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ed1976 wrote:bristow wrote:I have a very uncomfortable feeling that Snr Amaral is ill, for a long time now I have wondered about his health, he looks unfit, very unwell plus he had a stomach examination under anaesthesia.
I truly hope that it isn't the case and that he isn't giving in because of illness and feeling totally ruined and defeated.
Perhaps this is why he is being given six months. Six months seems along time to sort out an agreement, but if one party was ill...
You took the words right out of my mouth Ed, I hope to god this is not the case but I'm not so sure.
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If the pic the other day taken at his old school he does look unwell, but after more than 5 years of hell am not surprised. But I think the previous hearing was delayed because his lawyer was unwell.
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@T********** Hi Teddy, no matter what the McCann propaganda machine (aka Clarence Mitchell/Lift Consulting in PT) spits, they lost it
@T********** Hi Teddy, no matter what the McCann propaganda machine (aka Clarence Mitchell/Lift Consulting in PT) spits, they lost it
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Six months is not at all long for settling an agreement of this nature, particularly when it involves two legal systems imo.ed1976 wrote:
Perhaps this is why he is being given six months. Six months seems along time to sort out an agreement, but if one party was ill...
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Ribisl wrote:Six months is not at all long for settling an agreement of this nature, particularly when it involves two legal systems imo.ed1976 wrote:
Perhaps this is why he is being given six months. Six months seems along time to sort out an agreement, but if one party was ill...
It only involves one legal system...portuguese
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Are there any links to the stories in todays mail and Mirror? (I have tried searching without much success).
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Bob Southgate wrote:Are there any links to the stories in todays mail and Mirror? (I have tried searching without much success).
If you go on to the Daily Mail online and scroll down a short way the story is there about the money from her novel - literally was just reading some viewer comments.
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Thanks jean. So no stories, as yet, about the adjourning of the case against GA to allow negotiation have appeared in the UK press?
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candyfloss wrote:Joana Morais@xklamation
@T********** Hi Teddy, no matter what the McCann propaganda machine (aka Clarence Mitchell/Lift Consulting in PT) spits, they lost it
Precise and to the point. Much of everything else is extraneous. It was a foregone conclusion two years ago plus that their case was dead in the water.
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ed1976, polite request - please do not snip parts of my posts and use them to snidely bash Goncalo Amaral or Tony Bennett. TIA :)
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parapono wrote:It's six months more.
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the McCanns are buying time, they have the 'Fund'.
Not much left, probably not enough to cover legal cost.
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The only way I can see GA settling would be if he was unwell, and I pray that is not the case.
The last time they appeared in Court in Portugal, they received a very frosty reception. Bizarrely they succeeded in that attempt to get GA's book banned. However, the fall out from the trial was devastating for them and Gerry had an urgent flight to catch, leaving Kate to face the media.
A full trial, either here or in Portugal would cover areas of this case that the British public are unaware of.
I'm a layperson too Aiyoyo, but spent many years as a legal secretary. I'm not sure either party could or would agree to keep the settlement under wraps. The temptation to leak, would be unbearable. Particularly if one of those parties pays shills to enhance their reputation.
Sorry, I dont get your point. What has Amaral's health condition got anything to with it?
Do you mean he might not like Mccann's idea of settling out of court, rather go to trial, and that his health might not withstand the waiting time?
Or are you saying he would not have agreed to settle out of court had he not been ill?
You are missing the point perhaps? He did not ask for the suspension of trial, the Mccanns did.
This was sprung (suddenly?) on him so to speak, and depending when his team received indication the Mccanns was going to cave in, his team would certainly need some time to work out their terms for settlement.
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aiyoyo wrote:Cristobell wrote:
The only way I can see GA settling would be if he was unwell, and I pray that is not the case.
The last time they appeared in Court in Portugal, they received a very frosty reception. Bizarrely they succeeded in that attempt to get GA's book banned. However, the fall out from the trial was devastating for them and Gerry had an urgent flight to catch, leaving Kate to face the media.
A full trial, either here or in Portugal would cover areas of this case that the British public are unaware of.
