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Post by jozi 24.01.13 13:38

candyfloss wrote:Here is more confirmation from Joana blog.......

McCanns ask for extrajudicial settlement


24 January 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais





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They were the ones who took him to court for defamation and asked to suspend the judgement in order to negotiate. On the eve of the trial of Gonçalo Amaral, against whom they filed a complaint, the McCanns asked to negotiate.

by Hernâni Carvalho

It's not often the one that accuses that asks to negotiate but in this case it was so. TVmais found that, on the eve of Gonçalo Amaral's trial, the McCann couple lawyers proposed a meeting in order to reach an extrajudicial settlement[out of court).

In court, Madeleine McCann's parents demanded from Gonçalo Amaral (see box*) a compensation of 1,2 million euro for alleged defamation. Now it's them who propose an extrajudicial settlement. TVmais also learned the lawyers for the defendants (sic) have accepted a meeting to take place within the following 20 days.

As all parties have agreed, the start of the trial, scheduled for 24th of this month at the 1st Civil Court of Lisbon, “has been suspended because the parties are trying to reach an agreement”, said a judiciary to Lusa News agency. All witnesses have already been notified of the suspension of the hearing.

Now follows a period of six months, after which, if there is no agreement, the hearing will be scheduled and the trial will start.

Read the full story in this week's edition of tvmais, on news-stands now!

in: TVmais, 24.01.2013

Note:* belongs to the paper version/not online (trying to get paper version)

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/01/mccanns-ask-for-extrajudicial-settlement.html

Brilliant News but I hope Mr Amaral does not make a deal......taking it to court is the only way to get these two leeches off his back and show the world what this pair are like.....I would not trust them at all !!!
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Post by saltnpepper 24.01.13 13:41

Brilliant News but I hope Mr Amaral does not make a
deal......taking it to court is the only way to get these two leeches
off his back and show the world what this pair are like.....I would not
trust them at all !!!

Who knows...will the McCanns be available in 6 months ? It is possible they could be involved in their defence
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Post by Eddie 24.01.13 14:07

first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.
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Post by Guest 24.01.13 14:12

ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

Oh for goodness sake give it up, you are talking rubbish. Amaral will not have to pay anything if the McCanns are seeking a settlement, use your loaf. Just how much clarification do you need...........oh I know clarification.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say then don't!!!!
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Post by Woofer 24.01.13 14:13

Lets hope the court case does go ahead and the world will see how ridiculous the McCann`s claim is. Then it`ll be Goncalo`s turn to be doing the sueing.

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Post by Eddie 24.01.13 14:14

candyfloss wrote:
ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

Oh for goodness sake give it up, you are talking rubbish. Amaral will not have to pay anything if the McCanns are seeking a settlement, use your loaf. Just how much clarification do you need...........oh I know clarification.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say then don't!!!!

We will just have to wait to see who is talking rubbish.

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Post by tiny 24.01.13 14:23

ed1976 wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

Oh for goodness sake give it up, you are talking rubbish. Amaral will not have to pay anything if the McCanns are seeking a settlement, use your loaf. Just how much clarification do you need...........oh I know clarification.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say then don't!!!!

We will just have to wait to see who is talking rubbish.

ed1976,the village is looking for you.
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Post by monkey mind 24.01.13 14:29

The future is pretty predictable imho.

The McCanns have clearly been advised on the futility of a trial and that salvage is better done behind closed doors.

Money isn’t the issue for the McCanns, because it isn’t theirs.

What is going on is a face saving exercise.

Amaral won’t give them any.

It is unlikely a settlement will be reached.

A further trial date will be set.

On the eve of that trial they will cave completely because it is still better than going to trial otherwise they wouldn’t have been currently advised that now would they?

It’s just the inevitable delayed.
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Post by Eddie 24.01.13 14:29

tiny wrote:
ed1976 wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

Oh for goodness sake give it up, you are talking rubbish. Amaral will not have to pay anything if the McCanns are seeking a settlement, use your loaf. Just how much clarification do you need...........oh I know clarification.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say then don't!!!!

We will just have to wait to see who is talking rubbish.

ed1976,the village is looking for you.

I'm quite happy not to post anymore until there is more information. I think your excitement and celebrations are premature. The posters on the forum as a whole seem to make up their minds with only limited information and this would explain why so many of your conclusions are wrong. Just my opinion but I feel I will be proved correct. Bye for now.

