Re: 60 Reasons why the McCanns should never have published THAT photo (the 'MAKE-UP '/ Lolita photo)

by plebgate 15.05.14 7:36

How anyone can leave 3 beautiful, innocent, defenceless children on their own I cannot fathom.

Not forgetting of course the other children in the holiday group were also left.

by rainbow-fairy 15.05.14 8:04

Hope this works - its my first attempt

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by Guest 15.05.14 9:00

I'm not convinced the photos are even of the same child.

by rainbow-fairy 15.05.14 9:28

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I'm not convinced the photos are even of the same child.

Well no, its possible they aren't - I'm not convInced of much in this case, bar Maddie was no longer with us pre-alarm May 3rd 2007!

ETA - could you help on 'Photos Revisited' thread please NFWTD? I seem to have inadvertently caused some cnfusion about the origins of 'make-up' photo, thanks

by Guest 15.05.14 9:33

What you've said there is okay - that the three highly inappropriate photos were part of the 2010 anniversary video - or have I missed something else?.

by Guest 15.05.14 9:38

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:What you've said there is okay - that the three highly inappropriate photos were part of the 2010 anniversary video - or have I missed something else?.

I think rainbow fairy was referring to me on the other thread.

I wanted to know if that MBM make up pic was a still taken from video footage or just a photograph?

Think it created some confusion.

P.s - do you know if it was a still from video footage or just a photograph?

by rainbow-fairy 15.05.14 11:38

Andrew77R wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:What you've said there is okay - that the three highly inappropriate photos were part of the 2010 anniversary video - or have I missed something else?.
I think rainbow fairy was referring to me on the other thread.

I wanted to know if that MBM make up pic was a still taken from video footage or just a photograph?

Think it created some confusion.

P.s - do you know if it was a still from video footage or just a photograph?

Thanks Andrew, yes that's what I meant - I'm having a bad day laughat

Though, even if 'photos' inserted into video, they *could* still be from an original video?
I have many of my one year old I've taken from video as screenshots. I get better, less blurry results -he moves too fast for my cameraphone!

by Rufus T 19.08.14 20:09

The first time I saw this photo I knew that it reminded me of something I had seen as a child but I could not bring to mind what it was. Now I know exactly what it reminded me of, due to the case last year, a photograph by Graham Ovenden by the name of Sam (1972).

I have not worked out how to post an image yet but if you google the artists name and the title of the work you will be able to see for yourself - it's the head tilted back and the demeanour of the girl that struck a chord.

by **Nina** 19.08.14 20:15

Rufus T wrote:The first time I saw this photo it I knew that it reminded me of something I had seen as a child but I could not bring to mind what it was. Now I know exactly what it reminded me of, due to the case last year, a photograph by Graham Ovenden by the name of Sam (1972).

I have not worked out how to post an image yet but if you google the artists name and the title of the work you will be able to see for yourself - it's the head tilted back and they demeanour of the girl that struck a chord.

Yes Rufus, I know the one you mean, a black and white photo, most disturbing and I too unable to post it.

by Hicks 19.08.14 20:29

Nina wrote:
Rufus T wrote:The first time I saw this photo it I knew that it reminded me of something I had seen as a child but I could not bring to mind what it was. Now I know exactly what it reminded me of, due to the case last year, a photograph by Graham Ovenden by the name of Sam (1972).

I have not worked out how to post an image yet but if you google the artists name and the title of the work you will be able to see for yourself - it's the head tilted back and they demeanour of the girl that struck a chord.

Yes Rufus, I know the one you mean, a black and white photo, most disturbing and I too unable to post it.

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The same pose. Yes, that is disturbing.

by Hicks 19.08.14 20:33

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Good lord, I can hardly believe it. This is one hell of a coincidence imo.

by Rufus T 19.08.14 21:10

Thank you Hicks for posting a link, was so busy faffing about with the image it didn't occur to just post a link. Must engage brain fully next time . roses

by Hicks 19.08.14 21:48

Rufus T wrote:Thank you Hicks for posting a link, was so busy faffing about with the image it didn't occur to just post a link. Must engage brain fully next time .

That's ok Rufus T. Good spot on the photo.

I am wondering if there is any significance between the make up pic and the photo called 'Sam'.

Once again another avenue in this mystery has the 'P' word lurking in the background.

I notice that Ovenden was sentenced at Plymouth Crown Court......Plymouth seems to crop up a lot in this mystery.

