Re: Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support?

by jd 11.10.12 2:06

tigger wrote:
Rob Royston wrote:
Moa wrote:How can we be so confident of this?

Well, it's a False Flag Child Abduction, it's clear from the excessive media attention surrounding it. The NWO have taken her away as part of a Social Engineering/Propaganda campaign to ensure we allow our children to receive microchip implants. This is why they selected Madeleine as she was from a middle-class medical family, meaning that we are all left thinking "If it could happen to them it could happen to anyone".

Children go missing all of the time, but they keep on wheeling this story back out again as there's an important agenda behind it. Expect Madeleine to be "Found" at the same time as the microchips are ready for our newborns. This is why it's so important that she is alive, as then theoretically the microchip would have enabled her to be tracked down, whereas if she was no longer alive the microchip might not have been enough to save her life.

If you're not convinced, wait and see, then you'll know!

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If this theory were true, and it's as good as any other we have, then it means that the dogs findings were all set up as well. Again, this could be the case. Covering your work they called it in the lodges, or dis-information in the internet lingo.

When I was reading the Goncalo book and came to the bit where he explained his version of the death theory, I suddenly felt uneasy about the whole thing. Was it all a big staged event? Are we all being strung along blindly being softened up to be robbed of even more of our hard won liberties?

I'm quite convinced it was to get on the microchip bandwagon, but also sure that it wasn't a fake abduction or abduction organised for that purpose.
It was simply so badly done - the evidence of abduction so totally missing, that it bears all the hallmarks of someone who thinks he's clever and regards foreigners and simple folk like us as inferior and gullible.
No, imo it served a purpose for just a few individuals and the Fund too was an entirely private affair. The template for this was surely the JonBenet Ramsey murder. So many parallels.
None of the expected 'jobs' were offered, thanks to the fact that the abduction was so impossible to prove. The McCanns were looking for an ambassodorial role for Amber Alert and had probably expected to get the microchip industry to give them another such role.
Instead, by setting up this abduction the exact opposite was achieved. In other words and imo the McCanns were too 'toxic' .

All the meetings they had, people who got involved from the outset, and the visits that gerry mccann made at this time suggest strongly this was the case. This imo was what the mccanns accepted as their part from the Symingtons/OC. And looking at gerry mccann laughing like he had won the lottery within 3 and 9 days shows he was easily persuaded! This also shows why he always this big smirk, he knows the powers behind the scenes would always protect the scam, they had to despite what they really thought of the mccanns

by **tigger** 11.10.12 9:36

It certainly would explain a lot.
Curiously, the diplomatic ties between Portugal go back a very long way, but the economic ties go back even further I believe. As I said before, we have to let go of the 'foreign' angle. Little Britain is was and it in the Algarve.
What's not to like? Sun, golf courses, investments...

by **tigger** 11.10.12 15:44

jd wrote:
All the meetings they had, people who got involved from the outset, and the visits that gerry mccann made at this time suggest strongly this was the case. This imo was what the mccanns accepted as their part from the Symingtons/OC. And looking at gerry mccann laughing like he had won the lottery within 3 and 9 days shows he was easily persuaded! This also shows why he always this big smirk, he knows the powers behind the scenes would always protect the scam, they had to despite what they really thought of the mccanns.
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I suddenly thought: 'That's it, he pulled a fast one and it came off, just - but it came off!' It is so in character!

by jd 11.10.12 17:44

tigger wrote:jd wrote:
All the meetings they had, people who got involved from the outset, and the visits that gerry mccann made at this time suggest strongly this was the case. This imo was what the mccanns accepted as their part from the Symingtons/OC. And looking at gerry mccann laughing like he had won the lottery within 3 and 9 days shows he was easily persuaded! This also shows why he always this big smirk, he knows the powers behind the scenes would always protect the scam, they had to despite what they really thought of the mccanns.
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I suddenly thought: 'That's it, he pulled a fast one and it came off, just - but it came off!' It is so in character!

