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Article from 24horus newspaper - 9.3.2010

"I continue to go twice a day to Madeleine´s room.

Gerry and Kate spent yesterday the day in Lisbon.

"Madeleine´s room is the same. Very pink".

Everyday, Kate McCann enters at her daughter´s room and stay there to get the hundreds of gifts that came up during almost three years for the missing girl or just to remind the child. "The room is the same, did not change much, still very pink", told us Madeleine´s mother to 24horas, in a short visit yesterday at Lisbon, to meet with the Portuguese lawyers representing the couple. "I continue to go twice a day at Madeleine´s room. I feel comfortable there inside. It is a sensation of comfort, that is, not pain. And hope also." HOPE, this is the motto of Kate and Gerry McCann. who don´t give up of looking for their daughter, despite of not having stil a reliable lead about the child´s disappearance, on May 3, 2007, at Praia da Luz, Algarve. "We can only hope. There are several cases, some of them even recently, of missing children who are found, and that makles us believe that our daughter coul stil be alive, that is why we continue to have hope", Gerry told, always with his hand on his hand´s wife, showing two colourful wristbands (one green, other yelow) in his right hand, symbolizes, precisely, the hope and the will of not giving up.

Beware with new evidences:

Madeleine´s parents was in Portugal in the week that has mentioned about a strong lead that was not investigated by Portuguese authorities, a photo taken at New Zealand, in which a girl much resembling Madeleine, was seen. This lead, which proved itself without any fundament, was released by a British paper, an attitude which caused disturbance to the couple. This is one of the concerns of Kate and Gerry at the moment. "The British newspapers had access to the information given by a Portuguese procurator which can be dangerous. For example, if there is a lead that is in the proces, which was not investigated by the authorities, which could be important, if that lead was released by the newspapers, it can make that the abductors flee, or even worse then that...",. regretted the British child´s father. "I make an appeal to all newspapers, to not release informations that can be investigated if they were not public", requested Isabel Duarte, the couple´s lawyer. Some of the British newspapers has in their possession al the process, with more then 2000 pages, which are now analysing all leads that were not investigated. "If that was released. it can be also bad for our private investigators, and could even jeopardize their work", explained Gerry.

Isabel Duarte talks of the danger of release new leads from the process:

"Innocent lives could be at risk", warns the couple´s lawyer:

The Portuguese lawyer representing the couple, Isabel Duarte, is very worried about the way the British newspapers had released the lines of the investigation which were not followed by PJ, which are in the process, "mostly sightings", like the lawyer told. Isabel Duarte criticizes, mainly, the way this information was disclosed by the British press. "If the information was not preserved, if it was launched without care, innocent lives could be at steak, even the girl´s life herself". Beyond sigtings, are part of the process, "several countless leads", which were not followed by PJ. "These are also appointments of investigation from foreign police forces, such as Spanish, French or Italian. The Leicester police also sends lots of information to the process". The goal of the couple is to reach the reopening of the process. And to find a viable lead is half way. "We have several tangible elements which deserved the attention of foreign police forces. And that information hasd to be reviewed", explained Isabel Duarte, reminding that the crime-processes can only be reopened through representation of relevant evidence". That is the goal.

Madeleine´s photo at the handbag:

Mrs. McCann continues thin and cannot have her smile. During the more then two hours in the Portuguese lawyer´s office, Madeleine´s mother could smiled once. Dressed with black trousers, black t-shirt, and a blue coat, Kate showed yet a label attached to her handbag where a photo of one of the most images of her daughter with the title: "Don´t give up on me", in english. Below the photo could read an apeal to al persons who have leads about the girl, call to the number: 0044 (0) 845 8384699..
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Post by Tony Bennett 10.03.10 17:12

Autumn wrote:Article from 24horus newspaper - 9.3.2010

"...Kate and Gerry McCann, who don't give up of looking for their daughter, despite of not having still a reliable lead about the child´s disappearance..."
...Although Head of the McCanns' Team of Private Investigators, former Detective Chief Inspector Dave Edgar, working out of an office in Knutsford paid for by Latium Group owner Brian Kennedy, has twice gone on the record to say that he is 'convinced' that Madeleine is being held alive in a prison lair within 10 miles from Praia da Luz, in the lawless hills around.

