Re: Quotes from mccanns and team...

by The Slave 06.10.10 18:19

Judge Mental wrote:Would it be improper to suggest that their every utterance and nuance should be noted and digested thoroughly?

One has the feeling that over the next two or three years almost everything they have shared both with us and the police will become very much more significant than it has been to date.

I have a sneaky feeling all those little chats on sofas in tele studios will one day prove fatal.

by The Slave 06.10.10 18:23

aiyoyo wrote:"It wasn't as bad as the night we found her."......Gerry Mccann

My jaw dropped when I heard that little gem.
It was a real 'Gotcha' moment.
Game was up really...

by **Jill Havern** 06.10.10 19:53

[quote="The Slave"]

aiyoyo wrote:"It wasn't as bad as the night we found her."......Gerry Mccann

My jaw dropped when I heard that little gem.
It was a real 'Gotcha' moment.
Game was up really...[/quote]

You'd think....but the police seem to be doing this [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by listener 06.10.10 23:19

[quote="jkh"]

The Slave wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:"It wasn't as bad as the night we found her."......Gerry Mccann

My jaw dropped when I heard that little gem.
It was a real 'Gotcha' moment.
Game was up really...[/quote]

You'd think....but the police seem to be doing this [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

WHY are the police doing this - and HOW LONG can they continue?
The "Freedom of Information" Act appears (to me) to be a very controlled machine!

by maebee 06.10.10 23:31

"I pray for the people who have kidnapped Madeleine",,,,,,,,,,KM.
aiyoyo

So that's what Dr. Kate was doing in PDL last weekend!

by maebee 06.10.10 23:38

"It was so dark...it was dark, erm I've never had such a long night it was dark and you're just praying for the light you know to come up to get out there it's just..." Kate McCann, the erm, er, mother [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [/quote]

That would be like the dark you left your toddlers in night after night when they were were crying for you to come to them. You were 38 years old Kate, They were under 3 years old. Shame on you.

by aiyoyo 06.10.10 23:48

[quote="listener"]

jkh wrote:
The Slave wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:"It wasn't as bad as the night we found her."......Gerry Mccann

My jaw dropped when I heard that little gem.
It was a real 'Gotcha' moment.
Game was up really...[/quote]

You'd think....but the police seem to be doing this [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

WHY are the police doing this - and HOW LONG can they continue?
The "Freedom of Information" Act appears (to me) to be a very controlled machine!

It most certainly is. Some MPs wanted it doing away with.
Had ex speaker Michael Martin had his way all mps would have been exempted, and the mps expenses scam would never have been exposed.

Men make the rules and control the rules. People requesting info under that would meet brickwall.
It's bloody useless.....it's all in name only, pretending UK is truly democratic.

by tosca 26.10.10 11:57

It's like being a student again, going to the cash point and finding you have no money... aaagh

This is what her father said shortly after her ' disappearance' ...or words to that effect, bloody unbelievable. He equated losing his daughter to his bank balance.

by The Slave 26.10.10 17:08

but it wasn't as bad as the night they found her.

by kathyBelle 26.10.10 17:14

Here is another one of Gerry McCann's famous quotes. "We have the twins to consider, we are now a family."

by aiyoyo 31.10.10 6:02

kathyBelle wrote:Here is another one of Gerry McCann's famous quotes. "We have the twins to consider, we are now a family."

Meaning they werent before when they'd Maddie!

by **sharonl** 27.12.10 21:35

Following on from:-

"We thought that it was safe"

we have:-

"The doors were left unlocked in case of a fire"

How thoughtful of Kate to consider the safety of her children.

Seems a bit pointless since the children were all under the age of four, two of them possibly in cots with the bedroom windows and shutters closed. Not to mention the fact that the twins did not wake during the commotion of the night that Madeleine allegedly went missing, why would a fire wake them?

How exactly were they supposed to get out without injuring themselves? that`s assuming that they are not normal toddlers who would just sit up in their cots and cry.

Is this within the boundaries of good parenting too?

by Judge Mental 27.12.10 23:27

sharonl wrote:Following on from:-

"We thought that it was safe"

we have:-

"The doors were left unlocked in case of a fire"

How thoughtful of Kate to consider the safety of her children.

