British police believe they spoke to her attacker

by Bishop Brennan 28.04.16 2:51

Looks like the next part of the whitewash / closedown is under way.

Led, unsurprisingly, by the Star which has declared: "BRIT police are convinced they know what happened to Madeleine McCann – and believe they spoke to her attacker."

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It's the same tired and entirely unbelievable story about the 3 burglars who were disturbed by the fierce 3-year-old with perfect recall. The drug addict, the driver and the boy. It has all the hallmarks of a planted story by team McCann in that it is simply a rehash of earlier theories and no news at all. Presumably part of the ongoing joint effort between TM, SY and the MSM to leave the public (and the public record) with the perception of "anyone but the McCanns"

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by MayMuse 28.04.16 4:05

The remaining lead is thought to be key..."The suspects are Jose Carlos da Silva, 30, who used to drive guests to their apartments at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz from where Madeleine vanished, drifter Ricardo Rodrigues, 24, and drug addict Paulo Ribeiro 53" .........................
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by Estelle 28.04.16 4:14

Are they defaming real people yet again? Where's the evidence?

by MayMuse 28.04.16 4:19

Estelle wrote:Are they defaming real people yet again? Where's the evidence?

Well maybe that is the 'key'... They still gave to find it?
It's only taken 5 years?!
And all because he never mentioned seeing a vehicle in his statement?
Is that classed as changing your story?
There's quite a number of those already, that have gone unchallenged!!!

by MayMuse 28.04.16 4:24

Rodrigues is also suspected of collecting cash for a non-existent orphanage just 100 metres from the McCanns’ apartment at 4pm on the day Madeleine, then three, disappeared.
Criminal psychologist Heriberto Janosch González says he tipped off police about da Silva and Rodrigues in 2013.
He said: “I view the events not as a kidnapping but as a theft that escalated.”

So it's taken since 2013 to make them arguidos?
Did they know this 'key' before Amarals win? Or after?

by Estelle 28.04.16 5:07

This is so pathetic that I have posted it here with comments!

That theory is that the tot was snatched after disturbing burglars who had been targeting the Portuguese holiday block where she was staying.

Where is the evidence of a break in by three burglars? Do they have their DNA to prove this?

Police believe three suspects they have been pursuing hold the key to the nine-year mystery.

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PARENTS: Kate and Gerry McCann
The trio have already been declared arguidos – or suspects – and were interviewed at least twice.

A source wrote:“This remaining lead is thought to be key”

They are linked by a series of phone calls they made to each other near the McCanns’ apartment around the time she vanished.

So what was in the phone calls and texts? Was 5A mentioned or what they intended to take or that they were disturbed by a 3 year old?

A source said: “This remaining lead is thought to be key.”

The suspects are Jose Carlos da Silva, 30, who used to drive guests to their apartments at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz from where Madeleine vanished, drifter Ricardo Rodrigues, 24, and drug addict Paulo Ribeiro, 53.

So they name real people with no substantial evidence? A driver, a drifter and a drug addict?

Da Silva made no mention of the calls or texts when he was questioned by police in 2007.

Did he lie or not disclose? Just because one makes a phone call in a an area, does not make you an abductor!

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RESORT: Near the apartments where Maddie disappeared
Rodrigues is also suspected of collecting cash for a non-existent orphanage just 100 metres from the McCanns’ apartment at 4pm on the day Madeleine, then three, disappeared.

Has this witness account been verified? So he hung around for five hours (or came back) to collect money from the McCanns for the "orphanage"? When they did not answer the door, he went in and could not find any money, did not take their camera to sell which was on the table, so then went into the childrens' room hoping that he could rob their money box, Madeleine turned over so he then decided to snatch her as he thought she might tell the police and left the apartment out of the window with her leaving no trace.

Criminal psychologist Heriberto Janosch González says he tipped off police about da Silva and Rodrigues in 2013.

He said: “I view the events not as a kidnapping but as a theft that escalated.”

One has to always name some authority to give credence to a report. Nothing was stolen so how can it even be called a theft? He states quite clearly it was not a kidnapping so what was it?

Pathetic piece of journalism no doubt written by Clarence Mitchell. Why can't the British public do something to stop this? It is an insult to them to have to read such utter nonsense. (I live in Australia.)

by MayMuse 28.04.16 6:13

Totally agree Estelle...3 suspects with no evidence of substance, ( unless that comes in tomorrow's news) it is going round in circles. Ages of ~~subjects~~ suspects nine years ago would mean that one if them was a child himself (15). How did they know each other? What reason did they have to 'take' Madeleine? Are they known paedophiles as well as 'burglars'? We are meant to 'swallow' a burglary gone wrong? How and why and when did this alleged burglary go wrong, at what point did it change from stealing 'the family silverware' to a precious child. Why not take all 3 babies, it wasn't a Lone Ranger so no problem to take one each!?

