19 May Mail on Sunday: 'MADDIE: UK CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' + WHO SOOTHED A WEEPING MADDIE the Express

russiandoll wrote:from Mrs Fenn's statement :

SNIP

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That
night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia
da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not
surprised at the childs crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.

Am I reading this correctly, that Mrs Fenn being home " at night " means she was out for the evening so could not tell police about any crying while McCanns were at dinner, having returned late evening, " night" time ?
As she has been previously describing crying after dark, I find it difficult to interpret this part of her statement as meaning " I can't tell you about the Wednesday because I was out during the day"...[ she had not been focusing her memory on daytime is what I mean]

If she was out for the day returning for the evening, [ tapas mealtime] then she is saying she WAS at home but no crying like evening before.

Ah well, confusion is good!

suziuk wrote:Does anyone remember in 2007 on the Mirror forum that there was a 10th tapas , and it was thought to be Clarence Mitchell ?

suziuk wrote:its still on the Yahoo, from then,,do you want me to copy /paste the link,,

Pershing36 wrote:

suziuk wrote:Does anyone remember in 2007 on the Mirror forum that there was a 10th tapas , and it was thought to be Clarence Mitchell ?

If this is true and could be proved. I think it would be the smoking gun to blow their stories to smithereens.

russiandoll wrote:"She didn't hear anything on the night of the 3rd. No-one going in or out, no checks, no people talking. Nada." [ Mrs Fenn ]

That I believe. Nothing happened Thursday 3rd May involving that apartment until "kick -off." I believe Maddie had been removed to a temporary location earlier and that JW disturbed Gerry who had to place M quickly in the flowerbed. That is why there was a dog alert there imo.

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Cheshire Cat wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:If Campbell was peddling the abduction line, maybe the Mccanns might hire him as pte detective provided they still have money in the Pte Ltd Co.

"Mr Campbell, 56, recently took temporary charge of Operation Yewtree, the inquiry into claims connected with the Jimmy Savile scandal. Now he is to fill a senior role at the Jamaican Independent Commission of Investigations, which probes fatal shootings by the island’s police force."

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Curioser wrote:

russiandoll wrote:"She didn't hear anything on the night of the 3rd. No-one going in or out, no checks, no people talking. Nada." [ Mrs Fenn ]

That I believe. Nothing happened Thursday 3rd May involving that apartment until "kick -off." I believe Maddie had been removed to a temporary location earlier and that JW disturbed Gerry who had to place M quickly in the flowerbed. That is why there was a dog alert there imo.

SNIP

That makes a lot of sense. I couldn't work out why you would put the damn bag down in the garden but that is a good explanation.

margaret wrote:

Curioser wrote:

russiandoll wrote:"She didn't hear anything on the night of the 3rd. No-one going in or out, no checks, no people talking. Nada." [ Mrs Fenn ]

That I believe. Nothing happened Thursday 3rd May involving that apartment until "kick -off." I believe Maddie had been removed to a temporary location earlier and that JW disturbed Gerry who had to place M quickly in the flowerbed. That is why there was a dog alert there imo.

SNIP

That makes a lot of sense. I couldn't work out why you would put the damn bag down in the garden but that is a good explanation.

The first thing the made me think the parents were suspicious was reading in the daily mail that jez Wilkins saw Gerry by the shutters of the apartment that night and Gerry came over to talk to him. So that's why l believe the cadaver scent was in the flower bed too.

And afterwards someone forgot or didn't have time to 'jemmy' those shutters.

[color=red]russiandoll wrote:Didn't Gerry McCann say around anniversary time, during an interview, that the police would be going public in a couple of weeks ?

And then HC comes out with his statement.
And then there is the story about people in 5a the evening before abduction.[/color]

plebgate wrote:

[color=red]russiandoll wrote:Didn't Gerry McCann say around anniversary time, during an interview, that the police would be going public in a couple of weeks ?

And then HC comes out with his statement.
And then there is the story about people in 5a the evening before abduction.[/color]

Sounds right to me and about that time when wee Kelly said it is the first time in six years Mrs. was able to smile. Yes there were smiles and sofa sittings then, but where are they now that HC has given this statement?

Tanner's description certainly does not fit with a middle age man being the abductor.

I wonder if we will hear next of somebody seeing one of those electric wheelchairs hanging around during the holiday. It's about the only thing yet not to have been seen in such a quiet resort, so quiet that it was apparently safe to leave doors opens and children alone in their apartments whilst the parents went out WINING and dining.

Jog on with the stories, cos it's all getting on my nerves.

aiyoyo wrote:If Campbell was peddling the abduction line, maybe the Mccanns might hire him as pte detective provided they still have money in the Pte Ltd Co.

Curioser wrote:

russiandoll wrote:from Mrs Fenn's statement :

SNIP

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That
night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia
da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not
surprised at the childs crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.

Am I reading this correctly, that Mrs Fenn being home " at night " means she was out for the evening so could not tell police about any crying while McCanns were at dinner, having returned late evening, " night" time ?
As she has been previously describing crying after dark, I find it difficult to interpret this part of her statement as meaning " I can't tell you about the Wednesday because I was out during the day"...[ she had not been focusing her memory on daytime is what I mean]

If she was out for the day returning for the evening, [ tapas mealtime] then she is saying she WAS at home but no crying like evening before.

Ah well, confusion is good!

I think she meant she was out all day and only came home to sleep, so later at night.

I've always thought this was weird too. Mrs Fenn says:
At about 23H45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse

Which means she could hear any little thing, any door opening below etc. Then:
When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCANN apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

She didn't hear anything on the night of the 3rd. No-one going in or out, no checks, no people talking. Nada.

bristow wrote:She writes ...

"...I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

bristow wrote:Do we know who Kate is referring to in the bewk, is it meant to be Mrs. Fenn?

She writes ...

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - I'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plummy voice, inquired "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded 'Oh I see,' almost as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction.
I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Lostfridge wrote:

bristow wrote:Do we know who Kate is referring to in the bewk, is it meant to be Mrs. Fenn?

She writes ...

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - I'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plummy voice, inquired "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded 'Oh I see,' almost as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction.
I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Did KM really write this in her book?!!! These snippets paint much different picture than I had of her originally!. I've always had an element of sympathy for her but reading things like this....I am really surprised at how obvious it is what shes trying to do and I dont think its helping her cause.