Seems a bit pointless since the children were all under the age of four, two of them possibly in cots with the bedroom windows and shutters closed. Not to mention the fact that the twins did not wake during the commotion of the night that Madeleine allegedly went missing, why would a fire wake them?

How exactly were they supposed to get out without injuring themselves? that`s assuming that they are not normal toddlers who would just sit up in their cots and cry.

Is this within the boundaries of good parenting too?

We are still waiting for precise clarification on all this ''reasonable parenting'' business. Nobody has actually admitted to saying it yet.

by **sharonl** 27.12.10 23:32

Judge Mental wrote:
sharonl wrote:Following on from:-

"We thought that it was safe"

we have:-

"The doors were left unlocked in case of a fire"

How thoughtful of Kate to consider the safety of her children.

Seems a bit pointless since the children were all under the age of four, two of them possibly in cots with the bedroom windows and shutters closed. Not to mention the fact that the twins did not wake during the commotion of the night that Madeleine allegedly went missing, why would a fire wake them?

How exactly were they supposed to get out without injuring themselves? that`s assuming that they are not normal toddlers who would just sit up in their cots and cry.

Is this within the boundaries of good parenting too?

We are still waiting for precise clarification on all this ''reasonable parenting'' business. Nobody has actually admitted to saying it yet.

This was allegedly Gerald McCann to CNN

He told CNN: "We have been assured by the authorities that what we did fell well within the boundaries of good parenting.

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by Judge Mental 28.12.10 0:35

sharonl wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:
sharonl wrote:Following on from:-

"We thought that it was safe"

we have:-

"The doors were left unlocked in case of a fire"

How thoughtful of Kate to consider the safety of her children.

Seems a bit pointless since the children were all under the age of four, two of them possibly in cots with the bedroom windows and shutters closed. Not to mention the fact that the twins did not wake during the commotion of the night that Madeleine allegedly went missing, why would a fire wake them?

How exactly were they supposed to get out without injuring themselves? that`s assuming that they are not normal toddlers who would just sit up in their cots and cry.

Is this within the boundaries of good parenting too?

We are still waiting for precise clarification on all this ''reasonable parenting'' business. Nobody has actually admitted to saying it yet.

This was allegedly Gerald McCann to CNN

He told CNN: "We have been assured by the authorities that what we did fell well within the boundaries of good parenting.

Read more: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

But who are these authorities? They must come out from wherever they are hiding, and clarify this once and for all. This could be quite a defining moment for hundreds of families whose children have been placed on the risk register, simply because the parents were at local drinking and eating establishments or sitting in a neighbour's garden. Taking all these children off the register, would free up a lot time for social workers to go after the parents of those children who are forced to baby-sit and be on fire-duty at the much younger age of two years or even less.

by **PeterMac** 28.12.10 7:58

"The doors were unlocked in case of fire"
But I believe she said in another intervnew that Madeleine could not possibly have wandered off because she was too small / young to be able to open the door anyway.
So which is it Kate ? I hope the future best selling book 'clarrifies' that point.

by aiyoyo 28.12.10 10:47

JM, I also want to know which authority would tell them it was 'within boundary of responsible parenting!'
I think that generalisation covers almost any imaginery authority GM wants the public to imagine. No authority would have told him that simple for reason of repercussion. GM was lying through as many teeth...

Petermac, the sesame door was invented as unlocked not because of 'in case of fire safety' but because the jemmied shutters tale was found to be lie

There is no way they will mention that in their book, nor the dogs, nor their prayers to god allah style. The book will mostly be about those inefficient sardine munchers.

by Judge Mental 28.12.10 20:40

aiyoyo wrote:JM, I also want to know which authority would tell them it was 'within boundary of responsible parenting!'
I think that generalisation covers almost any imaginery authority GM wants the public to imagine. No authority would have told him that simple for reason of repercussion. GM was lying through as many teeth...

Petermac, the sesame door was invented as unlocked not because of 'in case of fire safety' but because the jemmied shutters tale was found to be lie

There is no way they will mention that in their book, nor the dogs, nor their prayers to god allah style. The book will mostly be about those inefficient sardine munchers.