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Post by Eddie 24.01.13 14:33

monkey mind wrote:The future is pretty predictable imho.

The McCanns have clearly been advised on the futility of a trial and that salvage is better done behind closed doors.

Money isn’t the issue for the McCanns, because it isn’t theirs.

What is going on is a face saving exercise.

Amaral won’t give them any.

It is unlikely a settlement will be reached.

A further trial date will be set.

On the eve of that trial they will cave completely because it is still better than going to trial otherwise they wouldn’t have been currently advised that now would they?

It’s just the inevitable delayed.





Now I make another post.

You agree with me. they will be asking Amaral for a settlement. you may be right, a settlement may not be reached, but if there is it may be confidential and we will all still be guessing. Main thing is Monkey Mind agrees with me that they will be asking Amaral for some concession.
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Post by Me 24.01.13 14:37

candyfloss wrote:
ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

Oh for goodness sake give it up, you are talking rubbish. Amaral will not have to pay anything if the McCanns are seeking a settlement, use your loaf. Just how much clarification do you need...........oh I know clarification.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say then don't!!!!

He just doesn't get it does he?

He's been given information, evidence based opinions and facts as to why he is wrong but he still refuses to believe it and worse he refuses to tell us WHY he thinks Amaral has backed down.

It's the archetypal McCann supporter mindset. They have their own pre coneived ideas and no matter how much evidence one presents they refuse to change their mind becuase they "ya know, know, in their heart of hearts that the McCann's couldn't possibly have done it".

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Post by rainbow-fairy 24.01.13 14:41

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candyfloss wrote:Err I don't think so ed, I have just looked at her timeline, I can't see it. There is one tweet but she was being wound up by pros and she is describing them. If you have the tweet in question post it otherwise don't spread misinformation!
I would suggest that is the sole purpose of Mr Ed’s presence here. His/her constant barrage of unsubstantiated one liners coupled with patent misdirection, misinformation or a complete failure to answer valid questions has done little but that, and served to bury any real discussion of the Blacksmith info at the begining of this 44 page thread. Of course it should be apparent that Ed isnt interested in expressing his opinion to us, he isn't interested in converting us, the guests are his target audience. Job done eh? It is for that purpose alone I will not enter into debate with him/her because quite simply, there isn’t any. And doesn’t Ed just know it.
With you there Monkey Mind. In fact if it were down to me ed1976 would be officially 'edding off by now - permanently.
If someone chooses to believe the MC's , then fine (daft but fine) as freedom of speech and debate is good - but trouble with dear ed is, there IS no debate. Just nonsensical posts. Waste of time the seconds of my life I give away reading them.

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Post by Guest 24.01.13 14:44

How does it work legally? Does a settlement have to be reached, or can the Mccanns simply "drop" the case? Would Amaral then have to sue them for costs and damages?
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Post by aiyoyo 24.01.13 14:56

jozi wrote:
Brilliant News but I hope Mr Amaral does not make a deal......taking it to court is the only way to get these two leeches off his back and show the world what this pair are like.....I would not trust them at all !!!
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Ouch.... stuck between a rock and a very hard place -- painful, but of their own doings!
They can neither withdraw or advance without ramifications.

Why did they not simply withdraw the case - would have been much simpler one would have thought. Maybe it is not as easy as that.
Doubtless, doing so would be viewed as having filed under bad faith, hence vexatious and malicious, but what might be the consequences of that?

Let's face it, one of the Amaral's terms must be to require them to issue public statements withdrawing their accusations, admitting their accusations were made out of malice. On top of that to issue a public apology in two countries media for all the slandering and libelous remarks they made against him in the media and in Kate's bewk. All the rest is secondary.

I cant see Amaral accepting anything less as he is in it to clear his name, vindication, and justice for him and his family. Refusing by mccanns to the fundamental terms will result in collapse of negotiation, I believe.

Amaral has nothing to lose, while the mccanns have everything to lose, every which way.

In fact I hope team Amaral includes as condition obliging Kate to include an explanatory addendum to the future publications of her paperback books listing rectifications they reached through negotiation (if it comes to that).
As it stood, her bewk contains libellous material about Amaral and the PJ, an addendum inclusion to right wrong should be in order so that readers will not be misled by the falsities in her bewk ie the collapse of their instigated libel case and what has transpired thereafter should be included for the readers.


