Re: BRICK Reviews

by deepeepee 04.11.24 9:15

Tony, I am sure Bernt will be happy to let you know what he thinks of the evidence for the earlier death and why if you present it here. That would be more useful to me and everyone else to be able to understand both your views and his views.
Also, if you have read his book, you can also raise specific points in it that you may disagree with. He will no doubt also answer these.

If you have not read his book (like me) it is not really fair to comment on why you think his theories may be wrong.

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.24 9:33

deepeepee wrote:If you have not read his book (like me) it is not really fair to comment on why you think his theories may be wrong.

Exactly.

by **Silentscope** 04.11.24 9:49

I am just taking notes of Comments on the Forums so that when Santa delivers my Copy I can see what all the Hubbub is about…

But most of all I am hoping that Bernt’s Book has the desired effect, and the House of Cards will eventually fall.

Viel Glück / Best of Luck!

by **CaKeLoveR** 04.11.24 9:51

Verity wrote:Is it possible Maddie had her fall on the Sunday but didn't die until the Tuesday?

Sorry to see Tony has such a closed mind. Even Peter is more open minded after having read Bernt's book, which clearly Tony hasn't.

I have wondered if Madeleine lived for a day or two, which makes the whole thing more horrible, doesn't it? It makes me think that she was given a lot of medication to keep her quiet.

by Justice for Maddie 04.11.24 9:57

CaKeLoveR wrote:
Verity wrote:Is it possible Maddie had her fall on the Sunday but didn't die until the Tuesday?

Sorry to see Tony has such a closed mind. Even Peter is more open minded after having read Bernt's book, which clearly Tony hasn't.

I have wondered if Madeleine lived for a day or two, which makes the whole thing more horrible, doesn't it? It makes me think that she was given a lot of medication to keep her quiet.

Yes, there is a possibility that she had an accident on Sunday and died later. We already discussed that.

by Honesty 04.11.24 10:08

deepeepee wrote:Tony, I am sure Bernt will be happy to let you know what he thinks of the evidence for the earlier death and why if you present it here. That would be more useful to me and everyone else to be able to understand both your views and his views.
Also, if you have read his book, you can also raise specific points in it that you may disagree with. He will no doubt also answer these.

If you have not read his book (like me) it is not really fair to comment on why you think his theories may be wrong.

Surely, most people who are interested in this case will be aware of Bernt's theories. He explained them at length in his interview with JE and his theories have been analysed by the DD and PB.

by deepeepee 04.11.24 10:19

Honesty wrote:
deepeepee wrote:Tony, I am sure Bernt will be happy to let you know what he thinks of the evidence for the earlier death and why if you present it here. That would be more useful to me and everyone else to be able to understand both your views and his views.
Also, if you have read his book, you can also raise specific points in it that you may disagree with. He will no doubt also answer these.

If you have not read his book (like me) it is not really fair to comment on why you think his theories may be wrong.
Surely, most people who are interested in this case will be aware of Bernt's theories. He explained them at length in his interview with JE and his theories have been analysed by the DD and PB.

None of whom actually read his book.
It is 600+ pages long. From his interviews, I personally have a vague idea of some of what he thinks but not really any details or his reasoning.

by **CaKeLoveR** 04.11.24 10:33

We might learn details and reasoning in the upcoming podcast, and some video, perhaps.

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.24 10:33

Pat Brown did not analyse Bernt's book - how can you analyse something you haven't read?

She dismissed it as nonsense simply because it didn't match her own theory of Gerry carrying Maddie's corpse to the beach and hiding her under a boat.

And if her analysis is based on one podcast, then her analysis of Bernt's entire seven-year investigation cannot be complete.

PeterMac believes Madeleine died on the Sunday, but at least he's willing to expand on this own theory if confronted with new evidence, whereas others are not.

We need to see what this new evidence is in JE's upcoming podcast. We need to see what happens after that. Peter told us that Bernt will be showing his new video evidence to the PJ.

For goodness sake, let all this play out...there is still more to come yet.

And above all, keep it civil.

by GreenTara 04.11.24 10:41

Honesty wrote:
deepeepee wrote:Tony, I am sure Bernt will be happy to let you know what he thinks of the evidence for the earlier death and why if you present it here. That would be more useful to me and everyone else to be able to understand both your views and his views.
Also, if you have read his book, you can also raise specific points in it that you may disagree with. He will no doubt also answer these.