I'm a layperson too Aiyoyo, but spent many years as a legal secretary. I'm not sure either party could or would agree to keep the settlement under wraps. The temptation to leak, would be unbearable. Particularly if one of those parties pays shills to enhance their reputation.
Sorry, I dont get your point. What has Amaral's health condition got anything to with it?
Do you mean he might not like Mccann's idea of settling out of court, rather go to trial, and that his health might not withstand the waiting time?
Or are you saying he would not have agreed to settle out of court had he not been ill?
You are missing the point perhaps? He did not ask for the suspension of trial, the Mccanns did.
This was sprung (suddenly?) on him so to speak, and depending when his team received indication the Mccanns was going to cave in, his team would certainly need some time to work out their terms for settlement.
Is it confirmed that the McCanns asked for the trial to be suspended?
As for GA possibly being unwell. I have been through years of litigation and a trial Aiyoyo, it is exhausting and stressful. We know from the press release that GA had stomach surgery that meant the last hearing had to be postponed. I pray that he is not ill, but empathise with him, if he is.
I still cannot imagine GA settling on McCann terms. He has come too far, and I imagine that he would want his day in Court. Unfortunately, we are all in the dark at the moment.
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aiyoyo wrote:Cristobell wrote:
The only way I can see GA settling would be if he was unwell, and I pray that is not the case.
The last time they appeared in Court in Portugal, they received a very frosty reception. Bizarrely they succeeded in that attempt to get GA's book banned. However, the fall out from the trial was devastating for them and Gerry had an urgent flight to catch, leaving Kate to face the media.
A full trial, either here or in Portugal would cover areas of this case that the British public are unaware of.
I'm a layperson too Aiyoyo, but spent many years as a legal secretary. I'm not sure either party could or would agree to keep the settlement under wraps. The temptation to leak, would be unbearable. Particularly if one of those parties pays shills to enhance their reputation.
Sorry, I dont get your point. What has Amaral's health condition got anything to with it?
Do you mean he might not like Mccann's idea of settling out of court, rather go to trial, and that his health might not withstand the waiting time?
Or are you saying he would not have agreed to settle out of court had he not been ill?
You are missing the point perhaps? He did not ask for the suspension of trial, the Mccanns did.
This was sprung (suddenly?) on him so to speak, and depending when his team received indication the Mccanns was going to cave in, his team would certainly need some time to work out their terms for settlement.
You seem to be speaking as a certainty that the McCanns have "caved in". Do you have some information that the we have not heard or is this just your opinion?
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@ Cristobel
quote We know from the press release that GA had stomach surgery that meant the last hearing had to be postponed.unquote
No, that was his lawyer, who couldn't make to court that day/period.
quote We know from the press release that GA had stomach surgery that meant the last hearing had to be postponed.unquote
No, that was his lawyer, who couldn't make to court that day/period.
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ed1976 wrote:You seem to be speaking as a certainty that the McCanns have "caved in". Do you have some information that the we have not heard or is this just your opinion?
The only reports announcing this abandonment of proceedings both from BS in the UK and from Portugese sources including Morais all state that the McCann's have caved in.
If you look at the facts leading up to this trial including the McCann's previous form and Kate's intentions in the book all lead to the conclusion that the abandonment of proceeidngs at this stage must be because the McCann's have caved in.
Conversely, despite the Team's media juggernaut, there has not been one story in the UK about the abandonment and certainly not one peep about Amaral caving. If it was Amaral who had caved why wouldn't the media be shouting it from the rooftops?
So despite their being no logical reason for the McCann's to cave in if they stood a chance of winnning, no evidence from any source in Portugal and not a peep from their media mouthpiece that Amaral has caved in the real question is why you believe, and what are you basing your opinion on, that it is Amaral who has caved in?
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Me wrote:ed1976 wrote:You seem to be speaking as a certainty that the McCanns have "caved in". Do you have some information that the we have not heard or is this just your opinion?
The only reports announcing this abandonment of proceedings both from BS in the UK and from Portugese sources including Morais all state that the McCann's have caved in.
