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Documented Evidence
by Guest 04.12.17 23:22
A new thread for full member participation to add, analyze and discuss all documented evidence and intelligence relative to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
With our new found celebrity member trying - and successfully monopolizing the forum over the past few days, what better opportunity to shift the emphasis onto more important matters and away from attention seekers.
Here's a good starting point..
Processos Vol VI Pages 1668 to 1669
NUIPC 201/070 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector Joao Carlos
Report on Listening and Transcription of Telephone Interceptions
On 28th May 2007 in the Portimao DIC installations of the Policia Judiciaria, I, Inspector Joao Carlos proceeded to listen to the telephone registers relating to the code 1L804M (nº 914168557) finding the following transcriptions of interest to the investigation.
Session nº 2
Related elements and transcription.
Code: 1L804M
Session nº : 2
Number calling:351914168557
Destination number: 917218511
Direction: Outgoing
Initiation time: 14-05-2007 – 23.44.48
Final time: 14-05-2007 – 23.46.39
Conversation in Portuguese.
FV – Female Voice (Sergey’s girlfriend)
S – Sergey Malinka
Transcription:
FV – Hello darling.
S. I am here!
FV: Where?
S: I am downstairs at your door.
FV: (Inaudible) Why don’t you go on up?
S: Are you there?
FV: No!
S: Where are you?
FV: I’m in Espiche.
S: So?
FV: I was passing time.
S: Ahh!
FV: I was passing time.
S: And why would I be alone with your daughter!
FV: Why? Are you scared of her?
S: No! But its not good.
FV: Why not darling?
S: I’m going to wait for you in the car.
FV: Oh baby, Thats ok.
S. Why didn’t you come home?
VF: Oh amor! What is happening? I was hoping that you...we are not going to argue about this. Don’t you want to come home?
S: Oh!
FV: I’m about to leave Espiche.
(From this moment they converse in English, which is translated).
S. s***, I’m waiting for you...(inaudible). I waited for you in your house, why don’t you arrive on time?
FV: On time? I was passing time and you did not turn up, so I went to bed.
S : (Inaudible).
FV: I do not want to be alone. If you said you are not coming I would go to my parents house, to bed. That’s it, you see?
S. How long will you be?
FV: Five minutes, if the police don’t have me stopped, ok?
S- Ok!
FV: Love you very much. Bye.
With our new found celebrity member trying - and successfully monopolizing the forum over the past few days, what better opportunity to shift the emphasis onto more important matters and away from attention seekers.
Here's a good starting point..
Processos Vol VI Pages 1668 to 1669
NUIPC 201/070 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector Joao Carlos
Report on Listening and Transcription of Telephone Interceptions
On 28th May 2007 in the Portimao DIC installations of the Policia Judiciaria, I, Inspector Joao Carlos proceeded to listen to the telephone registers relating to the code 1L804M (nº 914168557) finding the following transcriptions of interest to the investigation.
Session nº 2
Related elements and transcription.
Code: 1L804M
Session nº : 2
Number calling:351914168557
Destination number: 917218511
Direction: Outgoing
Initiation time: 14-05-2007 – 23.44.48
Final time: 14-05-2007 – 23.46.39
Conversation in Portuguese.
FV – Female Voice (Sergey’s girlfriend)
S – Sergey Malinka
Transcription:
FV – Hello darling.
S. I am here!
FV: Where?
S: I am downstairs at your door.
FV: (Inaudible) Why don’t you go on up?
S: Are you there?
FV: No!
S: Where are you?
FV: I’m in Espiche.
S: So?
FV: I was passing time.
S: Ahh!
FV: I was passing time.
S: And why would I be alone with your daughter!
FV: Why? Are you scared of her?
S: No! But its not good.
FV: Why not darling?
S: I’m going to wait for you in the car.
FV: Oh baby, Thats ok.
S. Why didn’t you come home?
VF: Oh amor! What is happening? I was hoping that you...we are not going to argue about this. Don’t you want to come home?
S: Oh!
FV: I’m about to leave Espiche.
(From this moment they converse in English, which is translated).
S. s***, I’m waiting for you...(inaudible). I waited for you in your house, why don’t you arrive on time?
FV: On time? I was passing time and you did not turn up, so I went to bed.
S : (Inaudible).
FV: I do not want to be alone. If you said you are not coming I would go to my parents house, to bed. That’s it, you see?
S. How long will you be?
FV: Five minutes, if the police don’t have me stopped, ok?
S- Ok!
FV: Love you very much. Bye.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 05.12.17 0:57
Policia Judiciaria
NUIPC 201-07.0 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector Joao Carlos
Report on Listening and Transcription of Telephone Interceptions
On 28th May 2007 in the Portimao DIC installations of the Policia Judiciaria, I, Inspector Joao Carlos proceeded to listen to the telephone registers relating to the code 1L722PM (nº 919188441) finding the following transcriptions of interest to the investigation.
Session nº 7
Related elements and transcription.
Code: 1L722PM
Session nº : 7
Number calling:351919188441
Destination number: 960147559
Direction: Outgoing
Initiation time: 14-05-2007 – 00.06.58
Final time: 14-05-2007 – 00.18.20
Conversation in Portuguese.
M – Michaela Walczuch
R – Robert Murat
Transcription:
M – Hello
R – Hello.
M – So?
R- I was right.
M – About what?
R – The car.
M – Again?
R – I spoke with them now, I phoned Reis Santos, I went directly to the PJ apartment..I phoned Reis Santos and said “Look, if you want to know something about me you do not need to follow me, you should just ask. When I went to Burgau I was followed by a Corolla, the other day I was also followed by the same Corolla, its better if you fix the rear light of the car, its damaged”. He said “Look, I don’t know anything about this, I have nothing to do with this information about this car. Go home and I will check what is happening”. I left and the car was there and then I followed the car and got the number plate and then phoned him and said: “Here, this is the number plate of the car that has been following me. If you want to talk to me it is not necessary to follow me, talk to me ... my life is a clean plate, a clean plate, if you want to see something, you can see it freely”.
M- And then?
R- He said “I don’t know anything about this. We need to know what is happening here, because it does not appear to be ours and it could be someone else, like journalists, for example”.
M- Ah! But it was him who spoke to you, wasn’t it?
R – He stayed there in case. I went with two of his colleagues. I was completely sincere with him, and my life is an open book.
M- Didn’t he manage to find out whom this car belongs to?
R- Now what happened, I followed the car. The car knows that I was following it. I followed the car.
M – Did you manage to see how many people were in the car?
R – There were two persons, I followed the car.
M – Could one of them have been a messenger?
R – I don’t know, but I followed the car to the Russian roundabout, to the Russian houses, I followed the car to there. When I left your house, I left by the park of your house, the car was parked there...you know, at the roundabout, facing to the right, there is a park there, the car was parked there. You know how I am with cars, especially cars, I am worried in remembering the number plates of cars and all those things.
M- Hum, hum!
R- I am worried about this, I am worried to see what is happening around me. I told him, “I guarantee that this is the case”...and it was the case. Simply it is the case. I said to Reis Santos “If you want to talk to me I am here, just call me, I am here. You can talk to me freely. I have no problem with this. None”
M – And do you think he was telling you the truth?
R – No...I think not, I think that ...he doesn’t know the full situation, but he knows that something was going on, do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – Its difficult by telephone, but much easier face to face. But simply, my life is an open book. I have nothing to hide.
M – I know Robert!
R – I have nothing to hide. My book is an open one. They can see my entire life. I am OK with this. They can see exactly what I do and what I did not do. I have no problem at all with this. None. But it could not be them but someone using their car. Do you understand?
M – It would be difficult to believe that if it were not them that their car was being used.
R – If the car were not theirs, then someone is following me and I am being followed. That is something else. Bu the thing is that it only happens with this car...(inaudible) I gave them the number plate. Now they have the number plate...if it were not them. Do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – Reis Santos said that he would come over here.
M – Over where?
R- To Luz. To see the situation. Now I think they already know the situation, they don’t need to come here. Do you understand?
M – But he says that he would come to talk to you!
R- he can come and talk to me whenever he likes. But simply they should decide what they want. In terms of interview I did nothing wrong. My life is an open book, they can see all of my life. I don’t have any problem with that.
M – I know. I know that.
R – There is no problem with that. I have no problem with that. Still, it could be that it was not them, but I want to know who it was. If it were not them I want to know who it is. Especially now they have the number plate. I want to know who it is. Do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – I have done my part in terms of the number plate and all that s***. But...if it was them then I am well pissed off, well pissed off in terms of work, because this was not for them but for Madeleine at the end of the day.
M- I know. Also it is not necessary. They could tell you but there is a much easier way to find out who the number plate belongs to. It is going to the PSP, which I did a few years ago because of a bloke who was going to crash into me and I just said the make of the car, colour and number plate and they knew who it was. Thats one way to find out.
R- And they said whose number plate it was?
M – They told me!
R – So, I am going to do this.
M- They told me.
R – So I am going to do this.
M – And I , the information they had about the car was very little, but I got the number plate because the bloke almost lifted me into the air. He would have killed me and so I went to the police and did this.
R – I know exactly whom the car belongs to, it was a grey Corolla, diesel, a D4D, I know the car number plate, I know everything, I have all the information about the car. But my life is a simple open book, if anyone wants something, they are free to see, I have no problem.
M – Robert, you have repeated this many times.
R- I know but hear me, I have always been honest.
M – I realise that.
R – I have always been honest in my life and if it was them I am disappointed.
M – If it was them I would simply ask “what is this s***? How is it exactly that you the Portuguese police work?”
R – Exactly. Exactly that.
M –But then you are ..(inaudible).
R – I have always worked sincerely in my life and now I know that they work, the Police, any Police not just those over here, work on the fact that everyone is a liar, basically. But I personally always work sincerely.
M – I think that you should be truthful and sincere with them and tell them this.
R – Tomorrow morning I’m going straight over there, simply I will go there directly without any issue. I will go, just go I am not going to wait for anything. But I have, like I say. I see these things, I am a super visual person, in these things I am super visual...especially with cars.
M – If it were me I think I would never have noticed.
R – Cars, people, cars, I am a person who manages to remember these things. Details of cars even more, there is no doubt with details of cars. I never, never, never forget, I worked with cars for so many years, that I always have this situation, do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – But now we will see, I will leave it in the hands of Reis Santos. If they want to talk to me, I am here anyway.
M – But that you can’t get on with your life, go where you want and do what you want because there is someone following you and imagining that you want to go here or there, but make a complaint to Lisbon for the end of the beach.
R – Exactly.
M - I mean you can’t....Why? Becuase for them there is already a suspicion!
R – I have to talk to them tomorrow.
M – I would be absolutely direct in telling them this.
