Re: The Creche Sheets

by Guest 27.02.12 16:01

Yes aiyoyo. The bullet point listing of all the important stuff, certainly allows you to focus much better on the bigger picture. I've got nowhere today infortunately with the 30th's events. That day is a very bizzare day, as you will see when I post it up. Lots of things happened that day, that didn't happen on other days. I think it is a very important day.

As for the Naylor entries, well yes, that is certainly an important consideration. But I think you will change your mind by the time I finish this exercise. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by russiandoll 27.02.12 17:36

Stella wrote:Yes aiyoyo. The bullet point listing of all the important stuff, certainly allows you to focus much better on the bigger picture. I've got nowhere today infortunately with the 30th's events. That day is a very bizzare day, as you will see when I post it up. Lots of things happened that day, that didn't happen on other days. I think it is a very important day.

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it certainly is and is remarkable for being a day not detailed in the book, one has to wonder why. a case of a silence speaking volumes imo

by Guest 27.02.12 19:40

aiyoyo wrote:Excellent work Stella. The concise summary in points form is very easy to follow.

Of the name "Robert Naylor" on records which had to be changed twice to "Elizabeth Naylor", my opinion is that Robert signs his own name instead of his child as men do sometimes without thinking it should have been the child's name.
Maybe it is the mentality that he's next of kin in case of emergency. Of course I could be wrong, but that is one possible explanation, FWIW.

I agree someone wrote the father's name rather than the child's but a quick look at how everyone else is signing in would quickly show how it should be done.

I think it's worth noting that Russell had some trouble with his child's name also on the creche records and on the sticker book timeline where he had to cross out his daughter's name twice.
On the creche sheet for 1 May he signs his daughter in as Emma and someone - looks like the nanny's writing - crosses it out and corrects it to Ella.

Then on the sticker book timeline he wrote on the evening of 3rd , he writes:
920/5 ~~Ella~~ Jane checked 5d

Next line is :
930 Rob & ~~Ella~~ Matt check on all 3

May not be important but it's worth noting for completeness.

So he seems to have had a problem

by uppatoffee 27.02.12 19:50

Is it definitely Russell signing Ella in? I could well believe a parent would write their own name instead of their child's, but to get the wrong name completely seems unlikely. More likely that he asked someone to sign her in for him and he said Ella and they misheard him.

by Guest 27.02.12 20:29

uppatoffee wrote:Is it definitely Russell signing Ella in? I could well believe a parent would write their own name instead of their child's, but to get the wrong name completely seems unlikely. More likely that he asked someone to sign her in for him and he said Ella and they misheard him.

Yes that's possible it was someone else - there is a signature that sort of looks like his but looking at it again the surname of the child's name looks weaker than the way O'brien is usually written compared to other sessions. Also the room number given for the am creche session on 1st and am session on 30th is 5B... So not only did they get the child's name wrong but they also got the apartment number wrong - should have been 5d.

Sorry Stella for jumping ahead on the days ....

by Guest 28.02.12 9:47

Stewie wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:Excellent work Stella. The concise summary in points form is very easy to follow.

Of the name "Robert Naylor" on records which had to be changed twice to "Elizabeth Naylor", my opinion is that Robert signs his own name instead of his child as men do sometimes without thinking it should have been the child's name.
Maybe it is the mentality that he's next of kin in case of emergency. Of course I could be wrong, but that is one possible explanation, FWIW.

I agree someone wrote the father's name rather than the child's but a quick look at how everyone else is signing in would quickly show how it should be done.

I think it's worth noting that Russell had some trouble with his child's name also on the creche records and on the sticker book timeline where he had to cross out his daughter's name twice.
On the creche sheet for 1 May he signs his daughter in as Emma and someone - looks like the nanny's writing - crosses it out and corrects it to Ella.

Then on the sticker book timeline he wrote on the evening of 3rd , he writes:
920/5 ~~Ella~~ Jane checked 5d

Next line is :
930 Rob & ~~Ella~~ Matt check on all 3

May not be important but it's worth noting for completeness.

So he seems to have had a problem

Stewie, don't worry about jumping ahead, it helps to remind me.

I think you have made a very significant point here.

All this time we thought it must have been the nanny who changed the creche sheet from Emma to Ella. It might still have been, but if Ella being crossed out, also made it to the sticker book, the nanny was not around when that was being written !! I know it's not the same as Emma to Ella, but it looks like someone had a mental block for some reason, with that particular child.

by Guest 28.02.12 11:24

Day three -first draft

Monday April 30^th

GM phone 07780 activity - nothing recorded.

KM phone 0790 activity - nothing recorded.

The twins transfer from Jellyfish to Starfish, for this day only with Shinead.

Gerry signs twins in at 9.20, out at 12.15, minutes elevated.

Lily is signed in immediately afterwards, but it’s written as 9.10, minutes elevated.

Madeleine is signed in at 9.30, out at 12.10 by Gerry, minutes elevated.

Ella is signed in at 9.15, out at 12.35 by Russell.

Elizabeth is signed in as Robert leaving no parental signature.

