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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.09.14 21:49

Summers and Swan reply to criticisms of their book - and explain the David Payne/Kate McCann 6.30pm visit contradictions

One of the most unfair criticisms of our definitive book, ‘Looking for Madeleine’, is the complaint from the haters that we have not analysed all the so-called ‘contradictions’ and ‘changes of story’ of the Tapas 9 that seem to have multiplied in the
haters’ minds.

As we’ve said many times in our book, there are no significant inconsistencies - not one.   

To prove just how ludicrous the haters’ allegations of contradictions are, we will now tackle the spurious claims made by one of the most notorious haters, one Anthony Bennett. In one of his latest fabled ‘lists’, he sets out what he claims are 20 separate inconsistencies about a visit that was made by Dr David Payne’s visit to the McCanns’ apartment at around 6.30pm on the day Madeleine was reported missing.

It is claimed by some of the haters that we never mentioned all these so-called ‘contradictions’ in our book, let alone analyse them.

Well we DID mention this visit, actually, Mr Bennett, we DID.

True, we completely missed out this visit in giving a timeline of the day’s events on pp. 14 to 16. And, yes, we know that this is the last time anyone apart from the McCanns say they saw Madeleine alive. But we DID mention it - look at this passage on p. 16:

“David and Fiona Payne were the last to arrive - they always were. David, who had stopped by the McCanns’ apartment earlier, said as he sat down that Madeleine and the twins had ‘looked like perfect children…all clean in their pyjamas, having a story”.

So: ‘stopped by the McCanns’ apartment’. There, clear as day, in black and white. We covered it

So let us now examine the bogus claims about these so-called ‘contradictions’.

We will list the contradictions one by one, and give our answers below each, showing that these are just insignificant inconsistencies. And believe me, we are furious about the criticisms of our book, we are ANGRY, so our responses will be displayed thus in bright red!!!!

Here we go then:    

CONTRADICTION 1: When Dr Payne first mentioned this visit, he said it took place at 5.00pm. Later he changed this to 6.30pm.

There could be all sorts of reasons for this. No doubt the poor man was under stress when first questioned, what with his friend’s child having been abducted. How could he be expected to remember an exact time? And look how sloppy the police are these days. The officer wrote ‘5.00pm’ but Payne might’ve said ‘6.30pm’.  

CONTRADICTION 2: Dr Payne first of all said that both Gerry and Kate McCann were there when he visited the apartment. Later he changed this to saying it was just Kate.

See above. Does it really matter?  He said that Kate was there, which was correct. It’s completely irrelevant that Gerry might have been there as well.

CONTRADICTION 3:  Dr Payne said that his wife was not with him when he went to see Kate McCann. His wife, Fiona Payne, however, said she did go, got there first, and then her husband joined the two of them at 7.10pm.

Fiona probably made a mistake. Next so-called ‘contradiction’ please

CONTRADICTIONS 4 to 9: Why did this alleged visit take place? On various occasions, at least six different reasons have been given:

(1) just ‘for a visit’
(2) to help take Kate and the children down to the recreation area
(3) to ‘check on Kate’ (see if she was all right)
(4) because Kate ‘might need help in looking after all three children’
(5) 'To see if it was OK for Gerry to carry on playing tennis, and
(6) simply because Dr Payne ‘offered to go and see Kate’.

All these reasons are so similar that it’s beneath us to even dignify that list of alleged contradictions with an answer

CONTRADICTION 10: Dr Payne says he walked in through the patio door without knocking. Kate McCann said she was in the shower and heard knocking.

The ‘knocking’ sound could have been anything. Maybe a stray woodpecker. Or something wrong with the pipes to the shower, making a ‘knocking’ sound as the water flowed through the pipe

CONTRADICTION 11: Dr Payne says Kate McCann was fully dressed. Kate McCann says she hurriedly put a towel around her and went to the door.

Probably she got dressed very quickly and that’s what Payne is recalling he saw: Kate after she got dressed

CONTRADICTION 12: Dr Payne says he walked in though the patio door. Kate McCann said he never entered, saying: 'he remained at the balcony door’.

