Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

by **Jill Havern** 29.05.17 8:28

By
Mark Saunokonoko

Previously unseen footage of Gerry McCann being asked if he killed his daughter justifies taking a closer look at his possible role in Madeleine's disappearance, according to a law enforcement expert who specialises in detecting deception.

Mark McClish, a former US Marshall and Secret Service agent, has analysed Mr McCann's unedited 25 second response to an Australian reporter in 2011 asking him and his wife, Kate: "Did you kill your daughter?"

In his reply (which can be viewed above), Mr McCann used 51 words, often "rambling on in his denial", when just a succinct response was necessary, Mr McClish told nine.com.au.

"He spends a lot of time trying to convince us why he would not kill his daughter," Mr McClish said.

Mr McClish, who now trains police and military interrogators in the art of statement analysis, said Mr McCann's body language in the footage was also a possible area of concern.

Kate and Gerry McCann said Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment on May 3, 2007. Source: AFP
"He displayed some non-verbal gestures that indicate possible deception," Mr McClish said.

"When Gerry was first asked, 'Did you kill your daughter?' he looked down and brought his left hand up to his nose as he answered, 'No, no never.' Not being able to look the interviewer in the eyes while giving a specific denial is an indication of deception."

If someone brings their hand up to their mouth or nose while answering a question it is also a deceptive indicator, Mr McClish said.

The documentary footage is remarkable for more than just the confronting question posed so directly to Kate and Gerry McCann.

Madeleine Beth McCann: Missing for 10 years, would now be 14 years old. Source: Getty

Mr McCann's denial was first aired in 2011 by Australia's Channel Seven, but his response – as is now apparent – had been heavily edited by the broadcaster.

In the 2011 version, Maddie's father's answer to the question appeared to be a simple: "No, that's an emphatic no".

However, those who follow the case closely were shocked to see Mr McCann's full and unedited answer on a Channel Seven documentary Gone in May this year, which marked the 10th anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.

Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann have always strongly denied any involvement in the disappearance of Maddie, who vanished from a Portugal holiday apartment in May, 2007.

The McCanns were involved in a long-running, bitter court battle with a Portuguese detective who wrote a book saying the parents had disposed of their daughter's body. Source: AFP

Statement analysis is not admissible evidence in court, but police can use it as a tool to assist investigations and zero in on potential lines of inquiry.

For nine years Mr McClish was lead instructor on interviewing techniques at the U.S. Marshals Service Training Academy in Glynco, Georgia. Mr McClish categorised parts of Mr McCann's reply as "a weak denial".

"There are enough deceptive indicators within his answer which would justify taking a closer look at his possible role in Madeleine's disappearance," Mr McClish said.

The McCanns were considered formal suspects by the Portuguese police until the investigation was shelved and their "arguidos status" was lifted.

Earlier this month, Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police Mark Rowley was asked in a media briefing if Kate and Gerry McCann had ever been questioned as potential suspects by Scotland Yard detectives.

"No," he replied.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/05/29/13/38/gerry-mccanns-unedited-weak-denial-in-new-footage-has-some-hallmarks-of-deception-expert

by **Tony Bennett** 29.05.17 8:47

One of the most significant posts on the forum in the past few weeks:

QUOTE: Mr McCann's denial was first aired in 2011 by Australia's Channel Seven, but his response – as is now apparent – had been heavily edited by the broadcaster.

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So this broadcaster deliberately denied us the truth!

Deliberately tried to make us think better of the McCanns than was the case.

It totally reinforces the theme in all of Richard Hall's films that the truth about what happened to Madeleine McCann has been delberately 'buried by mainstream media'.

All the more reason to praise the actions of the BBC East Midllands producer in May 2008, after Gerry and Kate came into their studio 'steeling themselves' to be interviewed, and gave a solemn, long-faced, grim interview about the 'pain' etc, of being without Madeleine in what had been 'a very difficult week for them' etc. etc.

As soon as the cameras were switched off, Kate & Gerry broke out laughing and smirking - revealing their true selves. The producer made an editorial decision to show us those precious extra 5 seconds, thus telling us all far more about the McCanns (and about what really happened to Madeleine) than the rest of them mainstream media put together.

I wonder what Statement Analyst Peter Hyatt would make of this? Maybe we shall hear from him about this in the coming days?

REMINDER: The 5 seconds of mirth can be seen at 2 mins 45 secs to 2 mins 50 seconds on this video made by HideHo/Lizzie Taylor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-hfN5APW4

...which by the way has had over 351,000 views to date

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by **Jill Havern** 29.05.17 8:57

Mark Saunokonoko is fantastic - a journalist on a par with Natasha Donn for just publishing facts about the McCann case without the need for using any derogatory name-calling, unlike UK 'journalists' who can't write an article without using the word 'trolls'.

