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by joyce1938 09.08.16 23:07

Yes I must agree on site many things have been talked about and sometimes we agree and other times ,just cant make up minds. I just wish that we could make a big difference ,knowing . The people that need to be persuaded are ,police and all that have covered it all up . have we really made a difference to these people ,is my big ask. ? joyce1938

by **Tony Bennett** 09.08.16 23:43

joyce1938 wrote:Yes I must agree on site many things have been talked about and sometimes we agree and other times, just can't make up minds. I just wish that we could make a big difference, knowing [that] the people that need to be persuaded are police and all that have covered it all up. Have we really made a difference to these people? - is my big ask? joyce1938

@ joyce1938

If you put it like that, I am afraid I must agree with you. No, we have not.

You may recall that on Tuesday 8 May 2007 - only on the fifth day after Madeleine had been reported missing - a secret national task force was convened under the chairmanship of the Leicestershire Chief Constable, Matt Baggott. National ministries and agencies were involved - this was no local task force.

A couple of years ago, when I found out about this secret task force/committee, I asked by means of a simple Freedom of Information Act question who was on this task force. The force refused to disclose it on the grounds that it was top secret - and so neither I nor anyone else had any right to know about it.

Very few now doubt that very powerful forces are keeping the lid on something big -' some big secret' as John Stalker said only a few weeks after Madeleine was reported missing.

We desperately need a 'David' to come and fell the 'Goliath' we face, hopefully by the same method, one accurately delivered sling shot.

by kaz 10.08.16 12:21

joyce1938 wrote:Yes I must agree on site many things have been talked about and sometimes we agree and other times ,just cant make up minds. I just wish that we could make a big difference ,knowing . The people that need to be persuaded are ,police and all that have covered it all up . have we really made a difference to these people ,is my big ask. ? joyce1938

I understand how you feel Joyce 1938 and sometimes one does wonder why anyone bothers...........................nothing seems to change. I don't know if 1938 is your year of birth but if it is you've been around a lot longer than I have but even I can see the beginnings of a tide change over the course of my life so far . We are no longer just accepting all that we are told . We are asking questions . Good questions. We no longer have automatic respect for the Establishment and the chink in the curtain is becoming ever wider with each painfully extracted new revelation. ( And I don't mean Redwood's ) When you were younger would you honestly have believed that police were often corrupt, that the BBC just spouted rubbish, that the media and the truth were two separate entities? I think we've come a long way in that respect and whilst we are asking questions and discussing theories and private thoughts about the MBM case , the culprits are never truly free. Their time will come one day and most likely bring a part of the Establishment tumbling down with them . I'm hopeful.

by joyce1938 10.08.16 12:24

Thanks for that information ,no I did not know about that at all,what can be got away with ,is just beyond my comprehension,. I guess it will come out one day ,just so much underhanded stuff gone on sickens me really. we must just go on till some one wants to let the cat out of the bag ,I wonder if there will be any big shocks ,at that stage ? joyce1938

by joyce1938 10.08.16 14:36

kaz wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:Yes I must agree on site many things have been talked about and sometimes we agree and other times ,just cant make up minds. I just wish that we could make a big difference ,knowing . The people that need to be persuaded are ,police and all that have covered it all up . have we really made a difference to these people ,is my big ask. ? joyce1938
I understand how you feel Joyce 1938 and sometimes one does wonder why anyone bothers...........................nothing seems to change. I don't know if 1938 is your year of birth but if it is you've been around a lot longer than I have but even I can see the beginnings of a tide change over the course of my life so far . We are no longer just accepting all that we are told . We are asking questions . Good questions. We no longer have automatic respect for the Establishment and the chink in the curtain is becoming ever wider with each painfully extracted new revelation. ( And I don't mean Redwood's ) When you were younger would you honestly have believed that police were often corrupt, that the BBC just spouted rubbish, that the media and the truth were two separate entities? I think we've come a long way in that respect and whilst we are asking questions and discussing theories and private thoughts about the MBM case , the culprits are never truly free. Their time will come one day and most likely bring a part of the Establishment tumbling down with them . I'm hopeful.

