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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.12.15 21:57

1. London Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime

Dear Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime, 

re: Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case) 

1. Please list all occasions, giving dates, when the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime and its Committee has considered verbal or written reports from the Metropolitan Police about the work of Operation Grange, giving particulars of any reports and/or minutes of such meetings.  

2. Specify the number of representations received since 12 May 2011 by members of the public or others which have raised queries about the remit or conduct of Operation Grange. 

Yours faithfully, 

Anthony Bennett

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2. Home Office 

Dear Home Office, 

re: Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case) 

Please list all dates when either the Home Secretary, other Home Office Ministers or their civil servants did any of the following:

1. Receive verbal or written reports from the Metropolitan Police about the progress of Operation Grange

2. Made decisions to authorise further expenditure of any kind

3. Approved decisions to increase or decrease the number of staff deployed by Operation Grange

4. Met with either Dr Gerald or Dr Kate McCann or any representatives of theirs, and

5. Met with any other individual, agency or organisation from the U.K. or Portugal to discuss any aspect of the remit or conduct of Operatiom Grange.
  
Yours faithfully, 

Anthony Bennett

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3. Metropolitan Police Service

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), 

re: Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case) 

Please provide the following information: 

1. On what I.T. system, whether Holmes, ANCAPA or otherwise, is the work of Operation Grange recorded?

2.  Dates of all occasions when the Senior Investigating Officer, or other responsible officer, has (a) reconsidered the remit of Operation Grange (b) made a recordable policy decision or (c) given reconsideration to the necessary or appropriate lines of enquiry for Operation Grange to follow.

Yours faithfully, 

Anthony Bennett

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.12.15 16:09

First reply:


Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

14 December 2015 

   
Dear Mr. Bennett

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2015120000612

I write in connection with your request for information which was received
by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 12/12/2015.  I note you seek
access to the following information:

"re: Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case)

   
Please provide the following information:
   
1. On what I.T. system, whether Holmes, ANCAPA or otherwise, is the work
of Operation Grange recorded?
   
2. Dates of all occasions when the Senior Investigating Officer, or other
responsible officer, has (a) reconsidered the remit of Operation Grange
(b) made a recordable policy decision or (c) given reconsideration to the
necessary or appropriate lines of enquiry for Operation Grange to follow."


Your request will now be allocated to the relevant unit within the MPS and
will be processed in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000
(the Act).  

You will receive your response directly from the relevant unit within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act.  

In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to achieve this deadline.  If
this is likely you will be informed and given a revised time-scale at the
earliest opportunity.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet, which details your right of
complaint.

If you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please contact
us at [
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reference number above.  Should your enquiry relate to the logging or
allocations process we will be able to assist you directly and where your
enquiry relates to other matters (such as the status of the request) we
will be able to pass on a message and/or advise you of the relevant
contact details.

Yours sincerely

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by BlueBag on 15.12.15 8:30

I think you'll get fobbed off Tony.

They won't give details of an ongoing investigation.

When this is dead in the water I think they will have to answer.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 15.12.15 9:53

@BlueBag wrote:I think you'll get fobbed off Tony.

They won't give details of an ongoing investigation.
You couldn't be more wrong.

They have given us multiple details for four years:

* Innumerable 'suspects' and 'persons of interest'
* A dozen people publicly named who were summoned to give interviews under caution
* The lead suspect, 'Tannerman', revealed to be a bloke supposedly carrying his daughter home from a night crèche without a buggy and clad only in pyjamas
* Detailed statistics about numbers of leads, lines of enquiry, suspects, persons of interest, sex offenders to be investigated, documents to be studied, mobile 'phone to be checked etc. etc.
* Moving the timeline for the abduction from 9.10 to 9.15pm to 9.10 to 10.00pm, allowing 'more time for the abduction'
* Numerous press conferences and statements about burglaries and incidences of sexual assault along the Algarve
* Stories promoted about 'smelly bin ban', 'tractor man', 'the soothing couple' etc.
* A bogus reconstruction on BBC Crimewatch
* Two different e-fits of a suspect which had gathered dust for five-and-a-half years 
* Details of rogatory request
* News of visits to Portugal by senior Crown Prosecution Officers...

...and so on...            
  
Has there ever been a criminal investigation with so much information given out?

Or was it all misinformation? 

Given the huge international coverage of this case, and the amount of public money spent on its investigation, I think this question of mine is reasonable:

2.  Dates of all occasions when the Senior Investigating Officer, or other responsible officer, has (a) reconsidered the remit of Operation Grange (b) made a recordable policy decision or (c) given reconsideration to the necessary or appropriate lines of enquiry for Operation Grange to follow.    

What is so secret that they can't reply saying:

"The remit was considered on the following x occasions and the remit has not been changed: " and

"Recordable policy decisions were made on the following dates: " and 

"Necessary or appropriate lines of enquiry were reconsidered by the S.I.O. on the following dates: "?

