FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

jeanmonroe wrote:

plebgate wrote:I don't visit the site but has anyone seen the outpouring of love messages to the site?

This is my view.  Maddie is missing, it is coming up to the tenth anniversary of her disappearance and because there has been an outpouring of love the site re-opens.  What is that all about?

If I were ever in that position my site WOULD REMAIN OPEN AT ALL TIMES - whatever so-called trolls and wait for it   -  BULLIES chose to say.

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Oh dear Tracy - apparently you are making everything up - has anyone complained to your boss or the newspaper watchdog?

suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.

sharonl wrote:First of all, they would need to prove that they actually did leave the kids alone.  After all, the PJ suggested that all the kids slept in one apartment, and we know that at least one adult member of the group was missing from the tapas party each night.
I believe that Madeleine died on April 29th.  If that is correct, then no way would the group risk any harm  coming to the remaining children.
The media, at every opportunity, report the line "Madeleine disappeared from her parents' apartment whilst they dined at the local tapas".  IMO, that is nothing more than an alibi, it puts across the idea that the McCanns were not present when Madeleine met her fate.  And of course, they could not claim the abduction without saying that they were out at the time.
IMO, They were far too quick to admit to leaving the kids alone, but they had to say that to cover for something much worse.

pennylane wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.

I am in total agreement Suzy. 

worriedmum wrote:

pennylane wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.

I am in total agreement Suzy. 

 Interesting points for me are the sticker book----suggests a rushed response
Kate mentioning to Fiona at the table about whether the doors should be left open
Gerry mentioning to Jez Wilkins about the children in the room , and making a point of speaking to him.

pennylane wrote:G

worriedmum wrote:

pennylane wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.

I am in total agreement Suzy. 

 Interesting points for me are the sticker book----suggests a rushed response
Kate mentioning to Fiona at the table about whether the doors should be left open
Gerry mentioning to Jez Wilkins about the children in the room , and making a point of speaking to him.

All very interesting points worried mum.  The sticker book timelines certainly have last minute fiasco written all over it, as do many other facets of this case.

princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

MTSTAR wrote:Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.

suzyjohnson wrote:

MTSTAR wrote:Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.

 
In order to persuade people that an abduction had taken place, they would need to say that the children were left alone for long enough for an abduction to have happened. 

The possibilities would be that 1) The children were left alone and an abduction did take place or 2) that the children were left alone but that something else happened.

On the other hand, it's possible that the children were never left alone at all (that at least one adult was supervising each evening) and that something (other than abduction) happened. 

In this last case, the parents / group would wish to persuade the public that the children were neglected in order to cover up whatever else had happened, in addition to allowing time for abduction to have occurred.

Reggiregg wrote:The idea that one or other of the group babysat all the children goes back to the early days. It was so odd one or other was ill for a single night. I wonder if they were all sedated though as looking after all those babies and todders would hAve been a nightmare for one person if some were awake.

suzyjohnson wrote:

MTSTAR wrote:Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.

 
In order to persuade people that an abduction had taken place, they would need to say that the children were left alone for long enough for an abduction to have happened. 

The possibilities would be that 1) The children were left alone and an abduction did take place or 2) that the children were left alone but that something else happened.

On the other hand, it's possible that the children were never left alone at all (that at least one adult was supervising each evening) and that something (other than abduction) happened. 

In this last case, the parents / group would wish to persuade the public that the children were neglected in order to cover up whatever else had happened, in addition to allowing time for abduction to have occurred.

MTSTAR wrote:

Reggiregg wrote:The idea that one or other of the group babysat all the children goes back to the early days. It was so odd one or other was ill for a single night. I wonder if they were all sedated though as looking after all those babies and todders would hAve been a nightmare for one person if some were awake.

That makes sense, but it does mean that all the group must know what happened. For some reason I keep getting the thought that as Madeleine was a difficult child, would it be possible that Gerry and Kate arranged for her to be 'adopted'?  It would explain their lack of grief and interest in sightings of her. Also if it was arranged in another country, they may have thought  that 'the abduction' wouldn't be investigated thoroughly.  But then we get back to the dogs smelling cadaverine and blood.  The PJ suspected that Madeleine died in the apartment which really makes more sense.  The whole group of adults sound incredibly selfish which ever scenario you look at.  Apologies if I'm going over old ground here.

