YES or NO? Did Dr David Payne visit Dr Kate McCann on the evening Madeleine was reported missing? - 20 CONTRADICTIONS which suggest that this visit never took place

PeterMac wrote:Very good piece of forensic analysis, if I may say so Tony.

When we then add that to the
Forged Last Photo
The deliberate whooshing away to the Paraiso for the first and last time of the entire Tapas Group - ALL of them
Kate being whooshed away for a run, and being made to go past the Tapas group on the beach - contrary to normal procedure
The Curious case of the spontaneously Healing Achilles Tendon, which kept Gerry away from the Tennis all afternoon, - but suddenly there and with several alleged alibis during the early evening
The fact that Kate cannot make up her mind whether she got Madeleine out of the creche, or met her in the Tapas bar with G, A, and S
The Curious Case of the Terminal Exhastion followng two hours of finger painting - or whatever

and some other things
we may begin to purport that the afternoon and evening of 3rd May 2007 was not EXACTLY as has been described by anyone

plebgate wrote:With so many contradictions, I do not believe the visit took place.

Gaggzy wrote:
If there's one thing they all must have agreed on, it was probably to talk so much bullturd and barefaced lies just to confuse and clutter everything with contradictions and nonsense.

Enid O'Dowd wrote:Needless to say this visit which is very significant in the scheme of things is not examined in the Summers and Swan book.

JohnyT wrote:Yes, errmmmmm no.........errmmmm yes............errmmmmm no...................

Naz_Nomad wrote:

JohnyT wrote:Yes, errmmmmm no.........errmmmm yes............errmmmmm no...................

Erm, yeah, you know, if you mean by "visit", did he, erm, actually, erm "visit" the apartment, well, that's a , sort of, you know, difficult one to answer, you see, because erm, well, a "visit" sort of, you know implies that one "visits" a place, but was it actually a "visit" or a "visit"?  I mean, you know, if we can answer that, I mean, well, it's kind of like, erm, answered the question really.  Yeah?

Marian wrote:Palm Tree - he was referring to the McCanns being made arguidos.

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Tony Bennett wrote:CONTRADICTION 1: When Dr Payne first mentioned this visit, he said it took place at 5.00pm. Later he changed this to 6.30pm.

CONTRADICTION 2: Dr Payne first of all said that both Gerry and Kate McCann were there when he visited the apartment. Later he changed this to saying it was just Kate. 

CONTRADICTION 3: Dr Payne said that his wife was not with him when he went to see Kate McCann. His wife, Fiona Payne, however, said she did go, got there first, and then her husband joined the two of them at 7.10pm.

CONTRADICTIONS 4 to 9: Why did this alleged visit take place? On various occasions, at least six different reasons have been given:

(1) just ‘for a visit’

(2) to help take Kate and the children down to the recreation area

(3) to ‘check on Kate’ (see if she was all right)

(4) because Kate ‘might need help in looking after all three children’

(5) 'To see if it was OK for Gerry to carry on playing tennis, and

(6) simply because Dr Payne ‘offered to go and see Kate’.

CONTRADICTION 10: Dr Payne says he walked in through the patio door without knocking. Kate McCann said she was in the shower and heard knocking.

CONTRADICTION 11: Dr Payne says Kate McCann was fully dressed. Kate McCann says she hurriedly put a towel around her and went to the door.

CONTRADICTION 12: Dr Payne says he walked in though the patio door. Kate McCann said he never entered, saying: 'he remained at the balcony door’.

CONTRADICTION 13: Dr Payne says we was in the apartment for at least ‘3 to 5 minutes'. Kate McCann says he remained on the balcony and she sent him away after no more than '30 seconds'.

CONTRADICTION 14: Dr Payne says he saw all three children. Kate doesn’t mention this.

CONTRADICTION 15: A newspaper story based on information supplied by ‘a source close to the McCanns’ claimed that Dr Payne ‘saw Kate putting the children to bed’. Neither Dr Payne nor Kate McCann mention this.

CONTRADICTION 16: In early statements, the McCanns said they took their children up to their apartment at 5.40pm, staying there until leaving for dinner at 8.30pm. But Dr Payne and Kate McCann say that Gerry McCann was not there at 6.30pm.

CONTRADICTION 17: Later, Gerry McCann changed his statement to say he was at the tennis courts at 6.30pm.

CONTRADICTION 18: The McCanns initially said that they had decided, as they went up to their apartment, that the children were too tired to stay and watch the tennis, so they would put them to bed, as they had had an exhausting day. Later the story was changed to say that they had decided no such thing and that Dr Payne had gone up to see if Kate McCann was going to bring the children down to watch the tennis match.

CONTRADICTION 19: Gerry McCann initially said that Dr Payne went up to see Kate McCann at about 6.30pm, and that he came back half-an-hour later at 7.00pm. Dr Payne said he only returned to the tennis court once, but Gerry McCann later changed his statement to say that Dr Payne had returned twice, once after seeing Kate, and then again after (allegedly) changing for tennis.  

CONTRADICTION 20: In a report by David James Smith in The Times on 16 December 2007, said to be the ‘fullest account yet’ of what happened on the day Madeleine disappeared, Smith said that Gerry McCann at 4.30pm was ‘too injured with an Achilles tendon injury at 4.30pm to carry on playing tennis’. Yet later he claimed he was playing tennis again in  a‘social tennis’ competition from 6.00pm to 7.00pm.

Hobs wrote:Kate tells us she was in a towel when payne visited after just having had a shower. later we are told she has a bath when gerry returns.

Why would she feel the need to have a shower and a bath?

Why would she need a bath after being visited by a man other than her husband??

Would this explain the discrepancy between her 30 secs and his 30 mins?

A minute or two discrepancy could be expected in a chat for several minutes.

Such a discrepancy is not remotely feasible  in a chat that lasted either 30 seconds or 30 minutes.