R – I’ve been followed, I’ve been followed – I don’t know. OK we’ll speak later tomorrow. And afterwards I’ll let you know, OK?
M – Thats fine. Go to bed.
R – Go and rest.
M – I am already resting but I don’t know if I will manage to sleep.
R – I think that I will not sleep. I will not manage to sleep after this s***.
M – But you know what I worry about? Its that you don’t sleep, you don’t stop thinking about this. Robert, you don’t stop thinking about this. You will be so nervous that you will maybe lose control tomorrow.
R – It depends if I manage to sleep. Go to bed.
M- Call me whenever.
R – Ok, Ok! Good night.
M – Ciao.Kisses.
R – Ciao, ciao.
-----------------------------------------
The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.
NUIPC 201-07.0 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector Joao Carlos
Report on Listening and Transcription of Telephone Interceptions
On 28th May 2007 in the Portimao DIC installations of the Policia Judiciaria, I, Inspector Joao Carlos proceeded to listen to the telephone registers relating to the code 1L722PM (nº 919188441) finding the following transcriptions of interest to the investigation.
Session nº 7
Related elements and transcription.
Code: 1L722PM
Session nº : 7
Number calling:351919188441
Destination number: 960147559
Direction: Outgoing
Initiation time: 14-05-2007 – 00.06.58
Final time: 14-05-2007 – 00.18.20
Conversation in Portuguese.
M – Michaela Walczuch
R – Robert Murat
Transcription:
M – Hello
R – Hello.
M – So?
R- I was right.
M – About what?
R – The car.
M – Again?
R – I spoke with them now, I phoned Reis Santos, I went directly to the PJ apartment..I phoned Reis Santos and said “Look, if you want to know something about me you do not need to follow me, you should just ask. When I went to Burgau I was followed by a Corolla, the other day I was also followed by the same Corolla, its better if you fix the rear light of the car, its damaged”. He said “Look, I don’t know anything about this, I have nothing to do with this information about this car. Go home and I will check what is happening”. I left and the car was there and then I followed the car and got the number plate and then phoned him and said: “Here, this is the number plate of the car that has been following me. If you want to talk to me it is not necessary to follow me, talk to me ... my life is a clean plate, a clean plate, if you want to see something, you can see it freely”.
M- And then?
R- He said “I don’t know anything about this. We need to know what is happening here, because it does not appear to be ours and it could be someone else, like journalists, for example”.
M- Ah! But it was him who spoke to you, wasn’t it?
R – He stayed there in case. I went with two of his colleagues. I was completely sincere with him, and my life is an open book.
M- Didn’t he manage to find out whom this car belongs to?
R- Now what happened, I followed the car. The car knows that I was following it. I followed the car.
M – Did you manage to see how many people were in the car?
R – There were two persons, I followed the car.
M – Could one of them have been a messenger?
R – I don’t know, but I followed the car to the Russian roundabout, to the Russian houses, I followed the car to there. When I left your house, I left by the park of your house, the car was parked there...you know, at the roundabout, facing to the right, there is a park there, the car was parked there. You know how I am with cars, especially cars, I am worried in remembering the number plates of cars and all those things.
M- Hum, hum!
R- I am worried about this, I am worried to see what is happening around me. I told him, “I guarantee that this is the case”...and it was the case. Simply it is the case. I said to Reis Santos “If you want to talk to me I am here, just call me, I am here. You can talk to me freely. I have no problem with this. None”
M – And do you think he was telling you the truth?
R – No...I think not, I think that ...he doesn’t know the full situation, but he knows that something was going on, do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – Its difficult by telephone, but much easier face to face. But simply, my life is an open book. I have nothing to hide.
M – I know Robert!
R – I have nothing to hide. My book is an open one. They can see my entire life. I am OK with this. They can see exactly what I do and what I did not do. I have no problem at all with this. None. But it could not be them but someone using their car. Do you understand?
M – It would be difficult to believe that if it were not them that their car was being used.
R – If the car were not theirs, then someone is following me and I am being followed. That is something else. Bu the thing is that it only happens with this car...(inaudible) I gave them the number plate. Now they have the number plate...if it were not them. Do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – Reis Santos said that he would come over here.
M – Over where?
R- To Luz. To see the situation. Now I think they already know the situation, they don’t need to come here. Do you understand?
M – But he says that he would come to talk to you!
R- he can come and talk to me whenever he likes. But simply they should decide what they want. In terms of interview I did nothing wrong. My life is an open book, they can see all of my life. I don’t have any problem with that.
M – I know. I know that.
R – There is no problem with that. I have no problem with that. Still, it could be that it was not them, but I want to know who it was. If it were not them I want to know who it is. Especially now they have the number plate. I want to know who it is. Do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – I have done my part in terms of the number plate and all that s***. But...if it was them then I am well pissed off, well pissed off in terms of work, because this was not for them but for Madeleine at the end of the day.
M- I know. Also it is not necessary. They could tell you but there is a much easier way to find out who the number plate belongs to. It is going to the PSP, which I did a few years ago because of a bloke who was going to crash into me and I just said the make of the car, colour and number plate and they knew who it was. Thats one way to find out.
R- And they said whose number plate it was?
M – They told me!
R – So, I am going to do this.
M- They told me.
R – So I am going to do this.
M – And I , the information they had about the car was very little, but I got the number plate because the bloke almost lifted me into the air. He would have killed me and so I went to the police and did this.
R – I know exactly whom the car belongs to, it was a grey Corolla, diesel, a D4D, I know the car number plate, I know everything, I have all the information about the car. But my life is a simple open book, if anyone wants something, they are free to see, I have no problem.
M – Robert, you have repeated this many times.
R- I know but hear me, I have always been honest.
M – I realise that.
R – I have always been honest in my life and if it was them I am disappointed.
M – If it was them I would simply ask “what is this s***? How is it exactly that you the Portuguese police work?”
R – Exactly. Exactly that.
M –But then you are ..(inaudible).
R – I have always worked sincerely in my life and now I know that they work, the Police, any Police not just those over here, work on the fact that everyone is a liar, basically. But I personally always work sincerely.
M – I think that you should be truthful and sincere with them and tell them this.
R – Tomorrow morning I’m going straight over there, simply I will go there directly without any issue. I will go, just go I am not going to wait for anything. But I have, like I say. I see these things, I am a super visual person, in these things I am super visual...especially with cars.
M – If it were me I think I would never have noticed.
R – Cars, people, cars, I am a person who manages to remember these things. Details of cars even more, there is no doubt with details of cars. I never, never, never forget, I worked with cars for so many years, that I always have this situation, do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – But now we will see, I will leave it in the hands of Reis Santos. If they want to talk to me, I am here anyway.
M – But that you can’t get on with your life, go where you want and do what you want because there is someone following you and imagining that you want to go here or there, but make a complaint to Lisbon for the end of the beach.
R – Exactly.
M - I mean you can’t....Why? Becuase for them there is already a suspicion!
R – I have to talk to them tomorrow.
M – I would be absolutely direct in telling them this.
R – I’ve been followed, I’ve been followed – I don’t know. OK we’ll speak later tomorrow. And afterwards I’ll let you know, OK?
M – Thats fine. Go to bed.
R – Go and rest.
M – I am already resting but I don’t know if I will manage to sleep.
R – I think that I will not sleep. I will not manage to sleep after this s***.
M – But you know what I worry about? Its that you don’t sleep, you don’t stop thinking about this. Robert, you don’t stop thinking about this. You will be so nervous that you will maybe lose control tomorrow.
R – It depends if I manage to sleep. Go to bed.
M- Call me whenever.
R – Ok, Ok! Good night.
M – Ciao.Kisses.
R – Ciao, ciao.
-----------------------------------------
The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Phoebe 05.12.17 1:30
@ Verdi. These are fascinating! Thanks for putting them up. I don't understand what is meant by -
"but make a complaint to Lisbon for the end of the beach".
in the conversation between Murat and Michaela? It's an odd conversation in general and smacks of suspicion that the phone/s have been bugged. Too much "My life is an open book/ I have nothing to hide" to be genuine. I smell staging.
"but make a complaint to Lisbon for the end of the beach".
in the conversation between Murat and Michaela? It's an odd conversation in general and smacks of suspicion that the phone/s have been bugged. Too much "My life is an open book/ I have nothing to hide" to be genuine. I smell staging.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 05.12.17 1:49
It does seem a strange 'telephone' conversation between a bloke and his woman friend doesn't it?Phoebe wrote:@ Verdi. These are fascinating! Thanks for putting them up. I don't understand what is meant by -
"but make a complaint to Lisbon for the end of the beach".
in the conversation between Murat and Michaela? It's an odd conversation in general and smacks of suspicion that the phone/s have been bugged. Too much "My life is an open book/ I have nothing to hide" to be genuine. I smell staging.
Examining also the telecon between Sergey Malinka and his girlfriend reminds me that according to Malinka's version of the truth, he met with Murat at Murat's aunts place in Burgau.
Another Slav, Wojciech Krokowski from Poland was also connected to the location of Murat's aunt Sally Eveleigh. It's late so I've no desire to delve any further tonight but later is another day.
Tony Bennett has extensively researched this area as you will know, if he's not online to assist beforehand, I'll take a look
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 06.12.17 0:49
Processos Vol VI
Pages 1683-1691
Transcript of Telephone Interceptions
On 2nd June 2007, in the installations of the Portimao DIC, I, Carlos Moura, Police Interpreter, proceeded to effect the audition of the telephone registers relating to the code 1L769M, translating them into Portuguese:
Session no. 56
Elements related to the transcript:
Information Related to the Session:
Code : 1L769M
Session number: 56
Caller no.: 351282697628
Destination no.: 917462308
Time of initiation of call: 15.05.2007 15:15:08
Final time: 15.05.2007 15.27.31
Conversation in English.
Transcription:
Jen: Hi Sally! Oh..is
Sal: Hi Jen! Can I speak to Robert
Jen: He is speaking on the phone at the moment.
Sal: Then tell him to hang up, because I have Phil here to talk about the phone detecting thing.
Jen: Ah! She's got, she's got..
(A voice is heard in the background).
Jen: She needs you urgently.
( A voice is heard in the background saying that he will ring back in a couple of seconds).
Rob: Hello Sal!
Phil: (inaudible)
Rob: I'm sorry (laughs) sorry. Ahm..you probably don't know me, I'm the man (inaudible) on the television at the moment.
Phil: Hi Robert, yes...
Rob: How are you' Are you well'
Phil: yes, I'm fine, call me Phil, how are you'
Rob: Hi Phil!
Phil: I'm fine..at the moment I'm at Sally's house.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: But all the family is here, thats why....
Rob: Yes.
Phil: I'm a police officer from the UK.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Ahm..Sally told me about your mobile, ahm.
Rob: Signal, I have just, I have just been informed, they tell me that the signal of my two mobiles can be followed.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Ahm..
