Wikileaks on Madeleine McCann - Wow - This could be interesting

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Dancing boys in Kabul are auctioned off to the highest bidder in the audience of wealthy influential people for sexual purposes?

Thank you soulthief.

Its a vile prospect, people don't know the half of what is going on and sanctioned by Governments the world over, its beyond dire, I am shocked at the things I am learning via anonymous [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

This is only the beginning, but the ruling elite of individual nations, states, cities and towns are finally under the microscope. No stone will be left unturned to expose the war machines, the banking mechanisms and the social engineering 'projects' endemic in all societies. Only now, will the world populations truly understand the will to power and how the few impose upon the many.

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years ago people would have kicked off and had protests, as a society we have become complacent, we are sheeples, we accept it thinking there is nothing we can do, but there is if we lose the 'what can we do' mentality.

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Dancing boys in Kabul are auctioned off to the highest bidder in the audience of wealthy influential people for sexual purposes?

Thank you soulthief.

Its a vile prospect, people don't know the half of what is going on and sanctioned by Governments the world over, its beyond dire, I am shocked at the things I am learning via anonymous [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

This is only the beginning, but the ruling elite of individual nations, states, cities and towns are finally under the microscope. No stone will be left unturned to expose the war machines, the banking mechanisms and the social engineering 'projects' endemic in all societies. Only now, will the world populations truly understand the will to power and how the few impose upon the many.

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years ago people would have kicked off and had protests, as a society we have become complacent, we are sheeples, we accept it thinking there is nothing we can do, but there is if we lose the 'what can we do' mentality.

Is that what I should be asking instead of just feeling, well I can do nothing. I certainly do wish that I could do something. I have just spent half an hour or so watching a programme about a surgeon in Pakistan who is visiting the flood victims. That really brought the meaning of life to me when the difference between you and life is a drink of clean water.

Alas, the mass introduction of Tasers and batons being wielded by this past fifteen years intake of police officers, (who would have been found far too stupid to find a place in the army, but who still want to play at being soldiers) has ensured that few people beyond their teens would take to the streets to protest here in the UK.

Too many innocent peaceful protesters have suffered death or brain damage. Too many families have watched police officers walking away from the courts with little more than a smack on the wrist for committing atrocities. With only the comfort of knowing that a video of the crime has been posted on youtube for the world and judiciary to see.

The power of the pen is mightier than the sword, and with the British weather being what it is, it is far more comfortable to find similar voices on the internet and group together here. The embarrassment of the Wikileaks is doing a far greater job than hundreds of thousands protesting outside Parliament, or speaking directly to an MP. Parliamentarians can brand the protesters as noisy violent pitchforkers, and go home to tea and forget all about it. This way, their ineptitudes and crimes can be discussed endlessly, without being drowned out by water cannons and the screams of the rent-a-mobs.

What is left of the student protest in London? Broken glass, graffiti and litter. But Facebook, youtube and thousands of websites are alight and thriving and still making a noise. If the Government does not listen it's term will be shorter than they currently envisage.

People no longer need wait four years to put right all the wrongs. The internet affords instant access to all areas.

Judge Mental wrote:Alas, the mass introduction of Tasers and batons being wielded by this past fifteen years intake of police officers, (who would have been found far too stupid to find a place in the army, but who still want to play at being soldiers) has ensured that few people beyond their teens would take to the streets to protest here in the UK.

Too many innocent peaceful protesters have suffered death or brain damage. Too many families have watched police officers walking away from the courts with little more than a smack on the wrist for committing atrocities. With only the comfort of knowing that a video of the crime has been posted on youtube for the world and judiciary to see.

The power of the pen is mightier than the sword, and with the British weather being what it is, it is far more comfortable to find similar voices on the internet and group together here. The embarrassment of the Wikileaks is doing a far greater job than hundreds of thousands protesting outside Parliament, or speaking directly to an MP. Parliamentarians can brand the protesters as noisy violent pitchforkers, and go home to tea and forget all about it. This way, their ineptitudes and crimes can be discussed endlessly, without being drowned out by water cannons and the screams of the rent-a-mobs.

What is left of the student protest in London? Broken glass, graffiti and litter. But Facebook, youtube and thousands of websites are alight and thriving and still making a noise. If the Government does not listen it's term will be shorter than they currently envisage.

People no longer need wait four years to put right all the wrongs. The internet affords instant access to all areas.

Your right we would be foolish to take to the streets with how protesters are treated, but here on the internet there is the anonymous approach, which is to educate and demonstrate peacefully via the web. If all the Madeleine forum users and blogs came together as one who knows.

"People no longer need wait four years to put right all the wrongs." ? Did you really mean that ?

