FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

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FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone
The 10-year milestone of Maddie's mysterious disappearance is looming
EXCLUSIVE  interview
By Tracey Kandohla
19th March 2017, 9:39 pm
Updated: 19th March 2017, 9:50 pm

THE PARENTS of Madeleine McCann vowed they would have “fought tooth and nail” if they had ever been prosecuted for abandoning their missing daughter and her twin brother and sister, a close pal has revealed.

As outspoken radio host Katie Hopkins today brands it an “injustice” that Kate and Gerry escaped punishment for leaving three children alone during a family holiday, their friend said: “They were well aware they could have been charged with child neglect and naturally
Maddie’s parents say they will fight tooth and nail if ever prosecuted for child neglect
“But in legal terms they were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting.”

The source insists: “Any legal action against them would have failed.

“They would have robustly defended any charges, if brought.”

Maddie vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal’s Algarve.

Maddie vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal’s Algarve
The McCanns left their three children, all under the age of four, asleep in a holiday apartment in Portugal while they were dining nearby with pals.

The couple could have faced jail under Portuguese law if they had ever faced a charge of abandonment and been convicted.

A court would have to show Kate and Gerry had wilfully neglected their daughter and her siblings, and they did not.
A Source Said
Mum-of-three Katie, in a global YouTube interview with glamour model Jodie Marsh, claims they should never have escaped justice.

She also claimed Kate was insensitive for ever washing her snatched daughter’s favourite cuddly toy, Cuddle Cat.

Three-year-old Maddie vanished from the un-locked doored flat in The Algarve’s Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Columnist Katie Hopkins says Maddie’s parents should never have escaped justice over leaving their kids alone
Columnist Katie Hopkins says Maddie’s parents should never have escaped justice over leaving their kids alone
Kate and Gerry are bracing themselves for painful milestone since Maddie’s disappearance EPA FILE

Kate and Gerry are bracing themselves for painful milestone since Maddie’s disappearance
Her parents chose not to pay for a baby sitting service while they ate and drank in a tapas bar with chums, dubbed the Tapas Seven.

Ex GP Kate, 49, and heart doctor Gerry, 48, of Rothley, Leics, were never prosecuted for abandoning their kids out of “compassion”, a former Portuguese law chief revealed last year.

Former minister of internal affairs Rui Pereira slammed the decision not to charge the McCann’s with “the crime of abandonment.”

Little Maddie would now be 13 years old
He revealed in a TV interview how top officials, out of “compassion” for the parents, ruled out charges citing Brits’ “peculiar cultural customs, thinking it is natural for them to leave children alone.”

Last week the McCanns faced fresh misery when a Portuguese crime expert spouted further outrageous claims over their daughter’s disappearance.

In a shocking TV outburst Francisco Moita Flores said: “Maddie died in that apartment, I have no doubt.”

In May it will be 10 years since Maddie mysteriously vanished.
In May it will be 10 years since Maddie mysteriously vanished
Hopkins had previously stated on national LBC Radio: “Maddie was lost because she was left to be found.”

Marsh, in a Twitter rant, added that her parents should be searching “on their hands and knees digging up the bare earth rather than be side-tracked and busying themselves suing people.”

Kate and Gerry will not be fuelling any of this pure speculation with any comment whatsoever.
Clarence MitchellMcCann Spokesman
Maddie’s parents are bracing themselves for the painful milestone 10th anniversary of her disappearance in less than seven weeks.

They cling onto a glimmer of hope that their daughter, who would now be aged 13, could still be alive.

McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell today declined to discuss the latest rant, having previously said: “Kate and Gerry will not be fuelling any of this pure speculation with any comment whatsoever.”

That's interesting. I thought that was what they were already doing.

Oh look, another Kandohla article, right on cue.

Is this article to be believed though, or is it rubbish that's encouraging trolls as Kate McCann said on her facebook page?

"Brits peculiar cultural customs " 

Yes well we do​ have a few​ of them 

Morris dancing 

Maypole dancing 

That one​ where folks​ chase a cheese​ down a hill​ !

Bog snorkeling !

