Re: Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support?

by Anders 29.11.11 18:25

russiandoll wrote:I am no fan of Gerry McCann but the overdraft quote is a misquote as I posted elsewhere on the forum some weeks ag, I will try to find and re-post here.
While still rather bizarre, the empty bank I recall from his actual words referred to the empty feeling when he had nothing left emotionally........he has never described, as I have read in numerous places, the feeling of finding his daughter gone, to finding he was overdrawn on his student loan.
Taken out of context and misquoted, these words sound especially dreadful.........but were not what he said.
welcome here btw........its a great place for research and discussion.

OK many thanks, I wonder what the real answer was? I do recall GM answered questions in the immediate aftermath, whilst KM refused to answer 48 - now, whilst we all have the right to say 'no comment' in case we are wrongfully incriminated, when a child's life is in a mortal threat any legal desire to protect oneself surely must go completely out the window?

I find it bizarre one would answer questions and the other not, perhaps they were not allowed to confer before or during the interview/s...

by Anders 29.11.11 18:34

Stella wrote:Most things can be found in our library Anders, but here is a copy of one of the the questions put forward to 10 Downing Street and a copy of the letter received by the Madeleine Foundation to confirm the registration.

Why was there an entry against Dr Gerald McCann in the Child Abuse section of Leicestershire Police CATS system, and why is the entry now blank? CATS is the ‘Case Adminsitration and Tracking System’, developed in response to Recommendation 104 in Lord Laming’s report into the death of Victoria Climbie, which recommended a national child abuse database. It is now used by more than a dozen police forces. The following is an extract from a statement made by Detective Constable Hughes to the Portuguese Police on 16 May 2008. For some reason this was over a year after Madeleine was reported missing:

Leicestershire Police Force

From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES

To: SIO, Operation Task Department:

Main Criminal Unit

Date: 16th May 2008

Ref: Background Information – Kate McCann

Dear Sirs,

In response to your letter of request, I can provide the following information regarding the above-mentioned subject.

[PART OF REPORT SNIPPED]

Kate McCann was born on March 5, 1968 in Merseyside...

Searches made of the local section of child abuse investigation shows a registration number 19309 in CATS (system of action location). A consultation with DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.

Many thanks, this now begs the question as to why the ref number is now blank/removed? Sounds like MI5 to me, they have that kind of authority. Sounds like KM at some point was flagged up to social services/police/or another agency as deemed fit to have a reference file set up, active or not.

I hope Detective Amaral makes full use of the disclosure proceedings in his case. It seems that the McCanns woud be loath to sue anyone (eg the Gazpar doctors) in the UK as all medical files and background details, bank account, CATS registration etc etc etc - all would be revealed (or not, in the case of MI5/others erasing stuff and rewriting history...)...

by Anders 29.11.11 18:45

One more thought about one of the scrolling banners, the excuse that KM gave as to the reason foe the cadaverine smell on cuddly kat, that she had it about her person whilst in the vicinity of six dead bodies a week or more earlier, each possibly having God only knows what dreadful decomposition diseases/open infected wounds etc, plus the fact that MRSA is highly contagious and endemic in all our UK hospitals - the fact that KM would then give this ticking time-bomb to a beautiful little 3 year old to cuddle and sleep with just beggars belief!!!
I'm reminded of how a great many native american indians were genocided back in the 17/1800s, via the gifts of blankets infected with smallpox/tb/etc etc etc...

by Guest 29.11.11 18:53

I think that this question has arisen before but are we quite sure that the six corpses story isn't a forum myth? I know it's mentioned in various blogs but I haven't seen anything which really substantiates it. I have heard that it was a quote from Kate's mother so if anyone can nail it down that will be good.

by Guest 29.11.11 18:56

Article here in the archives Marian, it was written in the papers so it must be true big grin

- but it is not a forum myth.

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by **Jill Havern** 29.11.11 19:01

Marian wrote:I think that this question has arisen before but are we quite sure that the six corpses story isn't a forum myth? I know it's mentioned in various blogs but I haven't seen anything which really substantiates it. I have heard that it was a quote from Kate's mother so if anyone can nail it down that will be good.