Phil: (inaudible) also.
Rob: Pardon, what did you say'
Phil: They can do this (inaudible) respectively.
Rob: What, what does that mean' Sorry.
Phil: There is a thing called search analysis of a mobile.
Rob: Ok, can I write this down, sorry'
Phil: Yes, of course, yes.
Rob: Search analysis of a mobile.
Phil: Thats right, what this means in practice is that the police could ask your telephone operator...
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Whoever that is..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Ahm.. the complete history of where your mobile was, the calls that were made, whether incoming or outgoing...
Rob: OK.
Phil: And..perhaps more importantly for you, they can even show where you were or could, could obtain the signal from where your phone was, this, this, I should tell you is not...
Rob: Where I was.
Phil: Certainly, yes, it does not show where you were.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: It only shows where your phone was, but..
Rob: Ok, ahm...but maybe it helps.
Phil: Without doubt, yes.
Rob: And the simple fact that probably you have already heard this a million times, I am completely innocent and simply I have.. you know, I can't manage to prove that this happened, ahm, and the simple fact is that I am trying to arrange ways of proving where I was.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: At the end of the day.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And this is a way of trying to do this, I did not know that this was possible.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: Ahm.. and thats why..you know, I was thinking if, if this were done, at the end of the day, because eventually, I don't know, I, I was here at home, but what reach does it have' What are does it cover and what does it give'
Phil: Well, this really depends on , on the number of satellites, where you were.
Rob: Right.
Phil: Normally as regards mobiles it can be anything between three and seven satellites.
Rob: Three to seven..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Three to seven satellites.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: OK.
Phil: And ahm.. this determines...if they were, if they were..lets say, three could locate close to a hundred yards (2.74m) or thereabouts.
Rob: So, about 100 yards.
Phil: Yes, a hundred yards or thereabouts, yes.
Rob: Or thereabouts, ok.
Phil: Ahm... and the more satellites, the more satellites there were, more..
Rob: The closer..
Phil: The closer, they could give a certain location.
Rob: Yes, OK that is absolutely...
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Fantastic, but for example if I were to move, with these, withese satellites, with these phones..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: They would move with me'
Phil: Yes, yes.
Rob: Ah, great, great.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: But you know, what happened was, I was here all night.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Thats why, if I were, ahm, if I were accused of something then I would have had to have moved from here.
Phil: (inaudible) yes.
Rob: I would not be at the, the , the site, now I can't remember if I made any calls from these mobiles.
Phil: Ah..
Rob: I will phone my operator in any case:
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And find out whether I made any calls that night with that phone.
Phil: Well, they have the history of your calls, ahm..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: About the, the..
Rob: Well they have of course, of course they have my phones at this moment, thats why..
Phil: (inaudible).
Rob: Yes, thats why they have my phones, my computers, everything.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: But at the end of the day I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.
Phil: Did you use your computer that night'
Rob: I think not, I'm not sure, I don't remember to be honest.
Phil: Because, again they can search the .. the history of the computer, thats why..
Rob:Of course.
Phil: If you had used your password.
Rob: Again, again, I gave them everything, thats why they have everything..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.
Phil: Hmm..
Rob: I didn't do anything. I'm being crucified.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: The whole of my life is being crucified.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And...my family are all being crucified, ahm...but I must say that the Leicester police have been absolutely fantastic with my family, even, even helping them.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: I even asked someone from the press to thank the Leicester police for all the work they have done and looked out for family members.
Phil: Hmm, hmm..
Rob: And I hope they will do it, I cannot look out for myself but I asked, asked them to look after this part, you know'
Phil: Yes, and it is better to leave this to them (inaudible).
Rob: They have been fantastic.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: However (inaudible).
Phil: (inaudible) another perspective, another perspective.
Rob: If I manage to think of other perspectives that could..
Phil: Hm..
Rob: Ahm... from the technological point of view, that could place me or situate me, or anything else..
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Please tell me because I am trying some things to see, to prove what I was doing.
Phil: Hmm...
Rob: But, as I have already said, I am desperate really, aren't I' You know, they are trying to paint me as a kind of malignant armadillo, when I did absolutely nothing.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: When I tried to help.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Ahm..it is..it is..I have to say That I am very frightened, when they began, when they began to join things together and ahm...I know that I didn't do anything.
Phil: Unfortunately the press, well, the impression I have is that the press here...
Rob: Yes.
Phil: They have to behave themselves reasonably well because of the “sub justice†aspect.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: But it is clear that with national (inaudible) it is not put into doubt, but the (inaudible) because now there is an international press, Sky TV can be seen all over the world..
Rob: Yes, thats true.
Phil: And these kind of things, that why I don't...I'm very.. I'm not familiar with the Portuguese work.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Ahm...from what I have seen up till now (inaudible).
Rob: Thats right, ok (laughs).
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Well, I wanted to say, I, I have been translating (inaudible) during the last few days.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: And the work they are doing there is absolutely, it even goes into the details, its really good, they follow all leads, of everything in every sense ahm.. and they, they are doing a really good job, I must, I must say, unfortunately I am at the wrong end of it at the moment.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm, I have to be honest, honest about it even though I hate (inaudible).
Phil: Hm, hm.
Rob: Because they are focussing on me, ahm.. I have to be honest, they are doing a very good job and you know they are involved in this..
Phil: Hm.
Rob: They work even, even in a very consolidated way, in this sense, but..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Really I shouldn't be criticising the people who are trying to crucify me.
Phil: Well, yes, there is one thing, from my point of view..
Rob: It doesn't seem very, very (inaudible)
Phil: Well, you know, these things happen and sometimes, ahm..you could look at other statistics..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Normally they are people who are known to the family or (inaudible) who are around and its clear that they want to communicate these kind of things that happen (inaudible).
Rob: Yes, exactly, exactly..
Phil: Ahm..
Rob: The other thing that worries me a lot is that they, they are leaving behind what is important, the little girl at the end of it all. My life is important, don'' get me wrong (laughs).
Phil: Hmm..yes.
Rob: My life is important, I don't want to be crucified and, and crucified and being completely innocent.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm..and I have been crucified, but they have, I hope they remain concentrated on that which, that which is important and that is finding the aggressors who have the girl.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: I think that at the moment that only I, however ahm.. that is what I, I want them to do.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: That with, that they continue to concentrate on this aspect. Ahm, ok, very, very much obliged for your help, I thank you very, very much, I hope that we manage that this has some result, in some way.
Phil: Yes, this is an alt, another alternative is that if you were at home that night, see what you were doing, with relation to what you were doing that night and who was with you and this type of thing.
Rob: Yes, that is the other side of it, the truth is that I was sitting here with my mother and ahm..I walked around the house and sat down, sat down (inaudible).
Phil: Hm.
Rob: And ahm..this is where the oldest people live basically.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: There are always ambulances passing by.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: And I was helping my mother do some little things, I think she arrived home at about eight ahm.. and I was..I think that I arrived first, I am sure, I think I am almost certain that I arrived first. I cannot remember exactly, that is the problem, I think I arrived first and joined her when she arrived and ahmm..basically I was here all night talking and laughing and that, we heard some sirens pass and I said on, that is just (inaudible) (laughs).
Phil: Hm.
Rob: That a girl has disappeared and that everything led on from there is a hell, it s a hell.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: But now I, I..what I am going to do now is to contact my sister, she is prepared to give a statement to the Leicester police.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm.. I'm going to ask her to ask whether they ca, whether they have legal authority to do this mobile thing.
Phil: Ahm..an Emglish phone'
Rob: I have an English phone and another Portuguese phone, I carry both of them with me.
Phil: Right.
Rob: Thats why I'm trying to find out the perspective of the English phone.
Phil: Yes, but they could do the same with your Portuguese phone.
Rob: Right, but I don't know whether they have permission to do this, thats the problem.
Phil: Ahm..
Rob: Or whether they can request this, or anything else, to see if we can...
Phil: Normally not..in the UK you need an authorisation to do this type of thing.
Rob: Right.
Phil: Ahm and (inaudible) nut this is clear (inaudible) without your knowing.
Rob. Right, OK.
Phil: Ahm..but, but if you were to speak to Leicester police..
Rob: Hm.
Phil: They would have a mechanism for doing this, now..
Rob: That, that is what I would like to try.
Phil: Yes, yes.
Rob: And..I want to say ahm..at the end of the day, I, I know where I was, its simple.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And I was not in another place, if you want to know (laughs).
Phil: Yes. I know..the same, the same applies to a fixed phone, if you made a call from a fixed phone you could obtain, you could obtain...
Rob: The signal..
Phil: Well, they don't detect the signal, they can obtain the calls made and the calls received..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: If you were at home and somebody called, then..
Rob: I think, I think..I can't remember at what time it was, but I think I phoned my daughter, ahm..although I didn't speak to her, I left a message on the answering machine.
Phil: Ahm...
Rob: Because I think they were not there.
Phil: But I do not remember exactly at what time that was.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Ahm..but I hope that it could have been at about that time.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: However, I hope it was by phone, the phone in the house..
Phil: Hm.
Rob: I hope that this places me in a completely different site, at the site where I know I was.
Phil: Yes, yes.
Rob: (inaudible).
Phil: Yes.
Rob: But this is what I am going to try and do now.
Phil: Between, between these two things, between the two mobiles and the fixed telephone and whether you were ending emails on the computer or not...
Rob: Yes.
Phil: All these things could..
Rob: The place.
Phil: They could detect the place where you were (inaudible).
Rob: another, another thing, we have a ..a router that was installed by a private company, well the router, is a (inaudible) router, yes'
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm.. its the type that says..I don't know what this means, but it says that it is programmed for American time or something like that, there is some specific reason, would that be a problem, or..'
Phil: Well, I could look into that, frankly I think not, but..
Rob: Good, when we talk about this, he says he finds it strange.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: He was curious (inaudible).
Phil: Yes.
Rob: But only about this. OK!
Phil: (inaudible) they, they are technicians, in any way they will soon identify this, yes.
Rob: OK, sir, I thank you very, very much for your help.
Phil: (inaudible).
Rob: Many, many thanks.
Phil: Thats OK, mate, be well.
Rob: Be wll.
Phil: Bye.
Rob: Bye.
Interpretation by Carlos Moura
There not being more to transcribe this file is signed.
Pages 1683-1691
Transcript of Telephone Interceptions
On 2nd June 2007, in the installations of the Portimao DIC, I, Carlos Moura, Police Interpreter, proceeded to effect the audition of the telephone registers relating to the code 1L769M, translating them into Portuguese:
Session no. 56
Elements related to the transcript:
Information Related to the Session:
Code : 1L769M
Session number: 56
Caller no.: 351282697628
Destination no.: 917462308
Time of initiation of call: 15.05.2007 15:15:08
Final time: 15.05.2007 15.27.31
Conversation in English.