Kristallnacht will solve it all ? Or failing that "The night of the long knives" or Ekaterinberg ? Or the Munich Putsch
We don't need to wait four years for the democratic process that so many people have given their lives for ? We can throw stones at Police horses, and smash windows, and try to murder people by dropping fire extinguishers from three storey buildings, and desecrate the Cenotaph, and physically attack the Heir Apparent.
I am filled with a cold dread at what you wrote.

PeterMac wrote:"People no longer need wait four years to put right all the wrongs." ? Did you really mean that ?

Kristallnacht will solve it all ? Or failing that "The night of the long knives" or Ekaterinberg ? Or the Munich Putsch
We don't need to wait four years for the democratic process that so many people have given their lives for ? We can throw stones at Police horses, and smash windows, and try to murder people by dropping fire extinguishers from three storey buildings, and desecrate the Cenotaph, and physically attack the Heir Apparent.
I am filled with a cold dread at what you wrote.

Hi PeterMac,
I fear you didn't read Judge Mental's comment with the care it deserved - your quote left out what came before and after:

Alas, the mass introduction of Tasers and batons being wielded by this past fifteen years intake of police officers, (who would have been found far too stupid to find a place in the army, but who still want to play at being soldiers) has ensured that few people beyond their teens would take to the streets to protest here in the UK.

Too many innocent peaceful protesters have suffered death or brain damage. Too many families have watched police officers walking away from the courts with little more than a smack on the wrist for committing atrocities. With only the comfort of knowing that a video of the crime has been posted on youtube for the world and judiciary to see.

The power of the pen is mightier than the sword...

What is left of the student protest in London? Broken glass, graffiti and litter. But Facebook, youtube and thousands of websites are alight and thriving and still making a noise. If the Government does not listen it's term will be shorter than they currently envisage.

People no longer need wait four years to put right all the wrongs. The internet affords instant access to all areas.

The very things that fill you with cold dread are explicitly rejected by the good Judge.

What fills me with cold dread is that you have to go back to the 1930s and the later years of the second decade of the 20th century to find things that fill you with cold dread - where have you been hanging out for the last 65 years?

On a more optimistic note, and in line with Judge Mental's train of thought:
Julian Assange: Readers' Choice for TIME's Person of the Year 2010
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ETA the examples you gave - Kristallnacht, the Night of the Long Knives, Ekaterinberg and the Munich Putsch, are curious; correct me if I'm wrong, but none of these involved involved angry citizens threatening their governments - rather the opposite I believe...

Way to go, Daoud - you're on top form today.
Let's hope there are a lot more McCann references waiting to be found in Wikileaks.

Bon dia Kiko!
I hope all is well with ou and yours!

Pretty good, thanks, daoud. All the better for having transmogrified from my previous existence!

PeterMac wrote:"People no longer need wait four years to put right all the wrongs." ? Did you really mean that ?

Kristallnacht will solve it all ? Or failing that "The night of the long knives" or Ekaterinberg ? Or the Munich Putsch
We don't need to wait four years for the democratic process that so many people have given their lives for ? We can throw stones at Police horses, and smash windows, and try to murder people by dropping fire extinguishers from three storey buildings, and desecrate the Cenotaph, and physically attack the Heir Apparent.
I am filled with a cold dread at what you wrote.

Do read one's post again Petermac, as one stated most clearly that the pen is mightier than the sword, and that the protest in London left, ''Broken glass, graffiti and litter. But Facebook, youtube and thousands of websites are alight and thriving and still making a noise. If the Government does not listen it's term will be shorter than they currently envisage.'' In other words, people no longer need to wait for General Election to register their unhappiness with the status quo, as they can sit and tap out their annoyance and anger on their computer without resorting to the riotous behaviour by a few indivuals which we have seen recently in the student protests.
As Daoud has kindly pointed out above, ''The very things that fill you with cold dread are explicitly rejected'' by oneself.

Speaking purely from one's own point of view, one would support a Bill to bring back capital punishment for anybody who maltreats animals in any way. One wholly disapproves of horses being trained to engage in riot situations, and would prefer that since we no longer demand that police officers be of a suitable height to be able to look through bank and post office windows, that we should place marksmen with stun guns on tall buildings, instead of resorting to the archaic use of dumb animals. One has seen some terrible injuries on horses which were inflicted by football thugs.

We should note whilst considering the frightening attack on the royals, that throughout their lives, this pair of royals have regularly and deliberately placed dumb animals in precisely the same position as they found themselves in. They being the very epitome of the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable, to quote Oscar Wilde. Therefore, one has not an iota of sympathy at all with regard to this matter, which was wholly avoidable had the police been doing their job properly, and employing a different strategy to facilitate the royal passage through a dangerous area.