‘Robert’ as written, rises up as it finishes. - added 28/02

‘N’ in Naylor, appears to be the same style as ‘N’ in McCann. - added 28/02

Numbers ‘7 & 8’ in telephone numbers, appears to be the same style. - added 28/02

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne Naylor.

In the afternoon, same page used in lobsters, no squiggle, just one blank line left.

The twins are signed in at 15.25 by Kate and out at 17.20

Kate leaves 2 phone numbers 0790310 & 0778698.

‘Sean’ as seen on the crèche sheet is part printed, part hand written. - updated 28/2 pm

Madeleine is signed in at 15.15 by Kate.

Kate leaves 1 phone number 0790310

Madeleine is signed out 15 minutes later at 15.30 by Kate, minutes elevated.

Elizabeth does not attend.

Ella is signed in at 16.00 as R O’Brien, by Russell, location at tapas.

Ella is not signed out.

William Totman at 2.35 is signed in as John and then crossed out.

Alexander Mann not signed in until 4.30.

other events that day:

Robert Murat books his flight from UK to FARO. - added 28/2

by aiyoyo 28.02.12 14:31

Stella wrote:Day three -first draft

Monday April 30^th

GM phone 07780 activity - nothing recorded.

KM phone 0790 activity - nothing recorded.

The twins transfer from Jellyfish to Starfish, for this day only with Shinead.

Gerry signs twins in at 9.20, out at 12.15, minutes elevated.

Lily is signed in immediately afterwards, but it’s written as 9.10, minutes elevated.

Madeleine is signed in at 9.30, out at 12.10 by Gerry, minutes elevated.

Ella is signed in at 9.15, out at 12.35 by Russell.

Elizabeth is signed in as Robert leaving no parental signature.

‘Robert’ as written, rises up as it finishes. - added 28/02

‘N’ in Naylor, appears to be the same style as ‘N’ in McCann. - added 28/02

Numbers ‘7 & 8’ in telephone numbers, appears to be the same style. - added 28/02

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne Naylor.

In the afternoon, same page used in lobsters, no squiggle, just one blank line left.

The twins are signed in at 15.25 by Kate and out at 17.20

Kate leaves 2 phone numbers 0790310 & 0778698.

Madeleine is signed in at 15.15 by Kate.

Kate leaves 1 phone number 0790310

Madeleine is signed out 15 minutes later at 15.30 by Kate, minutes elevated.
Which leaves one wondering why bother!

Elizabeth does not attend.
Coincidence?
Ella is signed in at 16.00 as R O’Brien, by Russell, location at tapas.

Ella is not signed out.

William Totman at 2.35 is signed in as John and then crossed out.

Alexander Mann not signed in until 4.30.

other events that day:

Robert Murat books his flight from UK to FARO. - added 28/2

How many children were in Maddie's creche and twins' creche on this day? How many children of similar age to those of the Tapas were on holiday in the same resort? Were they all left in the creche as well?
If only about 4 or 5 attended every day in each creche then surely they cant get lost in the crowd and surely it must be easy for nanny to tally children's records. Surely it can't be that they either didn't check registration records or didnt recognise children in attendance match registration?

by Guest 28.02.12 14:41

There is supposed to be a strict number of children per adult. But it is believed that there was more than one group playing in the same area, giving the effect of a large number. But each nanny had a set amount of children to monitor.

Mini club (3-5 yrs)

Supervisor Lyndsy Johnson, then Amy Tierney

1^st group Cat Baker (MM & E**a O’Brien)

2^nd group Emma Wilding

Toddler club 1 (12m-23m)

Shinead Vine, Jacqueline Williams, Leanne Wagstaff

2 sub groups, each group having 3 children each

Toddler club 2 (24m-3 yrs)

Stacy Portz, Shinead Vine, Sarah Williamson, Susan Owen (AM & SM)

Baby club (3- 11 months)

Supervisor Lyndsay Johnson, then Amy Tierney

Charlotte Pennington, Lynne Fretter

3 sub groups, each group having 2 babies each

by Guest 28.02.12 15:34

Just spotted another really weird thing. On the 30th in the twins creche group, afternoon session, the name Sean is part printed, part hand written. All of the creche sheets I have seen, have all been hand written.

by Guest 28.02.12 17:39

Stella wrote:Just spotted another really weird thing. On the 30th in the twins creche group, afternoon session, the name Sean is part printed, part hand written. All of the creche sheets I have seen, have all been hand written.

Hi Stella,

Yes that's really weird - the S and e are printed... Also on the time in, it is 1325 but the 2 is a printed "a" - very odd.

by aiyoyo 29.02.12 5:36

Stella wrote:There is supposed to be a strict number of children per adult. But it is believed that there was more than one group playing in the same area, giving the effect of a large number. But each nanny had a set amount of children to monitor.