Transcription:
Jen: Hi Sally! Oh..is
Sal: Hi Jen! Can I speak to Robert
Jen: He is speaking on the phone at the moment.
Sal: Then tell him to hang up, because I have Phil here to talk about the phone detecting thing.
Jen: Ah! She's got, she's got..
(A voice is heard in the background).
Jen: She needs you urgently.
( A voice is heard in the background saying that he will ring back in a couple of seconds).
Rob: Hello Sal!
Phil: (inaudible)
Rob: I'm sorry (laughs) sorry. Ahm..you probably don't know me, I'm the man (inaudible) on the television at the moment.
Phil: Hi Robert, yes...
Rob: How are you' Are you well'
Phil: yes, I'm fine, call me Phil, how are you'
Rob: Hi Phil!
Phil: I'm fine..at the moment I'm at Sally's house.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: But all the family is here, thats why....
Rob: Yes.
Phil: I'm a police officer from the UK.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Ahm..Sally told me about your mobile, ahm.
Rob: Signal, I have just, I have just been informed, they tell me that the signal of my two mobiles can be followed.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Ahm..
Phil: (inaudible) also.
Rob: Pardon, what did you say'
Phil: They can do this (inaudible) respectively.
Rob: What, what does that mean' Sorry.
Phil: There is a thing called search analysis of a mobile.
Rob: Ok, can I write this down, sorry'
Phil: Yes, of course, yes.
Rob: Search analysis of a mobile.
Phil: Thats right, what this means in practice is that the police could ask your telephone operator...
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Whoever that is..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Ahm.. the complete history of where your mobile was, the calls that were made, whether incoming or outgoing...
Rob: OK.
Phil: And..perhaps more importantly for you, they can even show where you were or could, could obtain the signal from where your phone was, this, this, I should tell you is not...
Rob: Where I was.
Phil: Certainly, yes, it does not show where you were.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: It only shows where your phone was, but..
Rob: Ok, ahm...but maybe it helps.
Phil: Without doubt, yes.
Rob: And the simple fact that probably you have already heard this a million times, I am completely innocent and simply I have.. you know, I can't manage to prove that this happened, ahm, and the simple fact is that I am trying to arrange ways of proving where I was.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: At the end of the day.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And this is a way of trying to do this, I did not know that this was possible.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: Ahm.. and thats why..you know, I was thinking if, if this were done, at the end of the day, because eventually, I don't know, I, I was here at home, but what reach does it have' What are does it cover and what does it give'
Phil: Well, this really depends on , on the number of satellites, where you were.
Rob: Right.
Phil: Normally as regards mobiles it can be anything between three and seven satellites.
Rob: Three to seven..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Three to seven satellites.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: OK.
Phil: And ahm.. this determines...if they were, if they were..lets say, three could locate close to a hundred yards (2.74m) or thereabouts.
Rob: So, about 100 yards.
Phil: Yes, a hundred yards or thereabouts, yes.
Rob: Or thereabouts, ok.
Phil: Ahm... and the more satellites, the more satellites there were, more..
Rob: The closer..
Phil: The closer, they could give a certain location.
Rob: Yes, OK that is absolutely...
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Fantastic, but for example if I were to move, with these, withese satellites, with these phones..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: They would move with me'
Phil: Yes, yes.
Rob: Ah, great, great.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: But you know, what happened was, I was here all night.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Thats why, if I were, ahm, if I were accused of something then I would have had to have moved from here.
Phil: (inaudible) yes.
Rob: I would not be at the, the , the site, now I can't remember if I made any calls from these mobiles.
Phil: Ah..
Rob: I will phone my operator in any case:
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And find out whether I made any calls that night with that phone.
Phil: Well, they have the history of your calls, ahm..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: About the, the..
Rob: Well they have of course, of course they have my phones at this moment, thats why..
Phil: (inaudible).
Rob: Yes, thats why they have my phones, my computers, everything.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: But at the end of the day I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.
Phil: Did you use your computer that night'
Rob: I think not, I'm not sure, I don't remember to be honest.
Phil: Because, again they can search the .. the history of the computer, thats why..
Rob:Of course.
Phil: If you had used your password.
Rob: Again, again, I gave them everything, thats why they have everything..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.
Phil: Hmm..
Rob: I didn't do anything. I'm being crucified.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: The whole of my life is being crucified.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And...my family are all being crucified, ahm...but I must say that the Leicester police have been absolutely fantastic with my family, even, even helping them.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: I even asked someone from the press to thank the Leicester police for all the work they have done and looked out for family members.
Phil: Hmm, hmm..
Rob: And I hope they will do it, I cannot look out for myself but I asked, asked them to look after this part, you know'
Phil: Yes, and it is better to leave this to them (inaudible).
Rob: They have been fantastic.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: However (inaudible).
Phil: (inaudible) another perspective, another perspective.
Rob: If I manage to think of other perspectives that could..
Phil: Hm..
Rob: Ahm... from the technological point of view, that could place me or situate me, or anything else..
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Please tell me because I am trying some things to see, to prove what I was doing.
Phil: Hmm...
Rob: But, as I have already said, I am desperate really, aren't I' You know, they are trying to paint me as a kind of malignant armadillo, when I did absolutely nothing.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: When I tried to help.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Ahm..it is..it is..I have to say That I am very frightened, when they began, when they began to join things together and ahm...I know that I didn't do anything.
Phil: Unfortunately the press, well, the impression I have is that the press here...
Rob: Yes.
Phil: They have to behave themselves reasonably well because of the “sub justice†aspect.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: But it is clear that with national (inaudible) it is not put into doubt, but the (inaudible) because now there is an international press, Sky TV can be seen all over the world..
Rob: Yes, thats true.
Phil: And these kind of things, that why I don't...I'm very.. I'm not familiar with the Portuguese work.
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Ahm...from what I have seen up till now (inaudible).
Rob: Thats right, ok (laughs).
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Well, I wanted to say, I, I have been translating (inaudible) during the last few days.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: And the work they are doing there is absolutely, it even goes into the details, its really good, they follow all leads, of everything in every sense ahm.. and they, they are doing a really good job, I must, I must say, unfortunately I am at the wrong end of it at the moment.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm, I have to be honest, honest about it even though I hate (inaudible).
Phil: Hm, hm.
Rob: Because they are focussing on me, ahm.. I have to be honest, they are doing a very good job and you know they are involved in this..
Phil: Hm.
Rob: They work even, even in a very consolidated way, in this sense, but..
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Really I shouldn't be criticising the people who are trying to crucify me.
Phil: Well, yes, there is one thing, from my point of view..
Rob: It doesn't seem very, very (inaudible)
Phil: Well, you know, these things happen and sometimes, ahm..you could look at other statistics..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: Normally they are people who are known to the family or (inaudible) who are around and its clear that they want to communicate these kind of things that happen (inaudible).
Rob: Yes, exactly, exactly..
Phil: Ahm..
Rob: The other thing that worries me a lot is that they, they are leaving behind what is important, the little girl at the end of it all. My life is important, don'' get me wrong (laughs).
Phil: Hmm..yes.
Rob: My life is important, I don't want to be crucified and, and crucified and being completely innocent.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm..and I have been crucified, but they have, I hope they remain concentrated on that which, that which is important and that is finding the aggressors who have the girl.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: I think that at the moment that only I, however ahm.. that is what I, I want them to do.
Phil: Hm..
Rob: That with, that they continue to concentrate on this aspect. Ahm, ok, very, very much obliged for your help, I thank you very, very much, I hope that we manage that this has some result, in some way.
Phil: Yes, this is an alt, another alternative is that if you were at home that night, see what you were doing, with relation to what you were doing that night and who was with you and this type of thing.
Rob: Yes, that is the other side of it, the truth is that I was sitting here with my mother and ahm..I walked around the house and sat down, sat down (inaudible).
Phil: Hm.
Rob: And ahm..this is where the oldest people live basically.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: There are always ambulances passing by.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: And I was helping my mother do some little things, I think she arrived home at about eight ahm.. and I was..I think that I arrived first, I am sure, I think I am almost certain that I arrived first. I cannot remember exactly, that is the problem, I think I arrived first and joined her when she arrived and ahmm..basically I was here all night talking and laughing and that, we heard some sirens pass and I said on, that is just (inaudible) (laughs).
Phil: Hm.
Rob: That a girl has disappeared and that everything led on from there is a hell, it s a hell.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: But now I, I..what I am going to do now is to contact my sister, she is prepared to give a statement to the Leicester police.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm.. I'm going to ask her to ask whether they ca, whether they have legal authority to do this mobile thing.
Phil: Ahm..an Emglish phone'
Rob: I have an English phone and another Portuguese phone, I carry both of them with me.
Phil: Right.
Rob: Thats why I'm trying to find out the perspective of the English phone.
Phil: Yes, but they could do the same with your Portuguese phone.
Rob: Right, but I don't know whether they have permission to do this, thats the problem.
Phil: Ahm..
Rob: Or whether they can request this, or anything else, to see if we can...
Phil: Normally not..in the UK you need an authorisation to do this type of thing.
Rob: Right.
Phil: Ahm and (inaudible) nut this is clear (inaudible) without your knowing.
Rob. Right, OK.
Phil: Ahm..but, but if you were to speak to Leicester police..
Rob: Hm.
Phil: They would have a mechanism for doing this, now..
Rob: That, that is what I would like to try.
Phil: Yes, yes.
Rob: And..I want to say ahm..at the end of the day, I, I know where I was, its simple.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: And I was not in another place, if you want to know (laughs).
Phil: Yes. I know..the same, the same applies to a fixed phone, if you made a call from a fixed phone you could obtain, you could obtain...
Rob: The signal..
Phil: Well, they don't detect the signal, they can obtain the calls made and the calls received..
Rob: Yes.
Phil: If you were at home and somebody called, then..
Rob: I think, I think..I can't remember at what time it was, but I think I phoned my daughter, ahm..although I didn't speak to her, I left a message on the answering machine.
Phil: Ahm...
Rob: Because I think they were not there.
Phil: But I do not remember exactly at what time that was.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: Ahm..but I hope that it could have been at about that time.
Phil: Hm.
Rob: However, I hope it was by phone, the phone in the house..
Phil: Hm.
Rob: I hope that this places me in a completely different site, at the site where I know I was.
Phil: Yes, yes.
Rob: (inaudible).
Phil: Yes.
Rob: But this is what I am going to try and do now.
Phil: Between, between these two things, between the two mobiles and the fixed telephone and whether you were ending emails on the computer or not...
Rob: Yes.
Phil: All these things could..
Rob: The place.
Phil: They could detect the place where you were (inaudible).
Rob: another, another thing, we have a ..a router that was installed by a private company, well the router, is a (inaudible) router, yes'
Phil: Hm.
