Re: Kevin Halligen: blood-soaked body of 'James Bond-style' private eye who conned the fund to find Maddie McCann out of £300,000 is found at his mansion

by **Hobs** 18.01.18 7:59

BlueBag wrote:"kate was speaking freely and not from a script and it is kate who introduced the word murder "

Here we go again.

How do you know what the Police said to her?

You keep giving us your interpretations as though it's evidence.

It isn't.

Her words were spoken in an interview with the sunday mirror

SHELL-SHOCKED Kate McCann has given a dramatic, impassioned interview to the Sunday Mirror to denounce claims that she killed her own daughter.

Breaking down in tears, distraught Kate said of the Portuguese police: "They want me to lie - I'm being framed.

"Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."

Kate was speaking on Friday morning - after her first police interrogation this week, but before police officially classed her a suspect in her daughter Madeleine's disappearance.

The PJ were still investigating as an abduction as per the mccanns claims.
At best it would have been accidental death/ manslaughter they were looking at.
The mccanns own words and behavior indicated this was non accidental otherwise they would have acted like all innocent parents would have done and called 911 and rendered first aid.
There was a reason Maddie's body was removed and they did not call 911.
There was a reason they could not allow an autopsy to have taken place.
An autopsy would have revealed the real cause of death and signs of anything untoward such as unexplained injuries, sexual abuse etc.

She doesn't tell us they accused her of murder, she doesn't tell the PJ are saying i murdered Maddie.
She doesn't tell us what they police said to her.

This was in an interview freely given with the media.
She is the one who introduces murder into the equation, the PJ hadn't at that point.
She introduces murder because murder is at the forefront of her mind, words are chosen microseconds before being spoken.
She could have chosen any number of words,abduction, faked abduction, paedophile abductor, accidental death, manslaughter, unexplained death etc but out of all the choices from approx 25000 words, kate chose murder which is telling and damning and also explains a lot regarding their language and behavior.

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by Guest 18.01.18 8:18

None of this is evidence.

Again, it's just your interpretation.

Erroneous in my opinion for reasons already stated.

by Tony Cadogan 18.01.18 10:15

Hobs wrote:
BlueBag wrote:"kate was speaking freely and not from a script and it is kate who introduced the word murder "

Here we go again.

How do you know what the Police said to her?

You keep giving us your interpretations as though it's evidence.

It isn't.

Her words were spoken in an interview with the sunday mirror

SHELL-SHOCKED Kate McCann has given a dramatic, impassioned interview to the Sunday Mirror to denounce claims that she killed her own daughter.

Breaking down in tears, distraught Kate said of the Portuguese police: "They want me to lie - I'm being framed.

"Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."

Kate was speaking on Friday morning - after her first police interrogation this week, but before police officially classed her a suspect in her daughter Madeleine's disappearance.

The PJ were still investigating as an abduction as per the mccanns claims.
At best it would have been accidental death/ manslaughter they were looking at.
The mccanns own words and behavior indicated this was non accidental otherwise they would have acted like all innocent parents would have done and called 911 and rendered first aid.
There was a reason Maddie's body was removed and they did not call 911.
There was a reason they could not allow an autopsy to have taken place.
An autopsy would have revealed the real cause of death and signs of anything untoward such as unexplained injuries, sexual abuse etc.

She doesn't tell us they accused her of murder, she doesn't tell the PJ are saying i murdered Maddie.
She doesn't tell us what they police said to her.

This was in an interview freely given with the media.
She is the one who introduces murder into the equation, the PJ hadn't at that point.
She introduces murder because murder is at the forefront of her mind, words are chosen microseconds before being spoken.
She could have chosen any number of words,abduction, faked abduction, paedophile abductor, accidental death, manslaughter, unexplained death etc but out of all the choices from approx 25000 words, kate chose murder which is telling and damning and also explains a lot regarding their language and behavior.

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Dear Biscuit

Many words, none to the point. You are attempting, once again, to defend the indefensible.

Thinking of “The little unremembered acts of kindness and love…” You succeeded before in duping the composer, but this time you’ve got hold of the wrong bag. You are cornered and will fail, unless BlueBag lets you off the hook.