Never​ wearing a coat on a night out in Newcastle , and a kebab at the end​ of the night​ !

Leaving​ your children alone is Not one of them ( not that I think they did ) 

"Respectable parenting​ " 
I thought​ it was " responsible parenting​ " ? Cut and paste go wrong Tracey ?

You really do need a rest pet      

'THE SUN IS PUBLISHING UNTRUTHS!'

Oh dear, talk about 'biting the hand , that feeds you'

How MUCH did the 'Sun' pay them for 'exclusives' from her 'bewk'?

Iirc, Re-bek-kah-kah-kah said, at Leveson, 'maybe £500,000'!

MR JAY: "What was the price that you paid for the serialisation? Can you remember?"
RB: "I can't remember, actually. I -- it's hundreds of thousands of pounds."
MR JAY: "A million, we've been told."
RB: "No, it wasn't. It wasn't a million. Half a million maybe. I can't remember. I mean, I can -- there are ways to find out, but I'm not sure it was a million."

And now, their most 'ardent' supporter is saying the Sun is telling 'lies'!
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"Take ALL you have read from Tracey Kandhola with a large pinch of salt, as she IS 'MAKING It ALL UP'"

"trouble at t'mill"?

I'm off to bed- Tracey's extravagant lingo has me exhausted just reading it! Does she never encounter ordinary emotions or responses - the McCanns fighting tooth and nail (ouch) over "abandoning" (thought you were one of their "chums") their kids ". Moita Flores had a "shocking outburst" and started "spouting"( is he a water pipe?). Marsh was "ranting" and Kate and Gerry are alternately "bracing" and "clinging". Wonder who'll be "slamming" who tomorrow? All this shock, fury and outrage will surely take its toll on her.

I was expecting 'Outrage as vile trolls close down Maddie web page' Maybe tomorrow.

"Take ALL you have read from Tracey Kandhola with a large pinch of salt, as she IS 'MAKING IT ALL UP'

Including Ka£e and Ge££y saying they are going to sue ALL 'trolls'"
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Of course they are NOT "going to sue ALL 'trolls'".................only the 'one's they 'think' have got some dosh!

'Druggie Doug, down at the 'Grabbit&Leggit' pub can 'troll' them all he 'likes', they won't be taking him and his 'p*ss' (he can't afford a 'pot'!) to 'court' anytime soon!

'They did not wilfully neglect their kids'. Really? When Madeleine apparently claimed the night before 'where were you when me and Sean were crying?' and they wilfully ignored her? Kate herself said she had doubts but they went ahead and did it anyway. Then the conversation she had with Tanner, where she again expresses doubts about leaving the kids alone. Are the lies finally catching up with them? That's the trouble with weaving such a tangled web.

Does the Sun have no editorial control on the rubbish that they post up?
 
‘……parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone’
 
‘…..vowed they would have “fought tooth and nail” if they had ever been prosecuted’
 
Within a couple of column inches, two completely different stories, tense-wise.
 
As for the:
 
“But in legal terms they were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting.”
  
clearly a typically sloppy Tracey mis-quote, but probably quite apt in that it’s nothing to do with actual parenting, but all down to image.

I can't help thinking this Kandhola is against the McCann's? I just find it odd that a sympathiser would keep writing about these accusations. 

She continuously writes these reports, and often adds in words like 'abandonment' 

And a few other things she seems to keep mentioning...

'The McCanns left their three children, all under the age of four, asleep in a holiday apartment in Portugal while they were dining nearby with pals. '

'Her parents chose not to pay for a baby sitting service while they ate and drank in a tapas bar with chums, dubbed the Tapas Seven.'

Doug D wrote:Does the Sun have no editorial control on the rubbish that they post up?
 
‘……parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone’
 
‘…..vowed they would have “fought tooth and nail” if they had ever been prosecuted’

 
Within a couple of column inches, two completely different stories, tense-wise.
 
As for the:
 
“But in legal terms they were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting.”
  
clearly a typically sloppy Tracey mis-quote, but probably quite apt in that it’s nothing to do with actual parenting, but all down to image.