The family GP has insisted she came into contact with at least SIX dead bodies before going on holiday with her husband and three children.

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by Daisy 29.11.11 19:16

Here's another example of a 'forum myth' the hardcore McCann supporters blame on this site.

"Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken
from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper.
That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was
asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment.

When her mum Kate, 38, tucked Madeleine into bed, the four-year-old
was cuddling the toy - but it was later found placed on a ledge that
Madeleine could not have reached."

Shockingly untrue article by Lori Campbell:

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by Gillyspot 29.11.11 19:29

Thanks for the share Daisy.

Interesting that it is in the Sun.

I thought that they'd "whooshed all the "lies" from their site.

by Guest 29.11.11 19:33

Daisy wrote:Here's another example of a 'forum myth' the hardcore McCann supporters blame on this site.

"Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken
from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper.
That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was
asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment.

When her mum Kate, 38, tucked Madeleine into bed, the four-year-old
was cuddling the toy - but it was later found placed on a ledge that
Madeleine could not have reached."

Shockingly untrue article by Lori Campbell:

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Yes shockingly untrue, - now where on earth would she get a story like that.............. winkwink

by jd 29.11.11 19:41

Oh Lori Campbell, the one who tried so hard to stitch up Robert Murat....For a reporter she certainly seems to getting herself quite involved in this right from the start, I can see right through her

The article was written on 12th August 2007 and trying really too hard to rubbish anything against the mccanns & its main objective. No doubt she has been invited to Rothley for a private rendez-vous at some stage. I have always thought she was another plant in this and was she the Campbell booked in at Ocean Club on 2nd May 2007?

The simple question Lori Campbell should be asking, as any unbiased honest reporter would. If cuddlecat was taken from Maddie and placed on the ledge by an abductor....why on earth is kate mccann washing it a few days later? No wonder there was no DNA in the apartment!

by Gillyspot 29.11.11 19:58

Interesting also that Lori Campell suddenly found enough money to go on a year long round the world tour with Ross Hall after the McCanns' were released from their arguido status.

by russiandoll 29.11.11 20:04

sorry if dense, absent last 2 weeks due to illness......wasn't c cat found on a bed by police, not on the ledge?

and yes it is implausible that a doctor would give her daughter a toy to cuddle that had had contact with corpses.
also implausible that a grown woman would take a child's toy to work unless bereaved and maybe had to have a remembrance close at all times.
was she arguing transferred odour from corpses when she then touched the toy after handling the bodies?
a heck of a lot of deaths attended by a part time gp in a matter of weeks.
there will be supporting docs if this was so....death certs signed by her or coroner referral forms if she was unable to certify a death herself.

by Invinoveritas 29.11.11 20:32

snippet from Daisy: When her mum Kate, 38, tucked Madeleine into bed, the four-year-old
was cuddling the toy - but it was later found placed on a ledge that
Madeleine could not have reached." end snippet

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Pictures taken in the early hours of 04/05/2007, Cuddlecat is in/on the bed wrapped in a pink blanket, Madeleine tucked up in bed? No way!

The covers would look completely different

by aiyoyo 30.11.11 4:21

When they planned their abduction tale they forgot little detail like how a bed should look like in a real situation.
They also forgot to check that shutters could not be opened from outside without waking the whole neighbourhood.

This is why there is no such thing as a perfect crime.

by Guest 08.01.12 16:00

Do you remember our friend Philip Edmonds from the Oppenhiemer family and the company Stemcor?

The nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge MP.

With thanks to Stewie, we can see that originally, according to the MW booking sheets, he was due to arrive on the 28th April.

Looking at the OC list printed on the 27th, for arrivals on the 28th, he is still down for arrival on the 28th.

But for some unknown reason, when we look at the OC lists run on the 8th May, he is now down as having arrived on the 29th.

This is the one who also left one day earlier than booked on the 4th, but the OC daily sheets do not show this. How mysterious !!!