If you look at the facts leading up to this trial including the McCann's previous form and Kate's intentions in the book all lead to the conclusion that the abandonment of proceeidngs at this stage must be because the McCann's have caved in.
Conversely, despite the Team's media juggernaut, there has not been one story in the UK about the abandonment and certainly not one peep about Amaral caving. If it was Amaral who had caved why wouldn't the media be shouting it from the rooftops?
So despite their being no logical reason for the McCann's to cave in if they stood a chance of winnning, no evidence from any source in Portugal and not a peep from their media mouthpiece that Amaral has caved in the real question is why you believe, and what are you basing your opinion on, that it is Amaral who has caved in?
So it would appear that it is just an opinion based on one press release that doesn't indicate that any side has caved in.
There is an interesting post on the MM forum by Claudia 79, a poster who I understand has direct communication with Amaral. She shares my view, re that even if the McCanns won the libel case they would not be able to recover their costs from Amaral and she also talks of Amaral paying compensation to the McCanns under the agreement. Why is Amaral not shouting from the rooftops if the MCcANNS have caved in. The answer is quite obvious.I'm surprised you have not worked it out. Both parties have agreed not to say anything whilst negotiations are in placeIMO.
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ed1976 wrote:Me wrote:ed1976 wrote:You seem to be speaking as a certainty that the McCanns have "caved in". Do you have some information that the we have not heard or is this just your opinion?
The only reports announcing this abandonment of proceedings both from BS in the UK and from Portugese sources including Morais all state that the McCann's have caved in.
If you look at the facts leading up to this trial including the McCann's previous form and Kate's intentions in the book all lead to the conclusion that the abandonment of proceeidngs at this stage must be because the McCann's have caved in.
Conversely, despite the Team's media juggernaut, there has not been one story in the UK about the abandonment and certainly not one peep about Amaral caving. If it was Amaral who had caved why wouldn't the media be shouting it from the rooftops?
So despite their being no logical reason for the McCann's to cave in if they stood a chance of winnning, no evidence from any source in Portugal and not a peep from their media mouthpiece that Amaral has caved in the real question is why you believe, and what are you basing your opinion on, that it is Amaral who has caved in?
So it would appear that it is just an opinion based on one press release that doesn't indicate that any side has caved in.
There is an interesting post on the MM forum by Claudia 79, a poster who I understand has direct communication with Amaral. She shares my view, re that even if the McCanns won the libel case they would not be able to recover their costs from Amaral and she also talks of Amaral paying compensation to the McCanns under the agreement. Why is Amaral not shouting from the rooftops if the MCcANNS have caved in. The answer is quite obvious.I'm surprised you have not worked it out. Both parties have agreed not to say anything whilst negotiations are in placeIMO.
Absolute rubbish, Claudia 79 says no such thing, if this is the line you are referring to she was joking - note the emoticon that give you a hint!!!!.....
[claudia79 wrote on MM]
ETA: they might now try to get some. if I were GA I'd given them 5 Euros and tell them it's to pay for Aragão's contribution!
Spinning it again ed
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It's about the money, Carolina. They must have finally understood that even if they won (and the chances weren't great especially because of the acordão re the book banning) the money would probably not be enough to pay for their expenses. This case only got this far because they always thought GA would eventually back down because I'm sure Isabel Duarte must have told them about the ridiculous compensations around here...
ETA: they might now try to get some. if I were GA I'd given them 5 Euros and tell them it's to pay for Aragão's contribution!
this is the whole post where Claudia explains why the McCAnns may not want to go to trial....they would not get enough to cover their expenses even if they won.
I don't think Claudia is joking when she says that the McCannns may still want compensation.
ETA: they might now try to get some. if I were GA I'd given them 5 Euros and tell them it's to pay for Aragão's contribution!
this is the whole post where Claudia explains why the McCAnns may not want to go to trial....they would not get enough to cover their expenses even if they won.
I don't think Claudia is joking when she says that the McCannns may still want compensation.
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The only reports announcing this abandonment of proceedings both from BS in the UK and from Portugese sources including Morais all state that the McCann's have caved in.
can you guide me to these reports that STATE that the McCanns have caved in.