If you have not read his book (like me) it is not really fair to comment on why you think his theories may be wrong.
Surely, most people who are interested in this case will be aware of Bernt's theories. He explained them at length in his interview with JE and his theories have been analysed by the DD and PB.

There’s a whole chapter dedicated to the Nanny. PB reduced it to “The McCanns told the Nanny to lie, so she lied”. He never said that. What you say here, is on par with it being reasonable to critique a piece of literature if you’ve seen the movie. Personally I think if you want to critique a book, you should have read it first. PB was like a bull in a china shop with her so called review, but she can’t see how clear that is to see.
Note - the quotes are saying that’s as good as what she said
Note also when I say “you”, I mean “one”

by Clishmaclaver 04.11.24 10:46

deepeepee wrote:Yep, they should not be here in the Brueckner topic. It has gone well off track.

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by **BerntS** 04.11.24 10:49

Honesty.
You can't "analyse" a theory without knowing the arguments behind the theory. DD and PB don't know the arguments behind my theories. You have to read the book to do so.

What people are missing about en earlier accident and a later death, is that there is no purpose for faking creche records, when they simply could tell the staff that Maddie is sick.
It amazes me how poor common sense is behind that idea.
It's backwards thinking. Oh, so the creche records were faked, so something must have happened earlier, without any evidence that they were actually faked. It is clearly established the sloppiness of those records, so we can't take anything from them. But the logical fallacy of having to fake them, rather than simply telling them that Maddie is sick, is evident.
If Maddie was sick, then it wasn't known that she'd die later, which exposes the logical fallacy by that idea that the creche records were faked for days, with no purpose whatsoever.

I give up.
Enjoy the hamster wheel another decade

Ciao

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.24 10:57

Clishmaclaver wrote:
deepeepee wrote:Yep, they should not be here in the Brueckner topic. It has gone well off track.

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I've already moved the posts to which deepeepee referred...to this thread thumbsup

by **CaKeLoveR** 04.11.24 11:10

Pat Brown thinks that it doesn't matter where Madeleine is buried. I find that ridiculous.

by GreenTara 04.11.24 11:11

Remember the period of time when everyone was waiting for PB’s review to emerge? I myself, could not imagine someone like her reading this book, I kept thinking “how is she going to do a review without reading the book?”. Yes I was that sure she wouldn’t read it. Then came the review and it was beyond clear she hasn’t read it. She didn’t even grasp what was meant by The Sudden Impulse.
Not bragging, but I think I did a mean bit of successful profiling right there

by **CaKeLoveR** 04.11.24 11:14

Bernt, what do you mean by 'I give up' ? You're not leaving the forum, are you?

by pinkgladioli 04.11.24 11:21

CaKeLoveR wrote:Bernt, what do you mean by 'I give up' ? You're not leaving the forum, are you?

I hope Bernt doesn’t mean that,

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.24 11:26

pinkgladioli wrote:
CaKeLoveR wrote:Bernt, what do you mean by 'I give up' ? You're not leaving the forum, are you?
I hope Bernt doesn’t mean that,

He did ask me this morning to delete his account but I'm hoping I've managed to persuade him to stay until, at least, after the next podcast.

sad

by **CaKeLoveR** 04.11.24 11:28

Work your magic, Jill.

by **crusader** 04.11.24 11:34

I wonder why he wanted his account deleted, did he say?

by Honesty 04.11.24 11:36

BerntS wrote:Honesty.
You can't "analyse" a theory without knowing the arguments behind the theory. DD and PB don't know the arguments behind my theories. You have to read the book to do so.

What people are missing about en earlier accident and a later death, is that there is no purpose for faking creche records, when they simply could tell the staff that Maddie is sick.
It amazes me how poor common sense is behind that idea.
It's backwards thinking. Oh, so the creche records were faked, so something must have happened earlier, without any evidence that they were actually faked. It is clearly established the sloppiness of those records, so we can't take anything from them. But the logical fallacy of having to fake them, rather than simply telling them that Maddie is sick, is evident.
If Maddie was sick, then it wasn't known that she'd die later, which exposes the logical fallacy by that idea that the creche records were faked for days, with no purpose whatsoever.