It should also be noted that Kristallnacht was a completely different type of protest which was fuelled and driven by a legitimate political party, which cannot be compared to students demanding their right to an education which was promised to them by Clegg during his election campaigning when he was begging for votes to achieve power. The country gave him the power he craved and he has turned his coat inside out.

kikoraton wrote:Way to go, Daoud - you're on top form today.
Let's hope there are a lot more McCann references waiting to be found in Wikileaks.

Or indeed any references to civil servants connected to this case or any glimpses into the murky world of the FFS and the increasing politicisation of the policing policies in the UK.

@ Daoud

Many thanks for spending your time in explaining one's post. One never deliberately intends to upset any of our posters, and Petermac has always been a poster for whom one has had great respect through these long years of trying to find out what really happened to Madeleine.

Many thanks for the explanations. If I misunderstood it was my mistake.
The examples I used were of political violence. I don't think it matters much which way round they were. And for the record what I did for the last many years was play my small part in dealing with the political violence of the IRA, of the riots which started in Brixton and spread through the country, with the Miners' strike, and so on. All 'political violence', where a group of people decided they knew better then everyone else and were intent on making sure that their own, usually minority view prevailed.
And more importantly, that the powers given to the Goverment of the day through the ballot box was to be ignored, because their point of view was more important.
They all eventually failed, as did Nazi Germany, the Bolsheviks, MaoTseTung, Pol Pot, Mau Mau, EokaB, ETA and all the rest who have used violence to push home their point.
The 'argumentum ad baculum', the argument rammed home with a stick, is another of the classical fallacies.
The student riots are more of the same. We see a small disaffected group demanding that they be provided with everything they want, at someone else's expense.
I do not speak for politicians, but the reality of the Country's economy is probably lost on youth, who have not yet seen a pay packet nor realised how much everyone else has to pay in tax to keep them in their studies.
Again for the record, I was a student, my parents paid a large amount, as was their responsiblity, and I worked in my long vacations to make money to keep me in some style at University. My next two degrees were entirely self financed, and I have paid a very large amount in tax over my working life.
I do very much take the point that unless the internet can be shut down, then democracy has been changed forever. It may be that elections happen as a result of votes of no confidence rather more often than before. But it must be by vote, not by howling of the mob.

My take on students. In my day you left school at sixteen. Not because you weren't clever but because your mother made you because she lost her child benefit and could not afford to keep you. Most of my friends mothers made their children find a job at 16, only a handful stayed on until 18. Those were the bad old days. The vast majority of young people I come across today are in further education - very, very few of them work. Their mothers get paid by the state until they are 19 and many students get £30 per week for going to college. It has to be paid for by someone and we can no longer afford it. We can't all not work.

@ Petermac

One tends to agree with almost everything you say there. Whilst one believes that every child has the right to free primary and secondary education, one has always been somewhat averse to the notion that every child has the right to have further and higher education for free. Now that the UK has been brought to its knees by paying off all the bank debts created by chinless gamblers and their severe addictions, it is nigh impossible to make the provision of further education, never mind higher education.

Far better than abolishing all free higher education, one would suggest that the brightest students from poorer backgrounds who have proven track records of their aptitudes, should be allowed free access to universities to compete with their peers and those chinless wonders who are only able to gain access through the family's ability to pay.
Mature students who have spent years working and paying taxes, should also be afforded this right, depending upon whether the marketplace has a need for the skills they hope to achieve. The whole higher education system needs a shake-up, and should be offering vocational modules within any academic work undertaken, and making the courses longer where necessary. One of the main reasons for students dropping out and failing to gain a good degree is the sheer volume of work they are expected to undertake within 3 or 4 years - and debt! Were students to be placed in schools, civil service, banks, hospitals and anywhere else complementary to their studies, they would be able to gain work credits at the same time as studying, to cover the costs of their education and provide a service to their country.

This would sort the wheat from the chaff and show lecturers who is using university as a stop gap to not entering the work place Do not even allow one to start discussing those students doing media studies and ancient Norse! One has already been on the very verge of asking the wife's bridge partner to leave the house over the weekend.

You should have done so, your lordship.If you would care to take a close look at her side of the matrimonial bed, you will find a bolster and a mop-head where your wife should be.

"Far better than abolishing all free higher education, one would suggest that the brightest students from poorer backgrounds who have proven track records of their aptitudes, should be allowed free access to universities "
Exactly my father's and his sister's position. Scholarship to the Grammar School, then scholarship to University. He became a GP; she, a teacher.
But there are no Grammar schools any more, so decent education has to be bought.

2 November 2011 Last updated at 10:38

Wikileaks' Julian Assange loses extradition appeal

Julian Assange denies the allegations and says he will appeal at the Supreme Court Continue reading the main story


Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has failed in his appeal against extradition from the UK to Sweden over allegations of rape and sexual assault.

