Re: Apartments

by Guest 14.10.10 9:54

Stella wrote:
28/04-05/05 G603 Nicole Cox & Raj Balu
05/05-12/05 G603 Parr
02/05-11/05 G604 Gill (donos booking)
28/04-05/05 G606 Neil Berry
28/04-05/05 G607 Curtis Leon Cameron Brain & Dr L Hurne
28/04-05/05 G608 Lisa Marjorie Preston
06/05-11/05 G608 Caroline Baker
28/04-05/05 G610 Anthony Hack
05/05-12/05 G610 Warren

This is just to highlight that these two were the ones who had a major contradiction in their statements for the night of the 3rd.

Balu claims that a travel cot was delivered to Berry's apartment for him to use.
Berry claims that Balu arrived at his apartment carrying his own travel cot.

Please also note, Berry's room was G606 and right next door in G607 we have another Doctor. what

by Autumn 14.10.10 14:55

Stella wrote:I am particularly interested in one Jayne Marie Jensen. She was located in apartment BP03, just 2 doors along from the Naylor’s in BP01.

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Jayne Jensen & sister Annie Wiltshire, “told how THEY saw” and “how THEY provided further evidence”.

Which is very interesting, because according to the tapas reports, her sister Annie didn’t join her until the 7th May.

As I cannot find a MW guest list with her on to confirm her original booking from the 21st April to the 12th May, one has to ask one’s self why the booking was changed to Jensen/Wiltshire 4 days after Madeleine disappeared?

1/5/07 Jayne Marie Jensen MW
2/5/07 is missing
3/5/07 name as above
4/5/07 name as above
5/5/07 name as above
6/5/07 name as above
7/5/07 booking now changed to Jensen/Wiltshire MW

Extract from the Daily Mail article:

And they provided further evidence that Robert Murat, the first official suspect in the case, lied about his whereabouts on the night Madeleine disappeared.

"I went straight into the creche area and checked the play area and Wendy House but found nothing."
It was then that Mrs Jensen saw 34-year-old Mr Murat for the first time. She saw a man light a cigarette as he stood on the street corner opposite the McCanns' ground-floor apartment.
She said: "I had semi-given up smoking and was thinking I could do with a cigarette when this bloke just along the pavement from me lit up. I noticed him but didn't think anything more of it."
A middle-aged barrister, a nearneighbour of Mrs Jensen in the holiday complex, has told police that he spoke to her at the time and also saw Mr Murat.
The next day, said Mrs Jensen, Mr Murat introduced himself to her and her sister.

That evening, the two sisters joined the barrister and his wife for a glass of wine on the balcony of their apartment.
They were discussing Madeleine's disappearance and the apparent failure of the police to set up a crime scene when Mr Murat walked past, saw them and joined them uninvited.
Mrs Jensen said: "He was wearing a blue T-shirt and jeans and he said he needed to go home and change because it had been a long day, which was odd, because he had already changed out of the clothes he had been wearing earlier."
After Mr Murat left, the barrister told the sisters he found him "odd".
His wife was distraught about Madeleine's disappearance and the couple were desperate to leave the resort. Their names have not been revealed.
Mrs Jensen insists she is not conducting "a witch hunt" against Mr Murat.
"It was only after he was made an arguido (official suspect) that I realised any of this information could be important."
Other witnesses who have placed Mr Murat near the McCann apartment that night include Mark Warner nanny Charlotte Pennington, two tourists who contacted Metodo 3 independently and three of the McCanns' friends, Fiona Payne, Rachael Oldfield and Russell O'Brien.

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Very interesting article Stella. Providing information to Metado 3 shortly after the McCanns had been made arguidos does not, imo, make them credible witnesses. What else do we know about these sisters, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are connected to the group in some way - they claim in the article that they returned to PDL in Sep with the intention of meeting up with the McCanns to give them information.
Do we know the names of the middle-ages barrister and his wife who shared a glass of wine with the sisters and were later joined, acording to them, by Murat? This all sounds very fishie to me
thinking

by Guest 14.10.10 15:40

Autumn, that is my feelings also. Why else would they extend their holiday when any normal person could not wait to get home away from all the Police and reporters.