Thank you Mark thumbsup

by princess_leia 29.05.17 8:58

Did you kill your daughter

'No, no, never. There's nothing with any logic that could, you know, you would have to start with why, you know, how, when, who, there's just simply you know, the answer to any of these things is that there's nothing to suggest anything, so no.'

Very different to what was aired,

Did you kill your daughter

'No, that's an emphatic no'

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/05/29/13/38/gerry-mccanns-unedited-weak-denial-in-new-footage-has-some-hallmarks-of-deception-expert

by princess_leia 29.05.17 9:00

Ahhhhh you beat me to it, I just posted the same, sorry

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Have merged the threads for you - Admin thumbsup

by Guest 29.05.17 9:01

Slow the video down to 0.25 speed (easy - it's in the YouTube setting icon)

Watch Gerry's face at 11 to 12 seconds.

What's so funny Gerry?

by **HiDeHo** 29.05.17 9:02

Channel 7 Lawyers requested removal of my copies of the videos.

by Guest 29.05.17 9:04

Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims Gm10

Watch it.

The look is mischievous and amused.

by **Tony Bennett** 29.05.17 9:06

BlueBag wrote:Slow the video down to 0.25 speed (easy - it's in the YouTube setting icon)

Watch Gerry's face at 11 to 12 seconds.

What's so funny Gerry?

I also noticed a definite but very short 'gulp', or swallow, by Kate at one point

by **Jill Havern** 29.05.17 9:07

HiDeHo wrote:Channel 7 Lawyers requested removal of my copies of the videos.

by princess_leia 29.05.17 9:15

It's a bizarre answer. What is wrong with just saying, No of course not. Or simply NO! Instead we get these ridiculous replies, an odd answer, 'No, no, never' A person can only be killed once, saying no, no, never is something you answer if you were asked... have you ever taken money from me, - no, no, never. Did you kill your daughter - No. It's simply Gerry!

For me, whenever I watch them, they look like naughty little school kids, the smirks - in particular Gerry. The gulps, the scratching of the nose, the flustered answers, like they can't wait to get out of there.

Truly bizarre!

by Guest 29.05.17 9:34

In the video from East Midlands TV, I think, the one where they show them after the interview has ended, that was quite a revealing item. It tells me somebody in the production team did not believe them even then. It must have been the person with overall editorial control, to include the shots of them laughing afterwards. I cant imagine that happening nowadays . . . almost blowing the whistle on them. Does anyone know who that person was? Or if their action caused problems for their future career?

by lemonbutter 29.05.17 9:39

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Mark Saunokonoko is fantastic - a journalist on a par with Natasha Donn for just publishing facts about the McCann case without the need for using any derogatory name-calling, unlike UK 'journalists' who can't write an article without using the word 'trolls'.

Thank you Mark

A very professional journalist who investigates and reports the facts - a rare breed these days.

Keep it up please Mark ... you're gathering a fan base, and it's not TM laughat

by **HiDeHo** 29.05.17 9:40

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:Channel 7 Lawyers requested removal of my copies of the videos.

Just to make it clear, the letters were sent to Youtube

by polyenne 29.05.17 9:58

It's also interesting that Gerry answers even though the question appears to be directed at both of them.
Kate initially almost laughs then looks at Gerry as he delivers his rambling response.

If Kate had been the more involved of the two in poor Madeleine's demise then Gerry could conceivably deny involvement in her death.

Also "no logic" and "nothing to suggest" neatly swerves the actual question put to them. He's not actually being "emphatic" at this point, rather he's almost to goading someone to prove that he might have killed Madeleine i.e. the why, the who, the where.

by wallad 29.05.17 10:37

Kate DOES give a little laugh, possibly a nervous one, and a smile with it.

by Naz_Nomad 29.05.17 12:04

There are similarities with the video of Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed, who killed their 17 year old daughter around 2010. Asked outright "Did you murder your daughter?", he replies "No, never, we could never do such a thing" instead of "No, of course not"

by skyrocket 29.05.17 12:20

Very revealing - thanks @GeG

I think Kate's apparent smile at about 12 secs is actually contempt for the question being asked/the interviewer - see Pamela Meyer's explanation below. Note the RHS of her upper lip rising.

See from 13mins 2 secs

Gerry seems to show a mixture of contempt; duper's delight; and real anger - particularly when you slow the clip down. The direct question seems to have broadsided him. And, why does, 'No, no, never,' come out in response to the question, 'Did you kill your daughter?'?

Would be very interesting if Peter Hyatt could take a close look at this as well. Perhaps @GeG, you could pass the clip on to him.

Just shows what editing can do - that's why Richard Hall is such an excellent interviewer, his interviews are always complete, and hence completely honest.

by **Jill Havern** 29.05.17 13:11

skyrocket wrote:Would be very interesting if Peter Hyatt could take a close look at this as well. Perhaps @GeG, you could pass the clip on to him.