Thanks for your comment Kaz, yes 38 is my birthyear,yes seen so much change ,as you correctly realized.The only time I felt police were not all they should be ,was from my mum years ago ,had illness long time ,about 2in the morning ,the police use to cll in for cup of tea .knowing mum slept badly. They would make the tea ,ans it and chat . well they often gave the game away ,by telling stuff they should not . so my mum told me that they can be B___terds and not truthfull,so that was in my head. as a teenager,please excuse the language .joyce1938

by **Keitei** 19.08.16 18:31

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Bugsy ‏@TheBunnyReturns 1h1 hour ago
BREAKING NEWS: PRO #McCANN TROLL, DARREN LAVERTY CHARGED WITH STALKING TODAY, AFTER METROPOLITAN POLICE INVESTIGATION.
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by sallypelt 19.08.16 20:17

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Bugsy ‏@TheBunnyReturns 1h1 hour ago
BREAKING NEWS: PRO #McCANN TROLL, DARREN LAVERTY CHARGED WITH STALKING TODAY, AFTER METROPOLITAN POLICE INVESTIGATION.
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I saw this, earlier on Twitter, but there's no link to confirm it, and I can't find one referring to today. It says "breaking news" but where is it breaking? However, from what I did find, it appears that this man is a pest.

by **Keitei** 19.08.16 21:22

I looked to see if there was any reporting today and so far, I have found nothing.

This Tweet seems to have upset Bunny https://twitter.com/drlavertyx/status/639826246457757696

by tinkier 22.08.16 23:46

I wonder why he picked that police force...? thinking

Mark Williams-Thomas

[ltr]@mwilliamsthomas[/ltr]

This will show just how diverse the role of the police officer is today . https://twitter.com/leicspolice/status/767785346578939904 …

by Doug D 24.08.16 10:50

Not sure this really qualifies under the ‘important info’ heading, but Birch is on the move again (or so he says!), following on from Hoffman’s book?

Stephen D.Birch ‏‪@BirchStephen 15h
15 hours ago
South Africa
8 days away from informing McCann twins, Sean & Amelie where their sister Maddie"s buried ‪#McCann - team in place

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by Guest 24.08.16 12:15

Doug D wrote:Not sure this really qualifies under the ‘important info’ heading, but Birch is on the move again (or so he says!), following on from Hoffman’s book?

Stephen D.Birch ‏‪@BirchStephen 15h
15 hours ago
South Africa
8 days away from informing McCann twins, Sean & Amelie where their sister Maddie"s buried ‪#McCann - team in place

I think the man is unstable - he needs to be restrained.

by **sandancer** 24.08.16 12:51

Totally agree Verdi!
The twins have had more than enough to cope with in their short lives .
Parents who spend their lives moaning on sofas , or whining about themselves in court after losing their eldest child they drag the two youngest into the spotlight whenever it suits their "agenda " .
My heart as always goes out to the twins the parents and wider family clearly do not consider what all this will do to them in the future.
Stephen Birch needs to be stopped now !

by **Keitei** 24.08.16 14:44

sandancer wrote:Totally agree Verdi!
The twins have had more than enough to cope with in their short lives .
Parents who spend their lives moaning on sofas , or whining about themselves in court after losing their eldest child they drag the two youngest into the spotlight whenever it suits their "agenda " .
My heart as always goes out to the twins the parents and wider family clearly do not consider what all this will do to them in the future.
Stephen Birch needs to be stopped now !

I understand that this latest episode has been reported to the correct people.

by MayMuse 24.08.16 20:48

Keitei wrote:
sandancer wrote:Totally agree Verdi!
The twins have had more than enough to cope with in their short lives .
Parents who spend their lives moaning on sofas , or whining about themselves in court after losing their eldest child they drag the two youngest into the spotlight whenever it suits their "agenda " .
My heart as always goes out to the twins the parents and wider family clearly do not consider what all this will do to them in the future.
Stephen Birch needs to be stopped now !
I understand that this latest episode has been reported to the correct people.

Would that be to the "troll-hunter squad" ?
I sometimes wonder if Mr Birch is a "plant" ?

He sure as hell seems like he's fallen off a tree!
IMO

by Guest 24.08.16 20:54

MayMuse wrote:
Keitei wrote:
sandancer wrote:Totally agree Verdi!
The twins have had more than enough to cope with in their short lives .
Parents who spend their lives moaning on sofas , or whining about themselves in court after losing their eldest child they drag the two youngest into the spotlight whenever it suits their "agenda " .
My heart as always goes out to the twins the parents and wider family clearly do not consider what all this will do to them in the future.
Stephen Birch needs to be stopped now !
I understand that this latest episode has been reported to the correct people.
Would that be to the "troll-hunter squad" ?
I sometimes wonder if Mr Birch is a "plant" ?

He sure as hell seems like he's fallen off a tree!
IMO

Even a weed is classified as a plant big grin

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by Guest 25.08.16 0:54

MayMuse wrote:
Keitei wrote:
sandancer wrote:Totally agree Verdi!
The twins have had more than enough to cope with in their short lives .
Parents who spend their lives moaning on sofas , or whining about themselves in court after losing their eldest child they drag the two youngest into the spotlight whenever it suits their "agenda " .
My heart as always goes out to the twins the parents and wider family clearly do not consider what all this will do to them in the future.
Stephen Birch needs to be stopped now !
I understand that this latest episode has been reported to the correct people.
Would that be to the "troll-hunter squad" ?
I sometimes wonder if Mr Birch is a "plant" ?