I give up.
Enjoy the hamster wheel another decade

Please try and 'chill', Bernt. It seems you believe passionately in your theories. Others may have different opinions, of course, but surely, at the end of the day, we are all on the same team, as I think the DD put it.

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.24 11:45

Let's not forget that I was going to close this forum at the beginning of the year because, for one reason, I was tired of all the drama spoiling so many threads.

The McCann case was also stale and going nowhere after 17 years, then along came Bernt fresh from his seven-year investigation with new info in a Brick of a book for us all to debate.

Yet, without even reading his book, he's come under attack so, of course, he's going to get fed up and defend himself. Or leave.

I personally invited Bernt to this forum - something I don't think he even wanted to do after his experience on farcebewk groups.

We need to see where his investigation will lead...it's not over yet.

I don't want Bernt to leave.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 04.11.24 11:49

Definitely don't want Bernt to leave.

by **CaKeLoveR** 04.11.24 11:55

Neither do I, and I hope I haven't contributed to his considering leaving. I was negative about him before he joined.

by pinkgladioli 04.11.24 11:57

GreenTara wrote:Remember the period of time when everyone was waiting for PB’s review to emerge? I myself, could not imagine someone like her reading this book, I kept thinking “how is she going to do a review without reading the book?”. Yes I was that sure she wouldn’t read it. Then came the review and it was beyond clear she hasn’t read it. She didn’t even grasp what was meant by The Sudden Impulse.
Not bragging, but I think I did a mean bit of successful profiling right there

For anyone who has read the Brick, they know there is a hell of a lot more to it that gets discussed on the forum,

Pat Brown chose to cherry pick and missed things that could potentially end up being highly signicant IMO, I was surprised that she failed to mention in her critique so it was obvious to me she hadn’t read it
She was sent a copy of the book in good faith by Bernt, which I’d say was extremely generous of him I’d imagine the postal cost alone would have been expensive, You know I’d go as far and say Bernt could potentially be on the right tracks he may or may not have everything 100% time will tell

As Jill reminded us in a previous post this could be Madeleine’s last chance,
After all she is the purpose we are all here

by Honesty 04.11.24 11:58

Jill Havern wrote:Let's not forget that I was going to close this forum at the beginning of the year because, for one reason, I was tired of all the drama spoiling so many threads.

The McCann case was also stale and going nowhere after 17 years, then along came Bernt fresh from his seven-year investigation with new info in a Brick of a book for us all to debate.

Yet, without even reading his book, he's come under attack so, of course, he's going to get fed up and defend himself. Or leave.

I personally invited Bernt to this forum - something I don't think he even wanted to do after his experience on farcebewk groups.

We need to see where his investigation will lead...it's not over yet.

I don't want Bernt to leave.

Neither do I, Jill. I'm very sorry that Bernt took such exception to my post. I wouldn't have posted it if I had known that.

If it helps, I won't make any further comments on Bernt's book or his theories.

by pinkgladioli 04.11.24 11:59

Jill Havern wrote:
pinkgladioli wrote:
CaKeLoveR wrote:Bernt, what do you mean by 'I give up' ? You're not leaving the forum, are you?
I hope Bernt doesn’t mean that,
He did ask me this morning to delete his account but I'm hoping I've managed to persuade him to stay until, at least, after the next podcast.

Fingers and toes crossed

by deepeepee 04.11.24 11:59

pinkgladioli wrote:
CaKeLoveR wrote:Bernt, what do you mean by 'I give up' ? You're not leaving the forum, are you?
I hope Bernt doesn’t mean that,

Me too!!
For many, this is a great way to be able to contact/interact with Bernt. I appreciate his input a lot.

Bernt, I do get the idea that you have had a lot of shit thrown your way but you don't have to respond to every post or take everyone or anyone seriously if you don't want to.
A lot of people have your back here.

by **crusader** 04.11.24 11:59

I don't want him to leave either, he doesn't need to delete his account, he can just watch without comment if he want's.
I don't think he's been under attack though, the forum would be going nowhere if we all agreed on the same thing.
Surely he didn't expect everyone on the forum to believe his every word, I don't think he was challenged by unreasonable questions, he's bigger than that.
We do more squabbling amongst ourselves than we do with Bernt, but we just carry on.