I remember when I brought this up on MCF and the poster harmony tried to convince me the sister was already staying out there and that she had seen her name on a OC guest list BEFORE the ones we all could see. I asked her how she knew this information, when the earlier lists were not available and she never answered me. She also said that there was a tennis booking for the two of them that proves she was already out there, but from memory I think that tennis booking only had a first name attached to it, I will have to check, but the point is, it could have been anyone, not necessarily her sister.

If these two already knew the McCann's, then this is a very good reason to extend their booking to help them out in my eyes.

by Autumn 14.10.10 18:50

MCF used to be a good discussion forum but recently some members, whose ideas do not fit with the Mods' theories, have been treated badly by Admin - I was branded 'a gossipping mudslinger' by Ines on the forum because I objected to him making cheap jibes about Tony who, given that he was no longer a member, was not in a position to respond. To me, its laughable that they pride themselves on promoting Freedom of Speech whilst at the same time, banning people whose opinions do not tie in with the Mods'.

Had a glance at the Tennis Booking form on HiDeHo's Website and there was a tennis booking in the names Anne and Jayne (no surname) on the 3rd between 12 - 12.30.

by Guest 15.10.10 11:10

Thank you Autumn for locating that tennis reservation. There was another Anne staying out there that week, but her name was spelt Ainne in BP01 winkwink

and if the person making the booking didn't know how she spelt her name, it could have been written down as Anne.

I would like to see evidence of her sisters name Wiltshire on anything prior to May 3rd, but as far as I can see there is nothing.

That tennis record proves nothing in my eyes. The changing of the original reservation on the 3rd does.

by littlepixie 15.10.10 11:16

There was an Anne Naylor as well.

by Guest 15.10.10 11:53

Yes Littlepixie that's the one, on the creche sheet below, on the right hand side of it you can see her name but I believe it was confirmed that it was the Irish version, spelt Ainne.

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by Guest 15.10.10 12:19

Autumn wrote:
A middle-aged barrister, a nearneighbour of Mrs Jensen in the holiday complex, has told police that he spoke to her at the time and also saw Mr Murat. The next day, said Mrs Jensen, Mr Murat introduced himself to her and her sister.

That evening, the two sisters joined the barrister and his wife for a glass of wine on the balcony of their apartment.
They were discussing Madeleine's disappearance and the apparent failure of the police to set up a crime scene when Mr Murat walked past, saw them and joined them uninvited.

Autumn, you have raised a very valid point about this barrister. Who was he? I think I have confused myself above when I thought she was in the BP aparments, but I have found her reservation now.

26/04-05/05 G4B Beverley Ann Carruthers
06/05-12/05 G4B PSICOLOGO/Martin J Alderton
28/04-05/05 G4I Sandra Bowness
21/04-05/05 G4J Jayne Marie Jensen
21/04-12/05 G4J Jensen/Wiltshire
28/04-05/05 G4L Jeni Weinburger
29/04-12/05 G4M Julian Edward Bartran Totman
26/04-05/05 G4N Naylor (owner booking)
28/04-05/05 G4O Bridget O’Donnell & Jeremy Wilkins

Which means one of the above is this barrister she is referring to. They could even be the guest who was staying in G4N, the Naylor (owner booking) on a private basis ?

by Judge Mental 15.10.10 16:18

One is in no doubt that some of you have the noses of the FBI.
Extraordinary and exemplary work, Stella. clapping1

by Guest 15.10.10 20:52

Is Martin Alderton the guy from Crisis Centre for Psychology?

the Doctor Julian Totman was the subject of a misconduct complaint against him by GMC if it was the same one.

by Autumn 20.10.10 19:30

This Julian Totman? Hmmmm wonder what that was all about?

Julian Totman 20 October 2009
Case : FTP
Information for: Julian Totman 20 October 2009
Date 20 October 2009
Description
Decision of the Investigation Committee concluding on 20 October 2009 which heard the case of Julian Totman.

PDF PDF document: Dr_Totman_IC_Hearing_Minutes.pdf
Edit Doctor name Doctor Registration number
Julian Totman 4293398

by Cheshire Cat 20.10.10 19:58

Autumn wrote:This Julian Totman? Hmmmm wonder what that was all about?

Julian Totman 20 October 2009
Case : FTP
Information for: Julian Totman 20 October 2009
Date 20 October 2009
Description
Decision of the Investigation Committee concluding on 20 October 2009 which heard the case of Julian Totman.

