Re: BRICK Reviews

by pinkgladioli 04.09.24 16:15

Where did the bit about not having his glasses on originate from ?

by Jojo1 04.09.24 17:17

pinkgladioli wrote:Where did the bit about not having his glasses on originate from ?

I think that may have been added later during his interview with the newspaper reporter. It doesn't seem to be in any of the regoratary statements from what I can see. It's just MSM drivel about his specs. Maybe it was to said later to dig himself out of the hole where he stated it was GM that he saw. Its puzzling isn't it.

by pinkgladioli 04.09.24 17:41

Thank you, I knew I hadn’t read it in the case files

by **AnneCGuedes** 04.09.24 18:30

The sentence in MS's May 26 statement that was food for thought for me is this one :

He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position.

I asked a first-aid guy whether there was a neat difference between carrying a sleeping child, a child in a coma and a dead child. His reply was positive, even in a coma, the muscles are tense and exert a kind of grip. A dead body is totally subject to the force of gravity which pulls it down, hence the impression of clumsiness produced by the carrier trying to oppose the gravity force.

Here comes a translation of one of the parts where I mention Smithman in my book :

During a decisive moment in Matrix (1999), Neo discovers that a modification to the Matrix, the programme that manages the virtual world in which humanity is immersed, generates a flaw that he designates as déjà vu - in this case, the passage twice in a row through a doorway of a black cat marking the same stop and hesitation after uttering the same meow. The vivid and disconcerting feeling of déjà vu normally occurs in a situation that seems to have been experienced before, even though we are fully aware that this is impossible.

On 20 September, Leicestershire Constabulary informed the PJ that Martin S, after a tormented week in which he had struggled to sleep, had made a statement to the Garda Síochána in Drogheda. He had had a strange reminiscence while watching a BBC report on the return of the MCs to the UK. He then watched the ITV and Sky News footage to make sure that the way it was filmed had nothing to do with the improbable impression that a sequence was unfolding before his eyes that should not have been familiar to him. According to the guard who took his statement, Martin S was very shaken and anxious as he spoke. He and his wife had spent days and nights in painful soul-searching, questioning the wisdom of sharing their feelings with the police. And, yes, it takes a certain fortitude to get involved in an investigation knowing that things will probably never be the same afterwards.

Gerald MC was getting off the plane, one hand supporting the basin and the other firmly pressing the torso of his abandoned son against his shoulder - neither the crackle of the cameras, the exclamations of the journalists nor the roar of the airport activities would awaken him. The brain processes a lot of information when the attention is fixed on a scene, so what was it about this scene that so compellingly evoked the child-carrier crossed in the rua da Escola Primária? ‘The way Gerald MC was carrying his son activated something in my mind,’ confided Martin. It was ‘exactly the way he carried and the look of the man’ we met the night Madeleine disappeared. It looked like the same person’.

In reality, as in the recent images, the child was not clinging to the carrier, his legs and arms were flailing about, with no muscle tone, hence the impression of discomfort that had struck Martin S and the idea conveyed to the PJ on 26 May that the man was not doing it well. Comfortable carrying requires the child to be firmly supported and at one with the carrier, so that the latter has to adjust his centre of gravity as little as possible, especially on a descent where knees and ankles are very much in demand. The apparent clumsiness of Gerald MC descending without holding on to the handrail and the real hypotonia of his son, who was fast asleep, could have been the spark that ignited the feeling of déjà vu.

Coincidences exist, more or less pure, simple and plausible. If Smithman looked the same as Gerald, if, despite all the media hype, he hadn't come forward to eliminate himself from the list of unanswered questions and if, last but not least, the child was, according to everyone who had seen her, very similar to Madeleine's photos, it was possible that Smithman and Gerald were one and the same individual. Martin S, who was as sure that Smithman was not Robert M as he would later be about the ideal suspect who emerged in 2020, thought so ‘60-80%’. This hypothesis would at least explain why Gerald MC, from one hearing to the next, kept putting off the moment of the alert until it came more than twenty minutes after the time indicated by Rachael MO to the BBC, a few hours before daybreak on 4 May.