Please come down to earth and answer BlueBag’s point: ‘You present your interpretation as a fact’.

by **Hobs** 18.01.18 23:30

i present my interpretation based on kate's own language.
kate herself tells us it was murder.
Why say murder rather than the Police don't want an ABDUCTION in Portugal since that is the story the mccanns were pedaling then and now.

Words don't come from a vaccuum, they are chosen out of approx 25000 words or more in the case of well educated persons, microseconds before being spoken.
Kate used the word murder because it is what she was thinkingabout as she spoke said words.
It is called leakage.
it is damning
It reveals what happened to Maddie.

What needs to be learned is who, why and how.
We know where, we have a pretty good idea of when.
We have a general idea of who and how (the tapas 7, her being bumped on the head and the forensic evidence pointing to blood spray)
The who is the mccanns or one of the taps 7.
Why? We have indications of inappropriate behavior between male adults and the children as per the Gaspar statements, the men checking on the children and payne liking to bathe other peoples children.

If it had been accidental then why did they not do the expected?
That that did what they did points to non accidental death and that is murder which kate helpfully pointed out to us.

The evidence is kate's own words which would be included in any court case.
The same as kate's book would be admitted into evidence (much to her defense attorneys dismay)

by Guest 19.01.18 1:43

Kate McCann and her husband were desperately trying to convince the world they had been framed by the Portuguese police. In the process they created the 'plea bargain' story - it was a blatant lie, the PJ did not offer Kate McCann a plea bargain.

Mrs McCann - did you kill your daughter?

In order to add strength to the 'plea bargain' creation, the obvious defensive would be... "they wanted me to confess to killing Madeleine". Hence Kate McCann's press quote... 'they don't want a murder in Portugal' - if indeed the quote be true.

I could of course be wrong but I don't believe for a moment that Kate McCann's book would be admitted in a court of law as evidence, as much as I can't resist the temptation to mock.

A court of law does not rely on 'statement analysis' in the course of justice any more than it relies on 'reverse speech'. If a dog can't have it's say in court with it's natural instincts but without corroborative evidence - not much hope for unproven alternative fringe pseudo science thinking.

by Guest 19.01.18 8:52

Hobs wrote:i present my interpretation based on kate's own language.
kate herself tells us it was murder.

So you say.

However there are other interpretations.

As discussed.

by ufercoffy 22.01.18 5:17

Madeleine McCann: Conman private eye used a CHILD as bait to flush out Maddie's kidnapper

A PRIVATE eye paid £300,000 by Madeleine McCann’s parents to find her tried to use another girl as “bait”.

Kevin Halligen recruited a couple with a young daughter to walk round Praia da Luz in Portugal – where Madeleine vanished.

He planned to flush out the kidnapper. But US security expert Richard Parton was appalled by the ploy.

Speaking in a documentary The Conman And The McCanns, he said: “He got a couple to go on holiday with a child who looks a lot like Madeleine.

“Apparently, she was to have been used as bait.’’

Halligen convinced Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry to hire him a year after the three-year-old disappeared in 2007.

His bizarre methods have emerged following his “unexplained” death in Guildford, Surrey, earlier this month.

●WERE you the family recruited by Halligen to help the Maddie investigation or do you know them?

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by Guest 22.01.18 8:17

“Apparently, she was to have been used as bait.’’

Hang on... I thought it was a burglary gone wrong.

No....?

Oh, maybe he made sure she was left in an unlocked apartment then whilst the parents signed a restaurant book advertising the fact they were not in the apartment every night.
This was supposedly a smart predator observing their every move.... in out cluuuccck....

No.....?

This is insanity and it was insane to use him.

Still it looked like they were doing something.

by **sharonl** 22.01.18 18:47

BlueBag wrote:
“Apparently, she was to have been used as bait.’’
Hang on... I thought it was a burglary gone wrong.

No....?

Oh, maybe he made sure she was left in an unlocked apartment then whilst the parents signed a restaurant book advertising the fact they were not in the apartment every night.
This was supposedly a smart predator observing their every move.... in out cluuuccck....

No.....?

This is insanity and it was insane to use him.

Still it looked like they were doing something.

Hang on, maybe there is an element of truth here. Could they have, at the very lease, suggested a lookalike? Maybe Halligen or his company was appointed back in April 2007 when they really needed a lookalike to fool the investigation. Just a thought, I wouldn't be surprised if someone suggested this.

by Guest 23.01.18 8:10

I would be surprised.

