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Post by PeterMac 17.01.13 16:07

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Agreed, that's why i haven't said this is gospel just yet.
What i have said is that his analysis purely of the case itself is the most insightful and revealing on the net.
I don't buy into this criticism of his overall work just because he had a pop at TB in a couple of posts.
That was my point.
It is certainly good and revealing. The question is whether everything he says is based on knowledge rather than hope.
Because it matters.
A little girl is missing.
No police force seems to be actively looking for her, or her remains, and the parents have clearly given up whatever it was they were doing.
The lawyers have taken over, which is never good.
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Post by Guest 17.01.13 16:58

PeterMac wrote:
Me wrote:
Agreed, that's why i haven't said this is gospel just yet.
What i have said is that his analysis purely of the case itself is the most insightful and revealing on the net.
I don't buy into this criticism of his overall work just because he had a pop at TB in a couple of posts.
That was my point.
It is certainly good and revealing. The question is whether everything he says is based on knowledge rather than hope.
Because it matters.
A little girl is missing.
No police force seems to be actively looking for her, or her remains, and the parents have clearly given up whatever it was they were doing.
The lawyers have taken over, which is never good.

the end-game?
or still wishful thinking?
I'm betting on BS here, whom I hold in high regard, always have.
just my humble opinion
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Post by Ange 17.01.13 17:18

I wasn't sure where to post this, but will do so here as it's the most current thread at the minute. Not sure if it's in order to copy and paste from Facebook, but I've just read a post circulating on there from Auntie Phil re asking people to send, as a chain letter, the fact that Madeleine is still missing and not believed to be in Portugal "anymore". Surprise surprise.
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Post by Me 17.01.13 17:21

PeterMac wrote:I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Peter, my irony detector appears to be on the blink today.

It's not about him pointing us in the right direction. What i was alluding to was that his analysis of the case, the libel trial and the book were in my opinion unmatched by what was written on the forums.

That's not fawning, sycophantic or aimless following of him its my observation based on reading all his posts and also spending a lot of time on the forums.

I gave examples to the other poster about the areas BS covered in detail which provided hugely insightful, peircing logic and reasoning which i did not see to the same level on the forums.

In relation to whether it is fact or not i believe that he had/has contact either with Amaral or his team in the past and i would suggest he has received information from them about this before he put finger to keyboard.

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Post by Tony Bennett 17.01.13 17:28

Me wrote:
PeterMac wrote:I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Peter, my irony detector appears to be on the blink today.

It's not about him pointing us in the right direction. What i was alluding to was that his analysis of the case, the libel trial and the book were in my opinion unmatched by what was written on the forums.

That's not fawning, sycophantic or aimless following of him its my observation based on reading all his posts and also spending a lot of time on the forums.

I gave exmaples to the other poster about the areas BS covered in detail which provided hugely insightful, peircing logic and reasoning which i did not see to the same level on the forums.

In relation to whether it is fact or not i beleive that he had/has contacts either with Amaral or his team in the past and i would suggest he has received information from them about this before he put finger to keyboard.
'Me' has been very fulsome in his extravagant praise of 'blacksmith' = Antony Sharples.

He appears almost to understand 'blacksmith' better than 'blacksmith' himself.

Wouldn't it be interesting if 'Me' turned out, in truth, to be...

...'blacksmith' himself!

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Me 17.01.13 17:39

Tony Bennett wrote:
Me wrote:
PeterMac wrote:I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Peter, my irony detector appears to be on the blink today.

It's not about him pointing us in the right direction. What i was alluding to was that his analysis of the case, the libel trial and the book were in my opinion unmatched by what was written on the forums.

That's not fawning, sycophantic or aimless following of him its my observation based on reading all his posts and also spending a lot of time on the forums.

I gave exmaples to the other poster about the areas BS covered in detail which provided hugely insightful, peircing logic and reasoning which i did not see to the same level on the forums.

In relation to whether it is fact or not i beleive that he had/has contacts either with Amaral or his team in the past and i would suggest he has received information from them about this before he put finger to keyboard.
'Me' has been very fulsome in his extravagant praise of 'blacksmith' = Antony Sharples.

He appears almost to understand 'blacksmith' better than 'blacksmith' himself.

Wouldn't it be interesting if 'Me' turned out, in truth, to be...

...'blacksmith' himself!

**SIGHS**

Yes Tony, that's what it will be, I am BS.

I'd ask you to contact Candyfloss as i have revealed my real name to her in PM's before. And no i'm not but feel free to ask her.

When have i claimed to know BS better than he has?

What do you term "extravagent" praise?

All i have said is that his detailed, FACTUAL, analysis of the case is superior to what i have found on the forums and i appreciate reading it.