Mini club (3-5 yrs)

Supervisor Lyndsy Johnson, then Amy Tierney

1^st group Cat Baker (MM & E**a O’Brien)

2^nd group Emma Wilding

Toddler club 1 (12m-23m)

Shinead Vine, Jacqueline Williams, Leanne Wagstaff

2 sub groups, each group having 3 children each

Toddler club 2 (24m-3 yrs)

Stacy Portz, Shinead Vine, Sarah Williamson, Susan Owen (AM & SM)

Baby club (3- 11 months)

Supervisor Lyndsay Johnson, then Amy Tierney

Charlotte Pennington, Lynne Fretter

3 sub groups, each group having 2 babies each

In low season I would imagine not many children are in the creche. Besides even in high season there is the ratio of nanny : children issue so how can any nanny mistakes a child identity if there are only less than one handful their charge. I'm finding it hard to believe they can substitute Maddie and not be found out. Besides why would Taylor allow them to use ET as substitute?

I know we have a phone data analysis expert among us. Maybe the phone activities are just a coincidence. Certainly I think the phone activities on the 2nd and 3rd need to be examined. Otherwise, I would imagine people on holiday would cut down on calls or avoid using the phone after all they are there to relax and also there is the long-distance cost factor people who are budgeting try to avoid.

I cant see how they can pull off the substitution "stunt" in consecutive days without anyone noticing? Besides why would they risk that since there is no point in it, as the accident no matter when it happened would still need to be reported in the way they want to report it. Planning an abduction story involving so many outsiders as potential witnesses is very risky.

Since we are in this closed section, I would like to hear the logic for people's belief that Maddie could have died much earlier.
Would this then tantamount to premeditated homicide or just premeditated cover up?

I know discussions were had about earlier than May3rd death but as early as April 30 and the rationale behind that belief is not explored as far as I know.

by Ribisl 29.02.12 6:38

Since we are in this closed section, I would like to hear the logic for people's belief that Maddie could have died much earlier.
Would this then tantamount to premeditated homicide or just premeditated cover up?

I know discussions were had about earlier than May3rd death but as early as April 30 and the rationale behind that belief is not explored as far as I know.

I agree wih aiyoyo. As I have been posting recently under another thread I fail to see any logic behind some of the assumptions made wrt both earlier death and substitution. Fern evidence suggests to me that M was alive on the night of 1st May and for once I see no reason not to believe KM's comment about M mentioning crying the following morning. As far as sub is concerned could we not have a separate thread to discuss this? I would like to read all the evidence people have gathered to base their sub theory on with an open mind.

by aiyoyo 29.02.12 6:52

I wont take Fenn's statement as set in stone.

The mccanns reference to it ...err...dont even go there, since the mccanns are notorious for saying things (lying) to suit their prupose. It suits them to let people believe Maddie was alive until 3rd May. But if the evidence supports a different date then the researchers are doing a commendable job.

by Guest 29.02.12 10:01

I know that many people are asking for explanations, but although this section is available to a small number of people to make posts in, it is still visible to the entire world to see. Including our dear friends Carter Ruck.

Not sure how this section would develop, 'Me' came up with the great idea of breaking each day down, merging creche and phone activity, adding anything very important to remember along the way. Have you ever seen how air traffic controllers used to work? With each plane on a small block in front of them, moving and shifting things around to get all the planes in the right order for landing. Well, this is a bit like that at the moment. It is working very well, but I've only got up to the 1st May, which I'm working on right now. This is the start of a busy day. A major piece has quite possibly just slotted into place, which could change some peoples perspectives of what they think they saw happen that day. But until this exercise is finished and we can see the whole week as one complete document, I think it is best to keep any explanations out of it for now. But I will give aiyoyo something to think about between now and then. When Madeleine was happily playing in the creche that week, how many people do you know of (outside the T9 group), who physically met and knew Madeleine before that week? The answer of course is zero. The T9 are like the musketeers, sticking with their all for one and one for all attitude. Do you still think that someone would of/should of, noticed a different child that week?

by Guest 29.02.12 10:09

Ribisl wrote:I agree wih aiyoyo. As I have been posting recently under another thread I fail to see any logic behind some of the assumptions made wrt both earlier death and substitution. Fern evidence suggests to me that M was alive on the night of 1st May and for once I see no reason not to believe KM's comment about M mentioning crying the following morning. As far as sub is concerned could we not have a separate thread to discuss this? I would like to read all the evidence people have gathered to base their sub theory on with an open mind.

As the creche movements along with the handwriting in the creche sheets, is what led to the "purporting of a theory" in the first place, they come as a complete package I'm afraid.

by aiyoyo 29.02.12 12:37

Stella wrote:I know that many people are asking for explanations, but although this section is available to a small number of people to make posts in, it is still visible to the entire world to see. Including our dear friends Carter Ruck.

Not sure how this section would develop, 'Me' came up with the great idea of breaking each day down, merging creche and phone activity, adding anything very important to remember along the way. Have you ever seen how air traffic controllers used to work? With each plane on a small block in front of them, moving and shifting things around to get all the planes in the right order for landing. Well, this is a bit like that at the moment. It is working very well, but I've only got up to the 1st May, which I'm working on right now. This is the start of a busy day. A major piece has quite possibly just slotted into place, which could change some peoples perspectives of what they think they saw happen that day. But until this exercise is finished and we can see the whole week as one complete document, I think it is best to keep any explanations out of it for now. But I will give aiyoyo something to think about between now and then. When Madeleine was happily playing in the creche that week, how many people do you know of (outside the T9 group), who physically met and knew Madeleine before that week? The answer of course is zero. The T9 are like the musketeers, sticking with their all for one and one for all attitude. Do you still think that someone would of/should of, noticed a different child that week?

