Re: Alex Woolfall 'knows': 'The Last Photo', and other photos of Madeleine in Praia da Luz

by jeanmonroe 19.09.13 15:07

It's either FP or MO that took that picture, as they're not in view in the B&W image. If you look at how FP is standing in the Paraiso CCTV pic, it could be that she is holding a camera.
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Fiona Payne almost stares into the cctv at Paraiso.
All T7 in film as near to cctv you could get.

So THEY couldn't possibly have been 'involved' in any 'goings on' could they?

ALL STAGED!

And don't forget that our Kate is just out of picture 'running along and waving' to her mates in the cafe.

I wonder why she didn't run up to the cafe and say hello to the 'gang'.

Only 50 metres away.

STAGED!

by Nereid 19.09.13 15:09

windchime wrote:Totally agree with that Nereid. I have not seen these pictures before and wonder why the Paynes pictures from their camera are on the records but there seems to be nothing from the McCanns camera -would that be because they were taken back to the UK for this so called analysis from Martin who seems to have omitted some highly relevant information regarding whose camera he was analysing and what the pictures showed him.

The Paynes seem to have taken an awful lot of holiday snaps that week including some that are of MBM and those used in the campaign to find her. If we are to assume that the order these photo show up that that was the order they were taken then it is clear that those of MBM were taken very early n in the holiday in fact most likely on the first day - why would that be?? Most of these photos show that the weather was chilly and wet as they are all showing them in long sleeved tops and trousers along with a few with the children wearing rain coats. A little different wouldn't you say from the famous last pictures where they are all sunburnt and sweaty???

It was the Olympus camera that was taken to DC Martin.

by Guest 19.09.13 15:15

windchime wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:Although Martin has said what he did and didn't do it does seem unusual no names are given to who owns what item.

Further down he says

18. Using my forensic software I was able to locate 73 pictures files in the unallocated clusters which had been deleted and were no longer accessible to the camera user.

19. I produce a report containing each of these picture identification reference SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43.

20. I produce a compact disk SWM/3019/44 containing pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 and report SWM3019/45. I have also copied the pictures and the folders as they appear on the cards, to this disk.

Is he saying he recovered the 73 deleted pictures and transfered them to disc?

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File notes - 9 May:
PDF Apenso Desc.
12 549 Analysis of CD delivered by GM
13 550 Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
14 551 Image grouping index: (1)Apartments; (2)Ocean Club; (3)Beach
15 552 Blank page
16 553 Receipt of images dated 8 May
17 554 Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature)
18 555 Blank page

12, 13, very confusing, as usual!
Martin states that he found

43 'live' pictures from 2 memory cards. He gives no indication to what these 43 live pictures refer to.

73 deleted photos that were no longer accessable to the camera user.

He downloads the 43 live pictures to SWM/3019/01 - SWM/3019/43

The deleted photos he then refers to as unallocated clusters and saves them to file format - therefore yes Cherry Blossom I think we can assume he has managed to recover them from the camera/memory card 'memory' . He does not give any indication to what these 73 photos refer to neither does he give them a reference as per the live ones he has found. So where are they?

We have 1 camera, 2 memory cards, 1 video camera. He conducts an examination of the two memory cards but not of the video camera.

He tells us that the camera has not time/date set and that none of the pictures he finds have times or dates recorded on them.

SO:
Whose camera is it?
Whose video camera is it?
Why does he not conduct an examination of the video camera?
Why does he not record whose camera and or videocam it is?
Why does he not record at least one description of a picture?
Are we to assume it was not Kates camera as she states on record that the last photo was taken at (2pmish) but was actually an hour earlier as her camera was set an hour early!! yet Martin tells us the camera had no time/date set???
He states that the files 01 - 043 are of the pictures from the two memory cards. Why change a memory card unless it is full? 43 live photos are not a lot to take of a holiday and a memory card holds more than this!
Why has no one countersigned his statement?

We then have the analysis of the 2 CDs received on 8/05/07 from GM and Michael Wright by Inspector Ricardo Paiva.

Analysis of photos on CD received by GM shows several photos of interest where it is possible to see MBM.