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by **tigger** 02.03.12 15:36

From the sticky: would this account for the high level of political support?'

Stella wrote:

I think you are deliberately missing the point greenwatch.

Mr Edmonds claims to have taken photo's of his boys with Madeleine in the background. A man with 3 boys age 6, 7 and 8, would not be in the play area for toddlers.

by Guest 02.03.12 16:09

tigger wrote:From the sticky: would this account for the high level of political support?'

Stella wrote:

I think you are deliberately missing the point greenwatch.

Mr Edmonds claims to have taken photo's of his boys with Madeleine in the background. A man with 3 boys age 6, 7 and 8, would not be in the play area for toddlers.

During the discussion of where Mr Edmonds was when he took this photo, the following things was considered. The McCann's never went to breakfast. The children were all in creche groups for the under 4's. The McCann's always had lunch in their apartment. They never took the children to the tapas restaurant and allegedly they left the children in their own apartments every night. So the question after the above statement was, where could he have been when this photo was taken.

by russiandoll 02.03.12 17:12

possibly the poolside area? Kate made at least one reference to members of the tapas bunch lounging around near the tapas area of the pool ,maybe the children were there also........they took their tea- time meal there around 5 acccording to statments.

by Guest 02.03.12 17:19

Philip Edmonds and his boys, all had dinner in the tapas that night at 7pm.

by russiandoll 02.03.12 17:26

might that man not have been hanging around chatting to adults he had befriended while their younger children had the high tea? maybe his lads were having a late afternoon/ early evening swim..just thinking of possibilities.
werent the McCanns at the beach on family time one day.......... maybe he was there with his children then?

by flaxyard 16.03.12 13:50

I have just read through this whole thread and slightly off the main discussion point are the two pictures of the bedroom supposed to be the crimescene? Where are the toys, wet towels, pants, random socks, milk cups etc. Those with two or more children will no this scenario well! Its impossibly clean and tidy!!!

by Guest 30.03.12 12:48

How can we be so confident of this?

Well, it's a False Flag Child Abduction, it's clear from the excessive media attention surrounding it. The NWO have taken her away as part of a Social Engineering/Propaganda campaign to ensure we allow our children to receive microchip implants. This is why they selected Madeleine as she was from a middle-class medical family, meaning that we are all left thinking "If it could happen to them it could happen to anyone".

Children go missing all of the time, but they keep on wheeling this story back out again as there's an important agenda behind it. Expect Madeleine to be "Found" at the same time as the microchips are ready for our newborns. This is why it's so important that she is alive, as then theoretically the microchip would have enabled her to be tracked down, whereas if she was no longer alive the microchip might not have been enough to save her life.

If you're not convinced, wait and see, then you'll know!

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by turnaround 30.03.12 13:11

Moa wrote:How can we be so confident of this?

Well, it's a False Flag Child Abduction, it's clear from the excessive media attention surrounding it. The NWO have taken her away as part of a Social Engineering/Propaganda campaign to ensure we allow our children to receive microchip implants. This is why they selected Madeleine as she was from a middle-class medical family, meaning that we are all left thinking "If it could happen to them it could happen to anyone".

Children go missing all of the time, but they keep on wheeling this story back out again as there's an important agenda behind it. Expect Madeleine to be "Found" at the same time as the microchips are ready for our newborns. This is why it's so important that she is alive, as then theoretically the microchip would have enabled her to be tracked down, whereas if she was no longer alive the microchip might not have been enough to save her life.

If you're not convinced, wait and see, then you'll know!

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Actually I wouldn't put it past the PTB to come up with something so twisted. In fact I think I'm leaning this way.
They have done it for thousands of years.
Wasn't it a Roman Historian ( I forgot his name was it Tacticus?) said people in power engineer problems. Manipulate events, create a problem and wait for a reaction, then offer the solution? a solution that fits their agenda, one that has been worked out to perfection. One that we have to pay for?
Then i ask why didn't they just market little Ben Needham at the time? It would have saved madeleine,
And I am doomed to remember Roosevelt's quote...