People only smirk like these when they are 100% sure and confident. Having the powers that are be unable to have the scam exposed is reason enough to feel this confidence and be smirking. Also goes a long way that they make things up as they go along and feel untouchable

by Guest 21.03.13 15:48

jd wrote

Edward Smethurst who is an ambassador of Cancer Research UK and in 2007 mounted a legal challenge to stop the controversial £50 million wind farm development at Scout Moor, Edenfield.

You guys are really putting something very interesting together....Just want to add a couple more facts, mainly using quotes into the equation:

Mark Warner bought into the Ocean Club in PDL in April 2007

Edward Smethurst, the 30-year-old lawyer and millionaire property developer whose latest challenge in 1999 was the chairmanship of the the Law Society’s commerce & industry group. The new chairman of its commerce and industry (C&I) group is fresh-faced Edward Smethurst, senior legal adviser at British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL), who at 30 is by far the youngest person to take up the position.

It was the UK Government who arranged for the McCanns to meet and liaise with a number of European and other word-wide Political leaders to discuss the setting up of an American version of 'Amber Alert'; a child abduction alert system. It is entirely possible, of course that these incidents were merely born out of an association and presumably FREINDSHIP between Gerry McCann and Gordon’s brother, ANDREW Brown, with whom Gerry worked at COMARE. COMARE, (Committee on Medical Aspects of Radiation) is a British Government QUANGO, basically set up to debunk claims by campaigners that certain areas around the vicinity of Power Stations can induce childhood CANCERS.

Gordon Brown is, or at least WAS, a huge supporter and advocate of further Power Station development in the UK and COMARE, (of which his BROTHER Andrew is a Director), was an essential weapon for Brown in allaying any ‘Nuclear fears’ amongst the public. Essentially, along with others, COMARE was “advised” by Gerry McCann.

Does anyone know if GM was involved with COMARE before May 2007

I've posted this on the forum but after reading through all the posts on this thread I think it belongs here.

· 6 years ago

Much has been made of the McCanns government links, and this being the reason for the apparant government cover up surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The usual suspects have been rolled out: the freemasons, illuminati, etc.

The link is far more simple.

Gordon Brown is the prime minister and therefore the man making decisions and signing the cheques.

His brother, Andrew, is the press officer for EDF energy which operates nuclear power stations.

"In November 2005, EFD's Chief Executive, Vincent de Rivaz, told a parliamentary committee that new nuclear power stations could be built within ten years if planning and licensing laws are relaxed."

Gerry McCann is a medical advisor to COMARE, a governemnt committee which monitors radiation in the enviroment.

It's a win, win, win situation. Except of course for those who end up living next door to a nuclear waste depot.

But not to worry because Yvette Cooper is the housing minister, and her father, Tony, is a board member of the Nuclear Decommisioning Authority. Yvette Cooper also happens to be married to Gordon's political chum, Ed Balls.

So all Gerry needs to do to repay Gordon, for getting a case of potential infanticide dropped, is vote through the relaxation of the laws surrounding the operation and commisioning of nuclear power stations. Then Gordon signs the cheques, and his brother gets a bonus for his successful lobbying. Gordon gets paid later in the form of a nice little pension for doing a couple of days work as a director.

Nope there is no corruption in British public life.

peace:)

· 6 years ag

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by **sharonl** 23.04.13 23:02

Just stumbled across a few articles (some in pdf, sorry)

Margaret Hodge is Margaret Oppenheimer

It seems that for some reason the Jews have been funding both the Labour and Conservatives parties with loans, some of which have been questioned as to their legality.

The lenders include PACT charity patron, Vivien Duffield and Lord Levy.

Tony Blair was questioned 3 times in the cash for honours scandal in 2006

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There is an Oppenheimer and a Levy on the board here, but I don't know if there is a connection
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Conservative lenders unveiled

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THE Tories yesterday revealed secret loans worth £26million — nearly twice the amount borrowed by Labour.

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by **sharonl** 06.05.13 22:36

Lord Levy
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Michael Abraham Levy, Baron Levy, (born 11 July 1944) is President of Community Service Volunteers (CSV) Jewish Care, Jewish Free School (JFS) and Jewish Lads' and Girls' Brigade (JLGB).

