Documented Evidence

They look relieved, don't they? 'We've fooled 'em' - except you haven't, McCanns.

CaKeLoveR wrote:They look relieved, don't they? 'We've fooled 'em'  - except you haven't, McCanns.

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Don't they just?

This, of all the pictures of them, gives me the hebejeebees.

They know alright.

I saw a video clip yesterday but it was from the Daily Express so I couldn't get the code to embed here on CMOMM. Beyond a shadow of doubt, Kate McCann was sat there looking all glamerous but feigning the distraught grieving mother of a lost child, whilst Gerry McCann was sat beside her smirking.



They are taking the wee-wee big time.

This is probably the most significant indication of early subterfuge, at least in my view.  Within 24 hours Gerry McCann can stand there before the cameras, pretending to be distraught with feigned faltering voice, reading from a script by torchlight with the wife clinging to him like a naughty child, looking as though she's just jumped out of the shower.

It you're making a public appeal it should be from the heart - not a piece of paper..



Frozen in time - the 2nd media appearance on 5th May 2007 ..

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Good to see he found his wristwatch.

Was it Gerry who said 'Nothing of value was taken'?

The video featured in the Express [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ^^^..

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BBC Reconstruction: Tapas seating plan 3rd May 2007

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The Holy Grail ..

The Blue Bag

This has been the subject of extensive discussion over the years, and like so many other aspects of this case, has been obfuscated by forum myth and unwanted interference.  The various photographs circulated across cyberspace are a prime example, enlarged, reduced, flipped, added to, taken from, to say nothing of colour enhancement.

There is undoubtedly a cloud of doubt over the origin of the 'blue bag'  (?) photograph in the McCanns apartment 5a bedroom wardrobe photograph.  At least to my mind.

For a start, if Gerry McCann was in possesion of a sports bag at any point of the May 2007 holiday in Portugal, it's more than reasonable to presume he traveled with his own tennis gear - also, if the intention was to spend a lot of time banging balls with his wife, the natural inference would be that she also traveled with her own tennis gear.

There is no mention of this in any official documentation to my knowledge so I think it can be safely assumed it didn't happen.  Why would a couple going on a 2 week holiday with three very young kids bother to take their own tennis rackets and whatever else, just for a knock around at the holiday resort?  Not impossible but highly unlikely in my view.  Point 1 - why would McCann take a sports bag on his holiday, without any sports equipment in it?  This raises the important question .... was there a bag, blue or otherwise, in the pictured wardrobe at any time?

Now, getting down to the photograph itself, before anything else look at the quality compared to the other PJ forensic teams photographs featured in the files.  Then, why isn't this particular photograph included in the portfolio of PJ photographs taken by their forensic team on the afternoon of 4th May 2007.  

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The photograph of the wardrobe showing a bundle of clothes and something that could be a bag, or could be anything else for all I can see, appear in the PJ files on the page concerning Kate McCann and the unanswered questions posed in September 2007.  That doesn't make any sense.

There is the wardrobe picture showing something behind a door, if there was a sports bag or some similar sized bag - now you see it now you don't - I would think the PJ would have been very interested, enough for the subject matter to feature prominently in their investigation.

I've always been very sceptical about this particular aspect of the case.  The photograph does show the watermark of the PJ but there could be any number of explanations for that.  I know David Payne went to great lengths to babble his way through when questioned during the rogatory process, but that was one year after the event, a lot of mischief had been done in that year.

It doesn't have to contain tennis racquets to be a 'sports  bag'. Their size and shape makes them easy to put in overhead lockers on the plane for example , when a hard bodied case would be cumbersome. 

I did wonder if it was the bag that contains the travel cot. They are very similar to sports bags but in my experience less rigid.

Verdi are you saying that the photo above is not an official PJ one?

Verdi wrote:BBC Reconstruction: Tapas seating plan 3rd May 2007

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The Holy Grail ..

Couples usually sit together. Did they all sit in the same seats every night? Or was this just on May 3rd? This seems an odd way to be seated on a regular basis.

And why are there nine people in the plan when only eight were at the table on any one night?

Sports bags when our family travel are a must.   All sorts thrown in and rarely sporting equipment.

crusader wrote:In Gerry's arguido statement on the 7th September,he mentions that it was a suitcase in the wardrobe.

--- When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.

 Wow! 

So Gerry is taking ownership of it then!  


And it's in the PJ files!

