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Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 29.05.17 8:28





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Previously unseen footage of Gerry McCann being asked if he killed his daughter justifies taking a closer look at his possible role in Madeleine's disappearance, according to a law enforcement expert who specialises in detecting deception.

Mark McClish, a former US Marshall and Secret Service agent, has analysed Mr McCann's unedited 25 second response to an Australian reporter in 2011 asking him and his wife, Kate: "Did you kill your daughter?"

In his reply (which can be viewed above), Mr McCann used 51 words, often "rambling on in his denial", when just a succinct response was necessary, Mr McClish told nine.com.au.

"He spends a lot of time trying to convince us why he would not kill his daughter," Mr McClish said.

Mr McClish, who now trains police and military interrogators in the art of statement analysis, said Mr McCann's body language in the footage was also a possible area of concern.
   
Kate and Gerry McCann said Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment on May 3, 2007. Source: AFP
"He displayed some non-verbal gestures that indicate possible deception," Mr McClish said.

"When Gerry was first asked, 'Did you kill your daughter?' he looked down and brought his left hand up to his nose as he answered, 'No, no never.' Not being able to look the interviewer in the eyes while giving a specific denial is an indication of deception."

If someone brings their hand up to their mouth or nose while answering a question it is also a deceptive indicator, Mr McClish said.

The documentary footage is remarkable for more than just the confronting question posed so directly to Kate and Gerry McCann.
   
Madeleine Beth McCann: Missing for 10 years, would now be 14 years old. Source: Getty

Mr McCann's denial was first aired in 2011 by Australia's Channel Seven, but his response – as is now apparent – had been heavily edited by the broadcaster.

In the 2011 version, Maddie's father's answer to the question appeared to be a simple: "No, that's an emphatic no".

However, those who follow the case closely were shocked to see Mr McCann's full and unedited answer on a Channel Seven documentary Gone in May this year, which marked the 10th anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.

Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann have always strongly denied any involvement in the disappearance of Maddie, who vanished from a Portugal holiday apartment in May, 2007.
   
The McCanns were involved in a long-running, bitter court battle with a Portuguese detective who wrote a book saying the parents had disposed of their daughter's body. Source: AFP

Statement analysis is not admissible evidence in court, but police can use it as a tool to assist investigations and zero in on potential lines of inquiry.

For nine years Mr McClish was lead instructor on interviewing techniques at the U.S. Marshals Service Training Academy in Glynco, Georgia. Mr McClish categorised parts of Mr McCann's reply as "a weak denial".

"There are enough deceptive indicators within his answer which would justify taking a closer look at his possible role in Madeleine's disappearance," Mr McClish said.

The McCanns were considered formal suspects by the Portuguese police until the investigation was shelved and their "arguidos status" was lifted.

Earlier this month, Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police Mark Rowley was asked in a media briefing if Kate and Gerry McCann had ever been questioned as potential suspects by Scotland Yard detectives.

"No," he replied.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/05/29/13/38/gerry-mccanns-unedited-weak-denial-in-new-footage-has-some-hallmarks-of-deception-expert
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Re: Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.05.17 8:47

One of the most significant posts on the forum in the past few weeks:

QUOTE:   Mr McCann's denial was first aired in 2011 by Australia's Channel Seven, but his response – as is now apparent – had been heavily edited by the broadcaster.

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So this broadcaster deliberately denied us the truth!

Deliberately tried to make us think better of the McCanns than was the case.

It totally reinforces the theme in all of Richard Hall's films that the truth about what happened to Madeleine McCann has been delberately 'buried by mainstream media'.

All the more reason to praise the actions of the BBC East Midllands producer in May 2008, after Gerry and Kate came into their studio 'steeling themselves' to be interviewed, and gave a solemn, long-faced, grim interview about the 'pain' etc, of being without Madeleine in what had been 'a very difficult week for them' etc. etc.

As soon as the cameras were switched off, Kate & Gerry broke out laughing and smirking - revealing their true selves. The producer made an editorial decision to show us those precious extra 5 seconds, thus telling us all far more about the McCanns (and about what really happened to Madeleine) than the rest of them mainstream media put together.

I wonder what Statement Analyst Peter Hyatt would make of this? Maybe we shall hear from him about this in the coming days?