Thanks Stella.

by Guest 29.02.12 12:48

This is the first draft of May 1st. It is far from complete, as I have not included the twins movements yet, but here it is so far..

Tuesday May 1^st

GM phone 07780 - is silent all day.

Ella is signed in as Emma by Russell at 9.00.

Ella’s entry also states they were staying in 5B, which is incorrect.

Elizabeth is signed in at 9.10 by Robert.

Madeleine is the last child to be signed in at 9.30 by Gerry.

Gerry does not leave a telephone number, only ‘tennis’.

At 10.16 Kate’s phone is used (see A below) – gets deleted.

Kate’s phone is also used at 11.56 and 12.17 – gets deleted.

Madeleine is signed out at 12.20 by Gerry, minutes elevated.

William Totman is signed out a 12.25, minutes elevated.

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne. ‘Naylor’ rises up as it ends.

Ella is not signed out and someone changes Emma to Ella.

AM and PM roll into one, someone inserts a dark line to separate the sessions.

Madeleine signed in at 14.30 by Gerry.

Gerry writes Kate’s mobile number in the contact section. (see A above)

Elizabeth is signed in at 2.30 by Ainne.

This is Elizabeth’s last afternoon visit & she leaves very early that day.

Ella is signed in by ‘Cat nanny’ at 2.30 and rises up as it finishes.

Ella’s entry once again states 5B, instead of 5D.

Tia Patel is signed in at 14.30, Patel rises up as it finishes.

Izzy Carpenter is signed in the wrong crèche group at 2.40 & gets crossed out.

Alexander signed in as Richard Mann at 2.50.

Elizabeth leaves very early and is signed out at 4.00 by Ainne.

Madeleine is not signed out.

Alexander is not signed out, but time says 5.30.

William Totman is not signed out, but time says 17.30.

There is a strange symbol beside the name William. (V in box)

Kate’s phone is used again at;

19.45, 20.31, 20,33, 20.37, then at 22.16, twice at 22.23, then 22.24, 22.25, 22.27

All of these get deleted from Kate’s phone.

At 22.30, Mrs Fenn in G5G, claims to hear a child crying below in G5A. - added 29/2 pm

by russiandoll 29.02.12 13:45

considering they were on holiday to relax they sure used their phones an awful lot. they did not seem to stray very far or be apart very much, what could not wait until they were physically together?
about an earlier demise......could a scenario be that Maddie was very seriously hurt earlier that week with the potential for a fatality that went unnoticed? Given the hard floor surfaces, a serious head injury is not outside the bounds of possibility; unless an injury had been witnessed by someone with medical knowledge [ no major visible injuries but keep an eye out for drowsiness[ which Kate made much of about 3rd in her book] and bleeding from ears, nose [ maybe an internal bleed].... might Maddie have suffered a catastrophic head injury, taken a turn for the worse within 24 hours and once realised by the doctors in the grouip, did they then think through the likely consequences for a group of medics who had not been alert to her symptoms and sought a cause for them by taking her to a hospital? They could quite possibly in those circumstances have feared the implications for them and planned a cover up. Not suggesting this happened, just a scenario for a possible accidental injury soon after arriving,followed by her demise.
I guess the creche kept an accident book. Was this ever produced?

by aiyoyo 29.02.12 14:10

As of now I still cant see a death as early as start of the holiday. Earlier than May3rd probably - earliest May 2nd past midnight.
My guess is she suffered a medical condition perhaps something such as autism or asperges syndrome.
A condition that causes her to have fixed habits and to perform fixed actions until she's satisfied. And if anyone should try to stop her she will thrown a tantrum or scream the place down, all that disturbing behaviors are part and parcel of the medical condition.
I suspect it is during one of her routine habits roundabout from one end to the other that she fell while unsupervised.
Or, she was supervised but her involuntary and uncontrollable routine fixated habits drove Kate crazy and she used physical force to restrain her causing her to pull away and the impact of it caused her to fell and bumped her head with fatal consequence.

I suspect she was serially controlled and restrained by use of physical force that left marks throughout her arms or elsewhere that she has to be hidden away from autopsy. That would also explain why the mccanns appear elated despite her disappearance. Only when they know she is not in harm ways of stranger and they no longer are saddled with a less than perfect child that they have reason to be happy without Madeleine. Of course this is my own opinion, nothing to do with this forum, incase mccanns mad dogs are loitering here puffing and salivating.

by Guest 29.02.12 14:53

Madeleine was recorded as being in the creche, right up until 17.30 on the night of the 3rd.

Her nanny Cat Baker would have discussed this and the creche sheets, during her interview with the PJ.

They must have all been OK, as they have been released and not witheld, unlike two of the twins creche sheets.

No nanny reported seeing any bruises or red marks on Madeleine, before that time. No drowsiness, no distress, nothing. Therefore she must have been absolutely fine right up until 17.30 on the 3rd.

