Re: "Investigate the cremated body thesis" Gonçalo Amaral calls for analysis and reconstruction.

by MayMuse 18.05.16 22:53

I do think that some parts of the book should be added to her statements and clarified as it does not add up. The description when read actually made my blood run cold.
Don't know much about soak-a- ways but seems as good a "theory" as any & have read of that before a number of years ago. How big are they usually as I thought they were quite small? Certainly would mingle with any "stench" ... Just another thought...

by Guest 18.05.16 23:03

aquila wrote:
I'll stick with a soakaway sewage system. It's the easiest and most fail-safe way to dispose of a body/body of evidence - and the beauty of a soakaway system is it goes undisturbed for donkey's years; it's not a septic tank in need of emptying

Would they have been checked during the police searches?

by Liz Eagles 18.05.16 23:03

MayMuse wrote:
aquila wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
aquila wrote:I'm not given to theories because none of the theories I've read have anything other than gaping holes in them.

Hiding a body in a coffin seems ridiculous to me - not impossible but nevertheless ridiculous imo.

If someone wanted to dispose of a body (or a blue bag for that matter) the easiest way is to find a soakaway sewage system. Such a system not only supports decomposition it thrives on it. There must be loads of soakaway systems in and around PDL. I had one of these systems myself when I lived in Greece and was advised to throw in any dead rats found in the garden to aid the breakdown process. A nice little hole with a nice metal cover/cap hidden in the garden flora.

Just my opinion.
Like lying cold,and mottled on a large grey stone slab?...Kate McCann from the book "madeleine"
Quoting Kate McCann's self promoting bewk means little if you consider the theory that it is to deflect from the truth. Of course, some people think it's brain leakage. I don't.

I'll stick with a soakaway sewage system. It's the easiest and most fail-safe way to dispose of a body/body of evidence - and the beauty of a soakaway system is it goes undisturbed for donkey's years; it's not a septic tank in need of emptying.

Just a thought.
I do think that some parts of the book should be added to her statements and clarified as it does not add up. The description when read actually made my blood run cold.
Don't know much about soak-a- ways but seems as good a "theory" as any & have read of that before a number of years ago. How big are they usually as I thought they were quite small? Certainly would mingle with any "stench" ... Just another thought...

There's no smell from a soakaway system that has a cap on it. My own system, a domestic system, had an inspection chamber (if I have that term correct) that was big enough to place a child's body in (writing that made me shudder). Add to this that such a system is generally surrounded by the natural scent of flora and there's just no smell.

I'd like to know if Scotland Yard and the PJ have looked at all the properties with soakaway systems in PDL and its environs. The properties such as OC probably have fixed plumbing but villas, golf courses, rural properties etc might not.

by Liz Eagles 18.05.16 23:05

Ladyinred wrote:
aquila wrote:
I'll stick with a soakaway sewage system. It's the easiest and most fail-safe way to dispose of a body/body of evidence - and the beauty of a soakaway system is it goes undisturbed for donkey's years; it's not a septic tank in need of emptying
Would they have been checked during the police searches?

Sorry Ladyinred, our posts have co-incided.

I'd like to know what has been done to identify soakaway systems in and around PDL.

by MayMuse 18.05.16 23:09

aquila wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
aquila wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
aquila wrote:I'm not given to theories because none of the theories I've read have anything other than gaping holes in them.

Hiding a body in a coffin seems ridiculous to me - not impossible but nevertheless ridiculous imo.

If someone wanted to dispose of a body (or a blue bag for that matter) the easiest way is to find a soakaway sewage system. Such a system not only supports decomposition it thrives on it. There must be loads of soakaway systems in and around PDL. I had one of these systems myself when I lived in Greece and was advised to throw in any dead rats found in the garden to aid the breakdown process. A nice little hole with a nice metal cover/cap hidden in the garden flora.

Just my opinion.
Like lying cold,and mottled on a large grey stone slab?...Kate McCann from the book "madeleine"
Quoting Kate McCann's self promoting bewk means little if you consider the theory that it is to deflect from the truth. Of course, some people think it's brain leakage. I don't.

I'll stick with a soakaway sewage system. It's the easiest and most fail-safe way to dispose of a body/body of evidence - and the beauty of a soakaway system is it goes undisturbed for donkey's years; it's not a septic tank in need of emptying.

Just a thought.
I do think that some parts of the book should be added to her statements and clarified as it does not add up. The description when read actually made my blood run cold.
Don't know much about soak-a- ways but seems as good a "theory" as any & have read of that before a number of years ago. How big are they usually as I thought they were quite small? Certainly would mingle with any "stench" ... Just another thought...
There's no smell from a soakaway system that has a cap on it. My own system, a domestic system, had an inspection chamber (if I have that term correct) that was big enough to place a child's body in (writing that made me shudder). Add to this that such a system is generally surrounded by the natural scent of flora and there's just no smell.