Analysis of photos on CD received by MW shows photos of interest - those with MBM as well as other adults and children that made up the group of holiday makers.

Now why do GM and MW feel the need to deliver 2 separate CDs and why are these pictures put onto CDs, why not just hand over ALL the cameras and videocams from the whole group for analysis? Unless there are pictures you do not want seen??

Also, Cherry Blossom did you look at the long list of black and white photo images on the same site? Very difficult to make most of them out but I wonder whose camera they are from as most of them appear to be either DP, FP or DW with the children. There are one or two of MBM and I wonder if these were actually taken by one of the Paynes?

Also added having just seen your new post - it takes approx. 2hours 20 mins to get to Portugal from UK with another possible 1.5 hours travel upon arrival to get from airport to PDL and the flights from the UK are usually very early in the morning.

Thanks for all that info windechime, it got a bit too technical for me. I think they knew there were incriminating photo's and vidio footage, thats why items were sent to Hampshire. Yes I've looked at the Black and white images, I don't know why but I thought they were from the two CD's

Agree about the statement, it does make you wonder if he was told what to put, or was the statement altered taking out important information un beknown to him.

by Nereid 19.09.13 15:21

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Thanks for all that info windechime, it got a bit too technical for me. I think they knew there were incriminating photo's and vidio footage, thats why items were sent to Hampshire. Yes I've looked at the Black and white images, I don't know why but I thought they were from the two CD's

Agree about the statement, it does make you wonder if he was told what to put, or was the statement altered taking out important information un beknown to him.

It's a bit unclear where the B&W photos are from. They could be from the CDs or from DC Martin.

by windchime 19.09.13 15:25

Nereid wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
Thanks for all that info windechime, it got a bit too technical for me. I think they knew there were incriminating photo's and vidio footage, thats why items were sent to Hampshire. Yes I've looked at the Black and white images, I don't know why but I thought they were from the two CD's

Agree about the statement, it does make you wonder if he was told what to put, or was the statement altered taking out important information un beknown to him.
It's a bit unclear where the B&W photos are from. They could be from the CDs or from DC Martin.

Sorry if I am a bit dim here I have read so much today I have brain ache! Are we saying the camera (Olympus) and therefore most likely videocam given to Martin belongs to Payne?

by jeanmonroe 19.09.13 15:28

Anyone know who OWNED the Sony Handycam Video camera?

by Nereid 19.09.13 15:35

windchime wrote:
Sorry if I am a bit dim here I have read so much today I have brain ache! Are we saying the camera (Olympus) and therefore most likely videocam given to Martin belongs to Payne?

I don't know. I'm making the assumption that the B&W photos are taken by the Paynes.

I don't know if the B&W holiday photos in the PJ files are from the Olympus that was sent to DC Martin, or whether they are from the CDs created by Gerry/Wright.

And I don't know anything about the video camera.

It's all very confusing.

by bobbin 19.09.13 15:41

Again, two questions come to mind.
1 How come Michael Wright was there so early on, I thought he didn't arrive till a bit later.
2 Who was it that David Payne rang police-wise so late at night, the call that he lied about, i.e. claimed he didn't make 'till the phone records shown to him proved that he did. Why would he lie about that.
I can't believe that a police officer can make a statement, sign it himself and in that statement be making a point of saying that he didn't look at the mysterious package that had been taken by another policeman, to his house, at 9 p.m.
What the hell was going on that Gerry McCann and Michael Wright are handling CDs etc. when any cameras and pictures should immediately have been handed over to the Portuguese investigating police to see if there were any urgent clues to Maddy's whereabouts.
This stinks. :evil:

by jeanmonroe 19.09.13 15:52

Aren't these all questions the UK meeja should be asking?

by Guest 19.09.13 16:02

jeanmonroe wrote:Aren't these all questions the UK meeja should be asking?