I listed examples for another poster of particular areas of the case where his work excelled.

Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet over his posts about you.

That's between you and him and i would suggest you need to get over it.

What i'm saying is that his posts about you do not detract from the body of his work where he examines the facts of the case.

I'd respectfully suggest that you could have helped your work on the case by studying some of this work.

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Post by bristow 17.01.13 18:04

tiny wrote:Update from blacksmith. http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.com/

Best to copy it in case it goes.

Libel Diary - Early Evening January 17
John Blacksmith writes: I don't have any special secret sources and, as I have posted here previously, I have had no information from within Amaral's group since 2010. As far as I know GA has been in Lisbon working on the libel case and declining to comment since last spring.

The only information I ever get hold of is connected with the use of the term "we" in the Blacksmith Bureau. Everyone who is interested knows who I am since I posted my full name and location on the old 3As forum in 2008. Bureau contributions, however, don't derive from me or belong to me alone: the Bureau exists as a centre for messages and opinions about the case from a number of what we might call the "sane critics" of the parents, people who have done a great deal more investigation than I have and have dedicated much of their lives to the case in a way which puts me to shame.

We know about the negotiations which, we repeat, are known to all UK national editors. Anyone who knows the McCanns' modus operandi, either through watching the Leveson hearings or studying Duarte's briefing note for the Portuguese media after the Wikileaks episode, should know how they prepare the way for their media spin initiatives by confidential contact with editors so that there will be a spurious unanimity of view. That is what is taking place now.

The purpose of pre-empting their spin plan is not to build ourselves up but to remind all our readers of the secret, and disgraceful, way in which the media have supped with a very short spoon with the McCanns for six years, a subject which we have taken up with them on occasion, most recently with the editor of the Daily Mail, although we got little change from him. One of the reasons that the story is dragging on and leaking is that it is not just the McCanns who stand to lose but all the newspapers and a number of individuals that defamed Amaral so grossly while helping the McCanns keep Amaral's claims away from the British public. In helping the McCanns now they are attempting to help themselves as well.

And we want them all to fail, the lying, dishonest, greedy bastards. That's the axe we have to grind. Listening Kier? Listening Clarence?
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Post by tiny 17.01.13 18:13

Thanks bristow
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Post by Olive_Boyle 17.01.13 18:36

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That is why he hasn't been Carter Rucked.


I couldn't agree more and says it all for me.

He is thoughtful, intelligent, interesting and most of all very clever to have been able to say what he has and kept out of CR's sights.

I thoroughly enjoy reading his posts.

I think there is a tendency by some to over analyse and pick at ever small detail turning it into something that it isn't.
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Post by PeterMac 17.01.13 18:36

I just hope it is correct !
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Post by Ashwarya 17.01.13 19:13

My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.
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Post by Inspectorfrost 17.01.13 19:30

Ashwarya wrote:My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.

Which is exactly what KM wanted, see text in bold.

That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/libel-diary-4-differing-futures.html?m=1

Whilst forgiving the person who stole Madeleine, as she told Aled Jones in some BBC Christian programme interview!!!
:wtf2:

Such Chrisitan forgiveness on the one hand to the perpetrator of the heinous crime and such vindictiveness on the other.


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My mistake, she PRAYS for the abductor, has not forgiven them, not until she knows why they took Madeleine




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Post by happychick 17.01.13 20:02

Inspectorfrost wrote:
Ashwarya wrote:My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.

Which is exactly what KM wanted, see text in bold.

That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/libel-diary-4-differing-futures.html?m=1


My God, she's an evil witch. I really do hope that Amaral will get her into court.

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Post by Inspectorfrost 17.01.13 20:36

happychick wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:
Ashwarya wrote:My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.

Which is exactly what KM wanted, see text in bold.

That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/libel-diary-4-differing-futures.html?m=1


My God, she's an evil witch. I really do hope that Amaral will get her into court.

Im afraid I tend to agree with Blacksmiths portrayal of her and her and her husbands actions over the years not forgetting the slimey toads who supported them. And it doesnt matter who gets her or Gerry or any of the others into court, if it ever happens, it will be bigger than the OJ Simpson trial. Now theres an idea.

BS has gone for the jugular in his latest blogs, but I am not surprised at all, because its a logical and truthful flow IMO.

I have yet to see any semblance of integrity or beleivability with that couple. Whats the opposite of integrity? Thats how they seem to me.

Whoever asked if BS was Coldwater, must have been absolutely joking. Only because, at the very least, BS 's posts have worn the test of time, based on solid facts and proven the lies and deceptions that have been scattered by the Mccann machine to the hoi polloi. Coldwater was not right about a single thing and was just a cowardly despicable little wum, probably could be charged with the perversion of the course of justice.

