THE SENTENCING JUDGMENT in the case of McCanns v Bennett

PeterMac wrote:And of course you would not be allowed to list the 43 questions that Kate refused to answer
Which may still be found here - Carter Ruck please note. Someone in your office has been negligent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html

" I have had to keep saying to myself: I know the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the truth will out.
Yet publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family. "

PeterMac, good post so I took it to head this new page.
kindest regards
parapono

Snipped from PeterMac's post.

" I have had to keep saying to myself: I know
the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the
truth will out.
Yet publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family. "

Where does this quote come from Peter? Is it from the bewk?

aquila wrote:Snipped from PeterMac's post.

" I have had to keep saying to myself: I know
the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the
truth will out.
Yet publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family. "

Where does this quote come from Peter? Is it from the bewk?

It's a very convulated statement which does not make any sense at all.

Why did she have to keep saying to herself " I know the truth". Why not just say "I know the truth"?

So her bewk is just a bible of lies then , if we are to believe her last sentence, since she said "publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family".

That woman is seriously mentally ill or bipolar. She seems to flip flop from one character to another.

Why should publishing the truth be risky for her or her family?

Does this mean quite literally that if she published the truth, she would be at imminent risk of arrest and trial because of the part she played (whatever that actually was) in this whole saga?

What other risks to her and her family could there be by being honest?

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

The McCanns have sued the newspapers, Amaral, Tony Bennett etc. They're running out of people to sue. Perhaps they'll turn on CR, their PR machine, their publishers/ghost writers if they consider the advice given to them or indeed negligence from no advice damaged their reputations or caused them stress.

Just my opinion of course.

PS. IM (Kate's lawyer) admitted in the court she hadn't read the book if I recall correctly. Could someone confirm that for me as I'd hate to get into trouble.

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

Perhaps it still is a cry for help, if so, what can we do to help?
A genuine question, what can we do?

parapono

aquila wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

The McCanns have sued the newspapers, Amaral, Tony Bennett etc. They're running out of people to sue. Perhaps they'll turn on CR, their PR machine, their publishers/ghost writers if they consider the advice given to them or indeed negligence from no advice damaged their reputations or caused them stress.

Just my opinion of course.

PS. IM (Kate's lawyer) admitted in the court she hadn't read the book if I recall correctly. Could someone confirm that for me as I'd hate to get into trouble.

Confirmed
parapono

parapono wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

Perhaps it still is a cry for help, if so, what can we do to help?
A genuine question, what can we do?

parapono

I don't know Parapono. How far will a mother go to protect her family? My Mother made me cover up my sexual abuse by her own brother in order to protect the family. I am not suggesting in anyway whatsoever that sexual abuse occurred in the McCann family, I'm just showing how perhaps a mother does the best she can with what she has at the time to do what she considers best for everyone in the family. If lies occur or 'something' has to be covered up then a mother might take a stance for the greater good of everyone.

All families have secrets.

Dear aquila,
my question remains:
what can we do?

parapono

parapono wrote:Dear aquila,
my question remains:
What can we do?

parapono

'We' can do nothing. It is a mother's choice to do the right thing.

PeterMac wrote:And of course you would not be allowed to list the 48 questions that Kate refused to answer
Which may still be found here - Carter Ruck please note. Someone in your office has been negligent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html

" I have had to keep saying to myself: I know the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the truth will out.
Yet publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family. "

One other way of interpreting the above is that the couple are under threat if the truth is revealed about what happened, that they for some reason have been forced not to divulge the truth. Kate says the book is truthful, so the truth must lie in what has been omitted rather than what has been written. Maybe it is her attempt at getting a message across without the risk of being direct.

Maybe pay attention to the issues upon which there is silence or almost silence.
Maybe the McCanns for some reason that seems difficult to imagine, are acting under duress.

I felt all the way through her book that Kate gave clues about what happened, in a cryptic way.

I have not read anything anywhere which is evidence that either she or her husband played any part in Maddie's death. Simple tragic accident followed by convoluted cover up is my belief. Having lost one child, they would not risk losing the twins. I believe their lifestyle and careers [ their home and lifestyle appears no different to most in their profession] was a secondary concern.
Speculation on the internet that she was deliberately harmed is without any basis in fact.
Whatever has happened to her, her parents are suffering, it is written all over their faces. A living hell, so deserving of pity.

parapono wrote:

aquila wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

The McCanns have sued the newspapers, Amaral, Tony Bennett etc. They're running out of people to sue. Perhaps they'll turn on CR, their PR machine, their publishers/ghost writers if they consider the advice given to them or indeed negligence from no advice damaged their reputations or caused them stress.