Rob: Ahm.. its the type that says..I don't know what this means, but it says that it is programmed for American time or something like that, there is some specific reason, would that be a problem, or..'
Phil: Well, I could look into that, frankly I think not, but..
Rob: Good, when we talk about this, he says he finds it strange.
Phil: Yes.
Rob: He was curious (inaudible).
Phil: Yes.
Rob: But only about this. OK!
Phil: (inaudible) they, they are technicians, in any way they will soon identify this, yes.
Rob: OK, sir, I thank you very, very much for your help.
Phil: (inaudible).
Rob: Many, many thanks.
Phil: Thats OK, mate, be well.
Rob: Be wll.
Phil: Bye.
Rob: Bye.
Interpretation by Carlos Moura
There not being more to transcribe this file is signed.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 06.12.17 0:54
Sergey Malinka witness statement - 16th May 2007 ..
--- Also in Burgau he has a client by the name of "SALLY", a female, who is an aunt or cousin of ROBERT. She has a home called 'Salsalito' near the International School of Burgau. This visit occurred about a week ago, day 08 or 09.
--- Also in Burgau he has a client by the name of "SALLY", a female, who is an aunt or cousin of ROBERT. She has a home called 'Salsalito' near the International School of Burgau. This visit occurred about a week ago, day 08 or 09.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by polyenne 06.12.17 5:27
So why was Philip Allen, a serving Thames Valley Police Officer (with a Portuguese holiday home) so keen to offer information to RM ?
Seems strange when he knows another UK police force is involved in the wider investigation.
Thank you for posting these Verdi, I’d not chanced on them previously.
Seems strange when he knows another UK police force is involved in the wider investigation.
Thank you for posting these Verdi, I’d not chanced on them previously.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 06.12.17 21:19
The six million dollar question - why, and I will add how!polyenne wrote:So why was Philip Allen, a serving Thames Valley Police Officer (with a Portuguese holiday home) so keen to offer information to RM ?
Seems strange when he knows another UK police force is involved in the wider investigation.
Thank you for posting these Verdi, I’d not chanced on them previously.
Robert Murat would appear to have been very concerned about the police tracing phone calls, I can think of only one reason why that might be. The bloke, much like Ms Healy's harlequin pants and miscellaneous accessories, reeks suspicion.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 06.12.17 21:22
Report of Telephone Interceptions
Call made on 15-05-2007
Transcribed on 27th May at Portimao PJ station.
(NB: The Transcript is only available in PT in the files)
Conversation in English.
JM - Jennifer Murat
MB - Martin Brunt
RM - Robert Murat
Transcription:
JM: Hello. Residence of JM.
MB: Hello, Martin Brunt speaking.
JM: Hi dear.
MB: Hi, is everything all-right?
JM: Yes, Robert is a little depressed now.
MB: I?m sure he is..
JM: It was not very nice of Sky News to refer to him as arguido, don't you think?
MB: Hmmm, I didnt see that. I was up at our house. What are they saying with regard to that?
JM: Robert Murat has been made an arguido in the case of Madeleine McCann.
MB: What does the term arguido mean in Portuguese?
JM: What does arguido mean, Robert?
RM: Suspect.
JM: Suspect.
MB: Ok , well, I'm not completely familiar with legal Portuguese terms. I think that someone said.....that the police said they were treating Robert as an arguido.
JM: Robert, as an arguido?
MB: What I mean is, what is that...
JM: I'm going to pass you to Robert. Don't hang up Martin.
MB: Ok thanks.
RM: Hello Martin.
MB: Hello Robert.
RM: Your number didnt show up, thats why I didn't know who it was...
MB: Oh my, I didn't send you my number...
RM: Thats OK.
MB: Well, I will see if I mange not to lose this one, if I can find the tool (laughs).
RM: (Inaudible).
MB: Ok we will try, I mean I have not seen it yet...But we will try to expl...The police say or was it the local journalists who say you should be treated as an arguido.
RM: That he is a suspect, basically..
MB: Yes, well, even so...given the tone of the interrogation..
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And the fact of being free which says a lot about the interest in you, eh..
RM: That is the same as finishing me off...It was not me...I didnt do anything..and now I am literally...
MB: Ok, I know, I think...
RM: It always on when I turn the TV on and even now...
MB: Yes...well it would be better to turn it off..
RM: Really. To have been quiet was the best thing I could have done.
MB: Yes.
RM: But when I turn the television on I think , eh...They are going to finish me off completely, they are finishing me off...
MB: Ok, ok I'm going to tell you that...
RM: In order to have an idea..
MB: I?ll tell you what we are going to do.
RM: Did you talk to the lawyer?
MB: Two things! We talked to the Sky Lawyer...
RM: Right.
MB: Whos is of the opinion that according to what you signed you reported your work as being that of a translator.
RM: Certainly, as far as... the thing is that is was...Let me ..eh...it probably is ...oh!...
MB: Go on, continue...
RM: We talked, we talked to a Sky lawyer, but the problem with the Sky lawyer is that he is English!
MB: Yes...No, no, no... he is or lawyer.
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And can you see, he said what it seemed to be to him...
RM: Hmmm?
MB: according to his understanding.
RM: According to his understanding, exactly...
MB: And now we are reluctant to talk to the lawyer who contacted you.
RM: That riight. OK.
MB: We do not know him.
RM: OK.
MB: And you do not know him, well you dont?
RM: Exactly, thats right. I do not know him, mate.
MB: And we do not know where he came from or what his credibility is.
RM: Yes.
MB: And they told us that the police were going to play games with false leads and that was why. And who knows whether he is who he says he is?
RM: Thats right. OK.
MB: And he could be trying to test you out or hoping that we pass him some information.
RM: Certainly.
MB: Eh...we know that you suspect that your calls are being listened to, because of this...
RM: Humm, hmmm.
MB: Right? Because of this reason we are very reluctant because we do not know him and you do not know him.
RM: But however...I mean the best option you have to come clean with this, would probably be to go with a lawyer from Lisbon. Eh...somebody...with someone from up there. Not from the Algarve. It would have to be someone from Lisbon. Is that OK?
MB: Thats ok, I will try to arrange for someone from there...but..
RM: OK!
MB: But our position in relation to all this, for the moment, as I has explained previously, is that we consider ourselves to be very important ? and I think it was your opinion initially ? to do something finally that would manage to be on your side...
RM: Yes and that would not lead to my being detained immediately!
MB: Of course, of course! And you know, many of the things that you told me were not attributed to me...I understand and I don?t want to enter into all those details and we did not do anything since I left you...
RM: No, no, no, no...
MB: I am sure that you understand.
RM: Yes, yes! Yes.
MB: And if there is anything that better clarifies, that you think you could say, that could also be used in the future.
RM: Of course.
MB: You know, you could quote Sky sources and others..
RM: Yes that would be perfect. That would be just perfect!
MB: But I think it is important that you should have the media there and if we could appear, briefly, and make statements in these terms: ?I was questioned, it was a vague questioning, I was not asked direct questions about Madeleine? and afterwards you explain to me how you felt that they made you a scape goat, that you have nothing to hide, even if your computer is analysed. And that at the end of the day you will be absolved and they will find the true abductor/kidnapper.
RM: We could.. you could.. Lets first look at this with a Portuguese lawyer, we will won't we?
MB: Yes...No...
RM: Are you going to do this?
MB: I will do my best to arrange for one now...
RM: Yes.
MB: But, but ...independently of what the lawyer thinks, I think that this is the clearest option. But we will have to try to find someone who.....
RM: Yes, I think this is the simplest. Can you confirm this. I am here having a family discussion to see what they think...
MB: Ah yes. Of course I will. But I am talking about making very clear statements.
RM: Yes, ok!
MB: That they do not enter into many details but into the way you can get your message across.
RM: Get it across..OK:
MB: That you give your version of the events, given that the only version of events is vague and...
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: And that the two local journalists and everyone are very against you...and that there is nobody with the exception of my interview with Sally...
RM: Yes?
MB: There has nobody who has spoken in favour of Robert Murat because of this...
RM: In fact of the many interviews given I have heard that there were some positive ones...people contradicting each other...
MB: Yes?
RM: They arrived and said....no, no...they have been very positive about this...
MB: Of course. people from the area...
RM: People from here..Exactly, exactly...
MB: Inaudible
RM : exactly
MB: Who know what happened...
RM: Many people from the area said very positive things about this...about me, which is useful.
MB: Of course, well I will see what I can find and get back in touch with you.
RM: OK, Bye.
MB: And if we agree on this..
RM: Yes..
MB: And if we could agree to appear for 15 minutes..
RM: I never have any problem with making a statement..
MB: OK
RM: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I dont want to end up in prison....(sigh)
MB: That would be the last thing we want...
RM: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...
MB: I understand that and I understand the sensitive nature of everything that we have been working with since we arrived here, so...
RM: Ok..
MB: Can I phone you again in half an hour?
RM: Good bye, thank you very much.
MB: Good bye.
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What a pity Sergey Malinka was so reluctant to answer questions during his very brief membership on CMoMM.
Call made on 15-05-2007
Transcribed on 27th May at Portimao PJ station.
(NB: The Transcript is only available in PT in the files)
Conversation in English.
JM - Jennifer Murat
MB - Martin Brunt
RM - Robert Murat
Transcription:
JM: Hello. Residence of JM.
MB: Hello, Martin Brunt speaking.
JM: Hi dear.
MB: Hi, is everything all-right?
JM: Yes, Robert is a little depressed now.
MB: I?m sure he is..
JM: It was not very nice of Sky News to refer to him as arguido, don't you think?
MB: Hmmm, I didnt see that. I was up at our house. What are they saying with regard to that?
JM: Robert Murat has been made an arguido in the case of Madeleine McCann.
MB: What does the term arguido mean in Portuguese?
JM: What does arguido mean, Robert?
RM: Suspect.
JM: Suspect.
MB: Ok , well, I'm not completely familiar with legal Portuguese terms. I think that someone said.....that the police said they were treating Robert as an arguido.
JM: Robert, as an arguido?
MB: What I mean is, what is that...
JM: I'm going to pass you to Robert. Don't hang up Martin.
MB: Ok thanks.
RM: Hello Martin.
MB: Hello Robert.
RM: Your number didnt show up, thats why I didn't know who it was...
MB: Oh my, I didn't send you my number...
RM: Thats OK.
MB: Well, I will see if I mange not to lose this one, if I can find the tool (laughs).
RM: (Inaudible).
MB: Ok we will try, I mean I have not seen it yet...But we will try to expl...The police say or was it the local journalists who say you should be treated as an arguido.
RM: That he is a suspect, basically..
MB: Yes, well, even so...given the tone of the interrogation..
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And the fact of being free which says a lot about the interest in you, eh..