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Post by margaret 17.01.13 21:02

Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.
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Post by monkey mind 17.01.13 21:09

candyfloss wrote:Well, this is what Isabel Duarte said on Panorama The Last Hope.............



Isabel Duarte, the civil lawyer in Portugal who acts for the McCann family in their libel action against Amaral, says it's not a popular fight.

“I feel alone because I don’t feel support, not in public opinion. I have friends that don’t want to talk to me about the case because everyone believes in Goncalo Amaral. Everyone believes that I am defending a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the corpse.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html



She didn't sound too optimistic did she.

Oh dear!!

Oh my!!

Wonder what the McCanns thought when they were sat on the sofa whatching that? Their own esteemed lawyer saying everybody – her friends included thought they had killed their daughter and disposed of her corpse.

No mention of an accident. No Sir.

Didn’t even say ‘accidentally killed’. No Ma’am. Rather “...a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the body”.

Bam! One minute sat on the sofa the next on the floor.

Now I wonder if we slotted that little scenario into the ‘guilt, shame, remorse” thread, wonder if that might make sense of it all....?
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Post by Inspectorfrost 17.01.13 21:15

margaret wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.

BS is right, she is off her trolley. Mr Amaral was the coordinator of a huge investigation involving hundreds of police officers, he didnt treat Madeleine in any other way as a child to be found and what her fate was. He was doing his job and the mccanns crucified him for doing so,now, I wonder what that could mean?

He wasnt the only person in this grisly case to be targetted for doing their job or just standing around as a witness. Cough. Its amazing really how many people have been targetted by the so called Team Mccann.
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Post by margaret 17.01.13 21:19

Inspectorfrost wrote:
margaret wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.

BS is right, she is off her trolley. Mr Amaral was the coordinator of a huge investigation involving hundreds of police officers, he didnt treat Madeleine in any other way as a child to be found and what her fate was. He was doing his job and the mccanns crucified him for doing so,now, I wonder what that could mean?

He wasnt the only person in this grisly case to be targetted for doing their job or just standing around as a witness. Cough. Its amazing really how many people have been targetted by the so called Team Mccann.

Too true. Lets hope for the beginning of the end
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Post by roy rovers 17.01.13 22:51

margaret wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:
margaret wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.

BS is right, she is off her trolley. Mr Amaral was the coordinator of a huge investigation involving hundreds of police officers, he didnt treat Madeleine in any other way as a child to be found and what her fate was. He was doing his job and the mccanns crucified him for doing so,now, I wonder what that could mean?

He wasnt the only person in this grisly case to be targetted for doing their job or just standing around as a witness. Cough. Its amazing really how many people have been targetted by the so called Team Mccann.

Too true. Lets hope for the beginning of the end

Yes this does have an El Alamein feeling about it. As Churchill famously put it at his Mansion House speech:

'The late M. Venizelos observed that in all her wars England -- he should have said Britain, of course -- always wins one battle -- the last. It would seem to have begun rather earlier this time. General Alexander, with his brilliant comrade and lieutenant, General Montgomery, has gained a glorious and decisive victory in what I think should be called the battle of Egypt. Rommel's army has been defeated. It has been routed. It has been very largely destroyed as a fighting force.

This battle was not fought for the sake of gaining positions or so many square miles of desert territory. General Alexander and General Montgomery fought it with one single idea. they meant to destroy the armed force of the enemy and to destroy it at the place where the disaster would be most far-reaching and irrecoverable....

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.'
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Post by Eddie 18.01.13 12:40

I think BS is going to lose all credibility here. I just can't see the McCanns settling with Amaral.We hopefully willl find out soon as the libel trial cannot be far away.
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Post by Guest 18.01.13 13:43

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Friday, 18 January 2013







Libel Diary January 17, evening





Goncalo Amaral statement on May 18 2009.


"I can say that we are going to sue the McCanns and others that, for the moment, I am not saying who they are, because we have a team of lawyers who are studying the case because we feel defamed and slandered, and we will move forward."

Goncalo Amaral interview with Algarve 123 December 8 2011.

“I have my anger well-guarded. No feelings for revenge. Like I say, they will pay for what they have done to me and my family – but through the courts. Even after everything that has happened, I still have faith in the Portuguese justice system”.




The Mirror,February 12 2012

Revealed: How shamed cop made a fortune spouting lies about Madeleine McCann's parents.


The Portuguese detective who was thrown off the Madeleine McCann case in disgrace has made a fortune spouting lies about the missing girl’s parents.