PDF PDF document: Dr_Totman_IC_Hearing_Minutes.pdf
Edit Doctor name Doctor Registration number
Julian Totman 4293398

I have recently read the PDF document on-line:

Man goes into chemist with prescription
Pharmacist has gone home due to adverse weather
Member of staff in chemist not able to issue drugs while pharmacist absent
Man gets angry and then returns with Dr Totman
Dr Totman overrides member of staff and issues man with drugs from 'secure' medicine cupboard
Totman is reported and a verbal warning is to be issued
Totman requests a hearing and receives a rap on the knuckles for being a naughty boy.

by Autumn 20.10.10 20:14

Cheshire Cat wrote:
Autumn wrote:This Julian Totman? Hmmmm wonder what that was all about?

Julian Totman 20 October 2009
Case : FTP
Information for: Julian Totman 20 October 2009
Date 20 October 2009
Description
Decision of the Investigation Committee concluding on 20 October 2009 which heard the case of Julian Totman.

PDF PDF document: Dr_Totman_IC_Hearing_Minutes.pdf
Edit Doctor name Doctor Registration number
Julian Totman 4293398

I have recently read the PDF document on-line:

Man goes into chemist with prescription
Pharmacist has gone home due to adverse weather
Member of staff in chemist not able to issue drugs while pharmacist absent
Man gets angry and then returns with Dr Totman
Dr Totman overrides member of staff and issues man with drugs from 'secure' medicine cupboard
Totman is reported and a verbal warning is to be issued
Totman requests a hearing and receives a rap on the knuckles for being a naughty boy.

Thanks CC, you would have thought that Dr Totman would have advised him to go elswhere or driven the man to another pharmacy rather than resort to raiding the 'secure' drugs cupboard what

by Guest 21.10.10 12:41

Do all Doctors think they are Moses and can part the sea. Or did this Totman and McCann have the same mentor?

by Daoud 22.10.10 2:55

Stella wrote:
Autumn wrote:
A middle-aged barrister, a nearneighbour of Mrs Jensen in the holiday complex, has told police that he spoke to her at the time and also saw Mr Murat. The next day, said Mrs Jensen, Mr Murat introduced himself to her and her sister.

That evening, the two sisters joined the barrister and his wife for a glass of wine on the balcony of their apartment.
They were discussing Madeleine's disappearance and the apparent failure of the police to set up a crime scene when Mr Murat walked past, saw them and joined them uninvited.

Autumn, you have raised a very valid point about this barrister. Who was he? I think I have confused myself above when I thought she was in the BP aparments, but I have found her reservation now.

26/04-05/05 G4B Beverley Ann Carruthers
06/05-12/05 G4B PSICOLOGO/Martin J Alderton
28/04-05/05 G4I Sandra Bowness
21/04-05/05 G4J Jayne Marie Jensen
21/04-12/05 G4J Jensen/Wiltshire
28/04-05/05 G4L Jeni Weinburger
29/04-12/05 G4M Julian Edward Bartran Totman
26/04-05/05 G4N Naylor (owner booking)
28/04-05/05 G4O Bridget O’Donnell & Jeremy Wilkins

Which means one of the above is this barrister she is referring to. They could even be the guest who was staying in G4N, the Naylor (owner booking) on a private basis ?

Hi Stella,
At first glance the only candidate on your list for the mysterious barrister is Naylor, as we know that Totman and Weinberger are doctors and the others are all women except for Alderton who seems to be a psychologist, and there are only five registered barristers with the name Naylor (2 of whom are women), the men are: Kevin Michael Thomas Naylor (Manchester, Liverpool), Timothy Rex Naylor (location not given) and Jonathan Peter Naylor (Reading). The women are: Sarah Diane Naylor (London, Maidstone) and Rachel Joy Naylor (location not given).
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Interestingly Kevin M T Naylor is also a medical doctor who was registered as such in 1986, although his status is now 'Not registered - administrative reason' whatever that means. Six years later he was called to the Bar, so presumably he didn't spend a lot of time practising as a doctor. As you'll see none of the men are 'Robert', but I think it was Santa on the MCF who speculated that the Naylors who own an apartment in PdL may have been related to the Naylors who stayed at the OC, and Sarah Diane Naylor was called to the Bar in 2005 and could possibly be a daughter or niece of KMT Naylor - I have no idea on how to do genealogical searches, but it may be worthwhile for someone who does, if only to eliminate this line of enquiry...