He sure as hell seems like he's fallen off a tree!
IMO

Seriously though, it does make you wonder what it's all about. Even if he is some kind of crackpot, the impact on the twins and the rest of the McCann family could be catastrophic - an ideal opportunity for the McCanns to capitalize on the victim status but they haven't have they? If they had taken action to prevent this crank from acting out his threats then he wouldn't still be publicly menacing the family.

I was reminded of Kate McCann's reaction to Danie Krugal, another charlatan with a body detection device that at the time she seemed to think was worth a try. From her autobiographical novel..

"At our next meeting with Neves and Encarnação, on 28 June, we tentatively raised the possibility of bringing in Danie Krugel, a South African ex-police officer who claimed to have combined DNA and satellite tracking technology to develop a device that could be used to locate missing persons.

I know this sounds mad, so let me rewind a little to explain. Danie’s name, and his offer of help, had reached us via a variety of sources within the first few weeks of Madeleine’s disappearance. At the time we were in too much turmoil to pay much attention to anything so esoteric, and in any case we had all our hopes pinned on the police investigation.

Towards the end of May, a friend of Danie’s arrived in Praia da Luz and virtually pleaded with me to take up his offer. She spoke of references from the South African police, for whom his machine had brought results, of its 80 per cent success rate and of the support of the South African minister for justice. Whether we were influenced by the distance this young mother had travelled just to talk to us, or whether we were simply plain desperate, I can’t be sure – putting it in perspective today, I’d say it was the latter – but by now we were more receptive."

She goes on to say that the device hadn’t been formally tested by any independent and trustworthy authority but still it was worth a try. Maybe it's a bit like Eddie and Keela - the reliability dependent on who's being sniffed out when and where?

by Doug D 25.08.16 7:20

Verdi:

‘Charlatan’

How could you?

‘A person disappears, you find a few strands of hair left on a brush, you put those hairs into a gadget and that points out on a map where in the world that person may be.’

Obviously didn’t work because they couldn’t find anything appropriate with which to load the device!

Should have sent GM back to Rothley again for another pillow case!

by Guest 25.08.16 13:01

Doug D wrote:Verdi:

‘Charlatan’

How could you?

‘A person disappears, you find a few strands of hair left on a brush, you put those hairs into a gadget and that points out on a map where in the world that person may be.’

Obviously didn’t work because they couldn’t find anything appropriate with which to load the device!

Should have sent GM back to Rothley again for another pillow case!

Funny you should say that Doug D - Kate McCann's chiclet goes on to say..

"So, in the second week of June, we had confided in Auntie Janet and our friend Amanda back in Leicestershire and got them to go round to our house looking for hairs that could only be Madeleine’s. They came up with five head hairs from the inside of a coat hood and a couple of eyelashes from her pillow and couriered the lot off to Danie in South Africa...."

laugh

by **sandancer** 25.08.16 16:37

So , two dogs with an unblemished record are declared "incredibly unreliable " .Yet some random bloke from South Africa with a random untested machine made his claims , allegedly endorsed by some random , unnamed woman are good enough to be used to search for their daughter !
"Five head hairs from the inside of a coat hood and a couple of eyelashes from her pillow " was that the same pillow Gerry took the pillowcase from ? Really ? ! ?

Ludicrous !! As a work of fiction it's not really very good is it ?
Just my opinion of course

by Angelique 25.08.16 19:54

It does seem "totally ludicrous" to quote another but when you are running a campaign to "raise awareness" or should that be money one has to appeal to all levels of intelligence.

I really don't believe for a moment a qualified Doctor and a Consultant Heart Specialist would in all seriousness believe in this so-called "body detection machine" but it does pull in people from all walks of life and it also doubles as "packing" for her upcoming novelette.

Everything and anything - it all helps.

by Guest 25.08.16 20:19

sandancer wrote:So , two dogs with an unblemished record are declared "incredibly unreliable " .Yet some random bloke from South Africa with a random untested machine made his claims , allegedly endorsed by some random , unnamed woman are good enough to be used to search for their daughter !
"Five head hairs from the inside of a coat hood and a couple of eyelashes from her pillow " was that the same pillow Gerry took the pillowcase from ? Really ? ! ?

Ludicrous !! As a work of fiction it's not really very good is it ?
Just my opinion of course

Now don't be facetious sandancer, the magic machine came highly recommended - a friend of the Krugal, a young mother, traveled all the way to Portugal from South Africa to plead with the McCanns to take up the offer. Sounds pretty impressive to me.