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Post by jay2001 24.01.13 15:07

Still waiting for proof of Joana's tweet calling people c**** or have I missed it?
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Post by aiyoyo 24.01.13 15:10

ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Which bit don't you understand that the Portuguese Civil Code obliges them not to comment on an ongoing case (which the libel case is).
That had't stopped the mccanns and their spin machinery before, why now?
Any chance of an answer from you?

Their shameful action follows by crashing defeat is tough to swallow, let's face it. Deal with it!


Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

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Post by monkey mind 24.01.13 15:14

[quote="aiyoyo"]
jozi wrote:
Let's face it, one of the Amaral's terms must be to require them to issue public statements withdrawing their accusations, admitting their accusations were made out of malice. On top of that to issue a public apology in two countries media for all the slandering and libelous remarks they made against him in the media and in Kate's bewk. All the rest is secondary.

I cant see Amaral accepting anything less as he is in it to clear his name, vindication, and justice for him and his family. Refusing by mccanns to the fundamental terms will result in collapse of negotiation, I believe.

Amaral has nothing to lose, while the mccanns have everything to lose, every which way.



Agreed Aiyoyo. I wouldn't settle for anything less. He certainly isn't going to bind himself with any confidentiality agreement. To do so renders everything that has gone before fruitless from his point of view. For him, justice is working in silence, but ultimately it will be loud and clear.
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Post by aiyoyo 24.01.13 15:27

Me wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
ed1976 wrote:first I am very happy to se more coming into the public domain re the court case.

However.... Still no word from Amaral himself or the McCanns.

Still no confirmation that the McCanns have caved in and will give up all their claims and not make any demands on Amaral. I expect Amaral will still have to make some concessions to the Mcanns otherwise the court case will go ahead. we will see.

Oh for goodness sake give it up, you are talking rubbish. Amaral will not have to pay anything if the McCanns are seeking a settlement, use your loaf. Just how much clarification do you need...........oh I know clarification.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say then don't!!!!

He just doesn't get it does he?

He's been given information, evidence based opinions and facts as to why he is wrong but he still refuses to believe it and worse he refuses to tell us WHY he thinks Amaral has backed down.

It's the archetypal McCann supporter mindset. They have their own pre coneived ideas and no matter how much evidence one presents they refuse to change their mind becuase they "ya know, know, in their heart of hearts that the McCann's couldn't possibly have done it".

Chances are she is not a just a blind supporter, but from the camp, here to hijack this thread.
Her (yes despite the name) posts are typical of a delinquent throwing a grenade then fleeing with tail between legs to HQs to avoid answering questions.

It's good to see they are rattled, and continue to fear being exposed for the liars they are.

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Post by Guest 24.01.13 15:42

Are you assuming Ed is female as she insists on having the last word, Aiyoyo?!

No Jay2001, you haven't missed confirmation of what Joana M supposedly said. I too am waiting for that.
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Post by Woofer 24.01.13 16:37

I`m in agreement with aiyoyo - its good to see `ed` here, because it means they`re cornered and one of their colony has gone into cornered rat mode. She seems a bit dim as well because she actually thinks Monkey Mind agrees with her Blacksmith - Stating The McCann's Will Settle On Amaral's Terms ........PLUS NEW ***McCanns ask for extrajudicial settlement  by Joana Morais**TRIAL NOW SUSPENDED** - Page 16 82678
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jay2001 wrote:Still waiting for proof of Joana's tweet calling people c**** or have I missed it?

I`ve looked through all Joana`s tweets and there isn`t one as described by `ed`. Just another lie.
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It would appear word is getting out little by little. I'm pleasantly surprised Guido has provided a platform on his blog for the latest news to be debated. I wonder what [else] he's heard Blacksmith - Stating The McCann's Will Settle On Amaral's Terms ........PLUS NEW ***McCanns ask for extrajudicial settlement  by Joana Morais**TRIAL NOW SUSPENDED** - Page 16 82678
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ShuBob wrote:Back on topic Blacksmith - Stating The McCann's Will Settle On Amaral's Terms ........PLUS NEW ***McCanns ask for extrajudicial settlement  by Joana Morais**TRIAL NOW SUSPENDED** - Page 16 110921

It would appear word is getting out little by little. I'm pleasantly surprised Guido has provided a platform on his blog for the latest news to be debated. I wonder what [else] he's heard Blacksmith - Stating The McCann's Will Settle On Amaral's Terms ........PLUS NEW ***McCanns ask for extrajudicial settlement  by Joana Morais**TRIAL NOW SUSPENDED** - Page 16 82678

Yes, as I posted earlier Guido has many followers of his blog, and 92,000 + followers on twitter. This tweeted just.......



