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Post by sharonl on 25.06.18 20:16

Gerry McCann once said that "confusion was good", well I suppose that its brilliant if you want to hinder an investigation and stop the investigators from looking at the right evidence from the right time and place.  Goodness knows that there has been some confusion in this case, mostly engineered by the private investigators and the UK gutter press.

11 years on, and after much research, we are not quite so confused.  Are we now in a position to wipe out some of those red herrings, dispense with the evidence from false witnesses and the crazy claims of the McCanns and their PIs?

I have started this thread to gather factual information that can no be disputed, and that we have 100% certainty on.  If there is no confusion, something may just come light.  

I will start the discussion with the following:

There was no sign of a break in at Apt 5a
There was no trace of an intruder
The only finger prints on the window\shutter were that of Kate McCann
The Shutters were not jemmied open as claimed by the McCanns
There are numerous contradictions in the witness statement of the McCanns and their friends
The UK top police dogs alerted to the human blood and cadaver scent in 11 McCann related areas but nowhere else in PDL
Blood was enough to seep into the floor tiles
These two dogs have never been wrong in over 200 outings
No one is reported to have died in apt 5a previously
Madeleines' DNA was not present in the apartment
UK  Government officials were immediately sent over to PDL
Goncalo Amaral was removed on Oct 2nd 2007 after speaking out about the UK police
There are very few holiday photos
An old photograph of Madeleine was given to the police
The pool side photo was not presented until after Gerry returned from the UK
The blue tennis bag is missing
There has been numerous sightings reported but not one single one of them was Madeleine
Medication and syringes were found in the McCanns apartment  
Brian Kennedy met with witnesses including arguido Robert Murat
The McCanns did not participate in the search on May 3rd
Two different timelines were written up on the cover of Madeleines book
McCann PI company Alphaig was a bogus company

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Post by jazega on 01.07.18 10:30

Needles found can you give me a link.Also what type of medications were found,

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Post by NickE on 01.07.18 17:38

Correio da Manha wrote in August 2007 that the Police had found sedatives in their bedrom together with a hypodermic needle.

Goncalo Amaral: "Then there's the window we found Kate's finger prints.
She said she had never touched that window and the cleaning lady assured that she had cleaned it on the previous doesn't add up"

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Post by Cammerigal on 02.07.18 0:00

Kate McCann failed to answer 48 questions when made an arguida by the PJ

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Post by nglfi on 02.07.18 15:04

There's a difference between needles and syringes. I'd describe the thing used to administer Calpol as a syringe, it comes with the bottle and you insert it, turn the bottle upside down and draw out the liquid. Was it definitely a needle and syringe found in the apartment or is it just the word syringe that was used?
Having said this I'm not sure if back in 2007 Calpol bottles had the syringe or if it was still just measured out with a spoon.

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Post by Verdi on 02.07.18 15:50

It was a press report - nothing more, nothing less..

Original Source: EXPRESS: THURSDAY 30 AUGUST 2007
By Martin Evans and Padraic Flanagan in Praia da Luz
The Daily Express, Thu 30 August 2007

POLICE hunting for missing Madeleine McCann discovered a syringe in her parents’ bedroom, it was dramatically claimed last night

In the latest slur against Kate and Gerry McCann, the hypodermic needle was allegedly found in a cupboard at the apartment where their daughter vanished.

According to reports in the Portuguese press, police are examining the theory that the needle could have been used by Madeleine's parents -both doctors - to administer sedatives to their children to help them sleep.

Hurtful and unfounded rumours in the Portuguese media claim that detectives are convinced the couple accidentally killed four-year-old Madeleine by giving her an overdose of sedatives.

Last night a spokeswoman for the couple angrily denied the latest slurs and insisted that the McCanns had never sedated their children.

She said: "I can categorically say the McCanns did not have syringes or sedatives with them on holiday. They do not use sedatives on their children. This story is absolute nonsense, it is totally untrue".

The allegations are the latest in a long line of vicious attacks the McCanns have been forced to endure while desperately waiting for news of their daughter.

But there has been a significant shift in the tone of the attacks in recent days, with a number of Portuguese papers now accusing the McCanns outright of killing their daughter.

The respected Correio da Manha paper wrote yesterday: Madeleine's parents
kept a tranquiliser kit in the cupboard of the Ocean Club bedroom".

The paper went on to claim that weight was being given to the theory of an accidental overdose because the McCanns other children, two-year-old twins
Sean and Amelie, had not woken up on the night Madeleine vanished 119 days ago, despite the noise and confusion around them.

The paper also quoted Gerry McCann insisting that the twins were very sound sleepers and tired after an exhausting day playing in the pool.

The allegations were attributed to a source close to the investigation, but Portuguese police last night refused to comment.

The police, who are not allowed to speak about the investigation because of Portugal's strict secrecy laws, have always maintained that the McCanns are not and never have been suspects.

The allegations also clash with evidence provided by British ex-pat Pamela Fenn, who lives in the apartment above the one from which Madeleine disappeared.

Mrs Fenn, 81, told the police that two nights before the incident she heard a little girl loudly crying, "Daddy, daddy" in the apartment.

She said the crying had lasted for some time, but stopped when the McCanns returned to the apartment after dinner.

This would suggest the children were not being regularly sedated and were, in fact, wide awake after being put to bed.

Gerry and Kate, both 39, have always borne the attacks with dignity and good grace, but last week in an interview with British journalists Gerry finally snapped and responded to the accusations.

He said: "It is just so absurd, it is just not credible. It's incredibly hurtful and incredibly untrue".

"Even if somebody could think that, there is absolutely no evidence pointing in that direction."

Gerry also stormed out of a television interview after a Spanish reporter questioned him about claims that blood had been found in their apartment.

The outbursts are being seen as a sign of his growing frustration with the lack of progress in the investigation and his determination to protect his family from vindictive slurs.

Meanwhile, detectives continue to await the results of forensic tests being carried out on a number of pieces of evidence discovered in and around Praia da Luz.

It is believed that the DNA tests could provide a crucial breakthrough.

Portuguese police have a team of officers on stand-by ready to move in on a suspect as soon as the tests are confirmed.

From Kate McCanns Book "Madeleine" page 75 Comment about Mrs Fenn

Mrs Fenn page 75

Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point.

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What a load of old rollox!

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Post by nglfi on 02.07.18 17:53

In the spirit of this thread, I'd then suggest this is not factual, with only a press report to back it up......

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