Re: Scotland Yard has asked the Home Office for another six months of funding to support its joint operation with Portuguese police in the investigation i

by Doug D 26.09.18 22:02

Link to the actual Home Office blog here:

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It was actually released yesterday, so Tracey and her cohorts are a bit slow off the mark.

What is a bit odd about the Sky report above is there is no mention of the fact the response is not actually time critical and OG can just carry on doing ‘not-a-lot’ in their own sweet way:

‘Some of the recent coverage has suggested that funding for Operation Grange will expire on 30 September 2018, and that the MPS will be unable to continue the operation thereafter unless additional funds are provided.

We have received and are considering a request from the MPS to extend funding for Operation Grange until the end of March 2019.

Funding for Special Grant applications can be paid retrospectively for operational work already done in the same financial year. It is therefore incorrect to suggest that the MPS would have to discontinue its operational work after 30 September 2018 unless additional funds were provided in advance of this date.’

by Doug D 26.09.18 22:16

Pinkie’s not ‘a source’ or just ‘a spokesman’. He’s actually let them put his name to something for once!

Clarence Mitchell, spokesperson for Madeleine's parents, told MailOnline today:

'Kate and Gerry are extremely grateful to the Met Police for making a new funding application and whilst they know it is not guaranteed they are hoping it will be approved.
'It shows that officers are still doing everything they can to get a resolution after all this time. And it gives them hope that one day they may finally find out what happened to their daughter.'

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but again no mention of the fact that OG can just keep plodding along.

Edit to add:

The Sun have picked up on it however:

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No sign of a ‘Tracey Exclusive’ yet though, all three of these articles are attributed to others.

by Rogue-a-Tory 26.09.18 22:55

Jill Havern wrote:SKY NEWS
Scotland Yard has asked the Home Office for another six months of funding to support its joint operation with Portuguese police in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
Keyword =
JOINT OPERATION.

Portugal have the [alleged] substantive crimes and offences - whatever happened to cause the death, conceal death, conceal cadaver, prevent burial, conspire to Pervert Course of Justice and so on.

England has only [alleged] Fraud - so far as I can see.

So Grange is
NEVER going to interview the McCanns about the events in Portugal, nor are Portugal going to interview them about the Fund.
And there is little point in people insisting that they do.
2 sets of offences, 2 different jurisdictions, 2 different legal systems.

Grange cannot interview about the Fund until they are very sure that they can prove that Madeleine was dead when it was set up AND that the McCanns knew, or reasonably suspected that. (The dogs' evidence came months later, so is not relevant to the setting up of the fund, though it might be to its continuing).
Portugal will need evidence collected in the UK to assist them in the conspiracy to Pervert issue. They would be better off with a body, of course.

Let us remember that the head of the CPS visited a long time ago, and that small teams have visited in 2017, and probably 2018 though we don't know that yet.

So what are Grange and the PJ doing ?
They are clearly not 'searching'. They gave that up a long time ago, but it was clear from what they did that they were looking for traces of a corpse.
They are clearly having long and secret meetings, talking and comparing what each side has which might be usable by the other, handing over documents and files of evidence, and seeing how far they can develop the case. Some of the evidence to support a charge of Conspire to Pervert the Course of Justice [Portuguese equivalent, obviously]
emanates from England, but the substantive crime - if any - would be in Portugal, subject to Portuguese Law and prosecutable only in Portuguese Courts.

Every visit has to be planned in advance, and a full and proper case put forward by DCI Wall to her boss and on up the chain for authorisation of the funds.
Bearing in mind the political sensitivity this will not be easy. Jibes like Golf and Sunshine holidays are amusing, but wide of any mark in the real world.

Everyone up the chain of command is ultimately answerable for the decisions to authorise the funding, and FOI requests are a powerful brake on frivolity.

Which takes us back to the same question. What are they doing ? What is their ultimate goal ? What will be the 'success' criterion ?

I don't know. But I can make an educated guess.

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The more I look at the timing of -
Grange going to run out of money
Grange applies for more money
GM recording his Radio 4 Mental Health piece
Mail and SUN going in with apparently sympathetic piece, which in fact in both cases is exactly the opposite, and Comments allowed and still published, the Dogs video attached IN FULL including the long explanation by Grime of what the indications actually meant . .

the more I think the MSM want their money back !

Exactly my thoughts. Joint operation - how dare they state that!

by **sharonl** 26.09.18 23:15

georgeforme57 wrote:I am going to get shot down in flames now but here goes. My opinion only of course. I am always pleased Grange gets the funding. I am one of those people(oh dear) who believes Grange are going to get it right - They will only get one shot at this - Oh no I hear you cry - opinion only - no facts to support this - yes you are right - however the silence from both SY and the PJ has been deafening and if SY want to cover this up they will need complicity from the PJ wouldn't they? and I am yet to be convinced this will happen. If I were heading up this investigation and was asked about the parents I would say exactly the same - oh that's been dealt with....