Reading up about this man I came across an article that was written post his conviction. This line jumped out of the page.....'he remains at Barley Splatt, but in a converted outbuilding next to his turreted main home, known as the 'garage'. These words took me straight back to the 'riddler', the McCann's, and that extension they applied for in 2006 to extend the GARAGE. Was the riddler trying to make us see a connection here?
Just a thought.

by Rufus T 20.08.14 18:14

Having been away from the forum for a while I knew nothing about riddle me ree, so have just read up on that one, interesting as it was I think most likely a WUM. The most striking similarity, for me, between the make up photo and Sam are the eyes, they are too knowing not the sort of thing one would wish to see in the eyes of such a young child. Sad to say I see a loss of innocence.

by Guest 20.08.14 18:34

Yes, my mother used to say that a person was too knowing for their tender age.

I'm reminded of that with several of the photos claimed to be of Madeleine.

by Poppyfox 21.08.14 1:12

As a mum I find the photos wholly inappropriate and distasteful. The make-up was not applied by a child having fun with mum's cosmetics as suggested. I,too, think Madeleine looks as if she's been drugged and crying. She definitely does not look like she's having fun just the complete opposite. The horrible poses and makeup could be sending a hidden message as well as being appealing to paedophiles. Her eyes look so sad and dead (she was the real victim and not the crying parents)IMO Madeleine was an abused and neglected wee girl. You deserved so much better wee angel!!

by inspirespirit 21.08.14 8:01

The similarity between the head back pose of 'Sam' and 'Maddie' is definitely worrying. I often thought that 'make-up' photo was not a child playing with make-up. Ask a 3 yr old to apply lipstick and it would be all round her chin and cheeks. Same with eyeshadow. Also I have never felt comfortable with the pose where she is lying backwards. Such a horrible thought though. Sad

by **Tony Bennett** 09.01.17 11:20

inspirespirit wrote:The similarity between the head back pose of 'Sam' and 'Maddie' is definitely worrying. I often thought that 'make-up' photo was not a child playing with make-up. Ask a 3 yr old to apply lipstick and it would be all round her chin and cheeks. Same with eyeshadow. Also I have never felt comfortable with the pose where she is lying backwards. Such a horrible thought though.

There's been no comment on this thread since August 2014.

But with the Make Up Photo now being discussed a lot both on CMOMM and elsewhere, I thought I would remind members and guests of the initial reaction to this most controversial of Madeleine photos.

As can be seen from the 64 comments I collated, there is a wide variety of opinions expressed about the photo. Some thought there was nothing to worry about. Others claimed it had been photoshopped. By far the majority of commenters expressed a greater or lesser degree of concern about it.

I've extracted four comments of particular interest:

The first two show how early people were referring to it as a 'Lolita' photograph:

26. I don't know which campaign is more dangerous for her, If this one with a 'Maddie lolita' or the first picture you release to the press showing the eye defect

27. IMO media promoting Lolita Maddie photo are promoting child abuse. Katie Price got slaughtered for doing the same with her daughter

The next two are from perceptive commenters who wondered if the photo had been taken in Praia da Luz on the McCanns' ill-fated holiday there:

39. Still do not understand the purpose of the photo with the blue eyeshadow.
Anybody noticed that on this said photo, the right side of the background seems to show the same wall as the wall in the new released video. Right in the beginning the video shows Praia de Luz and one can see wall very similar to the photo. So was the photo taken while on holiday? Is the photo meant to remember somebody who was there, when the photo was taken?

40. I'm looking at her hair. The fringe is kind of grown out and comes to beneath her eyes, just like in "the Last Ohoto". If you look at pictures of her a few weeks before, in Donegal, her fringe isn't that long. If it was taken before the holiday, it must have been JUST before IMO.

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With all that in mind, here is a resume of the known FACTS about this photo:
1. It first appeared in a 2-minute video produced by Jon Corner in May 2010 for the third anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance
2. The McCanns had never published it themselves during those past three years
3. The McCanns have never admitted that one of them took this photo
4. As Jon Corner was clearly in possession of this image in May 2010, either he took it himself, or one of the McCanns took it and gave it to him, OR some unknown third party took the photograph and handed it to Jon Corner
5. The McCanns claimed that the photo was taken after Madeleine had been 'playing with Mummy's dressing-up box
6. Almost no-one believes this to be accurate, because they consider that Madeleine could not have done all, or indeed any, of the following:
put on her hair bead
put on her necklace
apply blue eyeshadow neatly
apply red lipstick neatly
apply black eyeliner neatly
7. The yellow stucco background for the Make Up Photo corresponds with that of many houses and apartments in Praia da Luz but not to properties in England
8. There are several indications that the Make Up Photo could have been taken on the very same day as the Last Photo
Madeleine is wearing a pink hair bead in both photos
Madeleine is wearing a pink top/smock/dress in both photos
Her hair length and style is identical in both photos
9. No-one can say for sure whether Madeleine looks happy or unhappy in that photo - but the majority view has always been that she looks unhappy

by Guest 09.01.17 13:19

If I may just add, it wasn't only the Madeleine McCann dedicated fora and blogs that were disgusted and/or uncomfortable when the photograph was first publicized.