Probably unthinkable, but certainly within the realms of possibility. Or probable, to use Paul Ricœur's term.

by **crusader** 04.09.24 19:05

Thank you, It shows to me at least, that the man the Smiths saw could have been carrying a sleeping child.

by **AnneCGuedes** 04.09.24 19:36

crusader wrote:Thank you, It shows to me at least, that the man the Smiths saw could have been carrying a sleeping child.

I regret that my english is not understandable and I better stop writing here, as I don't want to add confusion to the mess that this case has become. The difficulty in preventing the child from sinking down was interpreted by MS as clumsy carrying. How could he imagine the child was dead ?

by pinkgladioli 04.09.24 20:20

As Bernt suggested Martin Smiths mind was playing tricks on him, personally I think it’s a pretty plausible explanation for what may have happened

P.S. My English isn’t perfect and I can only speak and write it, your doing well to navigate in different languages

by **crusader** 04.09.24 20:25

Martin Smith said the way Gerry carried Sean from the aircraft was clumsy, and it reminded him of the way the man they saw was carrying the child.
My point is, Sean was alive and well and sleeping deeply.
If the child they saw looked the same, she could have just been sleeping deeply.

by **AnneCGuedes** 04.09.24 20:35

crusader wrote:Martin Smith said the way Gerry carried Sean from the aircraft was clumsy, and it reminded him of the way the man they saw was carrying the child.
My point is, Sean was alive and well and sleeping deeply.
If the child they saw looked the same, she could have just been sleeping deeply.

He never ever said that.
The trouble is not to check facts accurately before producing opinions.

by **crusader** 04.09.24 20:49

The difficulty in preventing the child from sinking down was interpreted by MS as clumsy carrying. Your words.

Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing.

My last word on the subject.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 04.09.24 20:49

AnneCGuedes wrote:
The sentence in MS's May 26 statement that was food for thought for me is this one :
He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position.

Sean looks perfectly comfortably asleep in all the photos and video footage (yes there is some on YouTube) that I have seen.

Martin Smith is talking nonsense and later contradicts himself.

So Anne, why do you think the Smiths didn't think it was Gerry by January 2008?

Not a hill to die on if you ask me.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 04.09.24 20:51

crusader wrote:The difficulty in preventing the child from sinking down was interpreted by MS as clumsy carrying. Your words.

Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing.

My last word on the subject.

Maybe I do need to post the pictures again?

It's like nailing jelly to a wall.

by **AnneCGuedes** 04.09.24 20:55

crusader wrote:The difficulty in preventing the child from sinking down was interpreted by MS as clumsy carrying. Your words.

Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing.

My last word on the subject.

The child Madeleine of course.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 04.09.24 21:03

AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:The difficulty in preventing the child from sinking down was interpreted by MS as clumsy carrying. Your words.

Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing.

My last word on the subject.

The child Madeleine of course.

Anne you need to recognise a dead duck when you see it.

There is no "of course".

by Cake Lover 04.09.24 21:10

'Since then the McCann's have been totally exonerated of any involvement'?

by Cake Lover 04.09.24 21:20

The above quote is taken from #299.

by **Nina** 04.09.24 21:37

Justice for Maddie wrote:

Kate is carrying Amelie in exactly the same manner but Amelie is fully awake so requires less support.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 04.09.24 21:57

Someone show me the anomaly from the return to the UK footage and photos because for the life of me I can't see one.

We're supposed to take the word of someone who contradicted himself on "normal" / "not usual" and forgot Gerry was Smithman by January 2008?

Martin Smith was just plain wrong (I'm being kind).

by Clishmaclaver 04.09.24 23:50

pinkgladioli wrote:
crusader wrote:Nina's not the only one seeing new things today.
I wonder if it was Patricia Cameron he saw?
She didn’t arrive until the 5th May

Yes, it would be Auntie Trish on the beach in early May.

Auntie Phil was in Bonnie Scotland getting the 'Campaign' up and running.

She was too busy bumping her gums at interviews, organising a big vigil in Glasgow, going to Celtic Park with the 'good-quality' merchandise (where she met Alex Salmond), and then going down to lobby at Westminster.