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I'd say these are the questions [and more] that the police should be [and probably are] asking and later on the meeja can publish the replies winkwink

by windchime 19.09.13 17:17

bobbin wrote:Again, two questions come to mind.
1 How come Michael Wright was there so early on, I thought he didn't arrive till a bit later.
2 Who was it that David Payne rang police-wise so late at night, the call that he lied about, i.e. claimed he didn't make 'till the phone records shown to him proved that he did. Why would he lie about that.
I can't believe that a police officer can make a statement, sign it himself and in that statement be making a point of saying that he didn't look at the mysterious package that had been taken by another policeman, to his house, at 9 p.m.
What the hell was going on that Gerry McCann and Michael Wright are handling CDs etc. when any cameras and pictures should immediately have been handed over to the Portuguese investigating police to see if there were any urgent clues to Maddy's whereabouts.
This stinks. :evil:

Exactly bobbin, this makes no sense but goes to prove that right from go on the 3rd anyone could have come and gone without the PJ, British Police or anyone else for that matter knowing about it. It is obvious from this that Michael Wright was there right from the start. Now did he fly in as soon as the news broke or was he already there? Does this make more sense regarding the question of who hired the car etc (another thread?) And who else could have been there taking heaven knows what else back to the UK with them or to other parts of Portugal without at that time anyone questioning who they were and what they were doing because the only people during the first week that were of any importance to the media were the tapas crew and the obvious specialists that had been send to assist, not 'friends' who secretly flew in to help.

by Guest 19.09.13 18:03

windchime wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:Although Martin has said what he did and didn't do it does seem unusual no names are given to who owns what item.

Further down he says

18. Using my forensic software I was able to locate 73 pictures files in the unallocated clusters which had been deleted and were no longer accessible to the camera user.

19. I produce a report containing each of these picture identification reference SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43.

20. I produce a compact disk SWM/3019/44 containing pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 and report SWM3019/45. I have also copied the pictures and the folders as they appear on the cards, to this disk.

Is he saying he recovered the 73 deleted pictures and transfered them to disc?

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File notes - 9 May:
PDF Apenso Desc.
12 549 Analysis of CD delivered by GM
13 550 Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
14 551 Image grouping index: (1)Apartments; (2)Ocean Club; (3)Beach
15 552 Blank page
16 553 Receipt of images dated 8 May
17 554 Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature)
18 555 Blank page

12, 13, very confusing, as usual!
Martin states that he found

43 'live' pictures from 2 memory cards. He gives no indication to what these 43 live pictures refer to.

73 deleted photos that were no longer accessable to the camera user.

He downloads the 43 live pictures to SWM/3019/01 - SWM/3019/43

The deleted photos he then refers to as unallocated clusters and saves them to file format - therefore yes Cherry Blossom I think we can assume he has managed to recover them from the camera/memory card 'memory' . He does not give any indication to what these 73 photos refer to neither does he give them a reference as per the live ones he has found. So where are they?

We have 1 camera, 2 memory cards, 1 video camera. He conducts an examination of the two memory cards but not of the video camera.

He tells us that the camera has not time/date set and that none of the pictures he finds have times or dates recorded on them.

SO:
Whose camera is it?
Whose video camera is it?
Why does he not conduct an examination of the video camera?
Why does he not record whose camera and or videocam it is?
Why does he not record at least one description of a picture?
Are we to assume it was not Kates camera as she states on record that the last photo was taken at (2pmish) but was actually an hour earlier as her camera was set an hour early!! yet Martin tells us the camera had no time/date set???
He states that the files 01 - 043 are of the pictures from the two memory cards. Why change a memory card unless it is full? 43 live photos are not a lot to take of a holiday and a memory card holds more than this!
Why has no one countersigned his statement?

We then have the analysis of the 2 CDs received on 8/05/07 from GM and Michael Wright by Inspector Ricardo Paiva.

Analysis of photos on CD received by GM shows several photos of interest where it is possible to see MBM.

Analysis of photos on CD received by MW shows photos of interest - those with MBM as well as other adults and children that made up the group of holiday makers.

Now why do GM and MW feel the need to deliver 2 separate CDs and why are these pictures put onto CDs, why not just hand over ALL the cameras and videocams from the whole group for analysis? Unless there are pictures you do not want seen??

