Re: Doctor on the Run

by **PeterMac** 22.04.13 16:52

tigger wrote:
Ask yourselves people, every 3 minutes a child goes missing - where are they? Not on the lists of the missing it seems. Perhaps I should ask a policeman.

No. Get it right.
It is One chid every 3 miutes.
Just the one, who runs away every three minutes.

by **tigger** 22.04.13 18:19

PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
Ask yourselves people, every 3 minutes a child goes missing - where are they? Not on the lists of the missing it seems. Perhaps I should ask a policeman.
No. Get it right.
It is One child every 3 minutes.
Just the one, who runs away every three minutes.

O that child! The one whose parents are either playing tennis or having dinner next door. big grin

by Guest 22.04.13 19:25

What strikes me is, that we are losing the child involved from out sights.

She must have suffered horribly.

The whole affair is inconceivable: a little girl vaporized, gone up into thin air.

A little body, just gone, unaccounted for. Where did she go? Who disposed of this little human being?

This is the only thing (not a thing, an aspect) that matters to me so much.

If something similar happened in my family, I would do anything, absolutely anything, to find her.

Maybe we're at cross purposes, and Kate & Gerry did what they could conceive of. But why all the shenanigans, the Pinocht lawyer, every chance to take the right decision squandered by greedy hangers-on?

If they came clean, even now, we would try to understand and forgive them.

Whereas now, who is to say?

by **sharonl** 22.04.13 20:35

In this report from missing kids website http://news.sky.com/story/572741/information-gap-over-missing-kids-in-uk

Scotland Yard's Missing Person bureau bore even less fruit when its spokeswoman claimed: "In the last 50 days there have been no cases that resemble the McCann one, no missing or abducted children."

So, according to Scotland Yard, not one reported case in 50 days yet according to Missing kids there should have been 24,000 and over a year that would be 175,200.

Surely if a child is missing, the first thing the parents (well normal parents anyway) do is call the police. So where are missing kids getting their information from?

by ShuBob 22.04.13 20:42

Before Kate McCann became associated with them via Missing People, were Missing Kids in the habit of giving out misleading information?

by **tigger** 22.04.13 20:56

ShuBob wrote:Before Kate McCann became associated with them via Missing People, were Missing Kids in the habit of giving out misleading information?

Missing Kids website is run by CEOP - that highly acclaimed ...I can't go on! splat

by **PeterMac** 22.04.13 21:30

Portia wrote:
If something similar happened in my family, I would do anything, absolutely anything, to find her.

You would tell the truth.
You would confess, and throw ourself on the mercy of the law and the court of public opinion, both of which are ultimately very forgiving of mistake and weakness.

by plebgate 23.04.13 8:48

PeterMac wrote:
Portia wrote:
If something similar happened in my family, I would do anything, absolutely anything, to find her.
You would tell the truth.
You would confess, and throw ourself on the mercy of the law and the court of public opinion, both of which are ultimately very forgiving of mistake and weakness.

Instead of training and giving interviews about running the London Marathon I would be at the cop shop answering the 48 questions that might help find my missing daughter.

I know for sure I would not be sitting on a settee with wee Kelly smiling from ear to ear. I would never smile again if my daughter was still missing after all these years - a findable, living little girl who might be being subjected to goodness knows what. Makes me feel ill to think of it.

by aiyoyo 23.04.13 13:03

PeterMac wrote:
Portia wrote:
If something similar happened in my family, I would do anything, absolutely anything, to find her.
You would tell the truth.
You would confess, and throw ourself on the mercy of the law and the court of public opinion, both of which are ultimately very forgiving of mistake and weakness.

You would only if it was an accident.
Else you wont get any mercy from the Law or the Public.
So for a cover up of this brazen scale it has to something not accidental that can be explained away

by Beanie 23.04.13 21:32

aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Portia wrote:
If something similar happened in my family, I would do anything, absolutely anything, to find her.
You would tell the truth.
You would confess, and throw ourself on the mercy of the law and the court of public opinion, both of which are ultimately very forgiving of mistake and weakness.