REMINDER: The 5 seconds of mirth can be seen at 2 mins 45 secs to 2 mins 50 seconds on this video made by HideHo/Lizzie Taylor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-hfN5APW4

...which by the way has had over 351,000 views to date



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Re: Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 29.05.17 8:57

Mark Saunokonoko is fantastic - a journalist on a par with Natasha Donn for just publishing facts about the McCann case without the need for using any derogatory name-calling, unlike UK 'journalists' who can't write an article without using the word 'trolls'.

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Unedited footage from recent Australain McCann interview.

Post by princess_leia on 29.05.17 8:58

Did you kill your daughter 

'No, no, never. There's nothing with any logic that could, you know, you would have to start with why, you know, how, when, who, there's just simply you know, the answer to any of these things is that there's nothing to suggest anything, so no.' 

Very different to what was aired, 

Did you kill your daughter

'No, that's an emphatic no' 

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/05/29/13/38/gerry-mccanns-unedited-weak-denial-in-new-footage-has-some-hallmarks-of-deception-expert

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Re: Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

Post by princess_leia on 29.05.17 9:00

Ahhhhh you beat me to it, I just posted the same, sorry


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Re: Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

Post by BlueBag on 29.05.17 9:01

Slow the video down to 0.25 speed (easy - it's in the YouTube setting icon)

Watch Gerry's face at 11 to 12 seconds.

What's so funny Gerry?
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Post by HiDeHo on 29.05.17 9:02

Channel 7 Lawyers  requested removal of my copies of the  videos.
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Re: Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

Post by BlueBag on 29.05.17 9:04



Watch it.

The look is mischievous and amused.
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Re: Gerry McCann's 'weak denial' in new footage has some hallmarks of deception, expert claims

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.05.17 9:06

@BlueBag wrote:Slow the video down to 0.25 speed (easy - it's in the YouTube setting icon)

Watch Gerry's face at 11 to 12 seconds.

What's so funny Gerry?
I also noticed a definite but very short 'gulp', or swallow, by Kate at one point

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 29.05.17 9:07

@HiDeHo wrote:Channel 7 Lawyers  requested removal of my copies of the  videos.
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Post by princess_leia on 29.05.17 9:15

It's a bizarre answer. What is wrong with just saying, No of course not. Or simply NO! Instead we get these ridiculous replies, an odd answer, 'No, no, never' A person can only be killed once, saying no, no, never is something you answer if you were asked... have you ever taken money from me, - no, no, never. Did you kill your daughter - No. It's simply Gerry! 

For me, whenever I watch them, they look like naughty little school kids, the smirks - in particular Gerry. The gulps, the scratching of the nose, the flustered answers, like they can't wait to get out of there. 

Truly bizarre!

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Post by JimbobJones on 29.05.17 9:34

In the video from East Midlands TV, I think, the one where they show them after the interview has ended, that was quite a revealing item. It tells me somebody in the production team did not believe them even then. It must have been the person with overall editorial control, to include the shots of them laughing afterwards. I cant imagine that happening nowadays . . . almost blowing the whistle on them. Does anyone know who that person was? Or if their action caused problems for their future career?

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Post by lemonbutter on 29.05.17 9:39

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:Mark Saunokonoko is fantastic - a journalist on a par with Natasha Donn for just publishing facts about the McCann case without the need for using any derogatory name-calling, unlike UK 'journalists' who can't write an article without using the word 'trolls'.

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A very professional journalist who investigates and reports the facts - a rare breed these days.

Keep it up please Mark ... you're gathering a fan base, and it's not TM laughat
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Post by HiDeHo on 29.05.17 9:40

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@HiDeHo wrote:Channel 7 Lawyers  requested removal of my copies of the  videos.
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Post by polyenne on 29.05.17 9:58

It's also interesting that Gerry answers even though the question appears to be directed at both of them.
Kate initially almost laughs then looks at Gerry as he delivers his rambling response.

If Kate had been the more involved of the two in poor Madeleine's demise then Gerry could conceivably deny involvement in her death.

Also "no logic" and "nothing to suggest" neatly swerves the actual question put to them. He's not actually being "emphatic" at this point, rather he's almost to goading someone to prove that he might have killed Madeleine i.e. the why, the who, the where.
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Post by wallad on 29.05.17 10:37

Kate DOES give a little laugh, possibly a nervous one, and a smile with it.
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Post by Naz_Nomad on 29.05.17 12:04

There are similarities with the video of Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed, who killed their 17 year old daughter around 2010.  Asked outright "Did you murder your daughter?", he replies "No, never, we could never do such a thing" instead of "No, of course not"

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Post by skyrocket on 29.05.17 12:20

Very revealing - thanks @GeG

I think Kate's apparent smile at about 12 secs is actually contempt for the question being asked/the interviewer - see Pamela Meyer's explanation below. Note the RHS of her upper lip rising.