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Seems to me more likely one would find an eyelash on a pillowcase than on the actual pillow, if so that pillowcase must have been recycled more times than pigswill. What if the eyelashes and hairs did not come from Madeleine - the machine might have gone totally berserk floundering across the earths surface looking for the mystery donor.

The question still remains - why haven't the McCanns taken steps to denounce the threats made by Birch?

by **sandancer** 25.08.16 21:57

I have a picture in my head of a little machine with pipes , tubes and wire hanging out of it jumping about the place , creaking and groaning until finally erupting into smoke and flames ! All because of the wrong eyelashes from the pillowcase !!

Oh dear I really do need to get out more

by Guest 25.08.16 23:43

sandancer wrote:I have a picture in my head of a little machine with pipes , tubes and wire hanging out of it jumping about the place , creaking and groaning until finally erupting into smoke and flames ! All because of the wrong eyelashes from the pillowcase !!

Oh dear I really do need to get out more

You and me both big grin

!

Sure you're not thinking of Ger's over inflated bagpipes - err.. or was it an over stuffed haggis..

by MRNOODLES 29.08.16 20:51

Just spotted this

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/770329551318740992

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by Guest 29.08.16 23:16

I don't think it has any significance - a witness protection procedure I suspect..

The Leveson Inquiry

Hugh Grant Exhibit HGSS1

This record is closed

Closed For 100 years
Opening date: 13 September 2113

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/cd5389899b704da6be9666a752808342

by Doug D 31.08.16 11:25

Jerry Lawton ‏

[ltr]@JerryLawton[/ltr]

3h[size=1]3 hours ago[/size]
Find Madeleine #McCann fund set to be wiped out by parents' libel loss to Goncalo Amaral

Is the appeal verdict about to break and he has prior knowledge or is it just MSM bullshit?

by Guest 31.08.16 12:04

Doug D wrote:Jerry Lawton ‏

[ltr]@JerryLawton[/ltr]

3h[size=1]3 hours ago[/size]
Find Madeleine #McCann fund set to be wiped out by parents' libel loss to Goncalo Amaral

Is the appeal verdict about to break and he has prior knowledge or is it just MSM bullshit?

I very much doubt it Doug D - wishful thinking!

Considering the slow pace that the Portuguese legal system works and the fact that Europe is still functioning in summer recess mode, it's very unlikely that a decision has yet been made.

I think this latest spate of white noise is in preparation for the closure of Operation Grange. Every time there has been rumblings about one thing or another, they always resort to whining about the diminished funds. Hope they're well stocked with good quality wristbands - private investigators don't come cheap (snort!).

by sallypelt 03.09.16 21:12

@walkercan1000
@dizzyscandal1 @nunoetal @YouTube 193rd request. Show me any video or statement where the #mccann s say the shutters were damaged or jimmied

So, is walkercan1000 accusing the McCann family of lying?

"Trish Cameron: They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut. Kate went back at ten o'clock to check; the front door was lying open; the window had been tampered with; the shu
tters had been jammied open... or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing"

Gerry tells Brian Healy the shutters were broken and the door was open, 05 May 2007

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6620000/newsid_6625200/6625205.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1

Gerry tells Brian Healy the shutters were broken and the door was open, 05 May 2007

by **Tony Bennett** 03.09.16 21:32

sallypelt wrote:@walkercan1000
@dizzyscandal1 @nunoetal @YouTube 193rd request. Show me any video or statement where the #mccann s say the shutters were damaged or jimmied.

So, is walkercan1000 accusing the McCann family of lying?

"Trish Cameron: They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut. Kate went back at ten o'clock to check; the front door was lying open; the window had been tampered with; the shu
tters had been jammied open... or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing"

Gerry tells Brian Healy the shutters were broken and the door was open, 05 May 2007

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6620000/newsid_6625200/6625205.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1

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REPLY: A classic case of a fact being cunningly concealed by a partial truth.

True Fact: The McCanns themselves never said the shutters were damaged or jimmied.

Fact being concealed: Several relatives and journalists were told by the McCanns that the shutters had been damaged or jimmied and then they spoke to the media, not the McCanns.

Here's one more example, from 2010, Clarence Mitchell being asked a question about Jane Tanner identifying Robert Murat:

True Fact: Clarence: "Jane never named Murat as the suspected abductor".

Fact being concealed: Jane Tanner clear did, adamantly, identify Murat as the suspected abductor (though never actually naming him)

by Doug D 04.11.16 22:22

No idea what this actually means. The date shown is 12/9/16, but this is then posted under an entry titled 'Relationship roles distributed on 04/10/2016 [Civil]:

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