RM: That is the same as finishing me off...It was not me...I didnt do anything..and now I am literally...
MB: Ok, I know, I think...
RM: It always on when I turn the TV on and even now...
MB: Yes...well it would be better to turn it off..
RM: Really. To have been quiet was the best thing I could have done.
MB: Yes.
RM: But when I turn the television on I think , eh...They are going to finish me off completely, they are finishing me off...
MB: Ok, ok I'm going to tell you that...
RM: In order to have an idea..
MB: I?ll tell you what we are going to do.
RM: Did you talk to the lawyer?
MB: Two things! We talked to the Sky Lawyer...
RM: Right.
MB: Whos is of the opinion that according to what you signed you reported your work as being that of a translator.
RM: Certainly, as far as... the thing is that is was...Let me ..eh...it probably is ...oh!...
MB: Go on, continue...
RM: We talked, we talked to a Sky lawyer, but the problem with the Sky lawyer is that he is English!
MB: Yes...No, no, no... he is or lawyer.
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And can you see, he said what it seemed to be to him...
RM: Hmmm?
MB: according to his understanding.
RM: According to his understanding, exactly...
MB: And now we are reluctant to talk to the lawyer who contacted you.
RM: That riight. OK.
MB: We do not know him.
RM: OK.
MB: And you do not know him, well you dont?
RM: Exactly, thats right. I do not know him, mate.
MB: And we do not know where he came from or what his credibility is.
RM: Yes.
MB: And they told us that the police were going to play games with false leads and that was why. And who knows whether he is who he says he is?
RM: Thats right. OK.
MB: And he could be trying to test you out or hoping that we pass him some information.
RM: Certainly.
MB: Eh...we know that you suspect that your calls are being listened to, because of this...
RM: Humm, hmmm.
MB: Right? Because of this reason we are very reluctant because we do not know him and you do not know him.
RM: But however...I mean the best option you have to come clean with this, would probably be to go with a lawyer from Lisbon. Eh...somebody...with someone from up there. Not from the Algarve. It would have to be someone from Lisbon. Is that OK?
MB: Thats ok, I will try to arrange for someone from there...but..
RM: OK!
MB: But our position in relation to all this, for the moment, as I has explained previously, is that we consider ourselves to be very important ? and I think it was your opinion initially ? to do something finally that would manage to be on your side...
RM: Yes and that would not lead to my being detained immediately!
MB: Of course, of course! And you know, many of the things that you told me were not attributed to me...I understand and I don?t want to enter into all those details and we did not do anything since I left you...
RM: No, no, no, no...
MB: I am sure that you understand.
RM: Yes, yes! Yes.
MB: And if there is anything that better clarifies, that you think you could say, that could also be used in the future.
RM: Of course.
MB: You know, you could quote Sky sources and others..
RM: Yes that would be perfect. That would be just perfect!
MB: But I think it is important that you should have the media there and if we could appear, briefly, and make statements in these terms: ?I was questioned, it was a vague questioning, I was not asked direct questions about Madeleine? and afterwards you explain to me how you felt that they made you a scape goat, that you have nothing to hide, even if your computer is analysed. And that at the end of the day you will be absolved and they will find the true abductor/kidnapper.
RM: We could.. you could.. Lets first look at this with a Portuguese lawyer, we will won't we?
MB: Yes...No...
RM: Are you going to do this?
MB: I will do my best to arrange for one now...
RM: Yes.
MB: But, but ...independently of what the lawyer thinks, I think that this is the clearest option. But we will have to try to find someone who.....
RM: Yes, I think this is the simplest. Can you confirm this. I am here having a family discussion to see what they think...
MB: Ah yes. Of course I will. But I am talking about making very clear statements.
RM: Yes, ok!
MB: That they do not enter into many details but into the way you can get your message across.
RM: Get it across..OK:
MB: That you give your version of the events, given that the only version of events is vague and...
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: And that the two local journalists and everyone are very against you...and that there is nobody with the exception of my interview with Sally...
RM: Yes?
MB: There has nobody who has spoken in favour of Robert Murat because of this...
RM: In fact of the many interviews given I have heard that there were some positive ones...people contradicting each other...
MB: Yes?
RM: They arrived and said....no, no...they have been very positive about this...
MB: Of course. people from the area...
RM: People from here..Exactly, exactly...
MB: Inaudible
RM : exactly
MB: Who know what happened...
RM: Many people from the area said very positive things about this...about me, which is useful.
MB: Of course, well I will see what I can find and get back in touch with you.
RM: OK, Bye.
MB: And if we agree on this..
RM: Yes..
MB: And if we could agree to appear for 15 minutes..
RM: I never have any problem with making a statement..
MB: OK
RM: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I dont want to end up in prison....(sigh)
MB: That would be the last thing we want...
RM: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...
MB: I understand that and I understand the sensitive nature of everything that we have been working with since we arrived here, so...
RM: Ok..
MB: Can I phone you again in half an hour?
RM: Good bye, thank you very much.
MB: Good bye.
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Transcription of Telephone Interception
On 26th May 2007 in the Portimao PJ installations the telephone registers were listened to and interpreted into Portuguese.
Call date: 15.05.2007
Conversation in English
Transcription
MB: Is Robert there?
JM: This is me..Jenny:
MB: This is Martin Brunt, Jenny.
JM: Yes.
MB: I thought it was better to send you my number when I call so that you know its me.
JM: Yes.
MB: Um...look...I just...I just wanted to know whether Robert has contacted his lawyer friend.
JM. At the moment, not yet because he is talking on the phone to his sister.
MB: OK.
JM: He spoke ..he also spoke to Leicester police who are with his sister at the moment.
MB: Right, right, ah...Ok...There's just one thing I would like to tell him about ...his worries about talking (inaudible) to the McCann family (inaudible).
JM: I am letting him listen, I am letting him listen.
MB: I would just like to explain one thing to him and...
JM: Ok.
MB: And could help him...to arrive.
JM: Robert, its Mar ..Martin he has some news for you (speaks to a third person) Wait a minute, I (inaudible).
MB: Thats OK.
RM: Hello mate.
MB: Hi, just very quickly, this could be an important question.
RM. OK.
MB: Ahhm...The idea that nobody involved should talk .... the McCann family have talked regularly and they are key witnesses in this investigation.
RM: That is not a good question, sorry, its a good question but they are not ready to detain them are they?
MB: They cant...
RM: They are not prepared to detain them especially with the public pressure, so no..
MB: Well, no, no, no..but, but....I only think, a lawyer drew my attention to (inaudible) nobody...
RM: No, thats good, thats very good, in fact there are still no (inaudible) in the statements because I was on the phone, OK?
MB: Thats right.
RM: But the truth is I have found some very good information, I hope it will be very good, unhappily out of sight, I really did make a phone call from her at eight fifteen at night.
MB: OK.
RM: And I made another call at eleven fifty three at night so, from the home telephone and to a number that only I would ring, its not a number my mother would dial.
MB: OK.
RM: Hmm, however, this could begin to be positive, but now I'm trying to find out whether my Dawn, I've just spoken to Dawn, ahhm...to see if she could, ahhmm...ask for the telephone records in the UK.
MB: OK
RM: And see if she calls me later tonight.
MB: Right.
RM: However I am not certain of how well this will turn out but if she could do this for me that would be great, I mean (inaudible) if, if they could prove that I was here from eight fifteen...
MB: Yes.
RM: And that I did not leave, in the sense that my calls did not leave..
MB: Yes.
RM: You know...this is quite good (inaudible)..
MB: Yes, you know, I think this is quite important and...I think... I think this could be quite useful.
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: Yes and I mean..you should make clear...to prove where you were...I mean (inaudible) you should not have to prove anything.
RM: Well, that..that, that is true, but the way things are going, with all the strange things that are happening...
MB: Yes.
RM: I..I...I am going to do something to try, you know, to show that I ...was where i was, end of story.
MB: Yes.
RM: No, I do not see this, yes,,but if it were ..I am just going to stop this and afterwards I am going to do what I planned to do...em and then I will contact you.
MB: OK, fine.
RM: OK? Thanks
On 26th May 2007 in the Portimao PJ installations the telephone registers were listened to and interpreted into Portuguese.
Call date: 15.05.2007
Conversation in English
Transcription
MB: Is Robert there?
JM: This is me..Jenny:
MB: This is Martin Brunt, Jenny.
JM: Yes.
MB: I thought it was better to send you my number when I call so that you know its me.
JM: Yes.
MB: Um...look...I just...I just wanted to know whether Robert has contacted his lawyer friend.
JM. At the moment, not yet because he is talking on the phone to his sister.
MB: OK.
JM: He spoke ..he also spoke to Leicester police who are with his sister at the moment.
MB: Right, right, ah...Ok...There's just one thing I would like to tell him about ...his worries about talking (inaudible) to the McCann family (inaudible).
JM: I am letting him listen, I am letting him listen.
MB: I would just like to explain one thing to him and...
JM: Ok.
MB: And could help him...to arrive.
JM: Robert, its Mar ..Martin he has some news for you (speaks to a third person) Wait a minute, I (inaudible).
MB: Thats OK.
RM: Hello mate.
MB: Hi, just very quickly, this could be an important question.
RM. OK.
MB: Ahhm...The idea that nobody involved should talk .... the McCann family have talked regularly and they are key witnesses in this investigation.
RM: That is not a good question, sorry, its a good question but they are not ready to detain them are they?
MB: They cant...
RM: They are not prepared to detain them especially with the public pressure, so no..
MB: Well, no, no, no..but, but....I only think, a lawyer drew my attention to (inaudible) nobody...
RM: No, thats good, thats very good, in fact there are still no (inaudible) in the statements because I was on the phone, OK?
MB: Thats right.
RM: But the truth is I have found some very good information, I hope it will be very good, unhappily out of sight, I really did make a phone call from her at eight fifteen at night.
MB: OK.
RM: And I made another call at eleven fifty three at night so, from the home telephone and to a number that only I would ring, its not a number my mother would dial.
MB: OK.
RM: Hmm, however, this could begin to be positive, but now I'm trying to find out whether my Dawn, I've just spoken to Dawn, ahhm...to see if she could, ahhmm...ask for the telephone records in the UK.
MB: OK
RM: And see if she calls me later tonight.
MB: Right.
RM: However I am not certain of how well this will turn out but if she could do this for me that would be great, I mean (inaudible) if, if they could prove that I was here from eight fifteen...
MB: Yes.
RM: And that I did not leave, in the sense that my calls did not leave..
MB: Yes.
RM: You know...this is quite good (inaudible)..
MB: Yes, you know, I think this is quite important and...I think... I think this could be quite useful.
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: Yes and I mean..you should make clear...to prove where you were...I mean (inaudible) you should not have to prove anything.