See from 13mins 2 secs

Gerry seems to show a mixture of contempt; duper's delight; and real anger - particularly when you slow the clip down. The direct question seems to have broadsided him. And, why does, 'No, no, never,' come out in response to the question, 'Did you kill your daughter?'?

Would be very interesting if Peter Hyatt could take a close look at this as well. Perhaps @GeG, you could pass the clip on to him.

Just shows what editing can do - that's why Richard Hall is such an excellent interviewer, his interviews are always complete, and hence completely honest.
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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 29.05.17 13:11

@skyrocket wrote:Would be very interesting if Peter Hyatt could take a close look at this as well. Perhaps @GeG, you could pass the clip on to him.

Just shows what editing can do - that's why Richard Hall is such an excellent interviewer, his interviews are always complete, and hence completely honest.
He's already done it https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14010-peter-hyatt-gerry-mccann-did-you-kill-your-daughter
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 29.05.17 13:39

Why has the original, unedited version of this part of an important interview been hidden away for nearly 10 years? Well, you could use Cameron's famous soundbite back at the Establishment - We're all in it, together.

Yes David, YOU are all in it together.
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Post by Irene 2 on 29.05.17 14:14

At least it's out there now. Progress. 
Is there any aspect of their little girl's tragedy which doesn't amuse this pair?  Their callous arrogance is sickening. Smirking, squirming, eye swiveling, self comforting duplicity.

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Post by Verdi on 29.05.17 14:15

I think the provenance of this video clip is to be seriously questioned, for starters - what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Much of the media hype surrounding this case has focused on the PJ investigation and of course, Goncalo Amaral's theorizing.  I think the video clip presented during the recent Australian production is a collation of past video clips and random replies during interviews when asked about Amaral's theory that they concealed and disposed of a body.  Amaral nor the PJ team of detectives have ever openly accused the McCanns of killing their daughter - why did Rahni Sadler ask the question?  Sensationalism I think

It is claimed that the original interview took place in 2011, however Gerry and Kate McCann appear in the studio wearing much the same clothing and quaffed, during an interview with Mark Cagney at the time of Kate McCann's book launch in May 2011.  When and how did this alleged interview with Rahni Sadler take place, I ask myself.



I think it's sham.

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Post by Irene 2 on 29.05.17 14:28

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Date aired: 24/07/2011

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Post by JimbobJones on 29.05.17 17:44

Verd wrote: what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Often, but not always, the shots of an interviewer asking the questions, or responding thoughtfully to answers are shot after the interview is over. This is to avoid the need for extra cameras or constant movement and change of focus etc. They call them "noddies" . When she was shot asking that question the McCanns may have already left.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.05.17 18:37

@Verdi wrote:I think the provenance of this video clip is to be seriously questioned, for starters - what seasoned journalist and/or television presenter would ask the parents of a missing child, I quote .... "did you kill your daughter" with a dirty great grin on her face?

Much of the media hype surrounding this case has focused on the PJ investigation and of course, Goncalo Amaral's theorizing.  I think the video clip presented during the recent Australian production is a collation of past video clips and random replies during interviews when asked about Amaral's theory that they concealed and disposed of a body.  Amaral nor the PJ team of detectives have ever openly accused the McCanns of killing their daughter - why did Rahni Sadler ask the question?  Sensationalism I think

I think it's sham.
I think this extended clop is genuine, for this reason:

In the extended clip we now see, Gerry rambles for 15-20 seconds about logic etc., THEN he says "So...No...That's an emphatic No".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the clip we've been looking at, all we have seen previously is:

Interviewer: "Did you kill your daughter?"

and then straight to "No...That's an emphatic No".

We now know he says: "So...No...That's an emphatic No".

@ Verdi

I think with respect that interviewers do commonly ask precisely these uncomfortable direct questions, like:

"Did you have sex with Monica Lewinsky?"

"Did you lie to the British people about weapons of mass destruction?"

"Did you ever meet with members of the IRA?".


Also I do not think that the interviewer was smiling at all  



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