Doug, just before the sloppy mis-quote, yet another tense:

"Maddie’s parents say they will fight tooth and nail if ever prosecuted for child neglect."

Kandohla must have been up "parsed" her bedtime.

When there's a pro Mccann article with comments the other point of view is presented because in the comments sections there are plenty of counter arguments and refs to online sources.  I wouldn't know how long this has been allowed as I've only been interested in the Mccann situation for a few weeks.

Most of these comments would not have been allowed a few months ago Janerj

princess_leia wrote:I can't help thinking this Kandhola is against the McCann's? I just find it odd that a sympathiser would keep writing about these accusations. 

She continuously writes these reports, and often adds in words like 'abandonment' 

And a few other things she seems to keep mentioning...

'The McCanns left their three children, all under the age of four, asleep in a holiday apartment in Portugal while they were dining nearby with pals. '

'Her parents chose not to pay for a baby sitting service while they ate and drank in a tapas bar with chums, dubbed the Tapas Seven.'

It still fits their abduction narrative which is what they want to push. If they can keep the public focussed on the 'they should be done for neglect' argument, they think it will distract people from discussing the possibility of Madeliene dying in 5a.

My thoughts exactly, ChippyM.  So much focus on abduction,look over here, not over there, folks...roll up, roll up, the circus is in town...

I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

 They could have been left alone at some time but for how long and on what nights?  All these things are debatable. 
  Many people here feel the 'checking' schedule on the night the alarm was raised and volunteering info of Madeleine herself saying Sean and her cried and why didn't you (parents) come..... points to the McCanns wanting people to believe  there was time and opportunity for someone to make their daughter disappear whilst they were dining.   If Madeleine had died through some kind of abuse whilst they were there it gives them an alibi.

   You also have the involvement of the friends, why would they want to say they engaged in the same checking routine and leaving children alone in the apartment, why the solidarity between them unless something else went on with the child care arrangements of the whole group?

princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

The children were never left alone during the vacation, they were babysat by the missing adult from the table who was allegedly sick/looking after a sick child.

The mccanns also told us the children weren't left home alone when they related the alleged crying incident when they said " was it when they were being bathed or put to bed?"

If the mccanns were bathing their children and putting them to bed, the question would not have arisen since they would have been present when their children were crying.

That they said such a thing meant the twins were being bathed and put to bed by someone else.

If this had been in 5a with the mccanns still present, the question would not have arisen since they would have known when the children cried and responded (i hope)

Since the mccanns did not know when the children cried, if the mccanns were in 5a and heard nothing, where were the children and who were they with?

If the children were in 5a, who was with them when they allegedly cried and where were the mccanns, since they did not hear the children cry?

If the children were in a different apartment, whose apartment were they in?
What explanation was given for Maddie not being there (I believe she died earlier in the week which allowed not only time for the cadaverine to set in, it also allowed time for the concealment of her corpse and the clean up of the apartment. It also explained the change in routine for breakfast and lunch)

If Maddie was not present with the rest of the children, then it implicates the rest of the tapas 7 since they would presumably be asking where Maddie was and asking if she needed to be checked on since she would not be being babysat by said missing adult.

This then begs the question as to why the tapas 7 covered up the death and disposal of Maddie?
What was going on that the tapas 7 were willing to face accessory after the fact or aiding and abetting charges rather than tell the truth?


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Added by a Mod:  @princess_leia    The theory that you have understood was that set out by Goncalo Amaral in his book, and by the Interim Report of Tavares de Almeida on 10 September 2007.  In short, due to research carried out on CMOMM and elsewhere, the majority of members here no longer believe that Madeleine died after 6pm on Thursday 3 May. A variety of dates for her death have been suggested, but Sunday 29 April is now a common view on this forum - see here for a full review of the evidence:  
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13082-what-s-the-evidence-that-madeleine-died-on-sunday-29-april  
As for how she died, I don't think anyone on this forum has yet got a convincing answer to that - Mod

It is interesting that the McCann support group is in a spin over the new wave of stories. Even slogging off Kandola so she is clearly now off message. The floodgates are opening. Things are being hinted at and  said which were taboo even a ffew months ago. Death isnow increasingly mentioned. IIt seems to definitely be a result of th Supreme Court decision. Also the tabloids are finding flimsy reasons to drag up the story. I wondered if the Marco Pierre thing was a ploy to suggest only druggie loonies question the abduction but it led to more comments questioning their tale. Some comments are very specific.