Just my opinion of course.

PS. IM (Kate's lawyer) admitted in the court she hadn't read the book if I recall correctly. Could someone confirm that for me as I'd hate to get into trouble.

Confirmed
parapono

How very odd.

Author Kate in her acknowledgements p 382 Book:

Ed Smethurst, Adam Tudor, Isabel Hudson and Isabel Duarte in particulare have laboured faithfully out of the goodness of their hearts, on Medeleine's behalf and ours, regardless of the day or the hour.

Their priceless expertise and commitment has (sic) extended to the completion of this book.

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

Must be, because otherwise what she said does not make any sense at all.

She states: " I have had to keep saying to myself: I know
the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the
truth will out."

If she believes that one day, the truth will out, why not tell the truth now?
The risks to her family is not going to be any lesser when that day arrives.

Portia wrote:

parapono wrote:

aquila wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

The McCanns have sued the newspapers, Amaral, Tony Bennett etc. They're running out of people to sue. Perhaps they'll turn on CR, their PR machine, their publishers/ghost writers if they consider the advice given to them or indeed negligence from no advice damaged their reputations or caused them stress.

Just my opinion of course.



PS. IM (Kate's lawyer) admitted in the court she hadn't read the book if I recall correctly. Could someone confirm that for me as I'd hate to get into trouble.

Confirmed


parapono

How very odd.

Author Kate in her acknowledgements p 382 Book:

Ed Smethurst, Adam Tudor, Isabel Hudson and Isabel Duarte in particulare have laboured faithfully out of the goodness of their hearts, on Medeleine's behalf and ours, regardless of the day or the hour.

Their priceless expertise and commitment has (sic) extended to the completion of this book.

Portia it was said in court.
aquila was there, I was there...

kindest regards
parapono

Portia wrote:

parapono wrote:

aquila wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

The McCanns have sued the newspapers, Amaral, Tony Bennett etc. They're running out of people to sue. Perhaps they'll turn on CR, their PR machine, their publishers/ghost writers if they consider the advice given to them or indeed negligence from no advice damaged their reputations or caused them stress.

Just my opinion of course.

PS. IM (Kate's lawyer) admitted in the court she hadn't read the book if I recall correctly. Could someone confirm that for me as I'd hate to get into trouble.

Confirmed
parapono

How very odd.

Author Kate in her acknowledgements p 382 Book:

Ed Smethurst, Adam Tudor, Isabel Hudson and Isabel Duarte in particulare have laboured faithfully out of the goodness of their hearts, on Medeleine's behalf and ours, regardless of the day or the hour.

Their priceless expertise and commitment has (sic) extended to the completion of this book.

Unless Kate is a master of deception, that even legal eagles were fooled by her.
She does have a way of looking like a damsel in distress with her half breathy voice, roll of the eyes, and hand on the heart gesture.

parapono wrote:

Portia wrote:

parapono wrote:

aquila wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Or a risk to Gerry, and the twins being taken into care. There are infinite possibilities.
Why Carter-Ruck and the other lawyers allowed her to include some of the stuff she did is beyond me.
Perhaps it was a genuine "cry for help".

The McCanns have sued the newspapers, Amaral, Tony Bennett etc. They're running out of people to sue. Perhaps they'll turn on CR, their PR machine, their publishers/ghost writers if they consider the advice given to them or indeed negligence from no advice damaged their reputations or caused them stress.

Just my opinion of course.



PS. IM (Kate's lawyer) admitted in the court she hadn't read the book if I recall correctly. Could someone confirm that for me as I'd hate to get into trouble.

Confirmed


parapono

How very odd.

Author Kate in her acknowledgements p 382 Book:

Ed Smethurst, Adam Tudor, Isabel Hudson and Isabel Duarte in particulare have laboured faithfully out of the goodness of their hearts, on Medeleine's behalf and ours, regardless of the day or the hour.

Their priceless expertise and commitment has (sic) extended to the completion of this book.

Portia it was said in court.
aquila was there, I was there...

kindest regards
parapono

That means either kate is lying, or Isabel Hudson is lying.

Isobel Hudson extended her etc etc to the completion of the Book according to its author.

Maybe Isobel Martorelli forgot that?

Was she under oath when she denied having read the Book?

Or are these pure semantics, and did she read the proofs, but not the final edition?

Anyway, whoever gave the go-ahead for the publication of the book, must have been either billing for idle hours, looking the other way or hoping for more business when the hapless writer would be caught out as having demonstrably been economical with the truth.