Maybe Kate didn’t actually see him walk in, perhaps she turned her head away when he walked in

CONTRADICTION 13: Dr Payne says we was in the apartment for at least ‘3 to 5 minutes'. Kate McCann says he remained on the balcony and she sent him away after no more than '30 seconds'.

People’s sense of time can vary so much, especially if they don’t check their watches

CONTRADICTION 14:  Dr Payne says he saw all three children. Kate doesn’t mention this.

So? She chooses not to mention this. Why should she? There is no inconsistency here at all

CONTRADICTION 15: A newspaper story based on information supplied by ‘a source close to the McCanns’ claimed that Dr Payne ‘saw Kate putting the children to bed’. Neither Dr Payne nor Kate McCann mention this.

For goodness sakes, don’t quote newspaper statements, whatever source they purport to come from

CONTRADICTION 16: In early statements, the McCanns said they took their children up to their apartment at 5.40pm, staying there until leaving for dinner at 8.30pm. But Dr Payne and Kate McCann say that Gerry McCann was not there at 6.30pm.

Probably he was in his bedroom quietly reading a book. Nothing to explain here. Move along please

CONTRADICTION 17: Later, Gerry McCann changed his statement to say he was at the tennis courts at 6.30pm.

What’s wrong with that? Maybe he just ‘remembered’ this detail later

CONTRADICTION 18: The McCanns initially said that they had decided, as they went up to their apartment, that the children were too tired to stay and watch the tennis, so they would put them to bed, as they had had an exhausting day. Later the story was changed to say that they had decided no such thing and that Dr Payne had gone up to see if Kate McCann was going to bring the children down to watch the tennis match.

Sounds like a simple misunderstanding to us. Next!

CONTRADICTION 19: Gerry McCann initially said that Dr Payne went up to see Kate McCann at about 6.30pm, and that he came back half-an-hour later at 7.00pm. Dr Payne said he only returned to the tennis court once, but Gerry McCann later changed his statement to say that Dr Payne had returned twice, once after seeing Kate, and then again after (allegedly) changing for tennis.

There is obviously a slight inconsistency in the two accounts, and that’s only to be expected as recollections often differ. There’s nothing significant here

CONTRADICTION 20: In a report by David James Smith in The Times on 16 December 2007, said to be the ‘fullest account yet’ of what happened on the day Madeleine disappeared, Smith said that Gerry McCann at 4.30pm was ‘too injured with an Achilles tendon injury at 4.30pm to carry on playing tennis’. Yet later he claimed he was playing tennis again in a ‘social tennis’ competition from 6.00pm to 7.00pm.

What did we say about newspaper reports earlier? You just can’t trust journalists. I expect David James Smith couldn’t read his notes properly.

Summers: Now that we’ve explained in full what at first sight appeared to be a mass of stark contradictions, now leave us alone, and don’t ask us any more questions.  Or we’ll ban you from our Facebook page

Swan: We already have, Anthony




[ Note: this is a spoof ]

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Post by Naz_Nomad on 24.09.14 21:56

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Post by sharonl on 24.09.14 22:17

spit coffee That's Classic!

If we tweet this people may start buying the book for light relief.

I wonder how the great detective authors would cope with being questioned on the set up of Alphaig Limited and the credibility of the other private defectives? I would just love to see their response to that.

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Post by The Rooster on 24.09.14 22:31

Are these two for real? They come across as very unprofessional. angry2

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Post by TMH on 24.09.14 22:33

Hmm so it's ok that mistakes were made in the statements then is it? Everyone is to blame for these mistakes except for the Tapas lot? Try telling that to the Police when crims give their statements "tsk".

And who cares if they ban people from their FB page? Who do they think they are? They're nobody as far as I'm concerned, just two bit "authors" who have written an untrue, rubbish book! But there you go JMO
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Post by TMH on 24.09.14 22:37

OOPS!! Just read the end of the OP saying it was a spoof!!! Please ignore my rant  big grin
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Post by sharonl on 24.09.14 22:52

@The Rooster wrote:Are these two for real? They come across as very unprofessional. angry2

Rooster

The opening post is a spoof, but yes you are right, they are very un-professional.