What do you make of the following:

McCanns requested this review
Grange keeping the McCanns informed
Grange being set up only because Rebekah Brooks blackmailed Cameron and Theresa May
Cameron's statement that this review is assist the McCanns and his letter to MMRG ending in "we hope that Madeleine is found soon"
Colin Suttons claim that the investigation is to be based abduction only
Ignoring the official line of inquiry
Ignoring crucial evidence
Ignoring information provided by the Madeleine Foundation on Brian Kennedy
Redwood and his team working on dodgy evidence produced by the McCanns PIs
The constant nonsense reported in the press
False claims that arrests were imminent
Redwood claiming that Tannerman suddenly turned up
The sheer nonsense of looking at phone records for all numbers that were in the area
The crazy reports that they have identified tens or hundreds of suspects, suspecting anyone who had offended previously
All the new suspects that they have had and reported to the press, all leads proved fruitless
The number of new leads that they had
Feeding all these false leads to the press
Failure to answer FOI questions
Changing their tune on whether this is a Portuguese investigation and they are merely assisting
Falsely claiming that they are working alongside the Portuguese police

by The Rooster 27.09.18 6:47

Who apart from Grange really knows what is going on in Grange? A purpose can change direction on a sixpence!

by Tony Cadogan 27.09.18 10:59

The RoosterWho apart from Grange really knows what is going on in Grange? A purpose can change direction on a sixpence!

I would guess that those who give orders to Grange know what’s going on in Grange and more.

Yes to sixpence.

by Guest 27.09.18 12:43

Anyone who still believes Operation Grange is a bona-fide investigative force need to go spend their pennies more wisely, you're weeing up the wrong tree with this one. I'm truly astonished that people still have faith in this pseudo Keystone cops re-enactment (I feel a video coming on!)

It was publicly announced in October 2015, that's nearly three years ago, that the Operation Grange had been reduced from twenty nine, right down to four - their work was almost complete, so said the press reports. A point which incidently has been confirmed by senior Met police officers on video.

So I ask, what exactly has this team of four doing been doing for three years? Shredding? Sweeping? Answering phones? Filing?

The UK police do not have the resources to continue 'reviewing' a dead end case with no fresh evidence to work with. In this respect I strongly suggest Operation Grange operates in name alone, with a cash injection every six months (so far) rubber stamped by the Home Office - that probably just about covers four half year salaries with mileage allowance, overtime and luncheon vouchers.

Besides, the UK have no jurisdiction to investigate the case of missing Madeleine McCann. If, very big if, they are investigating fraud (the Find Madeleine Limited Company for example), the investigation would be taken up by the appropriate UK police department, i.e. the fraud squad. Same applies if an investigation involves child abuse of any description.

Operation Humbug!

by Tony Cadogan 27.09.18 13:18

Verdi wrote:Anyone who still believes Operation Grange is a bona-fide investigative force need to go spend their pennies more wisely, you're weeing up the wrong tree with this one. I'm truly astonished that people still have faith in this pseudo Keystone cops re-enactment (I feel a video coming on!)

It was publicly announced in October 2015, that's nearly three years ago, that the Operation Grange had been reduced from twenty nine, right down to four - their work was almost complete, so said the press reports. A point which incidently has been confirmed by senior Met police officers on video.

So I ask, what exactly has this team of four doing been doing for three years? Shredding? Sweeping? Answering phones? Filing?

The UK police do not have the resources to continue 'reviewing' a dead end case with no fresh evidence to work with. In this respect I strongly suggest Operation Grange operates in name alone, with a cash injection every six months (so far) rubber stamped by the Home Office - that probably just about covers four half year salaries with mileage allowance, overtime and luncheon vouchers.

Besides, the UK have no jurisdiction to investigate the case of missing Madeleine McCann. If, very big if, they are investigating fraud (the Find Madeleine Limited Company for example), the investigation would be taken up by the appropriate UK police department, i.e. the fraud squad. Same applies if an investigation involves child abuse of any description.

Operation Humbug!

“Anyone who still believes Operation Grange is a bona-fide investigative force…”

I don’t.

by willowthewisp 27.09.18 15:50

Hi Verdi,So that brings at least Two UK Police Forces,to have "Assisted",the McCann Family,since Madeleine McCann had disappeared 3 May 2007,reported by her Parents?

Is it purely coincidental that all of this "Assistance, Truth Of The Lie" is based around a libel Trail that the Parents brought against the Portugal Detective Mr Goncalo Amaral,that they lost 31 January 2017.
They,(Parents,Kate,Gerry) are now "Appealing to ECHR"against the Supreme Courts decision in Favour of Mr Amaral,"Freedom of Expression"case.