Therefore, how could anything of happened to the little girl everyone thought was Madeleine McCann before 17.30 on the 3rd, without anyone noticing a thing?

Why would any records, creche or otherwise, be untrue before 17.30 on the 3rd, if it happened after that time?

You cannot have it both ways. Either, everything was alright, right up until 17.30 on the 3rd. Or it was not.

That is the starting point for any considerations.

by uppatoffee 29.02.12 20:59

Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but Kate's signature on the creche sheets seems odd.

If you look at her signature on the PJ interview sheet for 4th May, she signs Kate Healy, as she described herself in the bewk up to Madeleine's disappearance. The K is quite distinctive.
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Yet on the creche sheet just one day earlier she is signing Madeleine out as Kate McCann.
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The writing between the two entries looks different. If Kate is to be believed when she says she was Healy until 4th May, that would suggest that someone who didn't know this signed Madeleine out on 3rd May as Kate McCann incorrectly.

by Guest 01.03.12 9:13

That's the thing uppatoffee. If someone was signing in/out another persons child, why wold they need to imitate the parents signature? Why not just use their own name for security purposes? It was allowed, according to the nanny Catriona Baker. If a parent had given someone else permission to pick up their child, that was OK as long as the nanny knew about it in advance. Presumably a quick phone call could have organised that in a flash.

by Guest 01.03.12 9:16

Final draft including twins creche information.

Tuesday May 1^st

GM phone 07780 - is silent all day.

Ella is signed in as Emma by Russell at 9.00.

Lily Payne is signed into Jellyfish at 09.05 by David. Minutes elevated.

Ella’s entry also states they were staying in 5B, which is incorrect.

Elizabeth is signed in at 9.10 by Robert.

The twins are signed in at 09.20 by Gerry. The minutes elevated.

Madeleine is the last child to be signed in at 9.30 by Gerry.

Gerry does not leave a telephone number, only ‘tennis’.

At 10.16 Kate’s phone is used (see A below) – gets deleted.

Kate’s phone is also used at 11.56 and 12.17 – gets deleted.

Madeleine is signed out at 12.20 by Gerry, minutes elevated.

The twins are signed out at 12.20 by Kate, minutes elevated.

Lily Payne is signed out of Jellyfish at 12.20 by David, time rises up as it ends.

William Totman is signed out a 12.25, minutes elevated.

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne. ‘Naylor’ rises up as it ends.

Ella is not signed out and someone changes Emma to Ella.

AM and PM roll into one, someone inserts a dark line to separate the sessions.

Madeleine signed in at 14.30 by Gerry.

The twins are signed in at 14.30 by Kate phone 079031. Minutes elevated.

Gerry writes Kate’s mobile number in the contact section. (see A above)

Elizabeth is signed in at 2.30 by Ainne.

This is Elizabeth’s last afternoon visit & she leaves very early that day.

Ella is signed in by ‘Cat nanny’ at 2.30 and rises up as it finishes.

Ella’s entry once again states 5B, instead of 5D.

Tia Patel is signed in at 14.30, Patel rises up as it finishes.

Izzy Carpenter is signed in the wrong crèche group at 2.40 & gets crossed out.

Alexander signed in as Richard Mann at 2.50.

Elizabeth leaves very early and is signed out at 4.00 by Ainne.

Madeleine is not signed out.

The twins are signed out at 17.20 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Alexander is not signed out, but time says 5.30.

William Totman is not signed out, but time says 17.30.

There is a strange symbol beside the name William. (V in box)

Kate’s phone used again at;

19.45, 20.31, 20,33, 20.37, then at 22.16, twice at 22.23, then 22.24, 22.25, 22.27

All of these get deleted from Kate’s phone.

At 22.30, Mrs Fenn in G5G, claims to hear a child crying below, in G5A.

by Guest 01.03.12 15:05

This is a very rough draft of May 2nd. Lots happen that day and I think I might have got confused over the phone activity.

Wednesday May 2^nd

GM phone 07780 - received 16 voicemails that day, then switched phone off.

KM phone 07903 - received 5 voicemails and allegedly 1 wrong number from Swansea.

Dianne Webster claims to have seen the McCann’s at the Millennium for breakfast that day.

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 7.36 twice. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 7.50. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.07 twice. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.50. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.53. – gets deleted

The twins are signed into Jellyfish at 09.10 by Gerry.

Gerry leaves phone 07903 Kate’s and his own 07780.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 9.10. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 9.13. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 9.18. – gets deleted

Ella O’Brien is signed in at 9.30 by Russell.

Once again, room G5B is entered, then changed to G5D.

Elizabeth Naylor is signed in straight after by Robert, but enters 9.20.

Madeleine is signed in next also at 9.20 by Gerry. Minutes elevated.

Gerry leaves two numbers, Kate’s 07903 and his own 07780.

A second line is taken up specifically to write his own phone number.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 10.35. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 10.47. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a call at 11.21 from Swansea, allegedly a wrong number.

The twins are signed out of Jellyfish at 12.25 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 12.35. – gets deleted

Lily Payne is signed out of Jellyfish at 12.40 by David. Minutes elevated.