It appears the tide is well and truly turning against the abduction theory. Shocking though that it's taken almost 10 years. 

Would they still be able to be charged with abandonment/neglect after so long? We have a statute of limitations in this country, I presume Portugal would have a similar system. 10 years after an alleged crime here would be too late to prosecute many crimes.

I think things are going to get interesting in the coming weeks.

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Highlighted and added by a Mod:  But the charge would not be abandonment/neglect. The only evidence that the children were left on their own comes from the parents and the Tapas 7. Other evidence suggests there was no neglect.

The Portuguese police might think they can prove that Madeleine died in the apartment. In that case, the McCanns might be charged with the Portuguese equivalent of these two crimes:

1. Preventing an autopsy, and
2. Perverting the course of justice (lying to police).

Unless there can be certainty about the cause of death (and the absence of a body does not help), it is hard to see how the McCanns could be charged with either homicide or the Portuguese equivalent of our crime: 'causing or allowing the death of a child'.

A full Inquest would establish a lot of facts - but usually a body is needed for that as well.

Finally, there is no evidence that the Portuguese police are currently actively investigating anything, and unless they have absolute proof and can get a European Arrest Warrant out of the British government, their arresting and charging the McCanns seems a very remote possibility  - Mod    

princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

Kate​ McCann 

"I know​ what happened wasn't because we left​ them​ sleeping​ , I know​ it happened under other circumstances " 

Leakage​ ?

sandancer wrote:

princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

Kate​ McCann 

"I know​ what happened wasn't because we left​ them​ sleeping​ , I know​ it happened under other circumstances " 

Leakage​ ?

Hi Sandancer,add to this the quote,"If Madeleine had an accident in the apartment,when we where not there,would that be our fault"? speaks volumes doesn't it?

Hobs wrote:

princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?

The children were never left alone during the vacation, they were babysat by the missing adult from the table who was allegedly sick/looking after a sick child.

The mccanns also told us the children weren't left home alone when they related the alleged crying incident when they said " was it when they were being bathed or put to bed?"

If the mccanns were bathing their children and putting them to bed, the question would not have arisen since they would have been present when their children were crying.

That they said such a thing meant the twins were being bathed and put to bed by someone else.

If this had been in 5a with the mccanns still present, the question would not have arisen since they would have known when the children cried and responded (i hope)

Since the mccanns did not know when the children cried, if the mccanns were in 5a and heard nothing, where were the children and who were they with?

If the children were in 5a, who was with them when they allegedly cried and where were the mccanns, since they did not hear the children cry?

If the children were in a different apartment, whose apartment were they in?
What explanation was given for Maddie not being there (I believe she died earlier in the week which allowed not only time for the cadaverine to set in, it also allowed time for the concealment of her corpse and the clean up of the apartment. It also explained the change in routine for breakfast and lunch)

If Maddie was not present with the rest of the children, then it implicates the rest of the tapas 7 since they would presumably be asking where Maddie was and asking if she needed to be checked on since she would not be being babysat by said missing adult.

This then begs the question as to why the tapas 7 covered up the death and disposal of Maddie?
What was going on that the tapas 7 were willing to face accessory after the fact or aiding and abetting charges rather than tell the truth?


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Added by a Mod:  @princess_leia    The theory that you have understood was that set out by Goncalo Amaral in his book, and by the Interim Report of Tavares de Almeida on 10 September 2007.  In short, due to research carried out on CMOMM and elsewhere, the majority of members here no longer believe that Madeleine died after 6pm on Thursday 3 May. A variety of dates for her death have been suggested, but Sunday 29 April is now a common view on this forum - see here for a full review of the evidence:  
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13082-what-s-the-evidence-that-madeleine-died-on-sunday-29-april  
As for how she died, I don't think anyone on this forum has yet got a convincing answer to that - Mod

Thanks for your reply.