Levy is a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] member of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and was the chief fundraiser for the UK Labour Party. A long-standing friend of former Prime Minister, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Lord Levy spent nine years from 1998 to 2007 Tony Blair's special envoy to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} being replaced by Gordon Brown's appointee, Michael Williams from September 2007.

Levy was arrested and questioned in connection with the "[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]" inquiry by the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on 12 July 2006 (whereby it was suggested that money was paid to political parties for Honours in particular peerages).^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} In July 2007 the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] dropped the charges against him.

On 12th March 2007, Politics UK ran this report:
Lord Levy 'asked advisers to lie' [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Labour's most senior fund raiser, Lord Levy, is thought to have asked some of the prime minister's advisers to lie to police concerning his involvement in the honours system, the Sunday Times claims.

According to reports in the newspaper, senior No 10 aide Ruth Turner ruled out Lord Levy's suggestion and instead said it would be more "credible" to tell police Lord Levy was used for "advice" and "character references" about potential peers.

Last week a memo thought to have been prepared by Ms Turner for Jonathan Powell, Tony Blair's chief of staff, was leaked to the press. Ms Turner's apparent failure to tell police about the existence of this document is believed to have been behind her arrest earlier this year. The Sunday Times revealed yesterday the document was written following a meeting last summer which Lord Levy, Mr Powell, Ms Turner and John McTernan, Downing Street's director of public relations, all attended.

This is the latest revelation in the cash-for-honours inquiry, which was begun last year and now seems to have developed into an investigation into whether the prime minister's senior advisers attempted to pervert the course of justice. There has been no official statement from the police on how much longer the inquiry will last, officials have suggested it may well continue into April.

On the 22nd March 2007, The Daily Mail ran a report claiming that Cameron says "Levy not victim of anti-Semitism"
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On 26 March 2012, The Mail on line accuses Cameron of hypocrisy when they print this article "Dave and co are just carrying on the legacy left by Labour to access and influence policy"

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Lord Levy and Dame Vivien Duffield are Patrons a number of Jewish charities including "Friends of Israel, Educational Foundation" to which Peter Oppenheimer is Trustee [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

There are a number of Jewish charities were two or all three are present as Trustees, Patrons or Directors

This blog reports that Prominent members of the Jewish community are playing a major role in financing David Cameron’s bid for power, a JC investigation can reveal. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Here is a report which shows how the Jews fund both Labour and the Tories [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Dame Vivien Duffield is Patron to PACT Charity, not the long established "Parents and Children Together" that secure foster care or adoptive homes for children, but "Parents and abducted children together" associated with Missing People charity which were in financial difficulty but found "new beginnings" in early 2007 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] PACT was brought into question over the amount of salaries being paid to its staff, Lady Catherine Meyer and one other allegedly took 93% of the charities income in salaries.

PACT was founded by Lady Meyer and Ernie Allen (was charged with 400 cases of fake kidnap) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Both Pact and Missing people are run by high profile, wealthy people with "honours" also involved are Tony and Cherie Blair, Laura Bush and Hilary Clinton

So we have Lord Levy, Vivien Duffield, and Oppenheimer all fundraising on behalf of both parties and party leaders supporting their charities.

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Emily Oppenheimer Turner, journalist and painter, and William Turner, businessman.^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]}^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} Emily is the granddaughter of Philip Oppenheimer, who ran the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] diamond empire; she is married to William Turner, director of The Hospital Group, Ltd. and former head of Sky Pictures, a division of BSkyB.^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]}^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} William Turner worked as the head of Carlton films at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] during David Cameron's time as director of corporate affairs at Carlton.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Does this explain the unprecedented level of political support?

by **sharonl** 12.05.13 0:30

Julia Hobsbawm - daughter of Marxist Historian, Eric Hobsbawm and fierce Blairite. A close friend and former business partner of Sarah Brown, Hobsbawm appeared on BBC News 24 criticizing the Press and Portugal's treatment of the McCanns: "It is time this country asked questions of the Portuguese police and Portugal itself, else we won’t go on there on holiday any more", she said. She was wrongly introduced on the programme as 'Head of Media Monitoring and Analysis' for the UK Government. Founder of 'Editorial Intelligence' a Mew Media PR company intended to bridge the gap between the two sparring worlds of public relations and journalism. The company puts companies and interest groups in touch with the most powerful figures of the online and offline worlds of opinion (a highly potent lobbying tool)
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Julia Hobsbawm, a proponent of "ethical PR", was a fund-raising consultant for the Labour party before the 1992 election, then co-founded a public relations company with Sarah Macaulay (now married to Gordon Brown) in 1993, though they ended the business partnership last year. Hobsbawm's son, Andy, is an executive for an American internet advertising firm