Ella is signed out at 12.30 by Russell.

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne. ‘Naylor’ now slants to the right.

Madeleine is signed out at 12.30 by ‘Cat nanny’.

Another two children also signed out at 12.30 by ‘Cat nanny’.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.46. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.48. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.59. – gets deleted

AM and PM are separated by a squiggle.

Ella O’Brien is signed in at 2.30 by Russell.

Russell writes the wrong apartment number again, then crosses it out with 5D.

Madeleine is signed in at 14.45 by Kate, minutes elevated.

Alexander Mann arrives at 2.45 and is signed in by ‘Cat nanny’.

Robert Murat’s phone is switched off at 15.45.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 15.49. – is saved

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 15.50. – gets deleted

Ella is signed out at 17.30 by Russell.

Madeleine is signed out at 17.30 by ‘K M Healey’, for the first time that week.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 17.49. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 19. 49. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 20.14. – gets deleted

Other notable events that day;

The cleaner finds the McCann’s still inside their apartment sometime after 10.00 am, the time her shift starts. She notes that one cot was inside the parent’s bedroom. It is moved sometime between then and when the alarm is raised the following day.

by Ribisl 03.03.12 11:50

Stella wrote:Madeleine was recorded as being in the creche, right up until 17.30 on the night of the 3rd.

Her nanny Cat Baker would have discussed this and the creche sheets, during her interview with the PJ.

They must have all been OK, as they have been released and not witheld, unlike two of the twins creche sheets.

No nanny reported seeing any bruises or red marks on Madeleine, before that time. No drowsiness, no distress, nothing. Therefore she must have been absolutely fine right up until 17.30 on the 3rd.

Therefore, how could anything of happened to the little girl everyone thought was Madeleine McCann before 17.30 on the 3rd, without anyone noticing a thing?

Why would any records, creche or otherwise, be untrue before 17.30 on the 3rd, if it happened after that time?

You cannot have it both ways. Either, everything was alright, right up until 17.30 on the 3rd. Or it was not.

That is the starting point for any considerations.

The evidence you have listed here suggests Madeleine was alive till 17.30 on the 3rd. Then it implies something must have happened to her that night but early enough for the cadaver odour to have registered in three areas in and out of the apartment AND to give the MCs time to plan and dispose of the body before alerting the police. This is the most plausible timeline for me, at least for now.

by Guest 03.03.12 13:42

This is the whole week, with as much info about Robert Murat included as I could find. Please let me know if anythings not quite right, or anything I could add to the mix.

Saturday April 28^th

The day of arrival and the welcome meeting. Some of the nannies attended that meeting, to meet the parents of the children they would be looking after. Catriona Baker claimed that the first time she met Gerry and Kate, was at the start of crèche the following day. It would seem then that the McCann’s missed the welcome meeting on the Saturday. Looking at the statements of the other nannies who looked after the twins, they also do not mention seeing the McCann’s on the Saturday.

GM phone activity – no pings, calls or texts that day.

KM phone activity – at 14.30 the signal is picked up, then nothing.

Sunday April 29^th

Catriona Baker in her Rogatory, claims she “had previously written the children’s bracelets which included their name, allergies and relevant information”. But if she had not met them before that morning, how did she know what the allergies and relevant information would be? No tapas child was photographed wearing a bracelet before May 3^rd.

Catriona Baker also states that there was a separate sign in sheet for AM and PM, yet all the ones we have seen are combined.

GM phone – at 10.13 he gets a text message, then nothing further.

KM phone – no activity that day.

Tanner’s mobile was in use at 04.12 am, the other person involved is unknown.

All of the tapas group attends the Millennium restaurant for breakfast.

The twins AM Jellyfish crèche sheet, has been withheld by the PJ.

The lobsters crèche sheet for the 29^th, is not dated.

Lobsters crèche starts at 9.00 am.

Two children arrive at 9.10 and another two at 9.15.

Elizabeth Naylor is signed in as Robert Naylor at 9.10, by Robert Naylor.

Madeleine is the last child to arrive at 9.45, signed in by Kate.

Kate signs Madeleine in leaving her mobile number.

There is no explanation for her late arrival.

Gerry’s get’s a text at 10.13

Ella does not attend that morning, according to Jane, her foot was still sore.

Crèche should finish at 12.30.

Madeleine is the second one to leave at 12.15, signed out by Gerry.

Elizabeth leaves at 12.30, signed out using Ainne Naylor.

AM and PM is separated by a very squiggly line.

Afternoon crèche starts at 14.30.

Elizabeth arrives at 14.40, signed in by Robert Naylor.

Madeleine and Ella arrive at the same time at 14.45 by Gerry & Russell.

Gerry signs Madeleine in leaving his mobile number.

Gerry does not remember doing this. - Statement 10^th May.

Elizabeth Naylor is signed in once again as Robert Naylor, by Robert Naylor.

Someone crosses out both entries of Robert and puts Elizabeth.

Ella is signed out at 3.30 by Russell, just 45 minutes after arriving.

Elizabeth is signed out at 5.20 by Ainne Naylor.