RM: Well, that..that, that is true, but the way things are going, with all the strange things that are happening...
MB: Yes.
RM: I..I...I am going to do something to try, you know, to show that I ...was where i was, end of story.
MB: Yes.
RM: No, I do not see this, yes,,but if it were ..I am just going to stop this and afterwards I am going to do what I planned to do...em and then I will contact you.
MB: OK, fine.
RM: OK? Thanks
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Re: Documented Evidence
by polyenne 06.12.17 23:53
So what were Martin Brunt and Robert Murat involved in together ? Was RM installed as an interpreter on behalf of Sky News to get the inside line ? Had news already broken when he rushed back from the UK ? Did MB already know too ?
And I’m intrigued by the phrase “finish me off” as it implies that sometimes had already been started.
And I’m intrigued by the phrase “finish me off” as it implies that sometimes had already been started.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 07.12.17 0:34
Perhaps this answers your question polyenne..
Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat
As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.
In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.
In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.
The work [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.
As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.
Before [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.
It behoves me further to state that that suspicion became even more consolidated, following the fact that I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces [items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry, to the point that I followed my own consultation [hunch], in order to conduct the Diane Webster interview.
Finally, and in the sense of reiterating the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" (in which the events under investigation had taken place) and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses the agreement with which [i.e. had they agreed to follow those suggested lines of inquiry] could be intended to impute the consummation of the present illegal act [the missing child] to foreign third parties [i.e. to put the blame on, or to attribute the blame to, outside foreigners].
The above being exposed [laid bare] - and without intending in any way to place in question the competence of the above individual, nor the slightest imputation that that [my suspicions] was what he wanted to be [actually intended to do] - I have to bring the above incidents to your attention, in order for you to determine what may be appropriate.11 May 2007
Inspector
Pedro Varanda
Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat
As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.
In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.
In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.
The work [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.
As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.
Before [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.
It behoves me further to state that that suspicion became even more consolidated, following the fact that I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces [items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry, to the point that I followed my own consultation [hunch], in order to conduct the Diane Webster interview.
Finally, and in the sense of reiterating the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" (in which the events under investigation had taken place) and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses the agreement with which [i.e. had they agreed to follow those suggested lines of inquiry] could be intended to impute the consummation of the present illegal act [the missing child] to foreign third parties [i.e. to put the blame on, or to attribute the blame to, outside foreigners].
The above being exposed [laid bare] - and without intending in any way to place in question the competence of the above individual, nor the slightest imputation that that [my suspicions] was what he wanted to be [actually intended to do] - I have to bring the above incidents to your attention, in order for you to determine what may be appropriate.11 May 2007
Inspector
Pedro Varanda
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Re: Documented Evidence
by polyenne 07.12.17 13:24
So, can someone refresh my memory.....who installed Murat as an interpretor ? If, as surmised by some, he offered his services, it is an uncanny coincidence that he rushed back from the UK on the first flight on Tuesday 1st May. This is another possible clue as to the timing as to what happened to Madeleine.
When did Brunt arrive in PdL, 4 May ? Or was he already there....he did own a property nearby after all.
Were they both assets of the government/Secret Services ?
They were certainly pals, with Brunt offering the services of the Sky lawyers, so whne did they first meet ?
It is my opinion that Murat was set up as a patsy and that he had some sympathy from other quarters.
When did Brunt arrive in PdL, 4 May ? Or was he already there....he did own a property nearby after all.
Were they both assets of the government/Secret Services ?
They were certainly pals, with Brunt offering the services of the Sky lawyers, so whne did they first meet ?
It is my opinion that Murat was set up as a patsy and that he had some sympathy from other quarters.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 07.12.17 15:46
Tony has worked extensively on the subject of Robert Murat.
He's not online at the moment - if he doesn't beat me to it, I'll see if I can locate the relevant link to hopefully answer your questions later.
He's not online at the moment - if he doesn't beat me to it, I'll see if I can locate the relevant link to hopefully answer your questions later.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 08.12.17 1:17
polyenne wrote:Thank you Verdi
There are a number of threads dedicated to Robert Murat - here's some to be getting on with.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
That should keep you going for a while
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 09.12.17 15:36
A bit more on Robert Murat which could well explain the connection he had with Martin Brunt of Sky News..
Snipped from Robert Murat's arguido statement - 14th May 2007
--- At some point on Monday, a well-known acquaintance since the age of twelve years, named GAYNOR Exxxxxx, told him that he was the main suspect among the journalists. Subsequently he learned that she was working for "Sky", with a journalist, and she was told that they were comparing with a case of homicide that occurred in the United Kingdom, in which two girls had been killed and that the perpetrators of the crime were close to the place of the investigation. From then on he refused to speak with journalists and alerted the the Police to this. That refusal [of his] was to not provide his full name, nor to allow the taking of a photograph.
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Snipped from Robert Murat's arguido statement - 14th May 2007
--- At some point on Monday, a well-known acquaintance since the age of twelve years, named GAYNOR Exxxxxx, told him that he was the main suspect among the journalists. Subsequently he learned that she was working for "Sky", with a journalist, and she was told that they were comparing with a case of homicide that occurred in the United Kingdom, in which two girls had been killed and that the perpetrators of the crime were close to the place of the investigation. From then on he refused to speak with journalists and alerted the the Police to this. That refusal [of his] was to not provide his full name, nor to allow the taking of a photograph.
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| GAYNOR DE JESUS (32) Year 2007 Gaynor de Jesus went to school with Robert Murat. On 15th May she told how when she arrived at the apartment block from which Madeleine was abducted 11 days before, Mr Murat was there talking to police. She also said that Mr Murat told her he was working as a police translator helping witnesses to make statements. She said: "Like me, he knows these guys and he was very at ease, very comfortable with them. He said he had been working as the unofficial translator for police." | |||||
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Re: Documented Evidence
by polyenne 09.12.17 15:41
I agree that might be “a connection” but that’s a far cry from Brunt offering him the services of a Sky lawyer.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 09.12.17 15:44
Robert Murat arguido statement - 14th May 2007
--- He said he had pornography on the computer. He has pictures with women over 18 years. He has no photographs of men. Just naked women, not sexually explicit, not remembering if they were using phallic objects. He has no record of violent sex, or sadomasochism or submission. He does not have images of rape, or fetishes with children or animals. He does not use an encrypted external server or encrypted content.
--- Asked he said he has nothing to do with the disappearance of the child, nor anything about this case.
--- Asked he clarified that never has anyone accessed, without his authorization, his computer systems, a total of three, one an ACER (which has the Vista operating system installed), another an ASUS brand and his own an LG, these two systems having the XP operating system installed.
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Asked he said he does not see himself as an expert in computing and communications but these are areas that are not unknown to him, given that he had his first computer some ten years ago.
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Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems.
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Asked how he does not know well the effects of the program, if he has known it for more than three years, he said that he is not expert. Asked if he uses cryptography on his computers, he said categorically not. Asked if he would use strong encryption in the Internet browser, [he said] he does not use encrypted communications on the Internet and in his computer system. That he does not use nor has encrypted data in his systems, nor used enciphering to mask, hide or to prevent access to data contained in his systems. Asked if he uses encryption or enciphering in e-mail communications, he declared: that he did not know what it is or how to use encryption. Asked about how he could justify the presence of several encrypted or enciphered files, of credentials to access programs, in his systems, seeing he is an experienced user with more than ten years in the use of personal computers and no-one else had access to his network without authorization, he said: "I would not know how to justify that."
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Asked how he explains the contradiction of maintaining a contradiction between the maintenance of his network unprotected or "open" and his experience that must be telling him to act to the contrary in respect of the security of his network, he said "not to have thought of that."
--- He said he had pornography on the computer. He has pictures with women over 18 years. He has no photographs of men. Just naked women, not sexually explicit, not remembering if they were using phallic objects. He has no record of violent sex, or sadomasochism or submission. He does not have images of rape, or fetishes with children or animals. He does not use an encrypted external server or encrypted content.
--- Asked he said he has nothing to do with the disappearance of the child, nor anything about this case.
--- Asked he clarified that never has anyone accessed, without his authorization, his computer systems, a total of three, one an ACER (which has the Vista operating system installed), another an ASUS brand and his own an LG, these two systems having the XP operating system installed.
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Asked he said he does not see himself as an expert in computing and communications but these are areas that are not unknown to him, given that he had his first computer some ten years ago.
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Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems.
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Asked how he does not know well the effects of the program, if he has known it for more than three years, he said that he is not expert. Asked if he uses cryptography on his computers, he said categorically not. Asked if he would use strong encryption in the Internet browser, [he said] he does not use encrypted communications on the Internet and in his computer system. That he does not use nor has encrypted data in his systems, nor used enciphering to mask, hide or to prevent access to data contained in his systems. Asked if he uses encryption or enciphering in e-mail communications, he declared: that he did not know what it is or how to use encryption. Asked about how he could justify the presence of several encrypted or enciphered files, of credentials to access programs, in his systems, seeing he is an experienced user with more than ten years in the use of personal computers and no-one else had access to his network without authorization, he said: "I would not know how to justify that."
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Asked how he explains the contradiction of maintaining a contradiction between the maintenance of his network unprotected or "open" and his experience that must be telling him to act to the contrary in respect of the security of his network, he said "not to have thought of that."
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 09.12.17 15:50
polyenne wrote:I agree that might be “a connection” but that’s a far cry from Brunt offering him the services of a Sky lawyer.
I quite agree. It is nonetheless a connection worthy of note if by example, they moved in the same social and business circles
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Re: Documented Evidence
by sar 09.12.17 17:37
my "Spidey Senses"Verdi wrote:A bit more on Robert Murat which could well explain the connection he had with Martin Brunt of Sky News..
Snipped from Robert Murat's arguido statement - 14th May 2007
--- At some point on Monday, a well-known acquaintance since the age of twelve years, named GAYNOR Exxxxxx, told him that he was the main suspect among the journalists. Subsequently he learned that she was working for "Sky", with a journalist, and she was told that they were comparing with a case of homicide that occurred in the United Kingdom, in which two girls had been killed and that the perpetrators of the crime were close to the place of the investigation. From then on he refused to speak with journalists and alerted the the Police to this. That refusal [of his] was to not provide his full name, nor to allow the taking of a photograph.
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Gaynor de Jesus went to school with Robert Murat. On 15th May she told how when she arrived at the apartment block from which Madeleine was abducted 11 days before, Mr Murat was there talking to police. She also said that Mr Murat told her he was working as a police translator helping witnesses to make statements. She said: "Like me, he knows these guys and he was very at ease, very comfortable with them. He said he had been working as the unofficial translator for police."
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 14.12.17 12:31
Apropos of the Murat and Brunt liaison, I've nicked this exposé by forum owner Get'emGonçalo from the beginning of this year..