I mean, which lawyer would hand his/her client a rope, knot it for her, tell her to bow her head and fasten the knot around her neck?
And, having done that, go off, get a chair and tel her to step on it, swinging the rope around a beam overhead?

Hello Kevin: this is not a death threat: it is a metaphore.

Did poor Kate take the bait, or did she not? Who IS paying C-R anyway? What is their remit? Who are the ones they are protecting bottom line?

If you let a document like 'madeleine' pass muster, in full understanding of the risks for your client, or at least capable of understanding them, or, alternately, having been in a position to examine the proofs, why proceed to have her release this 'longest suicide note in history' (inquit Blacksmith, so aptly)

When Kate goes down, it will not be solely her own fault.

To that extent I share your concern, Parapono, asking what could be done to save her.

But wait, a glimmer of understanding, the Book p. 5: '

As our investigation is still ongoing, and for legal reasons, some opinions or episodes cannot be shared until Madeleine is found'

They investigation has been put aside by the review, its ministers debunked long ago.

So now there are only legal reasons not to be open and honest, forever?

'Curiouser & curiouser!'
(The Muppet Show)

Portia wrote:But wait, a glimmer of understanding, the Book p. 5: '

As our investigation is still ongoing, and for legal reasons, some opinions or episodes cannot be shared until Madeleine is found'

They investigation has been put aside by the review, its ministers debunked long ago.

So now there are only legal reasons not to be open and honest, forever?

'Curiouser & curiouser!'
(The Muppet Show)

Good grief, what is that mad woman implying one wonders.
She said "found", not "returned" - big difference.

I'm afraid I won't shed a tear if the McCanns are ever hauled before a court - which I very much doubt will ever happen - and made to face up to and admit what really happened on that holiday.
It's Madeleine I feel sorry for, although I feel she is beyond any harm, she never had the chance to go to big school, have sleepovers and do all the normal things a child does as it gets older. I am also concerned about the twins, their slightly "macabre" upbringing so far with the huge amount of focus being on their missing sister- who incidentally they keep being told has come to no harm. wtf !!
Kate and Gerry have had ample opportunity to come clean, they were made aware very early on that they would have received a very lenient punishment but they decided, for whatever reason, to continue to lie and follow the "wider agenda".
Well so be it, but if there's any justice in this world they both should answer in a court of law for whatever happened to Madeleine McCann.
They, and they alone are totally responsible.

Casey5 wrote:I'm afraid I won't shed a tear if the McCanns are ever hauled before a court - which I very much doubt will ever happen - and made to face up to and admit what really happened on that holiday.
It's Madeleine I feel sorry for, although I feel she is beyond any harm, she never had the chance to go to big school, have sleepovers and do all the normal things a child does as it gets older. I am also concerned about the twins, their slightly "macabre" upbringing so far with the huge amount of focus being on their missing sister- who incidentally they keep being told has come to no harm. wtf !!
Kate and Gerry have had ample opportunity to come clean, they were made aware very early on that they would have received a very lenient punishment but they decided, for whatever reason, to continue to lie and follow the "wider agenda".
Well so be it, but if there's any justice in this world they both should answer in a court of law for whatever happened to Madeleine McCann.
They, and they alone are totally responsible.

Talking about school, surely whoever had her would send her to school. Especially if she's with a childless couple theory is to be believed, more reason to think they would have sent her to school since she was of proper schooling age a few years back. A childless couple paying people to kidnap her makes no sense whatsoever since they are plenty adoption agencies around. Plus how the childless couple expect to hide such a high profile missing child away from public eyes is a complete mystery. So that theory can be discarded.

Even gypsies send their kids to school. I know that for a fact because schools in France are full of them. And their kids are usually very nice and well mannered too. So the theory that gypsies had her can also go out the window.

It's an undeniable fact that Maddie, if alive and with someone, was not sent to school or she would have been spotted in School by now.
When you think about it, even Pedophile sends kids to school. So even this theory can be thrown out.

That leaves only one inevitable conclusion - ie Maddie is dead.
There's simply no way anyone can hide a most well known missing child for so long and not be spotted by now.
Not unless the person is a reclusive cave man. Even this theory is not plausible as a reclusive cave man would just be that - reclusive - and never been out of the cave.

A troupe of british cleaners indeed - 6 people in white coats! What profession wears white? We know of 6 Brits in white uniform profession.

" I have had to keep saying to myself: I know the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the truth will out.
Yet publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family. "
It is an odd thing to say. If you know the truth, then then there is no need to wait passively until it "outs" itself. Also being said is that it is publishing the truth. not speaking or telling, which is "fraught with risks for our family". Not just one risk either or maybe two, but many are implied.

