Maddie Case: Scotland Yard discredits Spanish investigation

by Guest 18.03.12 21:37

russiandoll posted a snip of this on a thread but this on Joana's forum deserves a thread on its own...............

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Spanish Detectives clues are useless for the Maddie Case
McCann couple paid investigation with money from the “Find Madeleine” fund

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English Police dismisses work done by the private agency “Método” 3 hired by the McCann couple

by Oscár Queirós

The investigators of Scotland Yard, who are again working in the case of Madeleine's disappearance, came to the conclusion that steps taken in recent years by the Spanish detectives hired by the McCann couple have helped very little or nothing at all towards the discovery of what happened to the girl.

The detectives from the “Método 3” agency were paid with money from the “Find Madeleine” fund and the data they collected had always as basis the assumption of the abduction thesis, defended by the parents of the child who disappeared in the Algarve on May 3, 2007.

Four members of the English team that are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann were in Barcelona, at the end of last year, where they have collected dozens of boxes filled with documents. Francisco Marco, in charge of “Método 3”, told [on a Spanish TV broadcast] that those documents contained “six, seven or eight very important leads”.

At this moment, according to what JN was able to find out, the investigators are re-analysing every data pertaining to the case and they have already played down the importance of those “leads”. They have, therefore, chosen to concentrate all their efforts in the process that was archived in Portugal in July 2008.

It should be recalled, as JN has reported previously, the Judiciary Police (PJ), trough a team from Oporto's directorate, has been cooperating with the English in a re-assessment of all the investigation data.

According to the Spanish newspaper ‘[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]’ [14 December 2011], Scotland Yard seized the opportunity of that Spanish trip to hold meetings with the Spanish Police and the Guardia Civil. This was confirmed to JN by Portuguese sources who explained that those meetings took place due to the keenness to not overlook any avenues of the investigation, namely the possibility of abduction, even by the proximity of Portimão with the Spanish border.

Seven friends of the McCann couple to be heard
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by Guest 18.03.12 21:42

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English Police dismisses work done by the private agency “Método” 3 hired by the McCann couple

Well there's a surprise titter

by uppatoffee 18.03.12 21:49

I like the sound of the last paragraph the best. Wonder if after 5 years practice JT has worked out which of the many suspicious looking people she saw that night?!

Mrs

by squeaker 18.03.12 22:01

Surely the McCanns themselves will be heard too, and not just their friends?

by uppatoffee 18.03.12 22:06

Maybe they're saving the best till last Squeaker!

by rainbow-fairy 19.03.12 7:21

Or maybe they are hoping (probably rightly) that one of the craven bunch will crack, making their jobs easier with K+G?

by Liz Eagles 19.03.12 7:49

rainbow-fairy wrote:Or maybe they are hoping (probably rightly) that one of the craven bunch will crack, making their jobs easier with K+G?

SY don't need to hope. Someone will crack. Life moves on. It's almost five years since Madeleine went missing. That's five years of pressure and conscience for anyone with something to hide. Relationships, careers, social status, marriages, friendships etc have moved on and I would imagine changed enormously. Affiliation with people will also have changed.

by Estelle 19.03.12 8:54

aquila wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:Or maybe they are hoping (probably rightly) that one of the craven bunch will crack, making their jobs easier with K+G?

SY don't need to hope. Someone will crack. Life moves on. It's almost five years since Madeleine went missing. That's five years of pressure and conscience for anyone with something to hide. Relationships, careers, social status, marriages, friendships etc have moved on and I would imagine changed enormously. Affiliation with people will also have changed.

IMO it is about time that Jane Tanner cracked. The guilt she must feel would be overwhelming.

by Liz Eagles 19.03.12 9:08

Estelle wrote:
aquila wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:Or maybe they are hoping (probably rightly) that one of the craven bunch will crack, making their jobs easier with K+G?

SY don't need to hope. Someone will crack. Life moves on. It's almost five years since Madeleine went missing. That's five years of pressure and conscience for anyone with something to hide. Relationships, careers, social status, marriages, friendships etc have moved on and I would imagine changed enormously. Affiliation with people will also have changed.

IMO it is about time that Jane Tanner cracked. The guilt she must feel would be overwhelming.

I don't particularly care who cracks. One of them will.

by Estelle 19.03.12 9:50

IMO they have all been feeling relatively safe until now but if they are keeping up with what's going on now, they will crack. At the recent run for Missing Children, there was no evidence of any of the tapas7 running too as they used to. They have all been in hiding. There will be no excuses this time not to do a reconstruction.

by Willo 19.03.12 10:08

It's good news.

But it got me wondering.....

My initial thoughts were....Assuming the 30 SY officers all worked 40 hours , that's 1200 man hours a week. That's a lot of man hours to discover several months later that Metodo 3 had no information what so ever. I know there were loads of false sightings but surely not that convoluted that they were hard to recognise. There were also the boxes of documents to go through and maybe a wait for translations to be done. But it still seemed quite a long time to me to uncover the sham that was Metodo 3. Especially when I thought that a reconstruction with all the main players playing their part was so obviously crying out to be done.....