If we imagine that Summers and Swan are just a pair of everyday authors, then what they are doing is trying to make money from the plight of a 4yr old child with no thought of what effect their selfish actions may have on public perception and the ongoing investigation. 

If they are not just regular authors, what is their game?  They claim to be independent but how can they be?  How many books do we see advertised so greatly via the newspapers, the television and that comic called the SUN who promised to serialise it?  They had meetings with the McCann team and are heavily supported by the most notorious of McCann trolls on Twitter.

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Post by The Rooster on 24.09.14 22:59

I missed the footnote re the spoof, however, it sort of puts the quality of their investigative journalism into a stark reality. laugh

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Post by Tangled Web on 24.09.14 23:02

See, it's all very innocent, what's all the fuss about? big grin

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Post by Brian Griffin on 25.09.14 0:47

big grin

Love the fact some of you missed the last line and went off on one!

BUT...

We have an interesting lesson here too. We all know Tony Bennett, his standing, his standpoint and trust his judgement. So whatever he posts, people are apt to believe it.

Now what does that remind you of?...

Hmm. I can't quite think...

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Post by Guest on 25.09.14 1:03

Absolutely brilliantly done, Tony!
You have made these responses to the contradictions sound totally as if they came from their pen/mouth.
My blood was still simmering from having listened to the Pat Kenny "interview", and it was boiling by the time I reached Contradiction 20 . . . then I read that it was a spoof, and I just stood up and applauded you for creating such an authentic post!
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Post by plebgate on 25.09.14 9:35

I did write a response but when I clicked send there was a note saying server down.

will try again though.

Ha ha Tony, very naughty getting some of us spitting feathers at such a "feeble" response to questions.   big grin

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Post by whatsupdoc on 26.09.14 12:07

Excellent , Tony. I enjoyed reading through the outlandish excuses... big grin
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Post by Tony Bennett on 26.09.14 12:31

@whatsupdoc wrote:Excellent, Tony. I enjoyed reading through the outlandish excuses... big grin
Thanks.

I am hoping that neither Summers nor Swan suffer from catagelophobia

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Post by HelenMeg on 26.09.14 12:38

@whatsupdoc wrote:Excellent , Tony. I enjoyed reading through the outlandish excuses... big grin
Yes enjoyed that on this dull Friday morning. Thanks!

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Post by whatsupdoc on 26.09.14 17:01

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@whatsupdoc wrote:Excellent, Tony. I enjoyed reading through the outlandish excuses... big grin
Thanks.

I am hoping that neither Summers nor Swan suffer from catagelophobia


They must be pretty thick-skinned or just write and duck! lol big grin

I had to wiki this as I knew it wasn't a fear of cats... big grin

http://www.phobiasource.com/catagelophobia-fear-of-being-ridiculed/
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Post by Angelique on 26.09.14 17:41

Thanks for making me laugh too!

Yes, dismissive answers to probing questions.

They have a familiar style though, don't they?



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Post by Brian Griffin on 27.09.14 2:27

@whatsupdoc wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@whatsupdoc wrote:Excellent, Tony. I enjoyed reading through the outlandish excuses... big grin
Thanks.

I am hoping that neither Summers nor Swan suffer from catagelophobia


They must be pretty thick-skinned or just write and duck!  lol   big grin

I had to wiki this as I knew it wasn't a fear of cats... big grin

http://www.phobiasource.com/catagelophobia-fear-of-being-ridiculed/
It's one to keep under your hat and trot out when you're facing Ugly Fat Mark on 'The Chase' and you can put him down for not knowing it!