Two judges at the High Court in London decided that a previous ruling in favour of extradition must be upheld.

Swedish authorities want him to answer accusations of raping one woman and sexually molesting and coercing another in Stockholm last year.

Mr Assange's lawyers say they will appeal at the Supreme Court.

They have 14 days to bring the case to the highest court in the land, on the grounds that it raises issues of general public importance.

However, Mr Assange's legal team will first need to seek permission from the High Court to launch the appeal.

'Accurate description'

In February, District Judge Howard Riddle ruled that Mr Assange should be extradited to face investigation following a hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.

The 40-year-old Australian denies the allegations and says they are politically motivated.

However, in their ruling the judges, the President of the Queen's Bench Division Sir John Thomas, sitting with Mr Justice Ouseley, said that the issuing of the European arrest warrant (EAW) that led to Mr Assange's arrest and all subsequent proceedings to achieve extradition was "lawful" and "proportionate".

They dismissed Mr Assange's argument that the warrant was invalid because it had been issued by a prosecutor, and not a "judicial authority".

They also said the action of the prosecutor was subject to the independent scrutiny of Swedish judges, "which, as judges of another (EU) member state, we must respect".

The judges said: "It is clear that the allegation is that he had sexual intercourse with her when she was not in a position to consent and so he could not have had any reasonable belief that she did."

The court also rejected Assange's assertion that the descriptions of the offences were not a fair and accurate description of the conduct alleged against him.

They added: "This is self evidently not a case relating to a trivial offence, but to serious sexual offences.

"Assuming proportionality is a requirement, it is difficult to see what real scope there is for the [appeal] argument in circumstances where a Swedish Court of Appeal has taken the view, as part of Swedish procedure, that an arrest is necessary."

'Level playing field'

Wikileaks has published a mass of leaked diplomatic cables which have embarrassed several governments and international businesses.

American soldier Bradley Manning is being held in US custody for allegedly leaking information to the website.

Mr Assange appeared in court wearing a smart suit and Remembrance Day poppy but sat silently through the judgement, said BBC News home affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani.

Upon his arrival, Mr Assange was mobbed and police redirected him away from the crowd who had fixed to the iron railings of the court banners reading "Free Assange! Free Manning! End the wars".

Speaking after the appeal hearing, his supporters outside the court said they were "outraged" by the judges' decision.

Ciaron O'Reilly, 51, said: "Assange is probably the most amazing person in recent history who's upset so many powerful people in such a short space of time so it's obviously not a level playing field."

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Bumping.

How on earth did we stop looking at this.
Everything else is the smoke and mirrors.

We as the British public insist that the satellite images are used in the investigation
which has cost gazillions and landed us up in the dimension of dumbed down completely.

I am almost thinking that the only way through this maze of duplicity and outright deviousness
is to launch a class action law suit against the ruling government for misuse of funds in a time
when families have lost their value due to having to work longer, harder.

Worthwhile reading for newcomers to this forum.
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This is very misleading.  what is the point of bumping an old thread like this and making people think it's someting new.  It isn't.

On the contrary MaryB.

It is useful for newcomers to get a sense of what elements of the British Police were actively engaged in and developing back in Sept.2007.They clearly felt that there were questions that the mcCanns needed to answer.

It is even more interesting now that we are lead to believe that the McCanns and their advisors actively suppressed e-fit information in Nov.2007 and felt the need to have a 'get-together with the other T9 members later that same month in Rothley.

Perhaps if the PJ and the British Police had been allowed to investigate fully back in Sept.2007 and bring the investigation to a conclusion, we would not still be writing about this case.

I'm afraid I disagree.  The heading is very misleading and reads as if there is some new Wikileaks.  There isn't.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed.  But it's attention seeking and reads as if the information is new.  It's not.  Newcomers will be confused by this.

MaryB wrote:I'm afraid I disagree.  The heading is very misleading and reads as if there is some new Wikileaks.  There isn't.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed.  But it's attention seeking and reads as if the information is new.  It's not.  Newcomers will be confused by this.

MaryB, I have moved it here now to Important Information thread, so it is not appearing on Latest News thread now.

Thanks very much Candyfloss.  I don't want to be a nuisance!  But when I first saw it I thought ah new information on Wikileaks.  A breakthrough at last.  But it wasn't.

I wonder if an ambassador or a former ambassador is obliged to tell the truth to the police in case of a suspicious death.

I know that a monarch is immune.

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They mention a lot what Kate says.
Why do they say that Spanish borders weren't notified till many hours later, if on the files it says midnight.
As far as I can remember.

And that many people showed up trampling the scene, but forget to mention their tapas friends and hotel staff wondered around before the police arrived. And wasn't the first call to GNR at 10.41pm? How could they have been there at 10.30 like Kate said. Didn't they read the files?