Kate's housekeeping again - a tea stain cannot be tolerated, but dirty clothes piled up in the wardrobe is within the realms of reasonable hygiene.

worriedmum wrote:
Wow! 

So Gerry is taking ownership of it then!  

And it's in the PJ files!

And so again you miss the point.

Why do I even bother ....

Verdi wrote:

worriedmum wrote:
Wow! 

So Gerry is taking ownership of it then!  

And it's in the PJ files!

And so again you miss the point.

Why do I even bother ....

'Again'?

Please explain, Verdi

We might not know the answer to that but we do appear to have Gerry McCann claiming ownership of it.
Also, if this was taken in the first round of photographs, it was undeniably present. Then removed?

Thank you crusader for understanding and again checking detail before posting. So many myths have been born through ignorance and laziness over the years.

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Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/20 Time: 14H00 DIC Portimao

Joao Franciso Pascoa Luis Trigo Barreiras

Occupation: PJ Deputy Specialist

Place of work: Criminal Investigation Department Portimao

He is a specialist in the area of Criminology for the PJ and works in the Criminal Investigation department in Portimao.

His professional responsibilities are to carry out examinations at crime scenes, such as detecting finger prints, biological examinations as well as the identification, signalling and collection of other traces. He is also responsible for making photographic reports and sketches. On the date of the events - 3rd May 2007 he was on duty at the Portimao DIC.

At about 00.10 on the morning of the 4th, he had just finished filing a report about a fire, when he was informed that a child had disappeared in Praia da Luz.

He was brought into service together with an Inspector from the station. It was the inspector's duty to take notes of the services as well as all the information relating to them. The inspector who accompanied him on that date, Vitor Martins, informed him that the case in question was that of the disappearance of a small girl, of British nationality, who was staying at the OC with her parents.

The immediately left for the scene and arrived about 30 - 40 minutes later, at about 00.40/00.50.

When they arrived at the scene, which they immediately identified due to the presence of GNR officers, as well as quite a lot of people who were walking around the street searching for the child, they immediately went to the apartment in question, where they found several people, including some GNR officers, as well as the head of the Lagos GNR station.

He states that the people inside the apartment and close to it, entered and left the building and circulated in the whole apartment, completely freely, in other words, without there being any restriction or care in preserving the scene. .

He said that these people were the friends of the parents of the missing girl and a lady responsible for the resort called Silvia.

He was shown the room the child had disappeared from, having noticed that people also entered and left that room without any care in the sense of preserving traces. Inside this room there were two children, babies, sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.

It was requested that the babies were moved, which was done accordingly, the witness having subsequently put his gloves on to begin the on-site inspection.

At that moment one of the GNR officers told the witness that they had already searched for the girl in the wardrobes and other places in the apartment without having taken any care as to leaving their own traces or for destroying or adulterating any traces that might be of interest to the investigation.

After the arrival of the witness and his colleague Vitor Martins the scene was isolated and the inspection began, namely the collection of statements and inspection of the scene, the respective reports that were subsequently attached to the process documents.

The witness carried out finger print testing on the inside of the bedroom window, where the girl had been sleeping, leaving other examinations for the following day given that on that occasion these tests could not be carried out in the best technical conditions. For this reason, the apartments and the surrounding area were sealed off, watched over by the GNR officers who remained on site.

As far as he knows, after the first examination, other members from the finger print detection service and also officers from the LPC Crime Scene arrived at the scene.

The witness states that, at a given moment, the father of the missing girl led him to understand that he had already contacted the Sky News TV station and informed them of the situation.

As much the father as the girl's mother looked quite worried with the situation and he can even confirm that the mother was very agitated and out of control, crying a lot and shouting in an uncontrolled manner, saying in English "They have taken her".

He remembers that he remained on the scene until about 04.00. There were many people in the street. He does not remember having seen Robert Murat there on that occasion.

When questioned, he says that it was a fresh night with some breeze. It was not a clear night, nor was it very dark. Referring to the light conditions around the apartment, he says they were very dark, and thinks that even on a bright night there would always be little light around the apartment because of the trees and lack of street lights.

Reads, ratifies and signs.

The photograph is not, I repeat not, included in the PJ files of photographs taken by Bairreras, or later that day by the PJ forensic team.

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As I said initially, the photograph is documented in the PJ files on the page relating to Kate McCann's September 2007 interview, for some inexplicable reason.