SY have sat on this for 3 years?

And yes where is the DNA?

More importantly, where is Madeleine!?

by MayMuse 28.04.16 6:33

The man who views it not as a kidnapping but a theft which escalated?!?
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Who was it who said nothing of importance was stolen or words to that effect?

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by MayMuse 28.04.16 6:42

If nothing has changed in the last 8 days, from Duthie and Hogan-Howe statements I can deduce the "burglary that went wrong" is the unique line of inquiry SY is considering now for Madeleine abduction.

The above is a quote from his blog, which appears to me that he is 'deducing' a theory as 'the line of enquiry'

So maybe the latest report is not the police lines?

Stand to be corrected but this is how I understand it!

Thoughts anyone?

by MayMuse 28.04.16 6:52

There is not one direct quote from any authoritative figure .i.e the police!

It is 'a source said' .....again!

And a 'deduction' from an expert in criminology?

Wonder if he was paid for that bit of 'sherlocking' ?

spit coffee

by pendragon2007 28.04.16 7:00

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OK so not seen chatting to Lord Lucan & Elvis in a supermarket, (see my first post under DIVERSION AHEAD) but just as ridiculous. 3 blokes enter McCann's apartment with theft in mind and leave with Madeleine. No DNA, Leave the Twins, nothing taken, no damage to apartment, no ransom demand , not seen by Jane Tanner or anyone else and only comes to light after GA's revelations. - I could go on but I'll leave it there with the contempt it deserves.
Don't forget :- THE TRUTH IS STILL OUT THERE (The X Files). But you aint gonna get it from SY - echoes of Hillsborough here!!!!

by NickE 28.04.16 7:22

Heriberto Janosch is a Pro McCann activist and he has deleted all his Pro McCann tweets from his Twitter,There’s only 6 tweets left from him but he has spamming the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hashtag for years with his mumbo-jumbo-abduction theory and not at least stalked this poor OC driver.

by Guest 28.04.16 7:25

Police still ignoring massive lead.

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by MayMuse 28.04.16 7:34

NickE wrote:Heriberto Janosch is a Pro McCann activist and he has deleted all his Pro McCann tweets from his Twitter,There’s only 6 tweets left from him but he has spamming the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hashtag for years with his mumbo-jumbo-abduction theory and not at least stalked this poor OC driver.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thanks was not aware or heard of him ever!

So maybe the press got this 'story' from him? As it sure hasn't come from an official source in my opinion.

Extraordinary the explosion since Amarals win isn't it?

by MayMuse 28.04.16 7:36

BlueBag wrote:Police still ignoring massive lead.

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Two obvious super great leads high5

by NickE 28.04.16 7:41

MayMuse wrote:
NickE wrote:Heriberto Janosch is a Pro McCann activist and he has deleted all his Pro McCann tweets from his Twitter,There’s only 6 tweets left from him but he has spamming the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hashtag for years with his mumbo-jumbo-abduction theory and not at least stalked this poor OC driver.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thanks was not aware or heard of him ever!

So maybe the press got this 'story' from him? As it sure hasn't come from an official source in my opinion.

Extraordinary the explosion since Amarals win isn't it?

Yes,desperation from all directions.

by MayMuse 28.04.16 7:57

NickE wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
NickE wrote:Heriberto Janosch is a Pro McCann activist and he has deleted all his Pro McCann tweets from his Twitter,There’s only 6 tweets left from him but he has spamming the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hashtag for years with his mumbo-jumbo-abduction theory and not at least stalked this poor OC driver.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thanks was not aware or heard of him ever!

So maybe the press got this 'story' from him? As it sure hasn't come from an official source in my opinion.

Extraordinary the explosion since Amarals win isn't it?
Yes,desperation from all directions.

This must be one gigantic 'secret' they are trying to divert/cover up?

by Estelle 28.04.16 8:12

THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED,

The man who views it not as a kidnapping but a theft which escalated?!?
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by MayMuse 28.04.16 8:39

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Estelle wrote:THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED,

The man who views it not as a kidnapping but a theft which escalated?!?
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Yes, I put that link up of his blog at 6.33am today. Apparently he is on Twitter and is a McCann supporter & has deleted all his tweets bar the links to the news and his blog, NickE put it in a post.