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Post by .Guest.. on 27.09.14 6:23

That did make me laugh. Along with most of you I was fit to be tied at the sheer arrogance of S & S replies till I read the last line. Gotcha springs to mind.
 However it highlights a point that I`d like to bring up about how,after  reading all the inconsistencies in the fable of MBM`s disappearance, the sundry tangents we end up going off at in order to study back stories and the frustration we feel at not being able to quite put our collective finger on how or why things happened, I have found myself feeling depressed and full of gloom. This has been noted by my other half and he has ordered me to limit the amount of time I spend reading the subject matter. He has long since given up listening to my "what ifs" and "do you thinks". It`s not that he believes the parents, it`s more that he doesn`t feel the same need to get answers as I do. Would that I was more like him.
How do the rest of you find a balance between searching for the truth and getting on with your own lives? I have only been researching this case for a few weeks (I wasn`t a lurker but registered pretty soon after finding this site) and I had very little knowledge of what went on as I live abroad and don`t buy UK papers so was only scantily versed on the situation. Now I am hooked. I admire the work that has been done by so many of you. You are truly dedicated. It must be wearing to listen to the supporters who cannot give comprehensive answers to straight questions when all you are looking for is justice for MBM.
Karma is a wonderful thing. She knows who to look for and never ever gets it wrong, so have faith that she will visit a certain village in Leicestershire at a date to be decided by her. I just hope it is soon.

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Post by whatsupdoc on 27.09.14 8:53

@Brian Griffin wrote:
It's one to keep under your hat and trot out when you're facing Ugly Fat Mark on 'The Chase' and you can put him down for not knowing it!

The Chase is one of the few progs I watch on TV.   smilie
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Post by Brian Griffin on 27.09.14 22:40

Yeah, it's the best quiz out - lots of questions with a minimum farting about with time-consuming gimmicks like on that thing where they are sitting in chairs or messing with those two-penny machine things you get at amusement arcades. I still like to see a Chaser get whopped, especially Mark because he's so arrogant, and such a genuinely bad sport if he's beaten. He should be on Eggheads!

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Post by Guest on 28.09.14 10:02

anon357 wrote:
How do the rest of you find a balance between searching for the truth and getting on with your own lives? I have only been researching this case for a few weeks (I wasn`t a lurker but registered pretty soon after finding this site) and I had very little knowledge of what went on as I live abroad and don`t buy UK papers so was only scantily versed on the situation. Now I am hooked. I admire the work that has been done by so many of you. You are truly dedicated. It must be wearing to listen to the supporters who cannot give comprehensive answers to straight questions when all you are looking for is justice for MBM.

Hi anon, it gets better with time, in my experience. When I was at my most immersed in the case it was very unsettling, particularly the vivid dreams that I had. You get more sanguine about it as time goes on, and I'm sure those who have been involved with the case a lot longer than me have reached a point where they can keep it in perspective while remaining no less determined to see it resolved.

It is a bit like entering a parallel universe though - there is some quote about scales falling from your eyes which I'm sure is relevant. Prepare for never being able to look at the mainstream media in the same light ever again.
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Post by Woofer on 28.09.14 10:13

I`m so naive sometimes .....  I was half believing the spoof ....  until the bit about the woodpecker  laughat
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Post by Tony Bennett on 28.09.14 10:16

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
It is a bit like entering a parallel universe though - there is some quote about scales falling from your eyes which I'm sure is relevant. Prepare for never being able to look at the mainstream media in the same light ever again.
Yes, I think it's very relevant, Clay.

The original reference to 'scales falling from eyes' is a reference to Saul of Tarsus 'being blinded by light' - as Jesus Christ appeared to him on the road to Damascus.

After that, as the record shows, he became Paul the Apostle, and wrote most of the New Testament.

Here is the reference in the Acts of the Apostles:

QUOTE Acts 9 vv 17-19

So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus..."

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As Saul of Tarsus, he had railed and campaigned against Christians - the early believers - who had abandoned Judaism and followed Christ. He could indeed, with fairness, be called a 'hater' of Christians, standing by in attendance as Stephen, the first Christian martyr, was stoned to death by fellow-Jews. 

Paul later conceded that he had been 'blind to the truth'.

In much the same way, there are those - many on this very forum - who would now say that they were blinded by years of mainstream media coverage of this case, but one way or another, had their eyes opened, with 'something like scales falling from their eyes'...

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Post by Tony Bennett on 28.09.14 10:18

@Woofer wrote:I'm so naive sometimes...I was half believing the spoof....until the bit about the woodpecker  laughat
@ Woofer

I'm truly amazed that so many people carried on regardless after the 'woodpecker' bit

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