Martin Brunt is the Chief Crime Correspondent for SKY News. As such, he gets to cover all the major crime stories. And they don’t come much bigger than the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
One little known fact about Martin Brunt is that prior to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in May 2007, he had for many years owned a villa in the village.
It’s a curious place, Praia da Luz.
Serial sex abuser of women, Sir Clement Freud, also had a villa over there. Senior Freemason, Past Grand Master Edward Smethurst, the McCanns’ co-ordinating lawyer, has been holidaying in the village for the past 18 years. Martin Smith, with his strange tales of strangers who didn’t look like a tourist passing him down a dark alley, part-owns an apartment there. How could he tell in a second or two in the dark whether the bloke ‘looked like a tourist’ or not?
Another long-term resident of Praia da Luz, of course, was the mysterious Robert Murat. And here’s where we begin to get really interested in Martin Brunt, because we have in the PJ files two recorded conversations between Martin Brunt and Robert Murat, both on the same day - 15 May 2007 - the day after Murat was made an arguido.
These conversations are curious for a number of reasons. First, Brunt, Robert Murat and Jenny Murat, his mother, all seem very chummy-chummy on the ’phone.
JENNY MURAT: Hello. Residence of Jenny Murat.
MARTIN BRUNT: Hello, Martin Brunt speaking.
JENNY MURAT: Hi dear.
Did they perhaps all know each other well before May 2007?
Most interest centres around exactly why Martin Brunt was offering the services of SKY News’s lawyers to Murat. What was the motive for that? Who at SKY News authorised Brunt to make such an offer to Murat?
Even more interest centres around this little exchange at the end of the first Brunt-Murat conversation:
ROBERT MURAT: I never have any problem with making a statement.
MARTIN BRUNT: OK
ROBERT MURAT: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I don’t want to end up in prison....(sigh)
MARTIN BRUNT: That would be the last thing we want.
ROBERT MURAT: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...
MARTIN BRUNT: I understand that and I understand the sensitive nature of everything that we have been working with since we arrived here, so...
Loads of questions jump out from the above exchanges.
For a start, Brunt talks about ‘since we arrived here’. He does not use ‘I’, but ‘we’. Who else is he referring to? When did ‘they’ arrive? It seems that Brunt and SKY News were there from Day One – Friday 4 May.
Next question: WHAT exactly had they both been ‘working with’?
But perhaps still more interest centres around Murat’s mention of ‘a contract’. It is clear from the context that this ‘contract’ must have a very close connection to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and to his arrest.
“Break their contract rules”?
Whose contract rules exactly?
Could this be why Robert Murat spent so much time talking to his lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, after he suddenly flew over to Praia da Luz on Tuesday 1 May? Was Murat really - as he claimed - merely discussing his girlfriend Michaela’s divorce from Luis Antonia and the setting up of ‘Romigen’?
Maybe he was not talking to Pagarete about any of that. Maybe he was discussing a very important contract.
Could that contract have been to provide translation services after the abduction alarm was raised - and to find out all he could about the PJ investigation for certain people and if possible try to divert the PJ by coming up with a host of suggestions for lines of enquiry the PJ should pursue?
Because that’s exactly what he ended up doing - as discussed in Inspector Varanda’s complaint about Murat to Gonçalo Amaral.
Could that contract even have included moving the body of Madeleine McCann to a safe location? – after all, when first questioned by the PJ, Murat lied by not disclosing that he had visited a number of houses between Tuesday 1st and Thursday 3rd May. He had also clearly lied comprehensively about two meetings he attended on the Thursday, one several miles west of Praia da Luz, the other several miles east of Praia da Luz at the Palmeras Golf Club.
Did Brunt perhaps know the secret of this ‘contract’. It looks like he did. Using guarded language, no doubt aware that his call to Murat might be being recorded, he acknowledges that the ‘contract’ issue is ‘of a sensitive nature’.
If Brunt knew about Murat’s contract with whoever it was, that alone would qualify him as a rogue.
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At the foot of the thread there are some very interesting observations by Mr Tony B.
Martin Brunt is the Chief Crime Correspondent for SKY News. As such, he gets to cover all the major crime stories. And they don’t come much bigger than the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
One little known fact about Martin Brunt is that prior to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in May 2007, he had for many years owned a villa in the village.
It’s a curious place, Praia da Luz.
Serial sex abuser of women, Sir Clement Freud, also had a villa over there. Senior Freemason, Past Grand Master Edward Smethurst, the McCanns’ co-ordinating lawyer, has been holidaying in the village for the past 18 years. Martin Smith, with his strange tales of strangers who didn’t look like a tourist passing him down a dark alley, part-owns an apartment there. How could he tell in a second or two in the dark whether the bloke ‘looked like a tourist’ or not?
Another long-term resident of Praia da Luz, of course, was the mysterious Robert Murat. And here’s where we begin to get really interested in Martin Brunt, because we have in the PJ files two recorded conversations between Martin Brunt and Robert Murat, both on the same day - 15 May 2007 - the day after Murat was made an arguido.
These conversations are curious for a number of reasons. First, Brunt, Robert Murat and Jenny Murat, his mother, all seem very chummy-chummy on the ’phone.
JENNY MURAT: Hello. Residence of Jenny Murat.
MARTIN BRUNT: Hello, Martin Brunt speaking.
JENNY MURAT: Hi dear.
Did they perhaps all know each other well before May 2007?
Most interest centres around exactly why Martin Brunt was offering the services of SKY News’s lawyers to Murat. What was the motive for that? Who at SKY News authorised Brunt to make such an offer to Murat?
Even more interest centres around this little exchange at the end of the first Brunt-Murat conversation:
ROBERT MURAT: I never have any problem with making a statement.
MARTIN BRUNT: OK
ROBERT MURAT: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I don’t want to end up in prison....(sigh)
MARTIN BRUNT: That would be the last thing we want.
ROBERT MURAT: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...
MARTIN BRUNT: I understand that and I understand the sensitive nature of everything that we have been working with since we arrived here, so...
Loads of questions jump out from the above exchanges.
For a start, Brunt talks about ‘since we arrived here’. He does not use ‘I’, but ‘we’. Who else is he referring to? When did ‘they’ arrive? It seems that Brunt and SKY News were there from Day One – Friday 4 May.
Next question: WHAT exactly had they both been ‘working with’?
But perhaps still more interest centres around Murat’s mention of ‘a contract’. It is clear from the context that this ‘contract’ must have a very close connection to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and to his arrest.
“Break their contract rules”?
Whose contract rules exactly?
Could this be why Robert Murat spent so much time talking to his lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, after he suddenly flew over to Praia da Luz on Tuesday 1 May? Was Murat really - as he claimed - merely discussing his girlfriend Michaela’s divorce from Luis Antonia and the setting up of ‘Romigen’?
Maybe he was not talking to Pagarete about any of that. Maybe he was discussing a very important contract.
Could that contract have been to provide translation services after the abduction alarm was raised - and to find out all he could about the PJ investigation for certain people and if possible try to divert the PJ by coming up with a host of suggestions for lines of enquiry the PJ should pursue?
Because that’s exactly what he ended up doing - as discussed in Inspector Varanda’s complaint about Murat to Gonçalo Amaral.
Could that contract even have included moving the body of Madeleine McCann to a safe location? – after all, when first questioned by the PJ, Murat lied by not disclosing that he had visited a number of houses between Tuesday 1st and Thursday 3rd May. He had also clearly lied comprehensively about two meetings he attended on the Thursday, one several miles west of Praia da Luz, the other several miles east of Praia da Luz at the Palmeras Golf Club.
Did Brunt perhaps know the secret of this ‘contract’. It looks like he did. Using guarded language, no doubt aware that his call to Murat might be being recorded, he acknowledges that the ‘contract’ issue is ‘of a sensitive nature’.
If Brunt knew about Murat’s contract with whoever it was, that alone would qualify him as a rogue.
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At the foot of the thread there are some very interesting observations by Mr Tony B.
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 14.12.17 13:12
It would be good if someone door-stepped Brunt and asked him about this (all on camera of course).
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 14.12.17 15:35
Tracey Kandohla for example 
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I'm very intrigued about the mention of Jon Corner taking holidays in Portugal. I've tried to find the 'source' but haven't yet had any success.
There was/is what appears to be a club on and around the Algarve with an extensive tourist and expatriate membership.
I also recall reading in the deep distant past, Sally Eveleigh and her better half marketed their guest house (or it might have been another location) as adult themed holiday opportunities. Another work in progress. Looking at the photographs featured in the glossy internet pages, their guest accommodation does appear a bit creepy to me. Reminiscent of a secluded hotel I visited years ago that encouraged homosexuals to openly 'be themselves' and attracted some very odd characters to say the least. I only went in for a beer
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?I'm very intrigued about the mention of Jon Corner taking holidays in Portugal. I've tried to find the 'source' but haven't yet had any success.
There was/is what appears to be a club on and around the Algarve with an extensive tourist and expatriate membership.
I also recall reading in the deep distant past, Sally Eveleigh and her better half marketed their guest house (or it might have been another location) as adult themed holiday opportunities. Another work in progress. Looking at the photographs featured in the glossy internet pages, their guest accommodation does appear a bit creepy to me. Reminiscent of a secluded hotel I visited years ago that encouraged homosexuals to openly 'be themselves' and attracted some very odd characters to say the least. I only went in for a beer
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 14.12.17 21:10
polyenne wrote:Verdi, was it a ginger beer ?
Dunno but it did taste a bit queer, then I got the bum's rush - apparently I didn't fit in.
This all happened around a puddle that was said to be a swimming pool. Now, I'm a sucker for an alfresco pool in tropical climes but the idea of plunging head first into a 24 inch deep puddle didn't do it for me. The happy 'campers' entertainment during this episode was an emaciated septuagenarian partially hidden in the shrubbery, appropriately sat under a banana tree, playing a cello whilst a very effeminate flamboyant boy was attending to her every need - hypothetically speaking - I think
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Phoebe 15.12.17 0:39
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Robert Murat arguido statement - 14th May 2007
"Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems."
Am I reading that Murat said "his son informed him?" forgive me if I've missed something but I thought Murat only had a daughter around Madeleine's age?
"Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems."
Am I reading that Murat said "his son informed him?" forgive me if I've missed something but I thought Murat only had a daughter around Madeleine's age?
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Re: Documented Evidence
by Guest 15.12.17 1:26
Robert Murat's ex-wife Dawn Murat had a son, who she claims looked on Robert Murat as a father - it might be he.Phoebe wrote:Am I reading that Murat said "his son informed him?" forgive me if I've missed something but I thought Murat only had a daughter around Madeleine's age?
Also, I believe Murat had another child somewhere along the line. Might be too young to be the son mentioned but from what I've seen, a five year old can teach an adult a thing or two about technology
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