During his stint heading the inquiry, the Sunday Mirror caught him enjoying regular boozy ­lunches, one of which lasted more than three hours.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/goncalo-amaral-made-a-fortune-spouting-681722






ECU Ruling: East Midlands Today, BBC1 (East Midlands), 12 January 2011


Complaint
The programme included a brief exchange between a reporter and Gonçalo Amaral (a former policeman who had worked on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and had since written a book on the case). One word in the exchange was bleeped, and the report gave the impression that this was because Sr Amaral had used offensive language about the MrCanns. A viewer complained that this was inaccurate and unfair to Sr Amaral.

Outcome
The reporter's belief, reinforced by others on the programme team who viewed the recording, was that Sr Amaral had indeed used an English phrase which included an offensive term applied to the McCanns. On further examination, however, it became clear that Sr Amaral had been speaking Portuguese, and that an inoffensive phrase had been misconstrued. Upheld






The Mail, January 15 2010. By-lined David Jones

"During the first few weeks after Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Goncalo Amaral came to symbolise all that was wrong with the abysmally mishandled Portuguese police investigation into the case. A portly provincial CID chief who was plainly out of his depth and had a penchant for long, wine-fuelled lunches and leaking favourable stories about himself to the Press, he was removed as head of the investigation after six months." Article continues. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243596/Shes-terrifyingly-hes-boiling-rage-So-HAVE-McCanns-trial.html
Article ends "Even if this is only a remote possibility, surely it should be explored - but not by a flashy detective who is so cocksure he knows all the answers he can't see beyond his own giant ego."






The Mirror 16/1/2010 Tony Parsons

IF, as has been suggested in Portugal, there was a "media circus" around the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, then it is the Portuguese police who are the clowns.
Cruel, stupid, spiteful clowns.
You would never guess it but Kate and Gerry McCann are not actually on trial in Lisbon.
Madeleine's parents have brought legal action against detective Goncalo Amaral, who they accuse of libelling them in his book, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.
But the Portuguese plods have used the libel case to declare open season on the McCanns. One former policeman, Francisco Moita Flores, told the court that only the "distraction" of the "media circus" prevented the McCanns from being charged with negligence.
"No one believed it was an abduction," he told the court. "It was a fairytale, a fable."
But if Madeleine was not abducted, then what happened?
The Portuguese police were shown up as a bunch of clueless amateurs by the Madeleine case, and - shamed, embarrassed, infuriated - they turned their rage on the McCanns.
Even now, the Portuguese cops treat Kate and Gerry McCann with a grotesque lack of respect.
Asked if he cared that he had hurt the McCanns, Goncalo Amaral told a BBC reporter: "No, f the McCanns ."
A class act, that fat copper, who has sought to make money out of a stolen child - and the endless grief of her parents.
And what a shock to see the faces of Kate and Gerry McCann back in our newspapers.
The indelible pain is stamped on their faces for ever.
The greatest tragedy is, of course, that a little girl was stolen from her family.
But it is also genuinely tragic that the Portuguese police did not seriously look for the bastard who stole her.
And that's because they have always been far too busy slandering that little girl's parents.


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Sleep well everybody, especially you Tony P.




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Post by aiyoyo 18.01.13 15:01

Oh dear and I thought the show is nearly over. It hasn't even started.........
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Post by Eddie 18.01.13 15:22

A very interesting month ahead with GA'S libel trial and Tony's hearing and a libel trial almost certain to follow. Tony has surely broken the undertaking that he gave and the judge seems to have ruled that the only way to determine punishment is via a libel trial.
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Post by aiyoyo 18.01.13 15:41

When it comes to that ...a full blown libel trial, the Mccanns will bow out.

They can't afford to be in front of Court and be crossed examined under Oath, they will stand absolutely no chance whatsoever.
Especially since their case against Amaral has collapsed (or soon to be). That will be taken into consideration by the Court.
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Post by marxman 18.01.13 19:12

Spudgun has it posted on Twitter,

Mike Spudgun@spudgun01

#McCanns LIBEL case SUSPENDED "because the parties are seeking an out of Court agreement." http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/julgamento-maddie-goncalo-amaral-mccann--algarve-desaparecimento/1411299-4071.html
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Post by tiny 18.01.13 19:17

ed1976 wrote:A very interesting month ahead with GA'S libel trial and Tony's hearing and a libel trial almost certain to follow. Tony has surely broken the undertaking that he gave and the judge seems to have ruled that the only way to determine punishment is via a libel trial.
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looks like you got the first one wrong,now we wait for them to drop the case agaist Tony
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Post by Inspectorfrost 18.01.13 19:24

aiyoyo wrote:
Especially since their case against Amaral has collapsed (or soon to be).


It was dead in the water from the second their ridiculous writ was issued.

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