Madeleine is signed out at 17.30 by Kate.

‘McCann’ as written by Gerry in the afternoon, rises up as it finishes.

‘Naylor’ written in and out, also rises up as it finishes.

The corrected name Elizabeth also rises up.

Gerry writes the time 14.45 and the minutes are elevated in a unique style.

Other notable events;

Catriona Baker made a very interesting comment about that first day. “Concerning the little girl, she states that she was an active and sociable child. Only on the first day was she more reticent with the group”. - Statement 6^th May.

Then by her Rogatory Interview, we have a retraction:

“My original deposition also mentioned that Madeleine offered more attention to the boys in the club. I do not remember having made such an affirmation given that Madeleine passed the majority of time playing with Jane Tanner's daughter”.

Monday April 30^th

GM phone 07780 - silent all day.

KM phone 07903 - silent all day.

The twins transfer from Jellyfish to Starfish, for this day only with Shinead.

Gerry signs twins in at 9.20, out at 12.15. Minutes elevated.

Lily is signed in immediately afterwards, but it’s written as 9.10. Minutes elevated.

Madeleine is signed in at 9.30, out at 12.10 by Gerry, minutes elevated.

Ella is signed in at 9.15, out at 12.35 by Russell.

Elizabeth is signed in as Robert leaving no parental signature.

‘Robert’ as written, rises up as it finishes.

‘N’ in Naylor, appears to be the same style as ‘N’ in McCann.

Numbers ‘7 & 8’ in telephone numbers, appears to be the same style.

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne Naylor.

In the afternoon, same page used in lobsters, no squiggle, just one blank line left.

The twins are signed in at 15.25 by Kate and out at 17.20

Kate leaves 2 phone numbers 0790310 & 0778698.

‘Sean’ as seen on the crèche sheet is part printed, part hand written.

Madeleine is signed in at 15.15 by Kate.

Kate leaves 1 phone number 0790310

Madeleine is signed out 15 minutes later at 15.30 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Elizabeth does not attend.

Ella is signed in at 16.00 as R O’Brien, by Russell, location at tapas.

Ella is not signed out.

William Totman at 2.35 is signed in as John and then crossed out.

Alexander Mann not signed in until 4.30.

other events that day:

Robert Murat books his flight from UK to FARO.

Tuesday May 1^st

GM phone 07780 - is silent all day.

KM phone 07903 – receives 14 voicemails, all get deleted.

Ella is signed in as Emma by Russell at 9.00.

Ella’s entry also states they were staying in 5B, which is incorrect.

Lily Payne is signed into Jellyfish at 09.05 by David. Minutes elevated.

Elizabeth is signed in at 9.10 by Robert.

The twins are signed in Jellyfish at 09.20 by Gerry. Minutes elevated.

Madeleine is the last child to be signed in at 9.30 by Gerry.

Gerry does not leave a telephone number, only ‘tennis’.

At 10.16 Kate’s phone is used (see A below) – gets deleted.

Kate’s phone is also used at 11.56 and 12.17 – gets deleted.

Madeleine is signed out at 12.20 by Gerry. Minutes elevated.

The twins are signed out at 12.20 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Lily Payne is signed out of Jellyfish at 12.20 by David, time rises up as it ends.

William Totman is signed out a 12.25. Minutes elevated.

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne. ‘Naylor’ rises up as it ends.

Ella is not signed out and someone changes Emma to Ella.

AM and PM roll into one, someone inserts a dark line to separate the sessions.

Madeleine signed in at 14.30 by Gerry.

The twins are signed in at 14.30 by Kate phone 079031. Minutes elevated.

Gerry writes Kate’s mobile number in the contact section. (see A above)

Elizabeth is signed in at 2.30 by Ainne.

This is Elizabeth’s last afternoon visit & she leaves very early that day.

Ella is signed in by ‘Cat nanny’ at 2.30 and rises up as it finishes.

Ella’s entry once again states 5B, instead of 5D.

Tia Patel is signed in at 14.30, Patel rises up as it finishes.

Izzy Carpenter is signed in the wrong crèche group at 2.40 & gets crossed out.

Alexander signed in as Richard Mann at 2.50.

Elizabeth leaves very early and is signed out at 4.00 by Ainne.

Madeleine is not signed out.

The twins are signed out at 17.20 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Alexander is not signed out, but time says 5.30.

William Totman is not signed out, but time says 17.30.

There is a strange symbol beside the name William. (V in box)

Kate’s phone is used again at;

19.45, 20.31, 20.33, 20.37, then at 22.16, twice at 22.23, then 22.24, 22.25, 22.27

All of these get deleted from Kate’s phone.

Other notable events;

At 22.30, Mrs Fenn in G5G, claims to hear a child crying below, in G5A.

Wednesday May 2^nd

GM phone 07780 - received 16 voicemails that day, then switched phone off.

KM phone 07903 - received 5 voicemails and allegedly 1 wrong number from Swansea.

Dianne Webster claims to have seen the McCann’s at the Millennium for breakfast that day.

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 7.36 twice. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 7.50. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.07 twice. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.50. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.53. – gets deleted

The twins are signed into Jellyfish at 09.10 by Gerry.

