19 May Mail on Sunday: 'MADDIE: UK CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' + WHO SOOTHED A WEEPING MADDIE the Express

bobbin wrote:

margaret wrote:
The first thing the made me think the parents were suspicious was reading in the daily mail that jez Wilkins saw Gerry by the shutters of the apartment that night and Gerry came over to talk to him. So that's why l believe the cadaver scent was in the flower bed too.

And afterwards someone forgot or didn't have time to 'jemmy' those shutters.

Margaret, I remember reading that too, but couldn't remember where and on searching I find its not around any more.
Do you have a copy of the article or can you remember any more details. The fact that Gerry went over to talk to him would place them round the front of the house, by the car park which is where Jez would have started his walk with the child in the buggy around 8 to 8.30, and at some time he saw the lady in the purple dress, looking at 5a whom he later discovered was Jane Tanner.
Your memories here would be good.

MJC wrote:

bristow wrote:She writes ...

"...I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Could that have been:

"F****** Tosser"?

margaret wrote:

bobbin wrote:

margaret wrote:
The first thing the made me think the parents were suspicious was reading in the daily mail that jez Wilkins saw Gerry by the shutters of the apartment that night and Gerry came over to talk to him. So that's why l believe the cadaver scent was in the flower bed too.

And afterwards someone forgot or didn't have time to 'jemmy' those shutters.

Margaret, I remember reading that too, but couldn't remember where and on searching I find its not around any more.
Do you have a copy of the article or can you remember any more details. The fact that Gerry went over to talk to him would place them round the front of the house, by the car park which is where Jez would have started his walk with the child in the buggy around 8 to 8.30, and at some time he saw the lady in the purple dress, looking at 5a whom he later discovered was Jane Tanner.
Your memories here would be good.

I've had the weekend Daily Mails for years and it would have been in either a Saturday or Sunday version. Thinking back though it must have been within a month of Maddie disappearing.

I clearly remember it because up until then l believed the McCanns - had no reason to think they were lying even though l thought they were odd and coldly behaved - it was that story that made me think 'wtf' and l went on the internet to find forums/chat rooms to see if anyone else was thinking what l was thinking. I found the mirror forums [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]and have been around since.

I have since tried to find those articles online with no luck. I did get in touch with the DM but they wanted £8 a copy and since l don't know the exact date it could be a costly exercise, but l know it was in there because as l say, that's when the penny dropped for me.

aiyoyo wrote:If the one hour forty five minutes crying story is rehashed in the press, would Mr & Mrs still come out and defend their parenting skills as being reasonable parenting I wonder.

Lostfridge wrote:

bristow wrote:Do we know who Kate is referring to in the bewk, is it meant to be Mrs. Fenn?

She writes ...

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - I'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plummy voice, inquired "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded 'Oh I see,' almost as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction.
I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Did KM really write this in her book?!!! These snippets paint much different picture than I had of her originally!. I've always had an element of sympathy for her but reading things like this....I am really surprised at how obvious it is what shes trying to do and I dont think its helping her cause.

margaret wrote:It didn't go into that much detail cherry blossom. I think it was just a general mention of events that night.
I remember words to the effect of: 'Jeremy Wilkins saw Gerry by the shutters'
After seeing Tinys post he may be correct, the word tampering may have been there?? At least from what l read l made that inference.

sweetex wrote:mariaccnr ‏@mariaccnr 3s
@mariaccnr middle aged couple the Priest Anglican and wife. Not the Hubbard. But David and Pam.

Not saying its true.... just something I never thought about.

Casey5 wrote: [...]
I always thought that Gerry might well have been trying to dislodge the shutter manually when Jez saw him and that may have been where the "jemmying" of the shutters originated if that had been his plan from the start.

PeterMac wrote:The point is - there is NO COMPLEX.
The pool and bar and tennis courts are enclosed by a wall, but all the apartments are in the village, leased to MW by the owners. They are outside any wall.
So walking round the complex is meaningless.
He was walking round the village, as far and wide as he wanted.
So a detailed report of where he went would be very interesting.
Or rather, would have been . . since it is extremely unlikely that after six years his recollection would be of much value.

lj wrote:

sweetex wrote:mariaccnr ‏@mariaccnr 3s
@mariaccnr middle aged couple the Priest Anglican and wife. Not the Hubbard. But David and Pam.

Not saying its true.... just something I never thought about.

Is that the same that came the night of the "disapperance" when they could not reach a Catholic priest?

Lance De Boils wrote:Oh yes, I remember now - David Heal and his wife, Pam.

russiandoll wrote:Didn't Gerry McCann say around anniversary time, during an interview, that the police would be going public in a couple of weeks ?

And then HC comes out with his statement.
And then there is the story about people in 5a the evening before abduction.

Cristobell wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Didn't Gerry McCann say around anniversary time, during an interview, that the police would be going public in a couple of weeks ?

And then HC comes out with his statement.
And then there is the story about people in 5a the evening before abduction.

I still cannot get over the desolation on their faces at the candle light vigil. They looked as though they had received devastating news.

Châtelaine wrote:

Casey5 wrote: [...]
I always thought that Gerry might well have been trying to dislodge the shutter manually when Jez saw him and that may have been where the "jemmying" of the shutters originated if that had been his plan from the start.

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I still find that very strange and it was one of the first things that alerted me at the time. I mean, it may have been the plan, BUT the shutters were NOT jemmied. Nevertheless, the family claims that Gerry phoned them that night and told them they were. WHY? When it was obvious that they weren't. Unless, he didn't have the chance to let them know that .... Just saying.

Casey5 wrote: [...] It doesn't make sense unless Gerry and Kate had primed the relatives earlier before Gerry had fiddled with the shutters [...]/quote]
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Just saying ...
but: yes, exactly ...

ETA had tried to fiddle ...
ETA2 so what about family possibly being in the know ...?

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ShuBob wrote:I don't feel any sympathy towards family members who were clearly lied to and who have sat back for the best part of six years and watched the lives of innocent people wrecked by the actions of the couple. They could have stopped it long ago by going to the police.

littlepixie wrote:When you become a Grandparent your loyalties change overnight. You would still "die for your kids" if they were attacked, BUT you would also "wring your kids necks" (so to speak), if THEY hurt your Grandchild. The goalposts move dramatically.
Any normal parent would NOT cover up for their children if the death of their Grandchild had occurred.

Châtelaine wrote:

Casey5 wrote: [...] It doesn't make sense unless Gerry and Kate had primed the relatives earlier before Gerry had fiddled with the shutters [...]/quote]
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Just saying ...
but: yes, exactly ...

ETA had tried to fiddle ...
ETA2 so what about family possibly being in the know ...?

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Good night and sleep tight yourself.
Maybe the family in their shock just went along with everything that Gerry and Kate McCann said. After all it was early days and that is all they had to go on. Whether they still believe it now is another matter. The parents of Kate, and the Mother of Gerry must be very concerned at the moment, and it is them, along with the innocent in all this twins, who I feel very sorry for.