Both Julia Hobsbawm and Vivien Duffield (PACT charity patron who makes loans to political parties) are directors of The Jewish Community Centre UK [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by **tigger** 12.05.13 6:39

Sarah Brown and Julia Hobshawm are of great interest in the McCann case.
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Extracts:

And this is where it gets very interesting.

Julia Hobsbawm's new company 'Editorial Intelligence' specialises in analysing and exploiting comment and opinion in both print and online media. In simple terms, 'Editorial Intelligence' helps realise the potential of controlling the shape and fabric of public opinion and (d)ebate by controlling what is published in comment areas, forum areas, letters pages and message boards. They have even coined a new word for the online/published British public; they call it the 'Commentariat' (a play upon the word 'Proletariat' - originally coined to describe the lower or working classes).

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Editorial Intelligence is a new-media PR company. Amoungst other things these kind of PR companies employ people to write press releases, sit in forums, write letters, post comments - all with the expressed purpose of directing public opinion and safe-guarding the interests and reputations of companies or people in the public eye.

Ever wondered why there are so many pro-mccann forum members even now? PR companies like Editorial Intelligence.
Ever wondered who the phrase 'trolls' and 'keyboard monkeys' really refer to? PR companies like Editorial Intelligence.
Ever wondered why all the comments, letters and opinion pieces in newspapers like the Daiy Mail are unaccountably Pro-McCann? PR companies like Editorial Intelligence.

Companies like Editorial Intelligence literally employ people to sit in forums, write letters and posts comments. Naturally, this is somewhat of an over-simplification - but these ARE nethertheless - some of their more proactive tasks.

The brief has been to give the impression that the weight of public opinion favours sympathy toward the McCanns: to shape the heart and minds of the 'Commentariat' and apply peer pressure on public opinion.

And what's more, Gordon Brown's wife, Sarah Brown and Julia Hobsbawm are the people most likely to be responsible.

Rather tellingly, clients of 'Editorial Intelligence' include SKY News and the General Medical Council.

(Julia Hobsbawm is also a trustee of the Jewish Community Centre for London - supported by none other than Sir Philip Green - loaner of jet and reward provider to the McCanns)
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Brown and Hobsbawm's (Hobshawm Macauly) PR company specialised in reputation 'recovery'. (Not the exact phrase - can't find it right now)

by plebgate 12.05.13 8:46

Snipped from Tigger's post:

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Brown and Hobsbawm's (Hobshawm Macauly) PR company specialised in
reputation 'recovery'. (Not the exact phrase - can't find it right now)"

At the end of the day, no PR person/s can defend the indefensible.

No PR person would convince me that it was ok to leave so many children alone in those apartments for most of the holiday.

No PR person would convince me that it was ok to leave the patio door unlocked with children inside whilst the parents went out wining and dining.

No PR person would convince me that it was ok to not answer questions the police asked if it meant that my child might possibly be found and brought back to us having been snatched by a predator.

To me the actions above are indefensible and to then accept money from the general public to be paid into a fund where the parents of a missing child can make mortgage repayments is indefensible also.

by dotdot 18.10.13 1:13

".......buying a book does not give us the power to "know" the truth, as if it was a chip that is implanted in us,...."

A Estrela de Madeleine
by Paulo Pereira Cristovão,

by Guest 12.01.14 9:51

Tony Bennett wrote:
Stella wrote:Thanks to the Portuguese Police and the release of the guest lists, we have now come to piece together, that one of the people socialising with Kate and Gerry McCann that week, is very closely related to the Right Honourable Margaret Hodge MBE, MP.

REST SNIPPED
I think it's important for this discussion that we now identify the person closely related to Margaret ('Lady') Hodge who was at Praia da Luz with the McCanns that week, for his name is publicly available in the files: Mr Philip Martin Edmonds. He is Margaret Hodge's nephew.