You would only if it was an accident.
Else you wont get any mercy from the Law or the Public.
So for a cover up of this brazen scale it has to something not accidental that can be explained away

I totally agree.

by maebee 23.04.13 22:32

Instead of training and giving interviews about running the London Marathon I would be at the cop shop answering the 48 questions that might help find my missing daughter.

I know for sure I would not be sitting on a settee with wee Kelly smiling from ear to ear. I would never smile again if my daughter was still missing after all these years - a findable, living little girl who might be being subjected to goodness knows what. Makes me feel ill to think of it.

I was just thinking the same thing pleb. Her running is for raising money. Pity she didn't run the streets of PDL to search for her missing daughter. By her own admission, she didn't even WALK to search for her. And, as we all know, the smiling & laughter began within days of Madeleine's disappearance aaagh

by **sharonl** 23.04.13 23:17

The McCanns are surrounded by Millionaires, politicians and celebrities. They have a few millionaires on the McCann fund board of directors alone without their financial backers and the patrons of these charities that they belong too. The search for Madeleine has been funded with and open cheque book from David Cameron, do they really need to raise money?
The run raised around £20k, quite a substantial amount really but to team McCann that is probably petty cash. So no, this was probably not done to raise money but was a publicity stunt on behalf of the charity in the hope of substantial and regular donations in the future.

by aiyoyo 24.04.13 7:13

sharonl wrote:The McCanns are surrounded by Millionaires, politicians and celebrities. They have a few millionaires on the McCann fund board of directors alone without their financial backers and the patrons of these charities that they belong too. The search for Madeleine has been funded with and open cheque book from David Cameron, do they really need to raise money?
The run raised around £20k, quite a substantial amount really but to team McCann that is probably petty cash. So no, this was probably not done to raise money but was a publicity stunt on behalf of the charity in the hope of substantial and regular donations in the future.

Only a fraction of that was raised by Kate- maybe a quarter of that. Not much really considering Kate's not exactly an unknown and the coverage she got preceding the event. In fact she is well known for the wrong reason and people were probably put off by her self promoting publicity when she should have used the airtime to promote the cause of Charity Organisations.

Considering she is middle-class doctor, surrounded by the super-rich and super influential, then the collection attributed to her participating is pathetically pittance. It seems no one is fooled by Kate, she has cried wolf too many times and people are just sick of her antics and her stupid stunts. By now, discerning people know she did it for agenda-loaded selfish reason to raise awareness of her case more than anything else, hoping gullible people will continue to donate to her Pte Ltd Company.

If she's really well connected she should be able to influence some important persons to join her in the run. Even Gerry did not join her in the run.

I think their days of support from rich and influential is history. I will be really surprised if any of those past supporters stand behind them now. The few millionaires lending their names as Directors to the Fund are different story altogether. IMO, for those few trustees associated to one another btw to help Mccanns keep the lid on the truth, there must be a good reason behind it, and that reason I believe, is not borne just out of kindness to help a couple who are strangers (allegedly) to them. There is more than one secret hidden in the mystery of Missing Madeleine. All my opinion of course.

by **sharonl** 24.04.13 7:32

£5000 was donated by Hugh Grant, £20 was donated by Susan Healy. Other donors include family and friends, the tapas 9 and a few trolls. That doesn, t leave much from Joe Public

by **Nina** 24.04.13 10:31

sharonl wrote:£5000 was donated by Hugh Grant, £20 was donated by Susan Healy. Other donors include family and friends, the tapas 9 and a few trolls. That doesn, t leave much from Joe Public

Mmmm only 20 from her own Mum, not saying, just saying.

by aiyoyo 24.04.13 10:36

Nina wrote:
sharonl wrote:£5000 was donated by Hugh Grant, £20 was donated by Susan Healy. Other donors include family and friends, the tapas 9 and a few trolls. That doesn, t leave much from Joe Public

Mmmm only 20 from her own Mum, not saying, just saying.