Of course the barrister whose drinks party was gatecrashed by RM may have booked the apartment in his wife's name which would widen the search - when I get a chance I'll see what I can find.

by Daoud 22.10.10 3:12

I've drawn a blank with them all - there are no barristers registered under the names:
Alderton, Bowness, Carruthers, Totman, Weinburger or Wilkins.

There is a Miss Orly Weinberger, but she was called to the Bar in July 2007 and is the wrong sex. So if the mysterious barrister is on your list, he must be one of the Naylors - but what exactly does a near neighbour imply?

by Daoud 22.10.10 3:27

Here is some information on Michael Alderton - I'm assuming it's the same person as the one listed as psicologo on the OC list:
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Current

* Clinical Partner at The Centre for Crisis Psychology

Past

* Community Mental Health Team Manager at Sandwell Social Services Department/Black Country Mental Health Trust
* Principal Social Worker at Sandwell Social Services Department

Education

* The University of Birmingham
* The University of Birmingham
* The University of Hull
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Kevin Tasker and Martin Alderton became Partners in May 2003 after a number of years as senior consultants at CCP.

(...)

Since joining CCP in 2000 Martin has been one of CCP's main trainers and has delivered courses to a wide range of organisation across the UK and Europe. As an experienced member of the travelling team of trauma consultants Martin has responded to hundreds of incidents on behalf of CCP, many of them overseas. Recent incidents have included the Virgin Train crash in Cumbria and incidents in Portugal, Singapore, Cuba and Morocco amongst others. Before joining CCP Martin managed a Community Mental Health Team and coordinated a Local Authority's Crisis Response Service. As well as providing clinical services Martin is a member of CCP's management team and is responsible for Product Development.

All of the Partners share in the clinical work at CCP as well as providing leadership and supervision for the team.
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ETA Silly me - of course it's the same man:
Mr McCann said that in the first few days they had feared that Madeleine, 4, was dead, until the arrival of two trauma specialists, Alan Pike and Martin Alderton, from the Centre for Crisis Psychology in Skipton, North Yorkshire.
A rather curious quote from the same article:
Gerry McCann, 39, said: “If we don’t get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after."
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by Daoud 22.10.10 3:40

Does anyone have a clue as to what my avatar is supposed to depict? A microphotograph of the anatomy of an ant? A microscopic view of a bacterium?

by **Jill Havern** 22.10.10 8:40

Daoud wrote:Does anyone have a clue as to what my avatar is supposed to depict? A microphotograph of the anatomy of an ant? A microscopic view of a bacterium?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] No idea what it was actually, found it on google images - have changed it now (you probably noticed!)

by Daoud 22.10.10 9:40

Thanks jkh!
Now I wonder where you found that one big grin

by Guest 22.10.10 9:44

Daoud wrote:I've drawn a blank with them all - there are no barristers registered under the names:
Alderton, Bowness, Carruthers, Totman, Weinburger or Wilkins.

There is a Miss Orly Weinberger, but she was called to the Bar in July 2007 and is the wrong sex. So if the mysterious barrister is on your list, he must be one of the Naylors - but what exactly does a near neighbour imply?

Daoud

Maybe it's a case of just like Tanner & O'Brien, the above may not be married. Or just like Dr Gerry McCann and Dr Kate Healey, they may be married, but the barrister is known by another name. yes

by Daoud 22.10.10 9:54

Hi Stella,
That had crossed my mind (your first point) - but as there's no way of checking who their partners are, I can't see how to take it any further. As to your second one, the mysterious barrister was a man, so unlikely to practise under a different name, if I understand you aright.

by Guest 22.10.10 10:28

Sandra Bowness for instance, might be married to Mr A Barrister.

by Guest 22.10.10 10:33

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Brain made the booking, but attached to the booking is also a Dr Hurne.

by Daoud 22.10.10 13:53

Yes Stella, Dr Hume was one of the few doctors given their title on these forms; there was only on Dr L Hume registered in 2007, and she'd only been fully registered in August 2006 so maybe liked to use her title. She got her BM at the University of Southampton, so here is another MD to add to the T6, Weinberger and the Totmans.

by Guest 18.11.10 9:43

Here is another little conundrum.