The "Longer" they can prevent a Court appearance,the "thesis" beyond a reasonable doubt 50+1% scenario is in their favour.

by polyenne 28.09.18 6:10

“So I ask, what exactly has this team of four been doing for three years ? Shredding ? Sweeping ? Answering phones ? Filing ?”

Why perpetuate the line that the OG 4 are solely tasked with OG work ? Of course they’re not !
They are attached to OG but are also working on other cases.

by **sharonl** 28.09.18 7:12

polyenne wrote:“So I ask, what exactly has this team of four been doing for three years ? Shredding ? Sweeping ? Answering phones ? Filing ?”

Why perpetuate the line that the OG 4 are solely tasked with OG work ? Of course they’re not !
They are attached to OG but are also working on other cases.

So we have 4 officers working part time on Op Grange - what on earth have they been doing that cost us so much?

by Sundance 28.09.18 7:20

sharonl wrote:
polyenne wrote:“So I ask, what exactly has this team of four been doing for three years ? Shredding ? Sweeping ? Answering phones ? Filing ?”

Why perpetuate the line that the OG 4 are solely tasked with OG work ? Of course they’re not !
They are attached to OG but are also working on other cases.

So we have 4 officers working part time on Op Grange - what on earth have they been doing that cost us so much?

Those doughnuts ain't gonna eat themselves!

by Guest 29.09.18 0:21

The funding application - it's official...

Funding for Operation Grange

Posted by: HO News Team, Posted on: 25 September 2018 - Categories: Leading stories, Reactive statements, Uncategorised

The Home Office responds to media coverage on funding for Operation Grange.

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There has been media coverage of funding for Operation Grange, the Metropolitan Police Service’s (MPS) operation concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Some of the recent coverage has suggested that funding for Operation Grange will expire on 30 September 2018, and that the MPS will be unable to continue the operation thereafter unless additional funds are provided.

We have received and are considering a request from the MPS to extend funding for Operation Grange until the end of March 2019.

Funding for Special Grant applications can be paid retrospectively for operational work already done in the same financial year. It is therefore incorrect to suggest that the MPS would have to discontinue its operational work after 30 September 2018 unless additional funds were provided in advance of this date.

The Home Office maintains an ongoing dialogue with the MPS regarding funding for Operation Grange.

Special Grant funding is usually available to police forces when they face significant or exceptional costs. The cost of Operation Grange – which, to date, is £11.6m – has been met through Special Grant funding.

As usual, full details of any Special Grant awards in 2018/19 will be published after the end of the financial year.

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by **sharonl** 29.09.18 7:24

Tony Cadogan wrote:
The RoosterWho apart from Grange really knows what is going on in Grange? A purpose can change direction on a sixpence!
I would guess that those who give orders to Grange know what’s going on in Grange and more.

Yes to sixpence.

Would that be David Cameron and Theresa May, under duress, in fear of a week of bad headlines from Rebekah Brooks who is selling McCann stories and profiting from them?

by Guest 29.09.18 8:46

The STINK of blatant corruption is overwhelming . . . . . you would not be forgiven for thinking the money is keeping the lid on this whole affair somehow (perhaps it is being used to pay people to keep quiet, but that is beyond me). When the money stops and the gatekeepers retire or die the truth will come out . . . . .

by sallypelt 29.09.18 11:38

JimbobJones wrote:The STINK of blatant corruption is overwhelming . . . . . you would not be forgiven for thinking the money is keeping the lid on this whole affair somehow (perhaps it is being used to pay people to keep quiet, but that is beyond me). When the money stops and the gatekeepers retire or die the truth will come out . . . . .

I've never seen anything like this in my life. What ARE they hiding? It must be HUGE.

by willowthewisp 29.09.18 17:03

sallypelt wrote:
JimbobJones wrote:The STINK of blatant corruption is overwhelming . . . . . you would not be forgiven for thinking the money is keeping the lid on this whole affair somehow (perhaps it is being used to pay people to keep quiet, but that is beyond me). When the money stops and the gatekeepers retire or die the truth will come out . . . . .
I've never seen anything like this in my life. What ARE they hiding? It must be HUGE.

First you had Ben Fellows,"Perverting the course of Justice",that the Police instigated the actions,Ken Clarke,dodgy Conservative Party,Ian Greer/David Cameron,Carlton television,Cook report,where the Tape disappeared from,Central TV,the Cook Report,keeping up with all these conservative members?

