41 am) wrote:Why is it that whenever the Gaspars' statements come it is always DP alone who is mentioned as a suspected paedophile? If the statements are to be believed then GMcC comes off just as badly.

Autumn (Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:04 pm) wrote:

Daoud (Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:41 am) wrote:Why is it that whenever the Gaspars' statements come it is always DP alone who is mentioned as a suspected paedophile? If the statements are to be believed then GMcC comes off just as badly.

Thats a good point Daoud, especially as Gerry has been allocated a number on the CAT system within the LP.

candyfloss wrote:A member of MM has now bought the paper edition, and her summary is here for those who want to read it. Very interesting. I hadn't realised that David Payne was the only one interviewed by the British police without the PJ present. Also Goncalo gathering evidence for reopening the case, and has serious doubts about DNA results obtained.

Read here

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Question - Why was DP the only one to be interviewed without the PJ being present

soulthief wrote:Yes I see what you are saying about Payne being used PeterMac, but do you think the gasper statements are true? And what of Yvonne Martins statement?

Judge Mental wrote:

soulthief wrote:Yes I see what you are saying about Payne being used PeterMac, but do you think the gasper statements are true? And what of Yvonne Martins statement?

Shocking that a senior social worker such as Martin should have had to resort to writing an anonymous letter because she felt her concerns had not been properly dealt with when her suspicions were first aroused. It is without doubt, that the Gaspars would have done much soul-searching before proceeding to provide statements of this nature, and cast such shocking doubt upon their friends McCann and Payne. From time to time, one becomes rather concerned that Payne seems to take all the flack for the Gaspars' statements, when McCann himself was also a major party to what appear to have been two-way conversations.

There still seems to be a problem with the British press reporting these events. Wayne Rooney and Prince Charles have never been afforded such silence on their tawdry and sordid affairs and conversations. The Camillagate affair was quite disgusting and reported word for word in all newspapers.

Judge Mental wrote:

soulthief wrote:Yes I see what you are saying about Payne being used PeterMac, but do you think the gasper statements are true? And what of Yvonne Martins statement?

Shocking that a senior social worker such as Martin should have had to resort to writing an anonymous letter because she felt her concerns had not been properly dealt with when her suspicions were first aroused. It is without doubt, that the Gaspars would have done much soul-searching before proceeding to provide statements of this nature, and cast such shocking doubt upon their friends McCann and Payne. From time to time, one becomes rather concerned that Payne seems to take all the flack for the Gaspars' statements, when McCann himself was also a major party to what appear to have been two-way conversations.

There still seems to be a problem with the British press reporting these events. Wayne Rooney and Prince Charles have never been afforded such silence on their tawdry and sordid affairs and conversations. The Camillagate affair was quite disgusting and reported word for word in all newspapers.

soulthief wrote:Payne features in a lot already without this startling fact that he was the only person interviewed by the UK police without the PJ present, He is said to have arranged the holiday, he is the last person to supposedly see Madeleine alive, he and Kate cannot agree on the length of his visit or indeed the reason for it. Yvonne Martin recognises him as someone she has previously seen in her work as child protection, he advises the McCanns not to speak to Yvonne, He says to Sol that they have a pact,...INTERESTINGLY, he is the only one of the group who did not return for the McCanns reconstruction, not like him, he was more than helpful previously! I bet the whole bunch are freaking right out with these leaked cables wondering what will come out next. Perhaps this is Karma to disturb their otherwise free run of good luck.

soulthief wrote:Sorry my mistake, amend to he wasnt so keen to return to PDL for the reconstruction

candyfloss wrote:Posted on MM, by Annabel, who is a member here, hope she doesn't mind my bringing it here. A very valid point by P. Reis.

A diplomatic affair?

It was big news all over the British Media. A cable sent by the US ambassador in Lisbon quoted the UK ambassador saying that British officers had developed evidence against the McCann parents. Everyday (unfortunately...) children disappear all over Europe. How many of those children are so important that the ambassadors from the of most powerful nations of the world had a talk about it? And how many of those children are so important that the ambassador of United States of America sends a confidential report to the State Department with the information he has about the case?

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Makes you wonder

PeterMac wrote:YNG
What a fascinating photo sequence.
One is tempted to write irreverent captions, but the pictures speak for themselves. (download and zoom in a bit for the full horror)
KM turns and says something fairly harsh on 7. P is still smiling at that point.
GM repeats in "Men's language" on 8. P brings his left arm protectively across his body. (actually across his genitalia, but this is normal for men so don't attach importance to that. Just read Desmond Morris)
By 9 P's head is already down. His shoulders are slumped, and then, in 10 and 11, he turns his head independently of his body. In other words his head turns before his body follows, as he tries to absent himself from the scene. Mind operating quickly than the body will follow
The McC's also have their heads down as they contemplate the effect of what has just happened. Have they 'lost' him from the team. Will he tell what he knows. Can they still rely on him ??????
10/11/and 12 P is actively trying hard to get out of the way.
By 12 GM has decided on his course of action and his head is up again.
Do we know, or can camera enthusiasts tell us, what is the probable time sequencing of this. Are they one second intervals for example? Is this one of those annoying paparazzi buzzing clicking things that digital cameras now permit. If so, what is the standard time interval.

alison wrote:I wonder whether PeterMac can help on this point. It`s been discussed elsewhere too but not resolved at least to my knowledge.

This is the question of the CATS no/file. Should we assume that this had been established/opened before May 2007 or is this a routine occurrence when a child disappears? I would need to look at the LP letter again but my recollection is that it does not make this point clear