It would be foolish to try and "fool" the investigation with such a stunt.

by sallypelt 27.03.18 21:23

Has there been a funeral for Halligen? We were told about his "unexplained" death, then everything just disappeared without trace.

by **Ladyinred** 27.03.18 21:32

Inquest 2nd July, according to Adrian Gatton.

by Guest 27.03.18 21:33

sallypelt wrote:Has there been a funeral for Halligen? We were told about his "unexplained" death, then everything just disappeared without trace.

Waiting the Coroner's Inquest, if I remember rightly it is was adjourned until this coming July.

by sallypelt 27.03.18 21:50

Verdi wrote:
sallypelt wrote:Has there been a funeral for Halligen? We were told about his "unexplained" death, then everything just disappeared without trace.

Waiting the Coroner's Inquest, if I remember rightly it is was adjourned until this coming July.

Thank you, Verdi. I had forgotten about Halligen, and he just happened to pop up in my mind. I looked for information on him, and all I could find is what was printed in January of this year.

by willowthewisp 28.03.18 18:07

Hi sallypelt,Verdi, Six Months for a Coroners Inquest,Death in January 2018 inquest in July 2018 seven Months,Normal?

by **Ladyinred** 27.12.18 20:40

Bumping this thread. It's almost a year since the death of Kevin Halligen, and still no inquest. Is this a normal length of time, or could an inquest have taken place in secret?

by **sharonl** 27.12.18 23:10

Ladyinred wrote:Bumping this thread. It's almost a year since the death of Kevin Halligen, and still no inquest. Is this a normal length of time, or could an inquest have taken place in secret?

Which of his many names would be used at an inquest? What name would appear on the death certificate?

More to the point, is he dead?

by Guest 28.12.18 0:34

Is there anything known about Kevin Halligan's death outside of that reported by the UK press? I don't think so.

I'm sure it was only his connection with the McCann campaign that attracted any attention, without that I doubt his death would have ever been mentioned by the media. He was after all just another conman with a very dubious reputation.

If his death was attended by medics, a straightforward case of liver failure due to excessive alcohol consumption for example, why then the need for a coroners inquest? Again, as far as I'm aware, it was only the UK press that spiced it up to add flavour to the McCanns ongoing tales of woe. Even if there was a coroner's inquest, is it of public interest - enough to justify making it public knowledge?

I venture to suggest the man died and has been buried somewhere without the customary fanfare associated with matters McCann. I'm fairly sure, if there was any salacious news that could make the story line more sordid we would know about it.

A flash in the pan I think, like so many other incidentals that follow in the McCanns wake.

by sallypelt 28.12.18 13:18

The Kevin Halligen story , banned in the UK ONLY. human butterfly effect part 2

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by Guest 28.12.18 14:42

sallypelt wrote:The Kevin Halligen story , banned in the UK ONLY. human butterfly effect part 2

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Sorry sallypelt, I don't understand ^^^. If you can watch the Armchair Detective's (that man again) work on the YouTube link, then surely it's not banned in the UK - perhaps I'm missing something? Isn't all Alan Vinnicombe's work shown on YouTube or heard on podcast?

That aside, it can only be the Armchair Detective's opinion, how he sees Kevin Halligan taken from various sources - authenticity doubtful.

I haven't time to watch, does it provide evidenced detail of Kevin Halligan's death and the aftermath or is this only supposition based on the Halligan conman documentary and media reports? As I said, I very much doubt anyone would have heard of Halligan or his death, if there wasn't a connection with the McCanns.

From where I'm standing, so far it's nothing but media hype - indirectly in support of the McCanns.

by sallypelt 28.12.18 19:18

Verdi wrote:
sallypelt wrote:The Kevin Halligen story , banned in the UK ONLY. human butterfly effect part 2

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Sorry sallypelt, I don't understand ^^^. If you can watch the Armchair Detective's (that man again) work on the YouTube link, then surely it's not banned in the UK - perhaps I'm missing something? Isn't all Alan Vinnicombe's work shown on YouTube or heard on podcast?

That aside, it can only be the Armchair Detective's opinion, how he sees Kevin Halligan taken from various sources - authenticity doubtful.