Mr Edwards has a fascinating family history. Born on 31 August 1962 according to his entry on Geni.Com, he married Reina Hazenberg and they have three boys, all of whom were out with Philip in Praia da Luz for the week the McCanns were there. But not his wife Reina, so it seems. We also know from the Portuguese Police files that he mysteriously jetted off to Switzerland, where he lives, early on Friday morning (4 May 2011), apparnetly cutting short his holiday just as news was surfacing that a child had been abducted from Praia da Luz.

Visit the website of Stemcor.com, the world's largest steel company, with a turnover measured in billions, and Philip Edmonds' name again comes up as one of their 11-strong Board of Directors.

How did Philip Edmonds get so far? A clue is apparent from the same Stemcor.com website: Philips' Uncle Ralph - Ralph Oppenheimer - is also on the Stemcor Board.

Indeed, Stemcor, as a brief internet search reveals, is an Oppenheimer family business.

All this has come about because Philip's father, Herbert Edmonds, made a wise choice in marrying into the Oppenheimer family.

Hannah Oppenheimer was the eldest of five children of Hans Oppenheimer and his wife Lisbeth Hollitscher, an Austrian Jewess. Hans was born in Stuttgart, Germany but fled to Alexandria in the mid-1930s as Hitler's anti-Semitic Nazi regime was stepping up its persecution of Jews, in the lead-up to World War II.

His first four children, including Hannah, and of course her sister Margaret Eve Hodge, nee Oppenheimer, were all born in Alexandria, Egypt, Hodge being born on 8 September 1944 in Alexandria, Hannah three years later in Orpington, Kent. Hannah still lives in Kent (see below).

In the 1980s, Margaret Hodge did two things that made her famous (or infamous). She married Sir Henry Hodge (her second marriage), and became known as Margaret Hodge. And she became a prominent Labour Councillor in left-wing Islington, where she was later notorious for covering up extensive child abuse in what became known as the 'Islington Children's Home Scandal', fully exposed in the 1990s (there's a lot about this on the internet).

In 2003, despite this appalling record, Prime Minister Tony Blair made her Britain's first-ever 'Minister for Children' (!)

Lady Hodge inherited a substantial slice of the Oppenheimer fortune, and is one of Britain's wealthiest women; despite that, she claimed excessive Parliamentary expenses from us, the British taxpayers (see reports on the MPs' expenses scandal).

Philip's father and mother, Herbert and Hannah Edmonds, aged 81 and 74 resepctively, live in Bromley, Kent. Philip is beleived to be based in Switzerland.

Hannah Oppenheimer's father Hans was the son of Salomon Oppenheimer, born 1871 in Ohringen, west Germany, and in turn Salomon is the son of Abraham Oppenheimer, who in turn was the son of another Abraham Oppenheimer, from one of the many branches of this powerful German-Hewish family.

Edmonds is not an English name, it's an anglicised version of the German 'Emsheimer'. Philip Edmonds' father, Herbert Emsheimer, was born in Karlsruhe, wast Germany, in 1930, and the family changed their name to Edmonds on arriving in England.

Why Philip Edmonds should choose Praia da Luz as his choice of holiday venue for the week 28 April to 5 May 2007 is not known. And there is no explanation as to why Edmonds and his three sons jetted away from Praia da Luz on the morning of Friday 4 May 2007, just as the British public were tuning in to the news and learning that a British girl had been mysteriously abducted.

I wrote to Mr Edmonds recently about some of these matters and received this courteous but brief reply:

Dear Mr Bennett,

I am in receipt of your letter of 22 July regarding Madeleine McCann. I am sure you would appreciate that it would not be appropriate for me to comment too much, as we do not know each other, and I have no idea what your connection to the case is. However, I would also not want further conspiracy theories to fester by simply ignoring your letter.

Therefore, I can confirm that whatever information I had (including some photos of my sons taken on the day Madeleine disappeared, which showed her in the background) was passed both to the police and to the McCanns at the time. Having been in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and seen all of the events first hand, there is not one shred of doubt in my mind that the events as reported were correct.