.....But then I got to thinking more positively.

If SY were really trying to catch all they can in their net, it would make sense to follow every sighting as far as they can. Getting right to the source of each sighting, getting names, addresses, relatives, looking for a link, a pattern or influence that could show they were premeditated. The same with financial transactions, who paid who? Travel itineries would have been studied, statements compared and all cross referenced hoping for some sort of match. ....That would indeed take some time and I can, on reflection, see how the investigation/review, if done properly, could take so long and realise it might go on for a while yet.

I have been very dubious of the review but the right snippets of information are being released, there is a lot of money being spent and I really can't see the work of 30 officers shoved under the carpet. Though I am equally sure that some public figures are trying their best to subvert the course of justice to save themselves.....

....For the first time I think SY really might be on the case... well, I still have a small nagging doubt but I'm much more confident than I have been.

by aiyoyo 19.03.12 11:50

so, that is 8 so called significant leads down the drain then. I am sure the mccanns will be last pair to be surprised by that.

The mccanns better get their friends to pack their bags and wait for the knock on the door.

To me, it wouldnt be what the Yard did not find in the leads, but what they found in terms of instructions to Metodo 3 about the search, or non instructions to follow up.

The crux of the matter is if the privates detectives search was found to be not genuine surely it begs the question what was the motive for mccanns to hire them. If it is proven the hire was but a false pretense at searching, then the abductor theory is very suspect.

by Miraflores 19.03.12 12:34

The crux of the matter is if the privates detectives search was found to
be not genuine surely it begs the question what was the motive for
mccanns to hire them.

And why haven't they had Clarrie spin it for them? The sort of headline I would expect: 'Bogus detectives swindle tragic McCanns'[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by listener 19.03.12 15:40

Miraflores wrote:
The crux of the matter is if the privates detectives search was found to
be not genuine surely it begs the question what was the motive for
mccanns to hire them.
And why haven't they had Clarrie spin it for them? The sort of headline I would expect: 'Bogus detectives swindle tragic McCanns'[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Any serious, new investigation must surely be giving the McCanns own 'show' of investigating a lot of thought![You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by Pershing36 20.03.12 14:06

I can see them suing M3 now. I am sure this will end up being a nice little earner for them.

by nomendelta 20.03.12 14:20

A lot depends on the outcome of the SY review - if the outcome is ambiguous enough to allow them to spin being cleared you can bet the McCanns will hoover up. They will no doubt have complete deniability of M3's machinations leading to "We were duped" and "Cruel sighting hoaxes of sham detectives" plus of course they can always play the "foreigners" card too.

by Liz Eagles 20.03.12 14:26

nomendelta wrote:A lot depends on the outcome of the SY review - if the outcome is ambiguous enough to allow them to spin being cleared you can bet the McCanns will hoover up. They will no doubt have complete deniability of M3's machinations leading to "We were duped" and "Cruel sighting hoaxes of sham detectives" plus of course they can always play the "foreigners" card too.

...and blame the UK police for not taking an active part earlier and then subsequently campaign for reforms re missing children - who knows it might be a global role in the making.

by nomendelta 20.03.12 15:09

aquila wrote:
nomendelta wrote:A lot depends on the outcome of the SY review - if the outcome is ambiguous enough to allow them to spin being cleared you can bet the McCanns will hoover up. They will no doubt have complete deniability of M3's machinations leading to "We were duped" and "Cruel sighting hoaxes of sham detectives" plus of course they can always play the "foreigners" card too.

...and blame the UK police for not taking an active part earlier and then subsequently campaign for reforms re missing children - who knows it might be a global role in the making.

Possibly you are right however I can't help but feel that they can never be totally vindicated short of a complete SY whitewash and they would do well at this point just to retreat and shut up because the tide of public opinion will turn at anything other than a complete clearing of their names.

What makes me optimistic is stuff like M3's work being dismissed - if team McCann were running things I think we'd have a more measured response along the lines of "Sadly whilst M3 worked hard it was an impossible task given the lack of leads etc"...

by **PeterMac** 20.03.12 15:40

Miraflores wrote:
The crux of the matter is if the privates detectives search was found to be not genuine surely it begs the question what was the motive for
mccanns to hire them.
And why haven't they had Clarrie spin it for them? The sort of headline I would expect: 'Bogus detectives swindle tragic McCanns'

I suspect because he is already on record as saying how wonderful they were, and the next lot, and the next lot, even though the last company was created after the incident, and so on.
He has nailed his colours to the mast, and will now look very very stupid (Sorry, even more very very stupid) if he has to admit he was wrong.

If the ship goes down, then lawyers (various), Mitchell, McVey, Tapas 7, auditors, trustees, and a lot more lose, at the very least, a part of their reputations.
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by ShuBob 20.03.12 15:53

PeterMac wrote:

"I suspect because he is already on record as saying how wonderful they were...."

That hasn't stopped him in the past. If you remember, when news of Halligen having allegedly swindled them of between £300-500k emerged, Clarence repeatedly denied the claim. That suddenly changed following his arrest with Clarence saying "We are glad this man was tracked down. It
is distressing someone would seek to make money out of Madeleine."