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Post by ShuBob 24.01.13 16:58

Perhaps, the Express will be forced into explaining why they carried the story. Things may be about to get interesting or I'm I being too optimistic Blacksmith - Stating The McCann's Will Settle On Amaral's Terms ........PLUS NEW ***McCanns ask for extrajudicial settlement  by Joana Morais**TRIAL NOW SUSPENDED** - Page 16 110921

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Post by Guest 24.01.13 16:59

Well Guido is often first with a story and then the press take it up. We shall see.
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Post by Hobs 24.01.13 17:29

One has to wonder what the mccann supporters will say when the truth comes out.

The mccanns imo and chums lied from the get go about what happened to Madeleine.

The mccanns imo from the get go were involved in her death and subsequent cover up (as indicated by the blood and cadaver dogs)

The mccanns imo used fraudulent means to obtain money and services ie donations, hotel and travel fees etc.

They committed perjury in the Leveson enquiry by denying the presence of bodily fluids when they announced publicly the fluids in fact came from rotting meat, dirty diapers and sweaty sandals.

2.46pm: Kate now talks about how "desperate" they were to find Madeleine and they had to endure headlines about a "corpse" in the car and "body fluids" in the car.

There were no body fluids in the car, but this was repeated so often, she said, it became fact.



Earlier interview with the media.

Host: Was there not DNA in the car, in the car that you hired?

Gerry: And we want to be absolutely clear about these things there are two aspects- We didn’t hire that car for 3 and half weeks until after Madeleine was taken, and the second aspect is there is no DNA match. Eh you know when you see the files there’s a mixed sample of DNA that comes from 5 people and obviously some of it matched Madeleine’s. But of course, all, of our DNA matches Madeleine’s
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They are vexatious litigants in that despite gerry saying people are entitled to their opinion, they will sue and threaten to sue anyone who actually has an opinion different to theirs in relation to Madeleine

The possibility the mccanns and chums did not in fact leave their children home alone but they were in fact altogeather in one apartment possibly supervised ( thus negating any possibility of an abduction) remember gerry's statement

Gerry McCann: Anybody with young children will understand that children cry; they wake up at night. During that week there was one night, errr… and we can't give too much detail because it's part of the investigation file but there was one night where Madeleine came through and one of the other, errr… twins were crying, so, you know, and when she did mention to it… it to us and we asked her about it and she just dropped… she was completely fine and we thought, 'Was it when they were bathing, getting them, you know, first putting them down in that period when they're really tired. Of course, with hindsight, in the… in the context of what had happened; of Madeleine being abducted, it's put in a very different light and it's put in a very different light to us and, of course, we emphasised that to the police.
Here you see a big problem or two.

Firstly there were no other twins.

Was gerry going to in fact say one of the other children before realising the oopsie and stopping himself mid sentence?

If there were other children who were they and where was everone sleeping?

Secondly we have a major open mouth insert foot moment (man i love statement analysis)

If Madeleine cried why didn't kate and gerry hear it?

If Madeleine and the twins were in the apartment along with kate and gerry then Madeleine would not have asked why didn't you come when we cried as the parents would have already been there bathing them etc.

Therefore:

Where were kate and gerry when Madeleine cried that they didn't hear her?

Were the children being bathed and put to bed by another adult in their apartment? if so where were kate and gerry and who was bathing them and putting them to bed?

If a child cries when being bathed, put to bed etc by someone else and the parent is there, parental instinct is to go see what is happening and to reassure the crying child.

If kate and gerry were in their own apartment, where were Madeleine and the twins being bathed and put to bed and who was doing the bedtime routine?

Why is it so important to the mccann's that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in 5a.

Is it because it is the only way a possibly abduction could have taken place?

It would not have been possible for an abductor to take Madeleine if she was in another apartment being babysat by one of the party (the sickness excuses etc).

Why was it so important they conceal a death if accidental?

Accidents do happen, they could have claimed all was well when they went to bed, the children were all sleeping and in the morning OMG, Madeleine is dead etc etc.