In fact one of the most terrible parts of this tragedy is that there are people out there who are questioning this, just adding further to the nightmare that the McCann family have suffered. I cannot imagine anything crueller.

I’m afraid I won’t enter into further correspondence on this matter with you.

Yours sincerely,

Philip Edmonds

Having seen all of the events first hand?

wft

by Doug D 12.01.14 11:50

The flying out early may not be relevant if that was pre-booked according to his plans.
Mark Warner Arrivals sheet shows he flew in from Gatwick but:

‘Client resides in Switzerland and will most likely not be taking our return flight. He will let management know upon arrival.’

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or he could have done a quick runner, not wishing to get involved or be identified by the gathering press.

However, boys 6,7,8,
‘Childcare reserved for all three children. Verified by Emma’
Why were three boys of that age apparently taken out of school (or not if boarding/private school with longer holidays week before Whitsun?) & dumped in childcare for the week. It doesn’t look as if he should have been concerned about the price for a ‘cheap’ week. Was it a good ‘activity holiday’ for the boys for the week?
Why was he actually there?
Why would he use such a facility? He only booked a two bed apartment, so its not as if he had a luxury penthouse apartment or something at the place.

Surely these should be easy questions with easy answers for PJ or SY with no obvious reasons not to answer.
If not why not?

by Guest 12.01.14 11:56

Repeat: Edmonds affirms he has seen the events at first hand

Which events could those have been?

by Guest 12.01.14 12:02

No wonder he's keeping his mouth shut then!

by Guest 12.01.14 12:05

I am becoming more and more cynical about just what was going on at that MW complex that particular week, and why all these well-to-do people were attracted to the 'event', if there was one. It is very, very strange indeed that a man with the wealth of Edmonds chooses to go there. It's like Richard Branson booking a room in a Campanile. DP organized the holiday, didn't he?

by haroldd2 29.01.14 13:58

Dee Coy wrote:I am becoming more and more cynical about just what was going on at that MW complex that particular week, and why all these well-to-do people were attracted to the 'event', if there was one. It is very, very strange indeed that a man with the wealth of Edmonds chooses to go there. It's like Richard Branson booking a room in a Campanile. DP organized the holiday, didn't he?

MW Holidays may well have another function than just providing relaxation.

Have you looked at the company's history? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. How common is that? The big successful dotcoms spent up to 90% of their venture capital on advertising while building up their recognition and not making any profits, but that only went on for a few years, not 16.

I smell spookery.

by Hicks 29.01.14 18:14

Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

by Guest 29.01.14 18:27

Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

***
If they're all boys, it's not that strange ... winkwink

by Hicks 29.01.14 18:49

Something is definitely wrong here, Mr Phillip Edmonds claims he handed over a photo he took of his sons, with Madeleine in the background, but more importantly, the very day she went missing. According to RO Madeleine was definitely not around that day. How come we have not seen this all important photo of M? Was it taken after or before the pool photo? After or before the tennis photo?

by Guest 29.01.14 22:49

I rather suspect that, if this photo ever existed, it's likely to be a grainy image of a child who could be any of the little blonde girls who were in PDL that week.

I certainly don't see anything unusual in the ages of the Edmonds children - just thankful though that I didn't have 3 in 2 years!

by **tigger** 30.01.14 6:16

Hicks wrote:Something is definitely wrong here, Mr Phillip Edmonds claims he handed over a photo he took of his sons, with Madeleine in the background, but more importantly, the very day she went missing. According to RO Madeleine was definitely not around that day. How come we have not seen this all important photo of M? Was it taken after or before the pool photo? After or before the tennis photo?

If looked at separately that schoolboy type letter of support and the one photograph (why not more? Holiday, snaps, digital,one?) are strange but as time went on and the press still able to print what they liked, other helpful people came out of the woodwork. E.g. Weinberger who remembered a shady character.
So it looks to me that these certificates of the truth according to TM were produced as and when needed.