I haven't time to watch, does it provide evidenced detail of Kevin Halligan's death and the aftermath or is this only supposition based on the Halligan conman documentary and media reports? As I said, I very much doubt anyone would have heard of Halligan or his death, if there wasn't a connection with the McCanns.

From where I'm standing, so far it's nothing but media hype - indirectly in support of the McCanns.

Sorry for the late reply, Verdi. When I read this thread, earlier today, I did a bit of digging to see what I could find, as Halligan appears to have disappeared without trace. What I posted, was what I found.I only had a few minutes, and then I had to log off and go out. As for Armchair Detective, this is the first I have heard of that name.

As for Halligan and his escapades, even without being involved with the McCanns, he had a very colourful life, and there was a lot of reports about him in many newspapers that were not connected to the McCann case. You are correct when you say that if Halligan hadn't been involved in the search for Madeleine McCann, we probably wouldn't have heard of him, but even without his McCann connections, it is rather strange, that a man who filled so many newspaper columns in life, it's rather strange that only his death has been reported, and there isn't a word about his funeral, inquest etc. I find it very questionable.

by alan 28.12.18 19:21

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by Guest 28.12.18 20:59

sallypelt wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sallypelt wrote:The Kevin Halligen story , banned in the UK ONLY. human butterfly effect part 2

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24/09/2018 · This is my assessment of channel 5sthe conman and the McCanns, unfortunately, if you're it the UK you cant watch my view, the only country in the world you cant! It's BEEN BANNED you can watch …

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Sorry sallypelt, I don't understand ^^^. If you can watch the Armchair Detective's (that man again) work on the YouTube link, then surely it's not banned in the UK - perhaps I'm missing something? Isn't all Alan Vinnicombe's work shown on YouTube or heard on podcast?

That aside, it can only be the Armchair Detective's opinion, how he sees Kevin Halligan taken from various sources - authenticity doubtful.

I haven't time to watch, does it provide evidenced detail of Kevin Halligan's death and the aftermath or is this only supposition based on the Halligan conman documentary and media reports? As I said, I very much doubt anyone would have heard of Halligan or his death, if there wasn't a connection with the McCanns.

From where I'm standing, so far it's nothing but media hype - indirectly in support of the McCanns.
Sorry for the late reply, Verdi. When I read this thread, earlier today, I did a bit of digging to see what I could find, as Halligan appears to have disappeared without trace. What I posted, was what I found.I only had a few minutes, and then I had to log off and go out. As for Armchair Detective, this is the first I have heard of that name.

As for Halligan and his escapades, even without being involved with the McCanns, he had a very colourful life, and there was a lot of reports about him in many newspapers that were not connected to the McCann case. You are correct when you say that if Halligan hadn't been involved in the search for Madeleine McCann, we probably wouldn't have heard of him, but even without his McCann connections, it is rather strange, that a man who filled so many newspaper columns in life, it's rather strange that only his death has been reported, and there isn't a word about his funeral, inquest etc. I find it very questionable.

No problem at all, time is your own.

Aside from my comment about the Armchair Detective, who incidentally has produced more videos on the case of Madeleine McCann than all the other sceptics put together - 10/10 for that alone. Can't say I'm a fan of Alan Vinnicombe but I must admit I like the way he narrates, it's amusing and interesting - albeit a bit slow and amateurish.

My point really is, if Kevin Halligan had died from natural causes free of suspicion (it can happen to the best of criminals), there would be no need for a coroner's inquest, we would therefore be none the wiser. I agree he's led a colourful life, embroiled in many a high profile scandal but he's not exactly a celebrity - as I said before, the press reportage would appear to be salacious gossip to spice up the McCann connection. Outside of that, I doubt the general public are remotely interested in any detail about his death.

Operation Grange on the other hand might just find his death a trifle awkward - an embarrassment. Why? Because they included Oakley International in the review but failed to question the darker side of their involvement - money laundering for example. This could explain why the press suddenly went very quiet following the initial hype.

I guess we'll never know.

by **Ladyinred** 28.12.18 21:12

Well, we should know eventually as an inquest is scheduled at some point into his unexplained death.

Kevin Halligen: blood-soaked body of 'James Bond-style' private eye who conned the fund to find Maddie McCann out of £300,000 is found at his mansion