The papers who print his 'deduction' need to be also.

by NickE 28.04.16 8:56

He just copy the gossip from British msm media and call him self Criminal psychologist, what a joke.
Translate with google.
Snipped from a spanish website

-The Criminological theories focus on the individual or society ...
HJG - but is not. We hypothesize that crime occurs at the intersection. The individual has a moral self and self-control. On the other hand the environment has controls, guards, cameras, etc., and also a "moral environment". If the individual has a moral prone to crime and poor self - control, and the environment lacks controls, and there is a consenting shared moral crime, the criminal act occurs.
- In this case is there suspects?
HJG - With the information I have, I found two suspects. There are certainly new information held by the Procuradoria-Geral da República and the Judiciary Police Portuguese, and Scotland Yard, who have a special group to investigate this kidnapping, "Operation Grange" which has invested about 12 million pounds if. But the analysis of the information I have available led me to two individuals.
- How did that analysis?
HJG - As I said before, knowing the place I realized that the "moral environment" allowed Thefts in apartments and small scams like asking for money for public welfare institutions nonexistent. In the first case, resorts, whether hotels or apart-hotel, preferred that the insurance will pay them to guests who suffer some theft, rather than call the police, and that would impact on image of the tourist resort. In the second case, they swarmed the time Madeleine abducted men who demanded money from tourists or residents "for an orphanage" nonexistent.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]But this was a kidnapping of a girl, not a robbery ...
HJG - Here we go. I faced the analysis of the facts as a planned abduction, but as a robbery that escalated in kidnapping. Why this escalation? The thief did not imagine meeting someone in apartment 5A, Madeleine woke up and met him, perhaps he began to cry when she realized that it was not someone from his family and the offender, scared, he took it . Seventeen days before the kidnapping occurred a theft in the apartment 5L, and a week before an attempted theft in the 5G Mrs. Fenn, both in the same apartment block. In both cases, as in the abduction of Madeleine, a window was opened from the outside.
- How he appeared the names of the suspects?
HJG - Reading and rereading came to a person, then employee of the Ocean Club, the resort where Madeleine was staying José Carlos Fernandes da Silva , 30, who was carrying tourists from the main reception to the apartments in a minibus . The apartments could be hundreds of meters from the reception. José Carlos lived about two hundred meters from the apartment Madeleine, and many other place where a family saw a man carrying in his arms a blonde girl like Madeleine, at 22:05 pm. approximately.
- Must be something else, right?
HJG - Of course. The day of the kidnapping José Carlos was not working, but was in the area. I made three calls toRicardo Rodrigues , the other suspect I located, at 17:26, at 21:38 and 21:51, as well as an SMS message at 21:25. I want to clarify that, by all accounts I've read, I believe Madeleine was abducted around 21:50. But following with José Carlos, at 23:00 it was "taking the air" on a balcony of the building, although the night was pretty cool, and is right on the street next to the building, a person, a witness who he came to the attention of Scotland Yard, located two men arguing, talking loudly. When they notice that they are being watched away talking quietly. But the final fact to consider suspect Jose Carlos I found in the Portuguese record ... had acriminal record for theft!
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- And the other suspect, such Ricardo?
HJG - Ricardo by then 16 years. He was a kid who did not like to study, whose highest aspiration was to have a car fast enough to put more than 200 km / h on the roads in the Algarve. In addition, I have evidence that the day of the kidnapping would have been, at 16:00 pm, collecting money for a nonexistent orphanage, in a house located just 100 meters from the apartment Madeleine, along with another man, who could be Jose Carlos and where he received 10 euros. Of course, I have no proof, but evidence. My whole theory is based on evidence obtained from the court record and the comments I made on site.
- These people ... they should investigate
HJG - I thought the same when I had this picture of situation in mind, in June 2013, and so informed Scotland Yard, and the Portuguese authorities. More than a year later, in July 2014, Scotland Yard interrogated achieved that in Faro, Portugal, as suspects. The judicial term there is "arguidos". They also questioned a certain Paulo Ribeiro , which is described as a psychiatric patient drug addict, who was about 50 years by then, and the day before the kidnapping was in contact with Ricardo.
- A very special trio ..............

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by suzyjohnson 28.04.16 9:57

If this lead is the most promising, why have Scotland Yard left it until last?

by Roxyroo 28.04.16 10:09

I.m sure most police on this forum will agree burglars rarely deviate from stealing valuables! How likely is it that they would abduct a child....not at all!

by Estelle 28.04.16 10:17

Roxyroo wrote:I.m sure most police on this forum will agree burglars rarely deviate from stealing valuables! How likely is it that they would abduct a child....not at all!