Also, Cherry Blossom did you look at the long list of black and white photo images on the same site? Very difficult to make most of them out but I wonder whose camera they are from as most of them appear to be either DP, FP or DW with the children. There are one or two of MBM and I wonder if these were actually taken by one of the Paynes?

Also added having just seen your new post - it takes approx. 2hours 20 mins to get to Portugal from UK with another possible 1.5 hours travel upon arrival to get from airport to PDL and the flights from the UK are usually very early in the morning.

Curiouser & curiouser!

How, on May 9th, could DS Martin report on a CD 549 DELIVERED BY GM and a CD 550 DELIVERED BY M.WRIGHT?

Which to all intents and purposes only reached him the day before, on Tuesday the 8th, thru his office.

The latter indicates one thing for sure: that whoever sent these two CDs' from PdL to DS Martin did not know his home address.

This points more to a shipment from one official to the other -the HTCU- than from person to person.

Could it have travelled by diplomatic pouch perhaps, having been handed over to the wonderfully swift-on-the-spot Ambassador?

And could it not have been the case, that the camera did indeed contain sensitive material collected by GM ON DUTY, at work, under cover of a family holiday with a bunch of 'friends" (who, after all is said and done, hardly knew the McCanns)

To me, the whole affair always smelled of a sting gone wrong, with someone harming Maddie as unforeseen and unintended (by the parents!) collateral damage, and the parents bound to official secrecy about what really happened.

by **PeterMac** 19.09.13 18:49

Slow down a bit !
The CDs were not delivered to Martin
They were delivered to Paiva.

That is just a list, not what Martin got.

by windchime 19.09.13 19:35

Hi Portia, sorry I did say, but probably not very clearly that it was Paiva that had the CDs but with all the reading of these long threads at the moment I am not surprised we over look things!! I am inclined to agree with most of what you have to say though, this whole thing gets more curious by the day!!

by Guest 19.09.13 19:38

OK. Got it.

These two CDs: did they contain the information from the video camera processed by PC Barman and DS Martin on the 8th?

I figured they did, but there is no evidence of that so far.

by **PeterMac** 19.09.13 21:17

Portia wrote:OK. Got it.
These two CDs: did they contain the information from the video camera processed by PC Barman and DS Martin on the 8th?
I figured they did, but there is no evidence of that so far.

That was certainly my fist impression, though as you say there is no evidence.
I would guess they copied the photos onto the CDs, gave the CDs to Paiva, and then the cameras and the memory sticks were sent to the UK
Why and by whom, remains a mystery to me.

And what happened to the video camera tape.

by Who?What?Where? 20.09.13 0:36

Cherry Blossom wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:This is from GM's Statement, Leveson:

Jon Comer, a good friend and godparent to the twins, used his media experience to
release a number of pictures of Madeleine to the whole of the UK media in the early
hours of the 4th May 2007 to publicise her image.
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But NONE of them bore any resemblance to the 'Maddie by pool' photo did they?

If that one had been 'released' on the 4th May 2007 then people might have said 'oh yeah i saw THAT little girl yesterday by the pool'
or
"i saw THAT little girl two days ago"

But they were only shown pictures that bore absolutely no resemblance to any child in PDL that week, or any other week.

Little bit weird!

I'd imagine even Jeremy Wilkins would have had difficulty in 'recognising' Madeleine from those pictures, even though he and Bridget SAW Madeleine before the pool picture!
Agree with all your points, they couln't show the pool photo because they didn't have it untill GM arrived back from his trip home

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Gerry did return home to collect photographs (old report) 20 May 2007
Alone, the father of Madeleine McCann began the saddest journey of his life Daily Mail - Online link has been removed

Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann revealed: "They're both finding it so incredibly difficult. They can't grieve but they can't be normal. They're just focused on finding Madeleine, because that's all that matters.

"Gerry wants to go through all the photographs and pick some to put on the website. The more images there are, the more she will be in people's minds."