Mind you, in between those two occasions, we had the 'strong lead' of the 'Victoria Beckham-lookalike' with an Australian accent who at 2.00am about two-and-a-half years ago was seen talking in downdown Barcelona, near the port (hint) asking a British banker if he had her new daughter. The banker concerned did not wish to give his name 'for personal reasons' and said he had agonisingly agonised for two years as to whether to reveal this vital information. At the press conference where this new lead was announced, leading to a major news story in Australia, Edgar quietly dropped out the fact that Jane Tanner on 3 May might have seen a woman carrying a child, not a man. Even though on 13 May she had told police she was certain the abductor was Robert Murat 'by the way he walked'.

And the Britsh press expect us to swallow all this - hook, line and sinker.
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Post by aliberte2 10.03.10 17:16

The British press? This was in 24 Horas.
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aliberte2 wrote:The British press? This was in 24 Horas.
Wrong. Edgar's claims of being convinced that Madeleine is being held in a prison lair near Praia da Luz and the whole 'Victoria Beckham-lookalikle' fiasco were reported in the British press. Plus the New Zealand sighting of a dark-haired girl and the story about the 'fat gypsy woman'. Not to mention the half-naked bloke in France.
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Post by aiyoyo 10.03.10 17:41

If they suspected sightings were not investigated, why dont they ask for re-opening? Or even ask police be it PJ or LP to do something about it.

Giving files to their PIs would do a fat lot of good as they hadnt come up with anything near in the last 3 years!
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Post by aliberte2 10.03.10 17:45

Tony Bennett wrote:
aliberte2 wrote:The British press? This was in 24 Horas.
Wrong. Edgar's claims of being convinced that Madeleine is being held in a prison lair near Praia da Luz and the whole 'Victoria Beckham-lookalikle' fiasco were reported in the British press. Plus the New Zealand sighting of a dark-haired girl and the story about the 'fat gypsy woman'. Not to mention the half-naked bloke in France.

Then Why Are You OFF TOPIC?
The OP is ABout Kate's Interview in 24 HORAS and it Sure Reads like a PUFF PIECE TO Me. But that Wouldn't Fit in With your Crusade Against the British and only the British, Eh?
And WATCH your tone.
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Post by Autumn 11.03.10 16:08

Here is the reply to my complaint to the BBC, I expect everyone who complained has received the same.

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Aled Jones with Good Morning Sunday'. We're sorry if you feel Kate McCann is an inappropriate guest for Mothering Sunday. The guests on 'Good Morning Sunday' reflect the impact of faith on their lives in many different ways. Over the last few years the guests on Mothering Sunday have all told powerful personal stories in which their religious belief has played an important part. Included among those stories has been the death of a child and coping with illness. The interview with Kate McCann offers a similar opportunity for the listeners to hear someone talk about how their faith has sustained them through the experience of trying to come to terms with a missing child and the effect this has had on their family. Nevertheless, we appreciate the time you've taken to make us aware of your feelings about this topic. We'd like to assure you that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC. Thank you once again for taking the trouble to contact us. Regards BBC Complaints____________________________www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Post by Jill Havern 11.03.10 16:46

Did you mention that Kate's own mother said she wasn't particularly religious?
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Post by Autumn 11.03.10 17:19

Oooops just realised this is on the wrong thread. Yes, I think it was very telling that Kate's own mother said that. I'l re-post on the mothers day thread along with my response. :flower:
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Post by justagrannynow 1 11.03.10 17:25

jkh wrote:Did you mention that Kate's own mother said she wasn't particularly religious?

True, but her religious belief, even if miniscule, has played a big part in this mystery. Great photo opportunities receiving flowers and the adulation of the public on their visits to the church at PDL. Holding the keys to said church. The support of Father Hubbard, not to mention the visit to Rome to be presented to the Pope, followed by the Sunday walk to the church in Rothley when they returned to the UK and the various anniversaries held there.