It was generally looked upon as inappropriate at best and downright provocative at worst. Seems to be only now, some years down the line, that a small group of commentators are looking at it in a different light (excuse the pun). I'm inclined to think this is only because the subject is sometimes the focus of CMoMM, why else would anyone in their right mind condone and/or excuse such an questionable image of a three year old child?

The photograph is unacceptable on every level.

by Guest 14.01.17 15:38

MARK WILLIAMS-THOMAS

Mark Williams-Thomas owns his own Child Protection and Risk Management Consultancy - WT Associates Ltd. Prior to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. He worked on or was in charge of some of the largest paedophile and murder investigations in the country, as well as being was one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police. Mark is also completing a Masters in Criminology at the University of Central England. It is understood that he attended the meeting between the FFS and the Portuguese forensic team at Leicester police station on 29th November.

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by Guest 09.10.17 12:07

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German police release images of four-year-old girl after seeing her in child porn video on the 'dark net' in bid to find child who they fear is still being abused

9th October 2017

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by **Jill Havern** 09.10.17 12:25

Absolutely sickening. Poor child.

The third photo is spookily similar to the one of Madeleine that you posted. Similar age too. sad

eta: I've just edited your post Verdi as the photo wasn't showing.

I hope they don't kill her now that her face is splashed all over the newspapers.

by Guest 09.10.17 12:31

Perhaps this should be a rude awakening for all those who still think viewing child pornography is innocent.

Behind every video is a real child - flesh and blood. For the subscribers 'innocent' viewing a child's innocence is sacrificed.

Think about it!

by **Jill Havern** 09.10.17 12:35

That poor child will be affected for the rest of her life, if she's allowed to live.

I hope the perpetrator is caught and spends the rest of his/her life behind bars.

by Guest 09.10.17 12:55

Sometimes I don't think prison is adequate punishment to fit the crime.

In cases such as this, the perpetrator will be conveniently labeled 'of diminished responsibility' and thus given special treatment.

Frankly, I don't give a kippers doo-dah about the mental health issues. No matter what the circumstance, there will always be victims and it is they who should be foremost in the minds of all - not the perpetrator.

As Kate McCann said, she would be prepared to forgive Madeleine's abductor (or words to that effect) and yet, she thinks the man who tried so hard to solve the mystery of her child's disappearance, Goncalo Amaral, 'deserves to be miserable and feel fear'.

There's something very wrong in this world.

by **Jill Havern** 10.10.17 8:56

Mother's partner is arrested over child porn video found on the 'dark net' after she sees images of her four-year-old daughter released by German police

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She is now in the care of child psychiatrists.

by worriedmum 10.10.17 13:36

Madeleine has no facial expression, that is what jumps out at me. She is not engaged with the photographer but is only looking in the direction of them. The position of the head on the 'make-up photo is so unnatural it makes me wonder if Madeleine's head is being held upright by someone pulling her hair at the back. Horrible thought.

by Guest 10.10.17 15:32

Get'emGonçalo wrote:eta: I've just edited your post Verdi as the photo wasn't showing.

Yes thank you thumbsup

, I noticed it had disappeared. This happens sometimes for some inexplicable reason - without the picture the post is a nonsense.

by Milo 01.02.20 8:22

I have long believed that the Lolita photo was based on Sam's pose in the Ovenden "beautiful... but unsettling" set. But IMO Sam does not look unhappy or ill or propped up like Madeleine, perhaps by a person wearing a blue shirt (as opposed to against a blue chair). I have absolutely no idea and nor can I guess as to why that photo was released but have some thoughts as to why it was taken. At the risk of being rubbished I believe that photo has much more significance than is being attributed to it.

by Guest 01.02.20 11:26

I wondered from the beginning if that 'photo was taken as a full length shot of Madeleine, and why only her face is being shown. If it was full length, wouldn't it show the so called make-up box, and lipstick, eyeshadow etc., all over the place? It would have been sensible in that case to publish the entire 'photo.

60 Reasons why the McCanns should never have published THAT photo (the 'MAKE-UP '/ Lolita photo)