McCann is going to have to find some poor sap to admit to this reassurance, because it is quite frankly very shocking to think that we have thousands and thousands of children on the risk register, simply because their parents have been deemd irresponsible by the authorities. We cannot have one set of rules for one societal group and a different set of rules for another.

by **sharonl** 28.12.10 20:52

Hi Judge

It seems to me that Aiyoyo has hit the nail on the head here with the term "Imaginary authority", you only need to look at the media spin in some of our worst newspapers to realise that this is a Mctrait.

A source close to the McCanns
An un-named witness
A mystery man

very rarely a name to the person

by listener 28.12.10 22:38

Judge Mental wrote:
sharonl wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:
sharonl wrote:Following on from:-

"We thought that it was safe"

we have:-

"The doors were left unlocked in case of a fire"

How thoughtful of Kate to consider the safety of her children.

Seems a bit pointless since the children were all under the age of four, two of them possibly in cots with the bedroom windows and shutters closed. Not to mention the fact that the twins did not wake during the commotion of the night that Madeleine allegedly went missing, why would a fire wake them?

How exactly were they supposed to get out without injuring themselves? that`s assuming that they are not normal toddlers who would just sit up in their cots and cry.

Is this within the boundaries of good parenting too?

We are still waiting for precise clarification on all this ''reasonable parenting'' business. Nobody has actually admitted to saying it yet.

This was allegedly Gerald McCann to CNN

He told CNN: "We have been assured by the authorities that what we did fell well within the boundaries of good parenting.

Read more: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

But who are these authorities? They must come out from wherever they are hiding, and clarify this once and for all. This could be quite a defining moment for hundreds of families whose children have been placed on the risk register, simply because the parents were at local drinking and eating establishments or sitting in a neighbour's garden. Taking all these children off the register, would free up a lot time for social workers to go after the parents of those children who are forced to baby-sit and be on fire-duty at the much younger age of two years or even less.

It was 'childline' - I remember emailing them and asking if they actually said that. They replied in the negative. I will still have their mail on an old hard-drive somewhere (I save all mails)!

by **Jill Havern** 28.12.10 22:40

listener wrote:It was 'childline' - I remember emailing them and asking if they actually said that. They replied in the negative. I will still have their mail on an old hard-drive somewhere (I save all mails)!

Childline eh? Isn't that the one Esther Rantzen is involved with? Hasn't there been a photo of the McCanns with Esther?

It would be nice if you can find that email yes

by listener 28.12.10 23:07

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
listener wrote:It was 'childline' - I remember emailing them and asking if they actually said that. They replied in the negative. I will still have their mail on an old hard-drive somewhere (I save all mails)!

Childline eh? Isn't that the one Esther Rantzen is involved with? Hasn't there been a photo of the McCanns with Esther?

It would be nice if you can find that email [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Hi and a bellated Merry Christmas [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Mine has been 'pandamonium' due to burst pipes, broken heating boilers etc. - but thanks to friends and families all sorted now [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I have been planning to upgrade my pc soon with a larger HD so I can keep all my 'stuff' easily accessible!
As you know I've had a wee stroke - it has affected my memory, which is why I started saving things I thought were interesting - I know I have saved their mail so I will find it, but first I will have to work out how to access it!

by aiyoyo 29.12.10 11:40

listener wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:
sharonl wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:
sharonl wrote:Following on from:-

"We thought that it was safe"

we have:-

"The doors were left unlocked in case of a fire"

How thoughtful of Kate to consider the safety of her children.

Seems a bit pointless since the children were all under the age of four, two of them possibly in cots with the bedroom windows and shutters closed. Not to mention the fact that the twins did not wake during the commotion of the night that Madeleine allegedly went missing, why would a fire wake them?

How exactly were they supposed to get out without injuring themselves? that`s assuming that they are not normal toddlers who would just sit up in their cots and cry.

Is this within the boundaries of good parenting too?

We are still waiting for precise clarification on all this ''reasonable parenting'' business. Nobody has actually admitted to saying it yet.

This was allegedly Gerald McCann to CNN

He told CNN: "We have been assured by the authorities that what we did fell well within the boundaries of good parenting.

Read more: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

But who are these authorities? They must come out from wherever they are hiding, and clarify this once and for all. This could be quite a defining moment for hundreds of families whose children have been placed on the risk register, simply because the parents were at local drinking and eating establishments or sitting in a neighbour's garden. Taking all these children off the register, would free up a lot time for social workers to go after the parents of those children who are forced to baby-sit and be on fire-duty at the much younger age of two years or even less.

