Re: "Investigate the cremated body thesis" Gonçalo Amaral calls for analysis and reconstruction.

by whatsupdoc 26.04.16 6:52

Estelle wrote:..."and access to medical records girl in the UK, which has never been allowed."

This is also important for the investigation to know about.

This alone is covering up facts.

The urn is surely "In plain site".

I've just read a post on MM by Wintabells which is new to me. Who has some footage of Kate entering / leaving the church being careful not to open the door too much?
I suppose you don't want a whoosh of wind and the door slamming shut at 5 in the morning? winkwink

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by MayMuse 26.04.16 6:53

Estelle wrote:..."and access to medical records girl in the UK, which has never been allowed."

This is also important for the investigation to know about.

Why would they not allow the medical records to be released to the Pj? This has always confused me and that financial information requested was blocked too?

This surely must have been a huge red flag to the Pj & their investigation as wasn't it the UK police who denied them these details? (Scratches head)

Perhaps it's time that SY started to play 'hardball' instead of dancing the 'mcanndango' IMO

by MayMuse 26.04.16 7:02

Not sure if true, but I did read ages ago that the 'urn' was supposedly a piggy bank?!
I do find the 'mantelpiece' display quite odd though. sad

by Guest 26.04.16 7:58

MayMuse wrote:Not sure if true, but I did read ages ago that the 'urn' was supposedly a piggy bank?!
I do find the 'mantelpiece' display quite odd though.

I think you are right.

I too remember a discussion and it was deemed a piggy bank.

by Guest 26.04.16 8:03

Similar to this:
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They are called ceramic money pots.

by Guest 26.04.16 8:05

Where's Walley?
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by Cheshire Cat 26.04.16 8:06

BlueBag wrote:
MayMuse wrote:Not sure if true, but I did read ages ago that the 'urn' was supposedly a piggy bank?!
I do find the 'mantelpiece' display quite odd though.
I think you are right.

I too remember a discussion and it was deemed a piggy bank.

I don't see how the ashes would be recoverable anyway - they would be a blend of Maddies and the elderly lady who died!

by Guest 26.04.16 8:13

Interesting decision to have a money pot as the centre-piece of their Madeleine shrine.

(For the sake of the forum monitors - I know... they probably made a thing about writing messages for Madeleine for when she returns).

by **Jill Havern** 26.04.16 8:26

BlueBag wrote:
MayMuse wrote:Not sure if true, but I did read ages ago that the 'urn' was supposedly a piggy bank?!
I do find the 'mantelpiece' display quite odd though.
I think you are right.

I too remember a discussion and it was deemed a piggy bank.

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by canada12 26.04.16 8:41

Perhaps the medical records were withheld because they'd show Madeleine didn't have a coloboma? Just a thought.

Additionally, I recall speculation that since she was an IVF child, perhaps Gerry wasn't the biological father.

by **Jill Havern** 26.04.16 8:49

canada12 wrote:Perhaps the medical records were withheld because they'd show Madeleine didn't have a coloboma? Just a thought.

Additionally, I recall speculation that since she was an IVF child, perhaps Gerry wasn't the biological father.

Madeleine looks like a McCann to me although I've always thought she looks more like John McCann than Gerry!

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by Guest 26.04.16 8:53

Yes.. that's a good comparison picture.

by whatsupdoc 26.04.16 8:57

canada12 wrote:Perhaps the medical records were withheld because they'd show Madeleine didn't have a coloboma? Just a thought.

Additionally, I recall speculation that since she was an IVF child, perhaps Gerry wasn't the biological father.

Withholding the medical records was a big red flag for me. Maybe the crux of the matter.

There have been some serious medical errors made in the past so who knows 100% ?

I couldn't see a slot in the urn so I didn't go with the money pot theory.
The heart on the black oval was odd.

by Guest 26.04.16 8:59

Withholding the credit card details was an even bigger red flag for me.

by whatsupdoc 26.04.16 9:05

BlueBag wrote:Withholding the credit card details was an even bigger red flag for me.

Yes. IMO I think it may have shown "awkward" payments and possibly tied in with the CATS file.

Otherwise, what was the problem?

by Portia 26.04.16 9:18

BlueBag wrote:Where's Walley?
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Sorry, the urn on the mantelpiece is different. It has a stop. The piggybanks don't. They probably open at the bottom with a plastic stop or something similar. The Urn's stop is sealed with a band or a piece of binding materiel, like you would do when you don't want the contents to escape. Like for instance when you seal the cap of your petrol can. And who would put a piggybank with the opening side to the wall? Displaying the drawing of a heart at the front, to any visitors?

by Cheshire Cat 26.04.16 9:31

Portia wrote:
BlueBag wrote:Where's Walley?
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Sorry, the urn on the mantelpiece is different. It has a stop. The piggybanks don't. They probably open at the bottom with a plastic stop or something similar. The Urn's stop is sealed with a band or a piece of binding materiel, like you would do when you don't want the contents to escape. Like for instance when you seal the cap of your petrol can. And who would put a piggybank with the opening side to the wall? Displaying the drawing of a heart at the front, to any visitors?

If the corpse of Madeleine was cremated with the lady then it would be impossible to separate Maddies ashes. I suspect once the cremation occurred then that would be the end of the story as far as being able to identify any trace of Madeleine. If GA has more evidence to support this theory then likely to be what the helpful Bishop of the Algarve gleaned when he spoke to the Catholic Priest and sent Mrs Hubbard into a spin.

by ROSA 26.04.16 9:44

Might be the reason the Mccanns don't seen phased about finding her body etc that it was inceinnerated in 2007 end ofstory no hope in finding a body blah blah

by canada12 26.04.16 9:44

Cheshire Cat wrote:If the corpse of Madeleine was cremated with the lady then it would be impossible to separate Maddies ashes. I suspect once the cremation occurred then that would be the end of the story as far as being able to identify any trace of Madeleine. If GA has more evidence to support this theory then likely to be what the helpful Bishop of the Algarve gleaned when he spoke to the Catholic Priest and sent Mrs Hubbard into a spin.