Operation Midland,Yewtree, Metropolitan Police instigated the "Nick",Twelve charges,Eleven for "Perverting the course of Justice,One on Fraud charges,the Police helped him fill in the forms correctly?
The "Trojan horse method" as used by Metropolitan Police service,Sir Bernard Hogan Howe,Two Lords families receive Compensation,Civil Action by Harvey Procter for One Million pounds,obviously Mr Procter not part of the protected clique,with association to a certain guest House frequented by the Monday Club members,special discounts,wonder if he know Mr Richards?
The Metropolitan Police had knowledge that "Nick" had visited Lord Brammalls business to acquiire information of the layout of the residence? winkwink

by Doug D 01.10.18 10:36

From Textusa last night.

Still absolutely nothing on-line though which is very strange.

We’re back to ‘a source said’ and yet another ‘new, viable line of inquiry’!

Really????????

At least the Mc’s are not effing ‘buoyed’ by this for a change. Where’s Tracey when you need her?

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Paper edition of The Sun on Sunday:

MADDIE COPS IN FUNDING BOOST

Sunday, September 30, 2018

By Michael Hamilton

Cops on the Madeleine McCann probe have been given an extra £150,000 after telling the Home Office of a new line of inquiry.

The funding came as speculation mounted that the investigation into the 2007 disappearance would be shelved.

But The Sun on Sunday can reveal the extra cash had already been rubber-stamped by officials. It could extend the investigation, which has already cost £11.6 million, by six months.

A source said: “The funding was actually agreed before this week’s announcement about the application for money. It was signed off after detectives said they were pursuing a new, viable line of inquiry. The Government agreed because of that.

“it is hoped it will bring some sort of closure. Everyone would like this wrapped up and to end the mystery.”

It is unclear whether the fresh inquiry line stems from a sighting or new intelligence.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Last night a spokesman for parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, said that they “remain incredibly grateful to the officers working on the case.”

by plebgate 01.10.18 17:19

Another new lead? Strange how they always get down to the wire and then another lead pops up. So the lady in purple didn't come to anything? Wonder what this new lead is?

Surely if it involves looking for a "new" person of interest the public should be informed. Someone might be able to provide info?

by Tony Cadogan 02.10.18 11:03

sharonl wrote:
Tony Cadogan wrote:
The RoosterWho apart from Grange really knows what is going on in Grange? A purpose can change direction on a sixpence!
I would guess that those who give orders to Grange know what’s going on in Grange and more.

Yes to sixpence.

Would that be David Cameron and Theresa May, under duress, in fear of a week of bad headlines from Rebekah Brooks who is selling McCann stories and profiting from them?

Yea, Dave, Treeza and Bicky had their toes in that pie IMO.

by NickE 03.10.18 22:10

It look's like Operation Grange has been removed from MET Police website.

by **Jill Havern** 03.10.18 22:34

Nah, the MET Police must have it wrong because Isabelle said this:

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by condor5 15.10.18 10:26

Dear all.

Does anybody have an update, as to whether the investigation is going to receive more funding, as I understand there has been talk of this?
Also, will it be the case, when the investigation stops, MSM will be able to question the mccanns as they wish, as it will no longer be an ongoing investigation, therefore public speculation will be allowed, as they won't be damaging said investigation?

by Guest 15.10.18 12:04

Application for further funding was confirmed by a Home Office release, as far as I'm aware there has been no indication as to whether or not another grant has been agreed.

Will the mainstream press be able to quiz the McCanns et al once Operation Grange is closed - I doubt it. No police investigation is 'closed' until solved, that will never be the case with Madeleine McCann's disappearance - the case will be shelved pending further evidence.

Once and for all, the UK police have no jurisdiction to 'investigate' Madeleine McCann's disappearance, they can only assist the Portuguese police who retain primacy.

This case has past it's sell by date.

by **Jill Havern** 15.10.18 12:18

They can investigate the Fund winkwink

by Guest 15.10.18 12:33

They sure can - but will they?

Whatever, it wouldn't be 'investigated' by Sloperation Grunge, the ~~freud~~ fraud squad is the place to be !!!

spin

by Doug D 15.10.18 19:46

As of this evening, still nothing further on the Home Office website and Operation Grange dropped off the Met Police website a couple of weeks ago.

by NickE 15.10.18 20:15

Do the forum believe the investigation will be shelved after they spent £11m of the taxpayers money?
"We spent £11m but we can't solve it, sorry"
Imo. they will solve it, but the question is what outcome it will be.
Something like Needham maybe?
Madeleine wandered off, there was an hit & run,she went up in smoke and the driver died 3 years ago.
Cadaver odour could be explained with Kate's work........?

by JohnyT 15.10.18 21:18

.........no Freedom of Information given on an ACTIVE investigation? ...... or am I wrong?

JohnyT

Scotland Yard has asked the Home Office for another six months of funding to support its joint operation with Portuguese police in the investigation i