And not even a dime from Gerry, not saying, just saying too.

And, Missing People Charity was hoping to piggy back on her fame!

by ShuBob 24.04.13 13:19

Some of her backers may have given her cash or cheques in brown envelops as they didn't want their names appearing online. Not saying, just saying Doctor on the Run - Page 2 110921

by jd 24.04.13 13:56

Was gerry mccann running last Sunday? Was he there at all?

Or was dear katie all by her lonesome?

by **tigger** 24.04.13 14:20

ShuBob wrote:Some of her backers may have given her cash or cheques in brown envelops as they didn't want their names appearing online. Not saying, just saying

Don't be silly! People have just been sending cash in enveloppes marked "To Gerry and Kate - Rothley' - always gets there! winkwink

by ShuBob 24.04.13 14:28

tigger wrote:
ShuBob wrote:Some of her backers may have given her cash or cheques in brown envelops as they didn't want their names appearing online. Not saying, just saying

Don't be silly! People have just been sending cash in enveloppes marked "To Gerry and Kate - Rothley' - always gets there!

As affirmed by Clarence Mitchell himself Doctor on the Run - Page 2 302873

by **Nina** 24.04.13 15:42

Just read this on Facebook forum. Very good read http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/kate-mccann-and-those-death-threats.html

by whmon 24.04.13 15:58

Nina wrote:Just read this on Facebook forum. Very good read http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/kate-mccann-and-those-death-threats.html

Very, very well said!

by Liz Eagles 24.04.13 20:12

Quote from Missing People website to show young people they've helped.

'Young people we've helped

Runaway Helpline gets thousands of calls, emails and texts every week. Here are a few examples of the people we’ve helped.

As we are confidential we have not given the real names of the people we helped.

Sam

At Christmas 2008, Missing People launched a free text service to the
Runaway Helpline number. The very first message we received had just
one word - ‘help’. Sam, 13, had run away and wanted to harm himself. Sam
said that no one cared. We cared. Missing People found Sam a safe place
to go in his local area.

Tina

Tina was very upset when she called Runaway Helpline. She told us she
was 11 and that she had been kicked out from home. Half way through the
call Tina hung up. We did not hear back from Tina that night and we
were worried about her.

Tina called us back a few days later and
asked us to contact a Social Worker for her. We made the call and a
Social Worker who agreed to call Tina in the phone box.

We heard
from Tina a month later as she had run away again that morning. It was
now very late at night. Tina was getting very cold and had nowhere to
go. With our support Tina agreed to speak on the phone to a police
officer. They agreed to pick Trina up and to make sure she had somewhere
warm and safe to go that night.

Will

We first spoke to Will on a Saturday evening. He told us that he had
run away because his dad had been hitting and kicking him. Will was now
getting very behind at school.

Will was very scared and told us
he was feeling very lonely. We encouraged Will to talk things through
with a Social Worker. We were able to explain to the Social Worker that
Will was worried about talking about what his dad.

Will is now staying with his mum and is safe and happy.'

I find it incredible that this minefield of a website can only come up with this statement to qualify service delivery in helping young missing people. That huge launch of a telephone number and this is all they can come up with on their mega-buck website!
Kate McCann is chosen to launch a digital media campaign and the results are?

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/missing-people/young-people/young-people-weve-helped

by Guest 24.04.13 20:18

aquila wrote:Quote from Missing People website to show young people they've helped.

'Young people we've helped

Runaway Helpline gets thousands of calls, emails and texts every week. Here are a few examples of the people we’ve helped.

As we are confidential we have not given the real names of the people we helped.