How did Sandra Bowness go from room G41 to G4i ? A different typeface perhaps, or even a printer maybe?

01/05 it says G41 ie GOLF 4 ONE

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03/05 it says G41 ie GOLF 4 ONE

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04/05 it says G41 ie GOLF 4 ONE

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05/05 it now says G4I ie GOLF 4 INDIA

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by Guest 25.11.10 9:05

This is a very useful picture layout of all the apartments in G5 block

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by Guest 25.11.10 13:14

Does anyone know why Neil Berry stayed on an extra week and upgraded to better accomodation?

from report run on the 4/5 he was in room G606 from the 28/4 to 5/5
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from the report run on the 6/5 he is now in DP01 from the 5/5 to 12/5
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yet from Neil’s rogatory interview he says, “I think that our apartment was 4G”
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and why is his May statement missing?

ETA Just thinking about his statement, he claims to have been seen near the G5 block because it was on route to his apartment. But he would not have to enter the G5 block to get to his room in G606.

by Guest 25.11.10 13:19

Stella wrote:Does anyone know why Neil Berry stayed on an extra week and upgraded to better accomodation?

from report run on the 4/5 he was in room G606 from the 28/4 to 5/5
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from the report run on the 6/5 he is now in room DP01 from the 5/5 to 12/5
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yet from Neil’s rogatory interview he says, “I think that our apartment was 4G”
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and why is his May statement missing?

ETA Just thinking about his statement, he claims to have been seen near the G5 block because it was on route to his apartment. But he would not have to enter the G5 block to get to his room in G606.

by Autumn 29.11.10 16:18

Get 'em Goncalo, hope you don't mind me posting up the interesting e-mail you received recently in this section where Stella and Kiko are more likely to see it.

Get 'em Gonçalo Yesterday at 9:06 pm

I received an email this morning from someone who wishes to remain anonymous but he has said I can post his email here - kiko and stella may be interested in this. The person said he would give me the address of the apartment if anyone can check on it.

Hi Jill,

You weren’t the only person to be taken in by Brian. At the bottom of the very 1st of his ‘dream’ drawings there is a word – VILAMURA!

Now I knew that this is not the way the Portuguese town is spelt, but it is EXACTLY the same spelling as the name of an apartment my ex used to stay in – and guess what – it is 10-15 yards further on from the Smith sighting!

This apartment was owned by an elderly English lady who seldom used it and as it lay unoccupied for long periods, she let my ex (who lives and works in P de Luz) use it for a while.

And this unused apartment had a freezer in the basement utility room!

So you can imagine my thoughts at that time!

My reason for being down there was that I worked month on/month off out of Vietnam and my ‘hobby’ was flying (particularly aerobatics). My friend has run the airstrip at Lagos (a few miles from Luz) for 25 years and if the weather was crap for flying up here in Bonnie Scotland during my leave, I would jump on a cheap Easyjet flight and go down to Lagos to fly. I often stayed in Luz, Lagos or Burgau. That is how I got to know my (then) girlfriend and how I know this apartment (Vilamura).

I saw that pic (the 1st one on Brian’s site re. Madeleine) within a few days of MM being reported missing.

My friend (at Lagos Aerodromo) and other pilots were, at their own expense, using Microlights (slow flying planes) to search for Madeleine (or her body ) all around the outskirts of that area of the Algarve, in case she had ‘woke and wandered’. They did this many times.

As he has lived there for about 25 years, and speaks fluent Portuguese, I immediately emailed him the link, and my thoughts and asked if he would speak to the PJ. He replied that he had done this.

I have always wondered if that info was ever looked at, as the PJ have been heavily criticized for their ineptitude during the initial stages of the case, but I soon found out that Brian was a fake, so never pushed this possibility.

I do still think, however, that it would be very useful to obtain a ‘property ownership record’ of Luz because - if the dogs are correct - she WAS in a freezer, SOMEWHERE!

PDL at that time of year has hundreds of empty apartments – it is a British/German timeshare resort.

Apologies for mailing this to you, but I did not want to post this on an OPEN thread!

Kind Regards,

XXXXXXX

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