I'd like to know if Scotland Yard and the PJ have looked at all the properties with soakaway systems in PDL and its environs. The properties such as OC probably have fixed plumbing but villas, golf courses, rural properties etc might not.

Thanks for the explanation, thought ...how would one know which properties or dwellings had that type of system? And as Ladyinred said I wonder if they were checked? All the bins weren't so probably not a possibility.

by Liz Eagles 18.05.16 23:24

Well for £12million I'd hope that Scotland Yard has probed this possibility. It wouldn't be too difficult for Portuguese police to use local knowledge/intelligence/building data to ascertain such info.

by **Nina** 18.05.16 23:26

Certainly any properties not directly on the coast will have had these systems and possibly even older properties on the coast will also have them.
It is an extremely efficient method of treating human waste and I am in agreement with aquila there is no smell at all.

by aiyoyo 19.05.16 6:12

aquila wrote:Quoting Kate McCann's self promoting bewk means little if you consider the theory that it is to deflect from the truth. Of course, some people think it's brain leakage. I don't.

I'll stick with a soakaway sewage system. It's the easiest and most fail-safe way to dispose of a body/body of evidence - and the beauty of a soakaway system is it goes undisturbed for donkey's years; it's not a septic tank in need of emptying.

Just a thought.

Kate's bewk is exhibit A. Quoting it isn't unpractical.
"lying cold,and mottled on a large grey stone slab" IMO is included to deflect something for sure.
A back fit if you like to some theory already out there. As in laid on a cold slab or cold sheet of metal (frozen), hence the fluid in the car.

There are plenty ways one can imagine where killer would dump body, why this?
Is it wild imagination or vivid memory?
Dumped in water, in wooded forest, burned, buried in shallow grave, or in extremity scenario, mutilated and disposed over a wide remote radius or even dissolved are immediate thoughts of normal people.

No one (apart from Kate apparently) would have imagine of mottled body lain on cold slab.
Leaking brian or back fitting...only she knows. But I won't discount anything as a possibility from lying kate.

Soak-away sewage is indeed safe proof way. If that method was used, no chance the body will be found.

by Realist 19.05.16 17:36

aiyoyo wrote:

Soak-away sewage is indeed safe proof way. If that method was used, no chance the body will be found.

I've always thought Madeleine's body was disposed of within a 2 mile radius of their apt. building. One can never discount the fact that Kate McCann would have familiarised herself with the local terrain during the course of her regular jogging ventures.

by BarryTheHatchet 19.05.16 22:13

MayMuse wrote:Like lying cold,and mottled on a large grey stone slab?...Kate McCann from the book "madeleine"

With her "perfect little genitals torn apart."
That is the product of a very sick mind indeed.

by sar 23.05.16 18:35

Evening all,

I was perplexed by "....negotiations to transfer the copyright of both the book and documentary."

Don't have a legal background so my knowledge is limited. Perhaps someone could explain?

Thank you,

Sar

From: CM Special: 'Maddie, The Mystery' 25.04.16.

Voice Over - In January 2015, the civil court, ended up condemning Gonçalo Amaral to pay to each one of the members of the McCann couple, Kate and Gerry, the amount of 250,000 euro. 250,000 euro plus interest, counting back from January 5 of 2010. Besides this payment, the civil court also decreed the prohibition of sales of new editions of the book and DVD, as well as the negotiations to transfer the copyright of both book and documentary. Gonçalo Amaral appealed, and there was a turnaround in this process.

by sar 25.05.16 18:50

sar wrote:Evening all,

I was perplexed by "....negotiations to transfer the copyright of both the book and documentary."

Don't have a legal background so my knowledge is limited. Perhaps someone could explain?

Thank you,

Sar

From: CM Special: 'Maddie, The Mystery' 25.04.16.

Voice Over - In January 2015, the civil court, ended up condemning Gonçalo Amaral to pay to each one of the members of the McCann couple, Kate and Gerry, the amount of 250,000 euro. 250,000 euro plus interest, counting back from January 5 of 2010. Besides this payment, the civil court also decreed the prohibition of sales of new editions of the book and DVD, as well as the negotiations to transfer the copyright of both book and documentary. Gonçalo Amaral appealed, and there was a turnaround in this process.

Sorry for bumping xx

by MayMuse 25.05.16 19:24

I was perplexed by "....negotiations to transfer the copyright of both the book and documentary."

Me too, who/why/what can transfer copyright?
Amaral wrote the book so surely it is his?

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