It's all to do with symbolism rather than substance.
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Post by Autumn 11.03.10 17:30

Thing is though, the BBC defend their actions by saying that Kate McCann has been invited on the show to talk specifically about how her beliefs have helped her through her experience.
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Post by vaguely1 11.03.10 17:45

Autumn wrote:Thing is though, the BBC defend their actions by saying that Kate McCann has been invited on the show to talk specifically about how her beliefs have helped her through her experience.

I don't think they're defending anything. They've just explained the point of the programme.

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Post by Autumn 11.03.10 17:49

Yes, but what is the point of Kate McCann being invited on?
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Post by vaguely1 11.03.10 17:51

to talk specifically about how her beliefs have helped her through her experience.


What's the point of anyone being asked on? It's on at 7am. Just have a lie in and ignore it.

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Post by Tony Bennett 11.03.10 18:00

vaguely1 wrote:to talk specifically about how her beliefs have helped her through her experience. What's the point of anyone being asked on? It's on at 7am. Just have a lie in and ignore it.
Four questions might be relevant:

1. What did you say to Father Pacheco?

2. Why did the Pope pull all the web pages about you on his website 48 hours before you became an arguido? - never to restore them?

3. What advice would you give on Mothering Sunday to mothers who fancy an evening out wining and dining with their friends and leaving three young children on their own in a dark foreign apartment? - How often should they be checked?

and

4. Do you still maintain that leaving three young children on their own when you were over a minute's walk away and couldn't see or hear them is 'within the bounds of responsible parenting'?
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Post by Ruby 11.03.10 18:06

Perhaps she could also be asked if she and Gerry have managed to set aside any time yet to go through the sightings in the files. Can't really understand why this isn't their top priority myself?
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Post by vaguely1 11.03.10 18:08

I really can't see Aled Jones locking her in the studio and shining the Anglepoise in her face and demanding answers.

I think she has been invited there specifically to talk about how her beliefs have helped her through her experience

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Post by Tony Bennett 11.03.10 18:21

vaguely1 wrote:I really can't see Aled Jones locking her in the studio and shining the Anglepoise in her face and demanding answers.

I think she has been invited there specifically to talk about how her beliefs have helped her through her experience
I should think that the binding oath taken by priests not to divulge what is said to them in the confessional booth, on pain of being excommunicated and losing their livings, has been a particularly helpful aspect of the Roman Catholic faith in this instance.
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Post by vaguely1 11.03.10 18:25

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Post by Autumn 11.03.10 18:36

Ruby wrote:Perhaps she could also be asked if she and Gerry have managed to set aside any time yet to go through the sightings in the files. Can't really understand why this isn't their top priority myself?

Exactly, they don't appear to be treating these sightings with much urgency do they? If Kate McCann seriously believed her daughter to be alive and waiting to be found, does anyone honestly think for one second that she would be wasting time time on the Aled Jones radio show?
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Post by justagrannynow 1 12.03.10 6:29

This whole "searching" business is a joke. Same with all the "private detectives" who have had thousands of pounds spent on them, and for what? Certainly not to find Madeleine.

What a pity that all the money which has been wasted on this campaign could not have been given to one of the reputable charities Kate McCann now seems to be eager to align herself with. It would have been better spent and would have appeared to be a more sincere gesture than the black comedy we have had thrust before us up to now.
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Post by aiyoyo 12.03.10 18:05

justagrannynow 1 wrote:This whole "searching" business is a joke. Same with all the "private detectives" who have had thousands of pounds spent on them, and for what? Certainly not to find Madeleine.

What a pity that all the money which has been wasted on this campaign could not have been given to one of the reputable charities Kate McCann now seems to be eager to align herself with. It would have been better spent and would have appeared to be a more sincere gesture than the black comedy we have had thrust before us up to now.

Ah, the ex-copper Mr Plod is a joke. He's building up his retirement nest nicely with blood money. Bet he knows, or at least suspected, but will continue to milk it while it lasts.

Nothing's going to change. DE's will just continue to shuffle papers from his desk, a complete way of time doing what the investigators had already covered.
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Autumn wrote:Article from 24horus newspaper - 9.3.2010

"I continue to go twice a day to Madeleine´s room.

Gerry and Kate spent yesterday the day in Lisbon.