For just 3 days after arriving back in Praia da Luz, from this trip back to the UK to collect photographs and videos, the 'last photograph' of Madeleine suddenly appeared - 21 days after Madeleine had been reported missing. (May 24, 2007 The last family picture of Madeleine McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.])

If the pool photo had been on the camera they would have put it out, but it wasn't, imo it was one of many he had brought from home, which leads me to believe they had a holiday there a few months before

Or another thought was Madeleine superimposed on the pool photo?

If gerry and Madeleine had been to Portugal before, then there would be some sort of passport record of it. Surely. There must be.

If he or Madeleine had been to Portugal before, then they must have travelled under a false name, or have been there under the eu "open door" policy.

Open, or unlocked door's. How very apt that would be, in this situation.

There is absolutely no point in amber alert's, if you do not know who is in the country in the first place.

If you were a policeman, how would you really know, who you were supposed to be looking for? Are you supposed to wait for gerry to fly home, to find the most recent photo of Madeleine?

It could look like subterfuge, to me.... but I do not know what the fact's are.

Gerry had to go home to find a recent picture of Madeleine? Why did border control not have that picture? This is eu level thinking and it, clearly, is nowhere near good enough.

by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 1:04

And why, at that extremely early date, would the Hampshire Police be in any way involved in the case? And who is PC 178 Barham?
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Why would the camera etc be sent to a non-entity ordinary cop, PC 178 Barham, in Hampshire?

by Guest 21.09.13 14:38

PeterMac wrote:
Portia wrote:OK. Got it.
These two CDs: did they contain the information from the video camera processed by PC Barman and DS Martin on the 8th?
I figured they did, but there is no evidence of that so far.
That was certainly my fist impression, though as you say there is no evidence.
I would guess they copied the photos onto the CDs, gave the CDs to Paiva, and then the cameras and the memory sticks were sent to the UK
Why and by whom, remains a mystery to me.

And what happened to the video camera tape.

Makes you wonder, could this be the tape?

Madeleine McCann: Did the camera hold vital clue?
THE detective who led the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance believes her abductor was caught on camera – but revealed that the film was wiped before detectives saw it.
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Published: Sun, November 7, 2010

Yesterday controversial figure Goncalo Amaral backed Kate and Gerry McCann’s demand for a review and reopening of the investigation.

The Sunday Express took Mr Amaral, whose book Maddy: The Truth Of The Lie was banned briefly from bookstores, to Praia da Luz to ask him to reveal where mistakes were made.

He walked the route he believes the person who snatched Madeleine took. It begins at apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, from where the three-year-old disappeared on May 3, 2007.

Mr Amaral believes the person would have crossed a road leading to a poorly lit road alongside waste ground.

Standing at an entrance to the waste ground, Mr Amaral said: “This area was thoroughly searched.”

He walked a few steps and looked up at a CCTV camera and sighed loudly. The camera belongs to the Estrela da Luz resort hotel. “I believe that the person carrying a child in his arms was captured on film from that very camera,” he said.

“I asked my officers to gather all the CCTV footage in Luz but, by the time they got to this hotel, the film from this camera had been wiped over. It was a mistake and I will always regret it. I do feel Madeleine was let down.”

Walking alongside the waste ground, he enters a narrow street called Rua da Escola Primaria. “This is where there was a significant sighting of a man carrying a child in his arms,” he said. “He was seen by a witness, Martin Smith from Ireland.”

The man with the child continued down the hill and would have come to a crossroads. Opposite the junction is an empty villa with a large garden. The wooden door leading to the garden is open.

“It was open at the time and the villa is still empty,” Mr Amaral said. “My officers spent a lot of time here.”
Mr Amaral concludes that any new investigation should fully consider the statement of Mr Smith. “I hope this is seriously examined because it is an important aspect of the case,” he said.

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by Guest 26.09.13 9:55

I hadn't realised the large area Hampshire Constabulary policed:

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DC Martin 1. I am employed by Hampshire Constabulary as a Detective Constable and am currently stationed in the Hi-Tech Crime Unit.