It's not likely that she would be able to report a description of the burglar/s to police or do any harm to them! Burglars are after money or other valuables. If they were after money, they could have written a ransom note.

It is so ridiculous that it is outrageous.

by Rogue-a-Tory 28.04.16 10:22

"drifter Ricardo Rodrigues, 24,"

Seriously? That would have made this criminal mastermind of an orphanage deception 15 back on 3 May 2007. nah

by willowthewisp 28.04.16 10:23

Sorry to be sarcastic at this moment in time about the Madeleine McCann disappearance and this new famed scenario?
Remember the Three Monkeys and put into some sort of context,Sir Bernard Hogan Howe,SIO Hamish Campbell and DCI Andy Redwood,Viola,we'er all in this together,a bit like what we have seen played out with SYP?

by suzyjohnson 28.04.16 10:36

So, what happens if the police do try to pin this on the three suspected burglars?

Either they will have to take them to court which should be very interesting without any evidence.

Or they will just have to drop the case against them.

And then it will just be assumed by the British that they were responsible but the police cannot prove it? Will the three have any legal redress against being falsely accused in the newspapers?

by Estelle 28.04.16 10:37

MORE FROM Heriberto Janosch González (HJG): http://factorelblog.com/2016/03/31/caso-madeleine-1/ translated from Google. The numbers in brackets refer to a map on this link.

NOTES FOR POSSIBLE TIMELINE

16:00 Two men (Ricardo and Jose Carlos?) Ask for money for a nonexistent orphanage ( "1" in the plane based on Google Maps ).

17:26 Call from cell Jose Carlos and Ricardo.

21:05 Gerry, Madeleine's father leaves her sleeping with his brothers 2 years in the apartment 5A ( "2"), to continue the dinner with his wife and his group of friends at the Tapas Bar ( "3 ").

21:25 Message SMS between cell Jose Carlos and Ricardo.

21:35 Matthew Oldfield, who was dining with Madeleine's parents, through the 5A apartment, and sees nothing unusual.

21:38 Call between José Carlos cellular and Ricardo.

21:50 ¿approximate time that Madeleine is kidnapped?

21:51 Jose Carlos makes a call on his mobile phone, about 1 minute long, Ricardo.

22:00 Kate, the mother of Madeleine , arrives at the apartment 5A for children. The bedroom window is open, the blinds raised. Madeleine is no longer.

22:05 The members of the Smith family, see a man carrying a child in her arms, the physical characteristics of Madeleine. The girl goes in pajamas and barefoot, despite the cool night ( "4").

23:00 Jose Carlos "take the air" on one of the balconies of the building where he lives ( "5"). On the street, almost in the same place and at about the same time, a person sees two men talking loudly. When they realize they are being watched, talking away quietly.

So based on three mobile calls and one SMS in the area at the time, Jose Carlos and Ricardo are being accused of kidnapping Madeleine McCann with no knowledge of the content of the mobile calls or SMS message.

I call this COINCIDENCE rather than CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

by Doug D 28.04.16 10:48

Estelle:

‘It is so ridiculous that it is outrageous.’

It also doesn’t fit with Duthie’s comments from last week about hoping to still find her alive, although he did talk about the burglars.

If this is the last thread that BHH was talking about, why has it taken OG ten months to get round to looking into it?

Must be too many pub lunches and sausage sandwiches.

Nothing like pulling out all the stops when you are looking for a potentially ‘still alive’ child! After all, it’s only been nine years now.

It’s all complete bollocks.

by aiyoyo 28.04.16 10:56

Doug D wrote:
It also doesn’t fit with Duthie’s comments from last week about hoping to still find her alive, although he did talk about the burglars.

Nuh, if MET haven't got intelligence on abductor, hoping to retrieve an alive Maddie within few months before earmarked fund runs out is pretty non existence.

So can't be last ditch attempt to catch abductor or recover her alive.

If they really have abductor within sight, would they have announced imminent closure? Nuh, don't think so......

by MRNOODLES 28.04.16 11:39

Weird innit, burglars they've known about for 9 years. Who haven't been nicked for burgling for 9 years. Plus burglars, who didn't nick anything anyway, just kidnap a child and make her vanish without a trace. Well I say without a trace, they did leave the smell of a fish supper all over the belongings of their victim's family.

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