I am not sure about this.  I can see why this could be the case, it would make sense. It's just that it's been the story of the last 10 years, 'the kids were left alone'... so it's really difficult to get my head around it. 

So basically, the kids were always being watched by 'someone' in 1 apartment. 

They've said they left their kids alone to allow for the 'abduction' story. 

How does this tie in  with the twins sleeping through all the commotion of 3rd May though?

Aren't there statements from staff at the ocean club to say that someone was always back and forth? 

Sorry, but I am completely lost now... it makes sense, but I'm lost!

I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.



Added by a Mod:  AN OPEN INVITATION TO suzyjohnson OR ANYONE ELSE WHO DEFENDS THE IDEA THAT MADELEINE DIED AFTER 6PM ON 3 MAY TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS:
1. Probability Last Photo was taken on Sunday 29th
2. No other photo from that holiday that can be proved to have been taken after that (apart perhaps the Make-Up Photo)
3. Absence of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment
4. No credible evidence of independent sightings of Madeleine after Sunday (HideHo post)
5. Madeleine's pyjamas held up at two press conferences on 5 & 7June (Dr Martin Roberts)
6. Nuno Lourenco's clearly planned-in-advance fabrication of his child nearly being kidnapped by Wojchiech Krokowski (Richard Hall's 'The Phantoms', Part 1)
7. Multiple & irreconcilable contradictions about the alleged 'high tea' said to have taken place at 5pm-6pm on 3 May
8. Multiple contradictions in the evidence of the McCanns and the Tapas 7 about events after Sunday 29th
9. The McCanns' change of behaviour after Sunday e.g. only one parent seen with the twins, parents leaving by different doors
10. The sheer unlikelihood that the Tapas group could all sit down for dinner together at 8.30pm that evening having disposed of Madeleine's body and any evidence of her death.
Unless all of these can be properly explained by anyone on the forum still defending 'death after 6pm on 3 May', then surely that theory must be jettisoned for good?  - Mod    


I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.

The hornets nest is buzzing. 

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-macanns-to-be-charged-with-neglect




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A Mod writes: 

The petition says: "Kate, 48, and 47-year-old dad Gerry left 3 unattended children in a hotel room while they went off to enjoy a night out" 

No they didn't.

The petition also says:  "Madeleine, who was three at the time, was left sleeping in the family's apartment in the Algarve resort with her younger twin siblings as her parents went for dinner with friends"

No she wasn't.    - Mod

Does anyone know if Goncalo Amaral still believes she died on 3rd May?


=== ANSWER by Mod:

We do know from a person who is in direct touch with him that he has been made aware of the strong evidence for a significant and serious event having occurred much earlier in the week. What he is going to put into his new book is being kept carefully under wraps until publication! - Mod

princess_leia wrote:Does anyone know if Goncalo Amaral still believes she died on 3rd May?


=== ANSWER by Mod:

We do know from a person who is in direct touch with him that he has been made aware of the strong evidence for a significant and serious event having occurred much earlier in the week. What he is going to put into his new book is being kept carefully under wraps until publication! - Mod

Okay thank you for your reply. 

I do believe she died prior to May 3rd... I've spent the afternoon reading and I can see why they would say they left the kids alone ever night. I'm currently watching Richard Halls 'When Madeleine Died'. I've seen it before but I feel like I need to watch this again.

First of all, they would need to prove that they actually did leave the kids alone.  After all, the PJ suggested that all the kids slept in one apartment, and we know that at least one adult member of the group was missing from the tapas party each night.
I believe that Madeleine died on April 29th.  If that is correct, then no way would the group risk any harm  coming to the remaining children.
The media, at every opportunity, report the line "Madeleine disappeared from her parents' apartment whilst they dined at the local tapas".  IMO, that is nothing more than an alibi, it puts across the idea that the McCanns were not present when Madeleine met her fate.  And of course, they could not claim the abduction without saying that they were out at the time.
IMO, They were far too quick to admit to leaving the kids alone, but they had to say that to cover for something much worse.