He doesn't give the address of the unit, however pg 3 of his statement

3. Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 1)

On 9th May 2007 at 08.30 I delivered this video camera in the sealed bag number CD 48113 to the imaging unit at Hampshire Police Support headquarters, Netley for examination. I conducted no examination of this bag and contents.

On page 3 of his statement he gives his contact point has

Hi-Tech Unit, Support Headquarters, Hamble Lane, Southampton SO31 4TS
Telephone No 02300 745157 ext1573

So correct me if I'm wrong this is where DC Martin was stationed.

Why was the sealed bag delivered to Netley? DC Martin obviously wasn't to be trusted to examin a bag that probably had eyes only on it, but who's eyes?

by Guest 26.09.13 15:52

To follow on from the above post.

With thanks to Textusa, the artical was posted Wednesday April 21st 2010

It’s always the little detail that makes the whole difference.

A little thing that suddenly ignites the linking and connecting of events and people seemingly disconnected from each other. With the details with what had happened in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd, I was quite satisfied with what I was able to deduce.

But it’s always been intriguing how these people could have manipulated and ordered around a whole country. Their power had to be based on them being able to leash out a scandal, and not just any kind of scandal.

It had to be more than about money or “tame” sex. It had to be something big, really big. Big enough to answer those questions we’ve been asked over, and over again, as to WHY the McCanns have enjoyed the protection that they have had.

When I read that Mr. Gambles had been a member of, and had led the SBI Branch in Belfast, a lot started to make a lot of sense.

Finally. The more I read, the more the pieces of the puzzle started to fall in place. And this is what I read (hopefully I’ll read a lot more…): From the CV on Jim Gamble that I took from the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I left out some information that I thought to be irrelevant but is anything but that:

At the end of 2001, Jim took up a leading role with the National Crime Squad for England and Wales as an Assistant Chief Constable and, in 2004, as Deputy Director General. Jim was also responsible in this time for the UK’s National High Tech Crime Unit, co-ordination of Operation Ore – the UK’s largest ever investigation into online child abuse – and the national Paedophile Online Investigation Team.

Read more:

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This is a long post, but well worth the read.

by sar 26.09.13 16:48

Thanks Cherry Blossom,

When I read about anything and operation ore gets mentioned I start getting very worried. It is the one investigation we will probably never see the conclusions of. The bluff and double bluff of Ore means no one really knows the truth now. If that is linked to this then I see the SY investigation being "played out", dead peado's, "swarthy gypsies" etc being offered as a solution in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. What's new? Would love those responsible for this horrific crime to be brought to justice but, if something looks like a stitch up (enter egg man, Victoria Beckham lookalike ) smells like a stitch up (sea bass and old flip flops) sounds like a stitch up (there are 39 new persons of interest) it usually is. I have always wanted this case to be solved and for justice to prevail but the mention of ore makes me doubtful.

When Bliar went to the ranch in Crawford I believe that is what was discussed. It was a quid pro quo, [adopts Texan drawl] "...we have this evidence implicating the upper echelons of both our countries, you comin' with me on my daddies war or what??" He went from simpering socialist anti war leftie to rabid attack dog of the west.

by Jaci 26.10.13 2:03

One thing that always bothered me about the last photo (Pool side one) is that when I zoomed in on Madeleine's hair (High Resolution) I couldn't see how it was possible to cut and paste all those fine fly away hairs. On that alone I came to the conclusion that it had to be genuine. Then I came across a video that explained how it is possible to get all those fine details included in a cut and paste. I'm sure Jon Corner would have the know-how.

If anyone has a little time to spend on watching this video I'd appreciate your comments

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by Curioser 27.10.13 23:54

Jaci wrote:One thing that always bothered me about the last photo (Pool side one) is that when I zoomed in on Madeleine's hair (High Resolution) I couldn't see how it was possible to cut and paste all those fine fly away hairs. On that alone I came to the conclusion that it had to be genuine. Then I came across a video that explained how it is possible to get all those fine details included in a cut and paste. I'm sure Jon Corner would have the know-how.