It was 'childline' - I remember emailing them and asking if they actually said that. They replied in the negative. I will still have their mail on an old hard-drive somewhere (I save all mails)!

Well, if Childline denied ever saying that, then they musnt have said it.

GM was either using them as 'imaginary' authority to lend support to his lie or he was making things up as he went along. Either way he was lying through as many teeth.

What is bizarre is no press members ever pressed him for the authority whom he claimed have said they were within boundary of responsible parenting. And, when he abused the 'childline' name, journalists should have verified it with Childline. They just made a mockery of child protecting agencies making up their own rule to suit their purposes. There should be a clear line what is right and what is wrong where child care is concerned.

by YNG 29.12.10 13:10

I came across this article but again it only claims they got legal advice .

Clarence Mitchell ;

'If there is any suggestion of neglect charges being considered that will be vigorously denied because the legal advice that Kate and Gerry have received both in Portugal and Britain is that legally speaking everything they were doing that week was well within the bounds of responsible parenting.'

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by aiyoyo 29.12.10 13:43

That's more like it!
CM spinning, hiding and excusing every of their wrongdoing under 'legal advice'. It's a whole load of bullock. Now which lawyer would advise them their parenting skill is within 'responsible boundary' -bull excrement from CM as usual, as bad as GM. They are all the same....lie through as many teeth.....

What is strange is no child protection agency ever come out to protest about their irresponsibe remarks.

by Shibboleth 29.12.10 13:48

General 'legal advice' is very different from a named person, specifically telling them, that it was responsible behaviour. I am reaching the conclusion that Gerry McCann just made this all up, and Clarence is doing a damage limitation exercise afterwards.

by Guest 29.12.10 16:38

imo this is made up, I would like to know who said it was within the bounds of responsible parenting, although no high profile charity seemed to speak up at the time about this case, if you ask them what their line is on leaving young children alone they will all clearly say you never ever leave young children on their own, therefore I fail to see how any legal advice could say what they did was within the bounds of responsible parenting. They need to name who said that and that individual if he or she exists needs to very swiftly be sent on a Child protection course because they are clearly speaking out of their backside!.imo

by YNG 29.12.10 20:57

I think you are right , it's Pink spin but I have somewhere (with no link I'm afraid) part of a report / interview KM did with the BBC and I'm almost certain she uses more or less the exact words regarding their parenting ..... will search files for it later.

There are parents who have intent to neglect , and others who have no premeditated intent . However the outcome is still failure in their parental duty to protect the child resulting in harm .
Neglect under current UK law means ;
Failure to protect from physical and emotional harm or danger.
Failure to ensure adequate supervision including the use of adequate care-takers.
If they failed to understand that then they fail to understand the whole concept of child care and parental responsibility.
The bottom line is that we must protect our children at all costs – and that includes when we are on holiday , regardless as to whether or not ‘ it felt safe’ !

by listener 30.12.10 0:18

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
listener wrote:It was 'childline' - I remember emailing them and asking if they actually said that. They replied in the negative. I will still have their mail on an old hard-drive somewhere (I save all mails)!

Childline eh? Isn't that the one Esther Rantzen is involved with? Hasn't there been a photo of the McCanns with Esther?

It would be nice if you can find that email [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Hi Jill and appologies [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
It wasn't Childline - it was the NSPCC!
Have not found that mail yet or the reply - but I have found this which I sent to McC's website.

" Could you tell me WHO (in the N.S.P.C.C.) or WHEN a spokesman from the NSPCC ‘ASSURED’ you that your behaviour in leaving your children alone was “well within the bounds of responsible parenting”? "

I did not get a reply [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

The word doc I saved it on is dated 20/9/09

I will keep looking for my letter directly to the NSPCC and their reply.

New Years Resolution - I really must get everything in the same folder - or at least on the same hard drive [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by **PeterMac** 30.12.10 8:46

Mitche££ says they had legal advice from both Portugal AND England.
Did he make that up, or was he told to say that by the McCs ?
In the first case he is a liar, in the second a cretin.
Or possibly both.

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