Just shows what editing can do - that's why Richard Hall is such an excellent interviewer, his interviews are always complete, and hence completely honest.

He's already done it https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14010-peter-hyatt-gerry-mccann-did-you-kill-your-daughter

by Rogue-a-Tory 29.05.17 13:39

Why has the original, unedited version of this part of an important interview been hidden away for nearly 10 years? Well, you could use Cameron's famous soundbite back at the Establishment - We're all in it, together.

Yes David, YOU are all in it together.

by Irene 2 29.05.17 14:14

At least it's out there now. Progress.
Is there any aspect of their little girl's tragedy which doesn't amuse this pair? Their callous arrogance is sickening. Smirking, squirming, eye swiveling, self comforting duplicity.

by Guest 29.05.17 14:15

I think the provenance of this video clip is to be seriously questioned, for starters - what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Much of the media hype surrounding this case has focused on the PJ investigation and of course, Goncalo Amaral's theorizing. I think the video clip presented during the recent Australian production is a collation of past video clips and random replies during interviews when asked about Amaral's theory that they concealed and disposed of a body. Amaral nor the PJ team of detectives have ever openly accused the McCanns of killing their daughter - why did Rahni Sadler ask the question? Sensationalism I think

It is claimed that the original interview took place in 2011, however Gerry and Kate McCann appear in the studio wearing much the same clothing and quaffed, during an interview with Mark Cagney at the time of Kate McCann's book launch in May 2011. When and how did this alleged interview with Rahni Sadler take place, I ask myself.

I think it's sham.

by Irene 2 29.05.17 14:28

Looking for Madeleine McCann - Sunday Night

Uploaded on Jul 24, 2011
Reporter: Rahni Sadler

Date aired: 24/07/2011

The edited version, 10.35

31.06 Peter Hyatt's analysis

Videos added

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by Guest 29.05.17 17:44

Verd wrote: what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Often, but not always, the shots of an interviewer asking the questions, or responding thoughtfully to answers are shot after the interview is over. This is to avoid the need for extra cameras or constant movement and change of focus etc. They call them "noddies" . When she was shot asking that question the McCanns may have already left.

by **Tony Bennett** 29.05.17 18:37

Verdi wrote:I think the provenance of this video clip is to be seriously questioned, for starters - what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Much of the media hype surrounding this case has focused on the PJ investigation and of course, Goncalo Amaral's theorizing. I think the video clip presented during the recent Australian production is a collation of past video clips and random replies during interviews when asked about Amaral's theory that they concealed and disposed of a body. Amaral nor the PJ team of detectives have ever openly accused the McCanns of killing their daughter - why did Rahni Sadler ask the question? Sensationalism I think

I think it's sham.

I think this extended clop is genuine, for this reason:

In the extended clip we now see, Gerry rambles for 15-20 seconds about logic etc., THEN he says "So...No...That's an emphatic No".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the clip we've been looking at, all we have seen previously is:

Interviewer: "Did you kill your daughter?"

and then straight to "No...That's an emphatic No".

We now know he says: "So...No...That's an emphatic No".

@ Verdi

I think with respect that interviewers do commonly ask precisely these uncomfortable direct questions, like:

"Did you have sex with Monica Lewinsky?"

"Did you lie to the British people about weapons of mass destruction?"

"Did you ever meet with members of the IRA?".

Also I do not think that the interviewer was smiling at all

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by Phoebe 29.05.17 18:40

JimbobJones wrote:
Verd wrote: what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Often, but not always, the shots of an interviewer asking the questions, or responding thoughtfully to answers are shot after the interview is over. This is to avoid the need for extra cameras or constant movement and change of focus etc. They call them "noddies" . When she was shot asking that question the McCanns may have already left.

There is something strange going on with this "new" clip. In the original 2011 interview the camera is focused on Rhani as she asks the question "Did you kill your daughter?" However, in the new clip the camera is focused on Kate and Gerry not Rhani during this question. Unless this was filmed with two separate cameras and camera operators, which I doubt, how could a single camera capture Rhani while she is asking the question and Gerry and Kate opposite her (two completely different shots) simultaneously? Only one of those shots can be actual, the other is edited in. Rhani was definitely filmed (at some stage) asking the question since her mouth seems to make the right movements but we have no idea if Gerry is actually answering THIS question in his response. If any one wants to compare take a look on you tube at Madeleine Mccann Australian Interview by DonnyDarko.

by skyrocket 29.05.17 20:05

@GeG - thanks for the link.

by **Tony Bennett** 29.05.17 21:40

Phoebe wrote:
JimbobJones wrote:
Verd wrote: what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Often, but not always, the shots of an interviewer asking the questions, or responding thoughtfully to answers are shot after the interview is over. This is to avoid the need for extra cameras or constant movement and change of focus etc. They call them "noddies" . When she was shot asking that question the McCanns may have already left.
There is something strange going on with this "new" clip. In the original 2011 interview the camera is focused on Rhani as she asks the question "Did you kill your daughter?" However, in the new clip the camera is focused on Kate and Gerry not Rhani during this question. Unless this was filmed with two separate cameras and camera operators, which I doubt...