Mirage wrote:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3128358/maddie-mccanns-parents-fight-tooth-and-nail-if-prosecuted-over-leaving-kids-alone/
FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone
The 10-year milestone of Maddie's mysterious disappearance is looming
EXCLUSIVE  interview
By Tracey Kandohla
19th March 2017, 9:39 pm
Updated: 19th March 2017, 9:50 pm

THE PARENTS of Madeleine McCann vowed they would have “fought tooth and nail” if they had ever been prosecuted for abandoning their missing daughter and her twin brother and sister, a close pal has revealed.

As outspoken radio host Katie Hopkins today brands it an “injustice” that Kate and Gerry escaped punishment for leaving three children alone during a family holiday, their friend said: “They were well aware they could have been charged with child neglect and naturally
Maddie’s parents say they will fight tooth and nail if ever prosecuted for child neglect
“But in legal terms they were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting.”

The source insists: “Any legal action against them would have failed.

“They would have robustly defended any charges, if brought.”

Maddie vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal’s Algarve.

Maddie vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal’s Algarve
The McCanns left their three children, all under the age of four, asleep in a holiday apartment in Portugal while they were dining nearby with pals.

The couple could have faced jail under Portuguese law if they had ever faced a charge of abandonment and been convicted.

A court would have to show Kate and Gerry had wilfully neglected their daughter and her siblings, and they did not.
A Source Said
Mum-of-three Katie, in a global YouTube interview with glamour model Jodie Marsh, claims they should never have escaped justice.

She also claimed Kate was insensitive for ever washing her snatched daughter’s favourite cuddly toy, Cuddle Cat.

Three-year-old Maddie vanished from the un-locked doored flat in The Algarve’s Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Columnist Katie Hopkins says Maddie’s parents should never have escaped justice over leaving their kids alone
Columnist Katie Hopkins says Maddie’s parents should never have escaped justice over leaving their kids alone
Kate and Gerry are bracing themselves for painful milestone since Maddie’s disappearance EPA FILE

Kate and Gerry are bracing themselves for painful milestone since Maddie’s disappearance
Her parents chose not to pay for a baby sitting service while they ate and drank in a tapas bar with chums, dubbed the Tapas Seven.

Ex GP Kate, 49, and heart doctor Gerry, 48, of Rothley, Leics, were never prosecuted for abandoning their kids out of “compassion”, a former Portuguese law chief revealed last year.

Former minister of internal affairs Rui Pereira slammed the decision not to charge the McCann’s with “the crime of abandonment.”

Little Maddie would now be 13 years old
He revealed in a TV interview how top officials, out of “compassion” for the parents, ruled out charges citing Brits’ “peculiar cultural customs, thinking it is natural for them to leave children alone.”

Last week the McCanns faced fresh misery when a Portuguese crime expert spouted further outrageous claims over their daughter’s disappearance.

In a shocking TV outburst Francisco Moita Flores said: “Maddie died in that apartment, I have no doubt.”

In May it will be 10 years since Maddie mysteriously vanished.
In May it will be 10 years since Maddie mysteriously vanished
Hopkins had previously stated on national LBC Radio: “Maddie was lost because she was left to be found.”

Marsh, in a Twitter rant, added that her parents should be searching “on their hands and knees digging up the bare earth rather than be side-tracked and busying themselves suing people.”

Kate and Gerry will not be fuelling any of this pure speculation with any comment whatsoever.
Clarence MitchellMcCann Spokesman
Maddie’s parents are bracing themselves for the painful milestone 10th anniversary of her disappearance in less than seven weeks.

They cling onto a glimmer of hope that their daughter, who would now be aged 13, could still be alive.

McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell today declined to discuss the latest rant, having previously said: “Kate and Gerry will not be fuelling any of this pure speculation with any comment whatsoever.”