If anyone has a little time to spend on watching this video I'd appreciate your comments

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I've done this stuff for a living and it's very difficult to deal with hair like that. I think the photo is genuine.

by Curioser 27.10.13 23:55

Mind you, we can't tell when it was taken without having the original file. It would say in the image metadata probably what date it was taken.

by **tigger** 28.10.13 7:47

Curioser wrote:
Jaci wrote:One thing that always bothered me about the last photo (Pool side one) is that when I zoomed in on Madeleine's hair (High Resolution) I couldn't see how it was possible to cut and paste all those fine fly away hairs. On that alone I came to the conclusion that it had to be genuine. Then I came across a video that explained how it is possible to get all those fine details included in a cut and paste. I'm sure Jon Corner would have the know-how.

If anyone has a little time to spend on watching this video I'd appreciate your comments

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I've done this stuff for a living and it's very difficult to deal with hair like that. I think the photo is genuine.Even in 2007 advertising and graphic designers were using much improved programmes. The issue isn't about Maddie's hair, but about her age.

Focussing on those strands of hair nicely takes the attention away from Amelie's partly missing right arm.
The two girls cannot have been there at the same time,. Amelie is the right age for 2007, Maddie is far too small for nearly four years old. .

Perhaps you should have a look at the 'Video analysis of the tennis photo' which compares the two photos.

For more evidence how even an amateur can use photoshop, have a look at JD's posts. Flying hairs everywhere.

@Jaci, the video is from an amateur who is trying to be amusing and doesn't seem to know exactly what to do
Blue sky isn't mentioned and that is used live even in broadcasts etc.
youtube is full of such clips.

by Guest 28.10.13 9:52

PeterMac wrote:
Portia wrote:OK. Got it.
These two CDs: did they contain the information from the video camera processed by PC Barman and DS Martin on the 8th?
I figured they did, but there is no evidence of that so far.
That was certainly my fist impression, though as you say there is no evidence.
I would guess they copied the photos onto the CDs, gave the CDs to Paiva, and then the cameras and the memory sticks were sent to the UK
Why and by whom, remains a mystery to me.

And what happened to the video camera tape.

After quite a bit of searching I've found nothing to connect Hampshire Police, apart from DS Martins's statement which imo doesn't ring true. I can't even find a letter of request from the PJ, has anyone else seen one?

Jim Gamble was in the perfect position of power to authorize the processing of cameras and video tape and wipe clean any incriminating evidence, but who was he looking for, high profile people? His own men, but why would they be there? or something else? Was it Gamble who said what photo's were to be put on the two CD's?

Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?

by Ayniia 28.10.13 13:03

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?

Maybe the photos were together with the Efits for years...

by Guest 07.11.13 11:08

Ayniia wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?
Maybe the photos were together with the Efits for years...

Could be right Ayniia, surpressed never to see daylight or so they thought. I makes me wonder how many who are holding evidence have been threatened with breaking the McCanns confidentiality clause.
The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. "I said to Kate, 'Let's try to identify pictures where her face is visible'. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

"They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back."

Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.

Woolfall doesn't say they were recent photo's of Madeleine taken over the previous days imo they were photo's of Madeleine taken before the hoiliday that were on the camera.

The pool photo superimposed from an old photo on the camera

The tennis photo GM brought from home, or maybe that was an old photo that they held back to use showing Madeleine was there.

The first reporting of Madeleine missing:

Three year-old feared abducted in Portugal
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Madeline McCann was due to start school in September

By staff and agencies
12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

The parents of a British toddler who has gone missing while on holiday in Portugal say they fear she has been abducted.
Three-year-old Madeline McCann disappeared last night from her parent’s rented apartment in the Western Algarve, while they dined nearby.

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I'm sure we all know that photo wasn't a recent holiday photo of Madeleine, it must have been an old photo that was on the digital camera.

And so in print the abduction story was born and sold to the British public 12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

by Veritas 11.11.13 17:48

That photo is of MMC in a Snow White costume. Doubtful the costume went on holiday. More likely a Christmas photo? Regardless, using a slightly older photo does not mean the others are faked. There's no evidence of any significant forgery.

Alex Woolfall 'knows': 'The Last Photo', and other photos of Madeleine in Praia da Luz