'In politics, nothing happens by chance'

by tuom 03.04.12 0:30

flaxyard wrote:I have just read through this whole thread and slightly off the main discussion point are the two pictures of the bedroom supposed to be the crimescene? Where are the toys, wet towels, pants, random socks, milk cups etc. Those with two or more children will no this scenario well! Its impossibly clean and tidy!!!

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by listener 03.04.12 1:10

tuom wrote:
flaxyard wrote:I have just read through this whole thread and slightly off the main discussion point are the two pictures of the bedroom supposed to be the crimescene? Where are the toys, wet towels, pants, random socks, milk cups etc. Those with two or more children will no this scenario well! Its impossibly clean and tidy!!!

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FAR too much order for a family of five - (in a wee appartment) !

by Rob Royston 07.10.12 16:15

Moa wrote:How can we be so confident of this?

Well, it's a False Flag Child Abduction, it's clear from the excessive media attention surrounding it. The NWO have taken her away as part of a Social Engineering/Propaganda campaign to ensure we allow our children to receive microchip implants. This is why they selected Madeleine as she was from a middle-class medical family, meaning that we are all left thinking "If it could happen to them it could happen to anyone".

Children go missing all of the time, but they keep on wheeling this story back out again as there's an important agenda behind it. Expect Madeleine to be "Found" at the same time as the microchips are ready for our newborns. This is why it's so important that she is alive, as then theoretically the microchip would have enabled her to be tracked down, whereas if she was no longer alive the microchip might not have been enough to save her life.

If you're not convinced, wait and see, then you'll know!

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If this theory were true, and it's as good as any other we have, then it means that the dogs findings were all set up as well. Again, this could be the case. Covering your work they called it in the lodges, or dis-information in the internet lingo.

When I was reading the Goncalo book and came to the bit where he explained his version of the death theory, I suddenly felt uneasy about the whole thing. Was it all a big staged event? Are we all being strung along blindly being softened up to be robbed of even more of our hard won liberties?

by **tigger** 07.10.12 17:30

Rob Royston wrote:
Moa wrote:How can we be so confident of this?

Well, it's a False Flag Child Abduction, it's clear from the excessive media attention surrounding it. The NWO have taken her away as part of a Social Engineering/Propaganda campaign to ensure we allow our children to receive microchip implants. This is why they selected Madeleine as she was from a middle-class medical family, meaning that we are all left thinking "If it could happen to them it could happen to anyone".

Children go missing all of the time, but they keep on wheeling this story back out again as there's an important agenda behind it. Expect Madeleine to be "Found" at the same time as the microchips are ready for our newborns. This is why it's so important that she is alive, as then theoretically the microchip would have enabled her to be tracked down, whereas if she was no longer alive the microchip might not have been enough to save her life.

If you're not convinced, wait and see, then you'll know!

[url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread799055/pg1
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If this theory were true, and it's as good as any other we have, then it means that the dogs findings were all set up as well. Again, this could be the case. Covering your work they called it in the lodges, or dis-information in the internet lingo.

When I was reading the Goncalo book and came to the bit where he explained his version of the death theory, I suddenly felt uneasy about the whole thing. Was it all a big staged event? Are we all being strung along blindly being softened up to be robbed of even more of our hard won liberties?

I'm quite convinced it was to get on the microchip bandwagon, but also sure that it wasn't a fake abduction or abduction organised for that purpose.
It was simply so badly done - the evidence of abduction so totally missing, that it bears all the hallmarks of someone who thinks he's clever and regards foreigners and simple folk like us as inferior and gullible.
No, imo it served a purpose for just a few individuals and the Fund too was an entirely private affair. The template for this was surely the JonBenet Ramsey murder. So many parallels.
None of the expected 'jobs' were offered, thanks to the fact that the abduction was so impossible to prove. The McCanns were looking for an ambassodorial role for Amber Alert and had probably expected to get the microchip industry to give them another such role.
Instead, by setting up this abduction the exact opposite was achieved. In other words and imo the McCanns were too 'toxic' .