"Madeleine´s room is the same. Very pink".

Everyday, Kate McCann enters at her daughter´s room and stay there to get the hundreds of gifts that came up during almost three years for the missing girl or just to remind the child. "The room is the same, did not change much, still very pink", told us Madeleine´s mother to 24horas, in a short visit yesterday at Lisbon, to meet with the Portuguese lawyers representing the couple. "I continue to go twice a day at Madeleine´s room. I feel comfortable there inside. It is a sensation of comfort, that is, not pain. And hope also." HOPE, this is the motto of Kate and Gerry McCann. who don´t give up of looking for their daughter, despite of not having stil a reliable lead about the child´s disappearance, on May 3, 2007, at Praia da Luz, Algarve. "We can only hope. There are several cases, some of them even recently, of missing children who are found, and that makles us believe that our daughter coul stil be alive, that is why we continue to have hope", Gerry told, always with his hand on his hand´s wife, showing two colourful wristbands (one green, other yelow) in his right hand, symbolizes, precisely, the hope and the will of not giving up.

Beware with new evidences:

Madeleine´s parents was in Portugal in the week that has mentioned about a strong lead that was not investigated by Portuguese authorities, a photo taken at New Zealand, in which a girl much resembling Madeleine, was seen. This lead, which proved itself without any fundament, was released by a British paper, an attitude which caused disturbance to the couple. This is one of the concerns of Kate and Gerry at the moment. "The British newspapers had access to the information given by a Portuguese procurator which can be dangerous. For example, if there is a lead that is in the proces, which was not investigated by the authorities, which could be important, if that lead was released by the newspapers, it can make that the abductors flee, or even worse then that...",. regretted the British child´s father. "I make an appeal to all newspapers, to not release informations that can be investigated if they were not public", requested Isabel Duarte, the couple´s lawyer. Some of the British newspapers has in their possession al the process, with more then 2000 pages, which are now analysing all leads that were not investigated. "If that was released. it can be also bad for our private investigators, and could even jeopardize their work", explained Gerry.

Isabel Duarte talks of the danger of release new leads from the process:

"Innocent lives could be at risk", warns the couple´s lawyer:

The Portuguese lawyer representing the couple, Isabel Duarte, is very worried about the way the British newspapers had released the lines of the investigation which were not followed by PJ, which are in the process, "mostly sightings", like the lawyer told. Isabel Duarte criticizes, mainly, the way this information was disclosed by the British press. "If the information was not preserved, if it was launched without care, innocent lives could be at steak, even the girl´s life herself
". Beyond sigtings, are part of the process, "several countless leads", which were not followed by PJ. "These are also appointments of investigation from foreign police forces, such as Spanish, French or Italian. The Leicester police also sends lots of information to the process". The goal of the couple is to reach the reopening of the process. And to find a viable lead is half way. "We have several tangible elements which deserved the attention of foreign police forces. And that information hasd to be reviewed", explained Isabel Duarte, reminding that the crime-processes can only be reopened through representation of relevant evidence". That is the goal.

Madeleine´s photo at the handbag:

Mrs. McCann continues thin and cannot have her smile. During the more then two hours in the Portuguese lawyer´s office, Madeleine´s mother could smiled once. Dressed with black trousers, black t-shirt, and a blue coat, Kate showed yet a label attached to her handbag where a photo of one of the most images of her daughter with the title: "Don´t give up on me", in english. Below the photo could read an apeal to al persons who have leads about the girl, call to the number: 0044 (0) 845 8384699..

I know this is an old thread now, but I happened to read it this morning, and I have to say and not for the first time, how appalling I find this lots breathtaking arrogance and hypocrisy. Do they honestly think that people don't notice and pick up on this stuff?
HOW IS IT NOT OK for British newspapers, or any newspaper for that matter, to print 'leads' that could harm Madeleines safety BUT IT IS OK FOR THEM TO PUBLICIZE HER 'COLOBOMA'? They were made starkly aware of the consequences for Maddie if they did so. Gerry knew 'it was a risk - but in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy'! WTF??? Had M's coloboma been real, that one disclosure would have been a metaphorical bullet to the head!
Somebody MUST stop this lot - soon!

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