I think you are dreaming.
The only reports announcing this abandonment of proceedings both from BS in the UK and from Portugese sources including Morais all state that the McCann's have caved in.
can you guide me to these reports that STATE that the McCanns have caved in.
I think you are dreaming.
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ed1976 wrote:It's about the money, Carolina. They must have finally understood that even if they won (and the chances weren't great especially because of the acordão re the book banning) the money would probably not be enough to pay for their expenses. This case only got this far because they always thought GA would eventually back down because I'm sure Isabel Duarte must have told them about the ridiculous compensations around here...
ETA: they might now try to get some. if I were GA I'd given them 5 Euros and tell them it's to pay for Aragão's contribution!
this is the whole post where Claudia explains why the McCAnns may not want to go to trial....they would not get enough to cover their expenses even if they won.
I don't think Claudia is joking when she says that the McCannns may still want compensation.
Trying to spin Claudia's answer to fit in with your opinion is grasping at straws. The last line was a joke, how can they claim compensation if they have backed out, it would be the other way, and if Mr Amaral had backed out why would he pay them compensation, he would probably pay less if he went to trial and lost...he really has nothing to lose. Claudia was being sarcastic.
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ed1976 wrote:So it would appear that it is just an opinion based on one press release that doesn't indicate that any side has caved in.
There is an interesting post on the MM forum by Claudia 79, a poster who I understand has direct communication with Amaral. She shares my view, re that even if the McCanns won the libel case they would not be able to recover their costs from Amaral and she also talks of Amaral paying compensation to the McCanns under the agreement. Why is Amaral not shouting from the rooftops if the MCcANNS have caved in. The answer is quite obvious.I'm surprised you have not worked it out. Both parties have agreed not to say anything whilst negotiations are in placeIMO.
No the Blacksmith Bureau broke the story of the abandonment and confirmed the McCann's had caved in. Joana Morais in Portugal confirmed the same thing. There is not one report anywhere that states Amaral had caved in.
I come back to my question which you have ignored.
What report and source are you relying on that makes you believe it is Amaral has caved?
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It's a pity that new members aren't being accepted on the MM site (does anyone know why?) as I would love to see Ed in "conversation" with Claudia!
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Another question for you.
Why would the McCann's pull out because of Amaral's lack of money now a week or two before the trial starts? Why now?
His financial position and the freeze of his assets is the same now as it was when they launched the action.
They knew his finances when they started their action so if they didn't think he'd have enough money to pay their costs if they won why launch the action in the first place?
Why would the McCann's pull out because of Amaral's lack of money now a week or two before the trial starts? Why now?
His financial position and the freeze of his assets is the same now as it was when they launched the action.
They knew his finances when they started their action so if they didn't think he'd have enough money to pay their costs if they won why launch the action in the first place?
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Trying to spin Claudia's answer to fit in with your opinion is grasping at straws. The last line was a joke, how can they claim compensation if they have backed out, it would be the other way, and if Mr Amaral had backed out why would he pay them compensation, he would probably pay less if he went to trial and lost...he really has nothing to lose. Claudia was being sarcastic.
they haven't backed out, they reserve the right to resume proceedings,......they want a settlement from Amaral otherwise proceedings will recommence in 6 months IMO
they haven't backed out, they reserve the right to resume proceedings,......they want a settlement from Amaral otherwise proceedings will recommence in 6 months IMO
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If the mccanns havent back out ,why is it not splashed all over the papers instead of this so called sighting,i think you are grasping at straws
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Me wrote:Another question for you.
Why would the McCann's pull out because of Amaral's lack of money now a week or two before the trial starts? Why now?
His financial position and the freeze of his assets is the same now as it was when they launched the action.
They knew his finances when they started their action so if they didn't think he'd have enough money to pay their costs if they won why launch the action in the first place?
You are wrong again. when did this action start. when the book was selling welll, Amaral driving around in his jaguar, appearing on talk shows denigrating the McCannns.
Everyrhing has changed. How many copies of the book were sold last month. amaral is now strangely silent. Haven't you noticed.
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