Another point: holiday snaps were 'requested' from all the guests - now allegedly Maddie went with the creche to the beach, went swimming, played tennis, went on a boat and not a single parent snapped her together or in the background with their own children?
I would certainly want a picture of my toddler in a lifejacket for the first time in a boat. In fact I wouldn't have trusted any nanny to keep her safe - I would have to be there.
The group was small, only seven or so in the Lobsters, so where are the pictures? It seems the only one was Edmunds' boys with Maddie in the bacground ( how far?) who imo wasn't there. Nice touch to have this other proof for that important date.

Eta: busy day the 3rd, Maddie changing clothes three times at least. Not including those pyjamas.

by Doug D 30.01.14 8:42

KM already got her retaliation in about lack of photos from other parent's etc in the bewk on P. 64 where she talks about another guest filming his own daughter with a video camera feeling like a dirty old man, paedophiles, paranoia, not being able to take photos of your own kids in swimming pools etc.to cover this scenario.

by Liz Eagles 30.01.14 8:52

I remember a big discussion on the UK daytime telly sofas introducing a new wristband/detector to stick on your childrens' wrists/ankles when you go on holiday so you don't lose them on the beach.

Scaremongering with an agenda was my first reaction.

by Hicks 30.01.14 16:44

tigger wrote:
Hicks wrote:Something is definitely wrong here, Mr Phillip Edmonds claims he handed over a photo he took of his sons, with Madeleine in the background, but more importantly, the very day she went missing. According to RO Madeleine was definitely not around that day. How come we have not seen this all important photo of M? Was it taken after or before the pool photo? After or before the tennis photo?

If looked at separately that schoolboy type letter of support and the one photograph (why not more? Holiday, snaps, digital,one?) are strange but as time went on and the press still able to print what they liked, other helpful people came out of the woodwork. E.g. Weinberger who remembered a shady character.
So it looks to me that these certificates of the truth according to TM were produced as and when needed.

Another point: holiday snaps were 'requested' from all the guests - now allegedly Maddie went with the creche to the beach, went swimming, played tennis, went on a boat and not a single parent snapped her together or in the background with their own children?
I would certainly want a picture of my toddler in a lifejacket for the first time in a boat. In fact I wouldn't have trusted any nanny to keep her safe - I would have to be there.
The group was small, only seven or so in the Lobsters, so where are the pictures? It seems the only one was Edmunds' boys with Maddie in the bacground ( how far?) who imo wasn't there. Nice touch to have this other proof for that important date.

Eta: busy day the 3rd, Maddie changing clothes three times at least. Not including those pyjamas.

I agree tigger. Also you have to ask yourself WHY Edmonds would feel the need to give support (lie) for the McCann's who, after all, were strangers to him.......weren't they?
strangers ?

by Woofer 30.01.14 17:05

Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

They are his sons. I won`t name them, even though they are listed in the BMD index. First one born Sept 1998 in Westminster, second one born November 1999 Westminster, third one born January 2001 Southwark.

I had 3 sons in 14 months. !!

by Woofer 30.01.14 17:09

Remember a lot of holiday makers probably sent their snaps direct to the McCanns, even Philip Edmonds says he did. Didn`t the McCanns ask everyone to send their snaps to them quite early on?

by Guest 30.01.14 21:32

Woofer wrote:Remember a lot of holiday makers probably sent their snaps direct to the McCanns, even Philip Edmonds says he did. Didn`t the McCanns ask everyone to send their snaps to them quite early on?

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And to CEOPS. But I cannot remember any update from them ...

by Guest 30.01.14 22:16

Woofer wrote:
Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

They are his sons. I won`t name them, even though they are listed in the BMD index. First one born Sept 1998 in Westminster, second one born November 1999 Westminster, third one born January 2001 Southwark.

I had 3 sons in 14 months. !!

Woofer - 3 sons in 14 months. That's plausible with different mothers. Is that how you managed it? laughat

Or... twins?

by Woofer 31.01.14 9:11

Ladyinred wrote:
Woofer wrote:
Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

They are his sons. I won`t name them, even though they are listed in the BMD index. First one born Sept 1998 in Westminster, second one born November 1999 Westminster, third one born January 2001 Southwark.

I had 3 sons in 14 months. !!
Woofer - 3 sons in 14 months. That's plausible with different mothers. Is that how you managed it?

Or... twins?

One, then twins. smilie