There might however be bone fragments or tooth fragments in the ashes and if there is sufficient technology to be able to determine if the bone or tooth fragments belonged to a child or an aged adult that would be significant.

I guess it would depend too on where the ashes ended up. Scattered? Or saved somewhere.

by Guest 26.04.16 9:56

Portia wrote:
BlueBag wrote:Where's Walley?
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Sorry, the urn on the mantelpiece is different. It has a stop. The piggybanks don't. They probably open at the bottom with a plastic stop or something similar. The Urn's stop is sealed with a band or a piece of binding materiel, like you would do when you don't want the contents to escape. Like for instance when you seal the cap of your petrol can. And who would put a piggybank with the opening side to the wall? Displaying the drawing of a heart at the front, to any visitors?

You're having a laugh.

I'll give you a clue.

It's the pink circles one with the hearts.

Big enough clue?

Yes that's different to the mantelpiece one which has black circles with hearts.

The "stop" is the same top with a ribbon or cord around it or some such.

Now can we stop this ern nonsense please - it makes us look silly.

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by whatsupdoc 26.04.16 10:19

Verdi wrote:
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Normal course of events following a cremation, the ashes are stored in an urne or scattered about somewhere significant to the deceased..

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This is the pot I and I think Portia were talking about. I don't know the pot you have in mind, BlueBag. Perhaps you have a picture of the exact one and not dozens of them as shown on your link?

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Please desist from your Pretendy Clarry Moderator tone when saying offensive material such as "Now can we stop this ern nonsense please - it makes us look silly."

by Guest 26.04.16 10:23

It's a terramundi pot.

Pure and simple.

And anyone with an once of sense can see it.

It has been previously discussed to death on this very forum.

Stories about erns are great ammunition for Clarries self admitted forum monitors.

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by whatsupdoc 26.04.16 10:32

The one you are showing BB is not on the McCann shelf and is different.

by Guest 26.04.16 10:41

whatsupdoc wrote:The one you are showing BB is not on the McCann shelf and is different.

No it isn't!!!!

by **Nina** 26.04.16 10:52

We have had urns for cremated pets and also my parents. Each one had a very large lid I presume to allow the cremains to be poured in easily.

by Claire25 26.04.16 10:57

It definitely looks like a money pot. There is a something hung round the neck which makes it look like the lid has a stopper but it is just the string IMO.

Probably what is more telling is that Madeleine's shrine consists of money and a train Sad

by MRNOODLES 26.04.16 11:12

Claire25 wrote:It definitely looks like a money pot. There is a something hung round the neck which makes it look like the lid has a stopper but it is just the string IMO.

Probably what is more telling is that Madeleine's shrine consists of money and a train

I think Hobs calls it brain leak or something like that. big grin

by Cheshire Cat 26.04.16 11:14

canada12 wrote:
Cheshire Cat wrote:If the corpse of Madeleine was cremated with the lady then it would be impossible to separate Maddies ashes. I suspect once the cremation occurred then that would be the end of the story as far as being able to identify any trace of Madeleine. If GA has more evidence to support this theory then likely to be what the helpful Bishop of the Algarve gleaned when he spoke to the Catholic Priest and sent Mrs Hubbard into a spin.

There might however be bone fragments or tooth fragments in the ashes and if there is sufficient technology to be able to determine if the bone or tooth fragments belonged to a child or an aged adult that would be significant.

I guess it would depend too on where the ashes ended up. Scattered? Or saved somewhere.

That is true. But I can't see the old lady's ashes ending up on the McCann's shelf! I am sure those McCann's are just playing games with everyone with that urn like container and 'shrine'. Discussing the urn/money box is not related in anyway to Amarals theory about cremation in the elderly lady's coffin imo,

by **Nina** 26.04.16 11:25

Cheshire Cat wrote:
canada12 wrote:
Cheshire Cat wrote:If the corpse of Madeleine was cremated with the lady then it would be impossible to separate Maddies ashes. I suspect once the cremation occurred then that would be the end of the story as far as being able to identify any trace of Madeleine. If GA has more evidence to support this theory then likely to be what the helpful Bishop of the Algarve gleaned when he spoke to the Catholic Priest and sent Mrs Hubbard into a spin.

There might however be bone fragments or tooth fragments in the ashes and if there is sufficient technology to be able to determine if the bone or tooth fragments belonged to a child or an aged adult that would be significant.

I guess it would depend too on where the ashes ended up. Scattered? Or saved somewhere.
That is true. But I can't see the old lady's ashes ending up on the McCann's shelf! I am sure those McCann's are just playing games with everyone with that urn like container and 'shrine'. Discussing the urn/money box is not related in anyway to Amarals theory about cremation in the elderly lady's coffin imo,

Just as an aside re the coffin. Coffins in Portugal and Spain are much larger than what we are used to seeing in the UK. Sorry I cannot post pictures.

by Estelle 26.04.16 18:11

I am interested in working out a timeline to see where the Scenic fits in to all this:

I will start it off.

Sun eve April 29 Death

Mon morn April 30 Body put in Fridge or Freezer in another apartment

Please add what you think happens next.

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