Was her death such that they could not allow an autopsy to take place at any cost? (the autopsy would have revealed sedation and over what period of time, signs of physical abuse, healing fractures etc or worse signs of sexual abuse either recent or old) Fractures in children tend to be greenstick ie not clean breaks rather a splintering of the bone and may possibly have been missed depening on site and severity, sexual abuse could never be explained away, it would point straight at gerry or those who had access to the children both family and friends and after the Drs Gaspar statements gerry and david payne.

The refusal of kate to answer those 48 questions despite demanding the PJ etc examine every fake sighting, the psychics etc and demanding the public contact LE with anything they think might help, a single tip could break the case open as long as you ignore the 48 tips kate hasand won't tell.

The refusal to do the reconstruction by getting their chums to set all kinds of demands making it impossible for it to take place (the mccanns were obliged to take part, they had no refusal options)

Statement analysis reveals deception on the part of the mccanns.

Kate telling us she knows Madeleine is dead. Who can forget the following statements?

Kate said: "It really isn't easy," coping. "Some days are better than others. ... There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a -- if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that."
The key word here is ALL.
If Madeleine was alive they wouldn't all be togeather.
She would have murdered the twins and made Madeleine an Orphan.
Madeleine dead and her knowing is the only logical conclusion from her statement.
It is also concerning that, if she feels cornered, she will kill the twins and herself and gerry - murder suicide, something often seen in custody battles and criminal cases (josh powell killing his wife Susan and then their sons and himself when he knew he would have to take a psychosexual exam in order to continue seeing his sons which he would fail and thus lose custody plus do jail time)


'Breaking down in tears, distraught Kate said of the Portuguese police: "They want me to lie - I'm being framed.

"Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."'
In the process of free editing ( the mouth speaks the words a microsecond after the brain thinks it) kate introduces the word MURDER.
The mccanns allege Madeleine was abducted and is therefore still alive (no evidence of serious harm etc)
She doesn't even say death which would allow for accident (passive action) she instead uses the word murder which is a positive action implying perhaps premeditation or the result of some other cause such as accidental death due to blow etc, hence the blood spray and the blood on the floor, walls and curtains)

Given all this overwhelming evidence, i would like to hear from any supporters of the mccanns politely and with reasoned well thought out points, why they believe Madeleine was abducted, why they believe the mccanns had no part in the cover up, why the mccanns have refused to co operate fully, why they believe it was appropriate for them mccanns to hire defence lawyers and spin doctors immediately and what evidence would they need to see in order to change their opinion of the innocence of the mccanns. I would also like to know if they perhaps think a member of the tapas 7 was involved and if so why they are being protected.

What i won't accept is things such as the PJ are lazy, racist,inept, because i think so, they are drs and could never harm their child, i would never do it so they couldn't wither, kate is too beautiful/gerry too handsome to be a killer, it's a conspiracy, they were set up etc.

What is acceptable is evidence pointing to an abductor, facts which prove they could not have done it, logical timelines with proof showing same not the back of the book please that makes no sense) proof of full cooperation, logical explanations for any evidence found.

Name calling, insults, threats and general silliness will result in your statement being analysed, corrected for grammar, spelling etc, critiqued , possibly used as an example on a statement analysis blog to educate and inform and then ignored.

For those pedantics who note my use of lowercase for the mccanns and their friends, I refuse to use a capital letter which to me notes respect for the name of those who are deceptive and are involved in crime.

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Post by ShuBob 24.01.13 17:34

Hobs wrote:

"One has to wonder what the mccann supporters will say when the truth comes out."

There will be radio silence and I suspect most of their forums deleted. That appears to be what happened when Kate Prout's husband finally admitted to killing her. Before that, his supporters were pretty vocal and like the McCanns' supporters, questioned the cadaver dog's evidence.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 24.01.13 17:59

Good post Hobs thumbsup

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Post by Inspectorfrost 24.01.13 18:00

ShuBob wrote:Hobs wrote:

"One has to wonder what the mccann supporters will say when the truth comes out."

e.

I don't know if this person on FB is a supporter or not, but it seems the leaks can't be plugged on this story.

Brian Murray I can't believe it what on earth is all this about??? READ ON...
about an hour ago

Brian Murray They were the ones who took him to court for defamation and asked to suspend the judgement in order to negotiate. On the eve of the trial of Gonçalo Amaral, against whom they filed a complaint, the McCanns asked to negotiate.

by Hernâni Carvalho

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about an hour ago

Brian Murray This can't be true surely!!!
about an hour ago


Edit. Can anyone see the FB page. I went back to look and there are no posts there.
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign
It's back.

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