It is common practice @ Phoebe for film-makers to set up two cameras for an interview, both unmanned.

They will be carefully positioned, fixed tightly on a tripod, then switched on and just left to run.

Both films, at the end of the interview, go to the cutting-room, where the editor will splice the two film rolls together as s/he sees fit, usually featuring the interviewee, but with occasional shots of the interviewer.

Richard Hall does this for his interviews; he takes two film cameras with him and uses them just as described above.

by Guest 29.05.17 23:35

Tony Bennett wrote:
I think this extended clip is genuine

I was primarily talking of the 49 second video clip uploaded by Get'emGoncalo, however this got me thinking about the May 2011 interview with Sadler in general. I'm going to be a bit vague here, earlier I was searching on another computer so I haven't got the information to hand - this is off the top of my head.

During the later part of May 2011 there was a media blitz promoting Kate McCann's book madeleine, which included studio interviews with both MCann's. It was said at the time that the McCanns returned to Portugal to promote the book and make another plea on behalf of Madeleine. It would appear however, they didn't spend time in Praia da Luz, as I would expect but they went to Lisbon - this indicates to me their visit was more relative to their law suit against Amaral.

As I say, there was a media blitz at the time but according to Rhani Sadler's website or the Australian team she was working for at the time (can't recall exactly), she had exclusive rights to interview the McCanns with dramatic claims of revelationary new information. If you take the video at face value, Sadler was in Portugal for this meet with the McCanns but the only clear evidence of that meet is the street walk showing all three ostensibly in conversation - much like the more recent shot of Sadler walking the streets with Goncalo Amaral.

I accept that you and others know more about filming than I do but something about the studio interview doesn't seem authentic to me. The interview is conducted on a par with other day time sofa interviews viewers have been subjected to over the years - nice and cosy with no awkward questions asked, yet out of the blue Sadler asks "did you kill your daughter"? I appreciate what you say about similar questions asked of suspect criminals in the past but that's not normally during a Oprah Winfrey style weepy - box of tissues provided under seat! In short, the interview by all appearances was another chance for the McCanns to appeal to the public heart strings - not a pukka investigative journalist probing a suspect.

The footage is ringing bells with me but I can't put my finger on where I've seen it before - maybe I've just watched the same video in the past on more than one occasion. Watching it again, I still think Sadler is grinning when asking "did you kill your daughter" but I'll let that pass for the moment.

In the light of the general tenor of the Australian 2017 production aired just prior to the 10th anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, for example complaints made by Pat Brown and Colin Sutton with accusations of mis-quoting and editing - I'm less than impressed with the Australian mode of production for TV shows.

Whatever, in my view the 49 second clip has been edited to such an extent it's worthless in terms of statement analysis and the extended version I'm not convinced is a genuine interview with Rhani Sadler, even with my limited knowledge of the tricks of the trade. Mostly with these cosy studio type interviews you get a shot or few of the interviewer and the interviewee/s - not so here!

by Phoebe 30.05.17 0:26

Tony Bennett wrote:
Phoebe wrote:
JimbobJones wrote:
Verd wrote: what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Often, but not always, the shots of an interviewer asking the questions, or responding thoughtfully to answers are shot after the interview is over. This is to avoid the need for extra cameras or constant movement and change of focus etc. They call them "noddies" . When she was shot asking that question the McCanns may have already left.
There is something strange going on with this "new" clip. In the original 2011 interview the camera is focused on Rhani as she asks the question "Did you kill your daughter?" However, in the new clip the camera is focused on Kate and Gerry not Rhani during this question. Unless this was filmed with two separate cameras and camera operators, which I doubt...
It is common practice @ Phoebe for film-makers to set up two cameras for an interview, both unmanned.

They will be carefully positioned, fixed tightly on a tripod, then switched on and just left to run.

Both films, at the end of the interview, go to the cutting-room, where the editor will splice the two film rolls together as s/he sees fit, usually featuring the interviewee, but with occasional shots of the interviewer.

Richard Hall does this for his interviews; he takes two film cameras with him and uses them just as described above.

Perhaps, although in the 2011 version the camera on Kate and Gerry is not fixed as it clearly pans. I just don't get Gerry's response "No, never", nor his saying "You would have to start with why, when, how, WHO". Why would there be a query over "who" when the question asked was "Did YOU..." I don't trust Channel 7 since they showed us Dr. Amaral strolling along with Rhani while giving a 10th anniversary interview when he said it never happened.

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