Sam

At Christmas 2008, Missing People launched a free text service to the
Runaway Helpline number. The very first message we received had just
one word - ‘help’. Sam, 13, had run away and wanted to harm himself. Sam
said that no one cared. We cared. Missing People found Sam a safe place
to go in his local area.

Tina

Tina was very upset when she called Runaway Helpline. She told us she
was 11 and that she had been kicked out from home. Half way through the
call Tina hung up. We did not hear back from Tina that night and we
were worried about her.

Tina called us back a few days later and
asked us to contact a Social Worker for her. We made the call and a
Social Worker who agreed to call Tina in the phone box.

We heard
from Tina a month later as she had run away again that morning. It was
now very late at night. Tina was getting very cold and had nowhere to
go. With our support Tina agreed to speak on the phone to a police
officer. They agreed to pick Trina up and to make sure she had somewhere
warm and safe to go that night.

Will

We first spoke to Will on a Saturday evening. He told us that he had
run away because his dad had been hitting and kicking him. Will was now
getting very behind at school.

Will was very scared and told us
he was feeling very lonely. We encouraged Will to talk things through
with a Social Worker. We were able to explain to the Social Worker that
Will was worried about talking about what his dad.

Will is now staying with his mum and is safe and happy.'

I find it incredible that this minefield of a website can only come up with this statement to qualify service delivery in helping young missing people. That huge launch of a telephone number and this is all they can come up with on their mega-buck website!
Kate McCann is chosen to launch a digital media campaign and the results are?

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/missing-people/young-people/young-people-weve-helped

Hey, how about this?

From Belgium and the Netherlands, around 300 minors or young adolescents are now reported missing; probably gone to Syria to prop up the Free Syrian Army. Most of their parents appear to be desperate, all the more so because they receive iphone calls from their missing loved ones saying this is not quite what they expected when they set out. These children are missing (people)

Kate, sorry to disturb you at your lofty travails, but how about it?

by **PeterMac** 24.04.13 22:46

And this is exactly the point.
Missing - implies that no one knows where they are. If someone knows, they are not "Missing". They are just somewhere else.
Abducted - has a legal definition in each civilised country, - (which differs !) - but includes cases where one parent has the child and the other one does not.
Kidnapped - is in more common usage, but does not seem to feature in legal papers.
Stolen - is usually applied only to non-human property.
Run-away - implies that the young person has taken a conscious decision to escape the horror of their family home - though it is not usually presented in this way
and so on

Perhaps one of the 'good' things all these disparate and expensive charities could do would be to agree on the use of language.
And then to lobby governments across the world to use consistent language, easily identifiable words for each of the different situations.

The PACT woman had her own children taken by her own husband, their father.
It has NEVER been suggested that the children are in danger, ill treated, or anything else.
They are simply with one parent, rather than the other one.
She has taken a huge salary every year since.
What she has actually achieved is entirely unclear.
She was assisted by Cherie Blair, who may also have received money from the Charity.
What she ever achieved was also entirely unclear.

by **PeterMac** 24.04.13 23:01

Nina wrote:Just read this on Facebook forum. Very good read http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/kate-mccann-and-those-death-threats.html

Have started a new thread on this. It is excellent, clear, focussed, and to the point.

keyword search for Kevin, who apparently needs more than five minutes to find out what has been posted
Kevin, Kevin, Kretin, Carter-Ruck, Tony Bennett,
Kevin, top right is a "search" box.
Use that.
It is is very simple.
Or get one of the office juniors to show you how.

by Liz Eagles 25.04.13 11:27

100,000 people missing in a year.

SkyNews interview with the CEO Missing People.

I admit that maths isn't a strength of mine but I don't understand the numbers in this interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYYde0uxD30

I am not in anyway denigrating the work of Missing People. I just don't understand the figures and there are a few figures in this interview.

ETA. This is an article from the Independent 11th October 2009 quoting 275,000 people go missing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-missing-each-year-275000-britons-disappear-1801010.html

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