This is the nearest..

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At least it shows the mini multi-coloured cardigan hanging on the door knob.  Well traveled that cardigan - unless there was a mini/maxi version, the mini-me syndrome.

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It's the provenance of this image (I'm carefull not to say photograph) that concerns me, along with the reason why it was not included in the documented photographic evidence taken on 4th May 2007.  

Then the image is slipped in the translation of the PJ files, along with copies of the documented text in Portuguese.  In short, it's out of place - not for the first time have I seen images thus included in the file translations on mccannpjfiles, seemingly irrelevant.

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Gerry McCann's arguido interview was not recorded verbatim, nor was it translated into English by the Portuguese authorities.  The short entry relating to the content of the wardrobe/cupboard in the room occupied by the parents McCann is vague and there is no indication to suggest why the question was asked.  Whatever, the content shown in the controversial image, could frankly be anything.  Even a suitcase as told by Gerry McCann during his arguido interview.

So why was the brief question asked?  Who or what prompted the PJ to question the content of the wardrobe in September 2007 - in passing?

Yes, of course a hold-all is common place luggage for ease of travel but it was the media that planted the idea it was a sports/tennis bag owned by Gerry McCann.

Personally, I don't believe anyone would carry the corpse of their own child in a hold-all and then place the empty bag back at the crime scene. Nor do I believe anyone could put the corpse of their own child in a hold-all and stuff it in a wardrobe.  The bag used to dispose of the evidence would be likewise disposed of - surely?   If Madeleine met her fate much earlier in the week, as evidence suggests, such a panic reaction would not be necessary.

So back to the image.  Why did it suddenly appear - why did it suddenly appear in the translated presentation of the PJ files documented by mccannpjfiles?  It wasn't particularly relevant.

Unfortunately I don't have access to the original PJ file DVDs, so ....

Maddy could easily of been removed from the apartment wrapped in a blanket looking like a sleeping child to a car rather than a sports bag I have a feeling this was done at night or the early hours of the morning much earlier that week they had plenty of time to organise everything.

ROSA wrote:Maddy could easily of been removed from the apartment wrapped in a blanket looking like a sleeping child to a car rather than a sports bag I have a feeling this was done at night or the early hours of the morning much earlier that week they had plenty of time to organise everything.

If only we knew what the McCanns and their friends were up to on the Sunday and Monday of that week. No wonder they keep promoting that "Madeleine disappeared on May 3rd" line.

I've always been intrigued to know the true reason why the McCanns group friends took that trip down to the beach on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007 - without the McCann family!

Bear with me, this might take some time but I'll start with David Payne's version of events taken from his rogatory interview in April 2008..

Reply :   "Mm yeah, err on that particular day err me and Fiona had you know gone down to the beach, we err took the dinghies out err as usual we went, you know we had the kids, err we had lunch err in the apartment. Err that afternoon I wanted to go down err to the Ocean, err to the beach and err you know windsurf err Matt and Russell had gone down there, they were, had taken the catamaran out. So I went down there err while Fiona and Dianne were looking after the girls in our apartment. Err I was down err windsurfing, I must have been windsurfing for a couple of hours, err saw Matt and Russ out on err the catamaran and then after we finished there we you know we met on the beach, played with the girls on the beach and then we went to the err the restaurant which is on the err overlooking the beach and you know we had err the evening meal there.

Err after we had the meal we got some ice cream and then err we decided that we were gonna go up and play tennis so I left err with err Russell, we left the, err the girls at the restaurant and we went up to the, err back up to the Ocean Club. Err I, as I say I'm not sure you know what happened to Matt and Russell at that particular moment but I remember then you know I went over to see err Gerry at the err you know tennis courts, just to see you know what was happening, and err decided that we'd, you know I'd come, come back to play tennis and err Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright err with Kate or you know again I can't remember the exact reason whether he was just making sure it was alright that he could stay there and you know more time but you know he'd asked me to pop in.
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He says they had their evening meal there - ?  Maybe he means the children's meal rather than the adults but it seems a peculiar choice of words.

Feel free to add anything relative to that Thursday trip to the beach that you can think of.

My initial intention was to uncover their respective testimony of the weather conditions that afternoon but there is a lot more being concealed here than meets the eye.

The McCanns themselves have very little to say about their afternoon, apart from the 'routine' breakfast, lunch, tennis, creche and dinner at the Tapas.  And of course their version of evening events.