She was, indeed, a busy bee.

by pinkgladioli 05.09.24 8:04

It all is pretty bizarre, how they were all given the access and platform
to perform, there has been so many WTF moments,

by Cake Lover 05.09.24 8:36

They moved in and took over, didn't they? There didn't seem to be a 'let the police do their job' attitude. It was like a film crew going to a location and setting the scene with their own furniture and characters.

by pinkgladioli 05.09.24 8:53

I was watching the McCann’s and the media the other week I’m sure it was episode 5
The camera pans to John McCann standing in what I take to be his lobby (hall) dressed in his dressing gown shaving! granted it was a blink and you’d miss scene

How could a scene like that be remotely beneficial in the search for his niece!

Who the hell were the McCann’s?
Who allowed them to grift?

by pinkgladioli 05.09.24 10:38

So Paaaaaaat ( every time I hear the name Pat ever Eastender’s comes to my mind!)

She has commented under her review of the book, that the reason the McCanns went after her is because she is professional like Amaral and to many people will believe her theory
She doesn’t think they’ll go after Bernt because he is an unknown and the book is 800 pages and it will not sell well,

Bernts interview with James English seems to have done really well for being an unknown a month in and it has already attracted 1,159.118 views
While Pat’s in 3 days is 14,504 views

For someone Pat say’s is an unknown Bernt’s interview has done remarkably well!
As for suing just maybe the reason they haven’t is because he is on to something and of course it’s nothing to do with them losing against Amaral is it Pat!

by **Jill Havern** 05.09.24 11:12

The McCanns didn't go after Peter, and he's a professional and many people believe his chapters...many MILLIONS of views all around the world.

So where does that leave her claim?

Just saying.

nails

by pinkgladioli 05.09.24 11:23

Exactly Pat why haven’t they went after Peter Mac?
She also constantly uses Amaral’s name to support of her credentials and not in her own right!

by Cake Lover 05.09.24 11:29

I think P.B. lost her way a while ago, she is quite incoherent lately. It's sad, if that is the case.

by Keelafreeze 05.09.24 11:47

PB dipped her toes into the Luke Mitchell/Jodi Jones case and hasn’t covered it since due to making an abject fool of herself. Everybody has a right to an opinion and Pat can claim she’s obviously correct seeing as Luke is still in prison (although he’d be out by now if he’d admitted his guilt). Luke was 14 and was paper suited the night Jodi was found with over 300 injuries to her body and nearly decapitated with between 12-20 slash marks to her neck. Jodi had fought her attacker/s and whoever used the knife would’ve had marks on their hands/fingers from slipping with the blood. Luke had dirty hair, neck and fingernails meaning he’d never washed. There was no forensic evidence linking Luke to the crime scene or vice versa! FBI crime profilers were visited by the local police and concluded that Luke was definitely not the culprit, but seeing as this contradicted the police narrative it never made court. Dr David Wilson wrote an article in recent years claiming Luke shouldn’t have even been charged let alone convicted. There are far more obvious suspects, but I’ll leave this here for everyone who’ve become more aware of the use of statement analysis- Luke was with Jodi’s sister, her sister’s boyfriend (who’s sperm was found on her T-shirt and blood on her bra) and Jodi’s gran. Luke’s dog Mia started sniffing beside a wall and made herself big, when asked to go look for Jodi, so Luke went back, climbed the wall and made the gruesome discovery. A month later the sister and her boyfriend REMOVED the part about Mia alerting beside the wall and therefore implicating Luke as having lead the ‘search party’ to poor Jodi’s body.
Pat Brown- Luke is guilty thinking

by Amy Dean 05.09.24 11:47

I will be honest and say that I wonder if Pat has a drink problem. It's embarrassing at times to listen to her.

by Amy Dean 05.09.24 13:50

The Jodi Jones case as mentioned above - Pat's view on it.

by Jojo1 05.09.24 15:35

Cake Lover wrote:I think P.B. lost her way a while ago, she is quite incoherent lately. It's sad, if that is the case.

I tend to agree with you on that.
I struggled to listen to her audio of her new Madeleine book and her extremely critical review of Bernts book and theory.
I have alot of respect for Pat and for others who have studied the Madeleine case and in my opinion we should embrace their differing approaches.
I'm excited about Bernts next interview.

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