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by **PeterMac** 20.03.12 18:03

But how fascinating that they never tried to get the money back.
By They, I mean of course the Trustees who owe a very onerous legal duty of care towards the funds under their control.
Why didn't they initiate action on behalf of the "Fund" ?
There are The "Fund's" solicitors and Auditors who must have been standing by to pull the relevant documents out of the filing cabinet and fill in the names,
but....
Nothing.
Silence.

by **tigger** 20.03.12 19:55

I've always had the feeling that Metodo3 did the jobs they were paid to do. Anything else would be in the boxes SY took away.

by **PeterMac** 20.03.12 22:28

Indeed. Did Halligen also do the job he was asked, and paid, to do ?
And is Edgar doing the same ?
Who paid Antonio Jimenez Raso to invent and pay for all the """"sightings""" in Morocco ?
M3 , or TM.
He didn't do this off his own bat. He had to be instructed.
He worked from Barcelona, as far from Morocco as it is possible to get in Spain.
(And also, about as far as it is possible to get from Portugal, but that is another entirely different story. The estimate for travelling costs alone would have been astronomical. Who did the 'due diligence' on this lot ?)

None of it makes sense. (Sorry, Carter-Ruck, it does make sense, but not in the world you inhabit, lined with your thirty thousand pieces of silver.)

by Gillyspot 20.03.12 22:47

Good Post Petermac

Also remember not forgetting the wonderful dormant appearing company Alphaig Ltd that didn't achieve anything with Arthur Cowley & Dave Edgar.

(Carter Ruck this is not just my opinion this is fact). CR you must agree the McCanns have been dreadfully unlucky in their choice of Private Investigators (despite apparently someone going through "due dilligence" before appointing them.

by pauline 20.03.12 23:18

I would love to know how Kate defines 'due diligence.'

She uses this phrase in the truthful book but I do not think her understanding of the phrase is the same as the posters here.

by aiyoyo 21.03.12 2:29

ShuBob wrote:PeterMac wrote:

"I suspect because he is already on record as saying how wonderful they were...."

That hasn't stopped him in the past. If you remember, when news of Halligen having allegedly swindled them of between £300-500k emerged, Clarence repeatedly denied the claim. That suddenly changed following his arrest with Clarence saying "We are glad this man was tracked down. It
is distressing someone would seek to make money out of Madeleine."

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So he has done it all and nothing he says now will be new.

Effectively he's stuck between iceberg and a very hard place. Whoever is captain of their ship is on 24 hours watch alert now.

by Gillyspot 21.03.12 6:37

pauline wrote:I would love to know how Kate defines 'due diligence.'

She uses this phrase in the truthful book but I do not think her understanding of the phrase is the same as the posters here.

The McCanns or actually more likely their "financial backer" will only be able to sue Halligen if the contract initially made between them is detailed enough to prove that he hasn't carried out the work that they asked for (or not to an acceptable standard). Although this isn't part of due diligence (that allegedly being carried out before employing Halligen) it is normal practice where large and expensive contracts are taken out to make sure the work that is required is clearly detailed in a contract to avoid misunderstandings (and litigation).

There wouldn't have been a contract between the McCanns & Halligen if they weren't paying him so they wouldn't have been able to sue.

by russiandoll 21.03.12 9:01

Hope there is more to this than discrediting leads, would be surprised if SY are not going through the Spanish stuff with a fne-tooth comb, to discover the motivation for their employment and what instructions they were following for payment. They might well have produced results for the McCanns, but as stated in the quoted article, nothing regarding progressing a search.
Follow the money.........the evidence for a massive fraud is to be discovered here imo.

by aiyoyo 21.03.12 9:48

pauline wrote:I would love to know how Kate defines 'due diligence.'

She uses this phrase in the truthful book but I do not think her understanding of the phrase is the same as the posters here.

I am not sure you are looking at it from the right angle pauline.
Have no doubt kate knows all about due diligence.
It was exactly the "due diligence" they wanted that suits their purpose to a T.
They got exactly the "sort" of detectives they wanted exactly from due diligence.
No decent detectives would want to be implicated in their dodgy deal.

In case CR is watching. If their detective hire is not dodgy I don't know what is.
Here we are not talking one set of bad detective agency or detectives, we are talking 4 consecutive sets in a row. Is that down to bad luck? I should hardly think so after all the mccanns had been VERY lucky so far with every thing else.
In fact they had been also lucky with the detectives because those were exactly the sort the mccanns were after.

What does their choice of detective tell people about their search? Serious?
Did the mccanns follow up on the detectives work?
Did they ask for leads, did they ask whether leads were follow up?
Did they have meetings with detectives to get updated?
Did they ensure that people's money given to them for the search was not wasted on incompetent detectives delivering zilch.
I would think that is their obligation to the donors, and more importantly their OBLIGATION TO Madeleine at the very least, if they want people to believe she's alive and not come to any harm.

On the "not come to any harm" as said by Gerry the mind boggles because if she was taken she was already harmed, unless he did not consider "abducted by paedophile" or "taken" as having come to harm. It's one of those gerry's verbal diarrhea moments.