Gerry enters phone 07903 Kate’s and his own 07780.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 9.10. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 9.13. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 9.18. – gets deleted

Ella O’Brien is signed in at 9.30 by Russell.

Once again, room G5B is entered, then changed to G5D.

Elizabeth Naylor is signed in straight after by Robert, but enters 9.20.

Madeleine is signed in next also at 9.20 by Gerry. Minutes elevated.

Gerry leaves two numbers, Kate’s 07903 and his own 07780.

A second line is taken up specifically to write his own phone number.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 10.35. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 10.47. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a call at 11.21 from Swansea, allegedly a wrong number.

The twins are signed out of Jellyfish at 12.25 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 12.35. – gets deleted

Lily Payne is signed out of Jellyfish at 12.40 by David. Minutes elevated.

Ella is signed out at 12.30 by Russell.

Elizabeth is signed out at 12.30 by Ainne. ‘Naylor’ now slants to the right.

Madeleine is signed out at 12.30 by ‘Cat nanny’.

Another two children also signed out at 12.30 by ‘Cat nanny’.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.46. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.48. – gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.59. – gets deleted

AM and PM are separated by a squiggle.

Ella O’Brien is signed in at 2.30 by Russell.

Russell writes the wrong apartment number again, then crosses it out with 5D.

Madeleine is signed in at 14.45 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Alexander Mann arrives at 2.45 and is signed in by ‘Cat nanny’.

Robert Murat’s phone switched off at 15.45.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 15.49 – gets saved, phone switched off.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 15.50. – picked up at 20.14, gets deleted

Ella is signed out at 17.30 by Russell.

Madeleine is signed out at 17.30 by ‘K M Healey’, for the first time that week.

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 17.49. – picked up at 20.14, gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 19. 49. – picked up at 20.14, gets deleted

Gerry’s phone receives a voicemail at 20.14. – listens to all, then deletes

Gerry’s phone switched off until 12.24 the next day.

Other notable events that day;

The cleaner finds the McCann’s still inside their apartment sometime after 10.00 am, the time her shift starts. She notes that one cot was inside the parent’s bedroom. It is moved sometime between then and when the alarm is raised the following day.

Thursday May 3^rd

GM phone 07780 - After 88 hours of no calls, he takes a call from Leicester which lasts for only 12 seconds. Then nothing until after the alarm is raised. 4 calls.

KM phone 07903 - received 4 messages, all get deleted. After the alarm is raised, 2 calls

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.23. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 8.24. – gets deleted

The twins Jellyfish records for AM have been withheld by the PJ.

Madeleine is signed in at 9.10 by Gerry. Minutes elevated, leaves his number.

Elizabeth is signed in at 9.10 by Robert. Incorrect name entered and corrected.

Ella is signed in at 9.50 by Russell.

Gerry’s takes an incoming call from Leicester at 12.24. It lasts for only 12 seconds. The phone is then switched off for 10 hours, until after the alarm is raised.

Madeleine is signed out at 12.25 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Elisabeth is not signed out.

Ella is signed out at 12.30 by Russell.

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 12.31. – gets deleted

Kate’s phone receives a voicemail at 13.34. – gets deleted

AM and PM is separated by a squiggly line. Ella is last out AM first in PM.

Ella is signed in at 2.30 by Russell.

The twins are signed in at 14.45 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Both Kate and Gerry’s mobile numbers are left. Stacey & Shinead - 3 children.

Lucy Totman is signed in at 14.50. Minutes elevated.

Madeleine is signed in at 14.50 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Ella is signed out at 4.30 by ‘Cat nanny’.

The twins are signed out as 17.25 by Kate. Minutes elevated.

Lucy Totman is signed out at 17.30. Minutes elevated.

Madeleine is signed out at 17.30 by Kate.

At 22.00 hours approximately, Kate raises the alarm

Kate’s phone is used at 23.14, the same as Gerry’s phone.

Kate’s receives a call from Gerry at 23.17, call gets deleted from Gerry’s phone.

Robert Murat switches his phone back on at 23.20.

Gerry switches his phone back on at 23.40 and is used.

Gerry’s phone used at 23.52

by russiandoll 03.03.12 14:12

this is rather strange, as I remember a photo of one of the twins with a prominent bracelet after May 3rd, Sean was looking through a gate I think. I don't recall seeing any photos of bracelets prior to this date either. I did think initially that maybe if creche had been pre booked alongside the holiday itself, a form had to be filled in with the holiday booking noting any health problems, allergies etc...this is why they were ready, but if that were the case I would have expected to see something prior to 3rd. The famous tennis court photo does not show any id on maddies wrist as far as I can see..... was this statement ever followed up I wonder?

by Guest 04.03.12 9:50

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To write a time with the minutes elevated, is quite a unique style of writing I would have thought.

What are the chances of two very small creche groups, of no more than 4 or 5 children in each, to have two or more people who did just that?

by Guest 04.03.12 9:58

From Catriona Baker’s Rogatory Interview:

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“I believe that the Portuguese police collected the sign-in/out sheets and the registry of activities immediately on the day following the disappearance”.