Casey5 wrote:I'm afraid I won't shed a tear if the McCanns are ever hauled before a court - which I very much doubt will ever happen - and made to face up to and admit what really happened on that holiday.
It's Madeleine I feel sorry for, although I feel she is beyond any harm, she never had the chance to go to big school, have sleepovers and do all the normal things a child does as it gets older. I am also concerned about the twins, their slightly "macabre" upbringing so far with the huge amount of focus being on their missing sister- who incidentally they keep being told has come to no harm. wtf !!
Kate and Gerry have had ample opportunity to come clean, they were made aware very early on that they would have received a very lenient punishment but they decided, for whatever reason, to continue to lie and follow the "wider agenda".
Well so be it, but if there's any justice in this world they both should answer in a court of law for whatever happened to Madeleine McCann.
They, and they alone are totally responsible.

I completely agree with you. For anyone to think that K McCann is trying to pass on any message and needs anyone's help from this forum is insane.

The McCanns have known from day one what they're doing, have people forgotten the hell they've put Tony Bennett and Goncalo Amaral through, for God's sake. Have you forgotten the £millions they've made off the back of poor Madeleine.

I was in awe of some of the posters on this website but I now think some of you are beginning to lose the plot. People on this forum have been fighting for justice for Madeleine for 6 years, don't be fooled by K McCann's ramblings.

I hear what you say, Newintown.

There are the few odd moments when I feel sorry for the McCanns but then I think of all the awful things they have done to save their own miserable skins and my sympathy goes out of the window, unlike Madeleine.....

I do feel that Kate has a serious personality disorder though and it's a pity that, as far as we know, she has not been treated for it.

from newintown's post [ and my last post here as the thread is going way off-topic]


I completely agree with you. For
anyone to think that K McCann is trying to pass on any message and
needs anyone's help from this forum is insane.

The McCanns have
known from day one what they're doing, have people forgotten the hell
they've put Tony Bennett and Goncalo Amaral through, for God's sake.
Have you forgotten the £millions they've made off the back of poor
Madeleine.

I was in awe of some of the posters on this website
but I now think some of you are beginning to lose the plot. People on
this forum have been fighting for justice for Madeleine for 6 years,
don't be fooled by K McCann's ramblings.


My position :

Kate does not ramble in her book imo. It was clearly written with an agenda, that being to attempt to explain away certain contentious issues.
There is in the book as in the witness statements a clear attempt to "back-fill" or "retro- fit", I can't recall the correct term.
I do not think she was passing on any coded messages and I do not understand your ref. to her needing help from this forum. She does need help though imo.
She does know what has happened to her daughter, that she is dead. The dream sequence described in the book imo was not a dream but the reality of her cradling her daughter's body. This was the part of the book where I saw truth and raw anguish. I felt pity when I read that.

I feel anger mixed with pity for any parent whose moral compass is so off track that they would cover up the death of their child, for whatever reasons. I want to see anyone involved in court to answer for any crimes committed. If they do not, then they have to live with their lies and the burden of that will be heavy. I would not be them, what a way to live. Purgatory. Or Hell
The treatment of TB and GA is a disgrace, she said she was a lioness in her book so I am not surprised at the actions towards those 2 men if she is intent on keeping her family intact. btw a lioness does not leave her cubs vulnerable, another reason I do not believe the couple left their children alone at night.

Imo Kate has in her book as good as told us that her daughter died in a fall. She is clearly suffering, look at the woman's face. I believe if she was not psychologically unwell 6 years ago, she is now.
I am not going to indulge in speculation about paedophilia among the group, or give any credit to the theories that the little girl was sent on her way because she was not wanted, or was too much of a problem for her emotionally fragile mother. If Andy Redwood has dismissed those theories it is to be expected. They are nothing but lurid imaginings.

Maddie tripped on the aircraft steps. Did she only bang her knee? Could she have suffered a seemingly superficial head injury which was ultimately fatal? A likely place for an accident was the creche. She was taken swimming and there is no indication of how safe the pool was or how well qualified in first aid the staff were. There are things in the files which suggest death prior to 3rd May.
Anyone who has behaved in such a way as McCanns and co. have is deserving of my anger, out of a sense of injustice and wanting the truth.
I do also feel pity though, they are bereaved parents whatever has happened. And self- preservation came before the truth. It is the behaviour of children focussed on themselves, not mature adults. That makes me very angry, but also very sad. Mostly for Madeleine.