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by BlueBag on 15.12.15 10:52

What I mean is as an excuse not to give YOU information via FOI request.

I'm sure you will get fobbed off.

Worth trying though.
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Post by aquila on 15.12.15 11:02

I wonder exactly how many FOI's have been submitted regarding Operation Grange. Sonia Poulton said she was awaiting the outcome of a FOI before publishing her documentary although she didn't claim to have made it herself.

Tony might be slated for sticking in FOI's and I don't think his FOI's are unreasonable. Tony isn't the only one on this forum and others who stick in FOI's. The UK Press stick in FOI's all the time about anything they want to know on any subject and feel they have a legal right to know under current legislation.

So come on folks, how many FOI's have been submitted regarding Operation Grange? Is there a way of knowing? It's not important who made them, just the number made.
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Post by Doug D on 15.12.15 11:23

Aquila:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com
 
Using “Operation Grange” (without inverted commas brings up 4k odd) and no date limitation as the search it pulls up 19 requests, but this is only the on-line ones. Tony is responsible for 11 of these. I don’t know of any way to search for other requests not in this system, although the Met’s weekly disclosures report on all their requests, but not searchable as such. Searches under McCann and other key words would no doubt pull up more. 
 
19 FOI requests found
 
Met Police actions in Operation Grange
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Anthony Bennett on 14 December 2015.
Awaiting response.
Dear Mr. Bennett Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2015120000612 I write in connection with your request for information which was recei...
 
Home Office reviews and monitoring of Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case)
Request sent to Home Office by Anthony Bennett on 12 December 2015.
Awaiting classification.
re: Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case) Please list all dates when either the Home Secretary, other Home Office Ministers or their civil ser...
 
Reviews of Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case)
Request sent to Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime by Anthony Bennett on 12 December 2015.
Awaiting response.
re: Operation Grange (Madeleine McCann case) 1. Please list all occasions, giving dates, when the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime and its Co...
 
Up-to-date information about the Madeleine McCann investigation
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Anthony Bennett on 1 December 2015.
Awaiting response.
Dear Mr. Bennett Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2015110001462 I write in connection with your request for information which was recei...
 
Remit and cost of Operation Grange
Response by Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime to Kevin Armstrong on 1 September 2015.
Information not held.
Dear Mr Armstrong Thank you for your request for information which the Mayor’s Office for Policing And Crime (MOPAC) received on 20 August. Your reque...
 
Information about Scotland Yard's handling of a dossier of internet tweets
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Anthony Bennett on 12 November 2014.
Refused.
Dear Mr Bennett, Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2014100000859 I respond in connection with your request for information which was re...
 
This request is about factual matters relating to a report prepared by Jim Gamble, former boss of CEOP, about the Madeleine McCann case
Response by Home Office to Anthony Bennett on 6 November 2014.
Awaiting classification.
Mr Bennett,   Find attached response to your recent request for an internal review.   Regards,   Silo Monekosso   Information Access Te...
 
Please can you provide the following information, regarding the recent police operation in Praia da Luz, Portugal, relating to Madeleine McCann?
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Mike Stapes on 31 October 2014.
Awaiting classification.
Dear Mr Stapes Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2014060001342 I respond in connection with your request for information which was rece...
 
Information about meetings with authors Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Anthony Bennett on 15 October 2014.
Partially successful.
  Dear Mr Bennett,   Freedom of Information Request Reference No:  2014090001604   I respond in connection with your request for information which...
 
Decisions to approve historic UK police investigations and authorise funding
Response by Home Office to S Rhosier on 22 September 2014.
Long overdue.
Please find attached response to your FOI request.     Home Office 2 Marsham Street, London, SW1P 4DF [1]www.gov.uk/home-office    ...
 
Questions about two e-fits of a suspect issued by Operation Grange
Request sent to Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) by Anthony Bennett on 19 September 2014.
Refused.
Questions about two e-fits of a suspect issued by Operation Grange On 14 October 2013, on a special edition of BBC's Crimewatch programme seen by...
 
Disciplinary Enquiry Constable James Patrick
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Alan Wright on 8 July 2014.
Refused.
Dear Mr. Wright Freedom of Information Review Reference No: 2014060001225 I write in connection with your correspondence dated 10th June 2014 requ...
 
Information about the cost of searches for madeleine McCann in Portugal
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Anthony Bennett on 11 June 2014.
Refused.
Dear Mr Bennett Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2014050002606 I respond in connection with your request for information which was rec...
 
These questions relate to the contacts between staff of Operation Grange and the makers of the BBC Crimewatch Special on Madeleine McCann on 14 October 2013
Follow up sent to Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) by Anthony Bennett on 30 May 2014.
Refused.
Will you please let me have a response as soon as possible to my Freedom of Information Act request about contacts between staff of Operation Grange...
 
Please supply information as to how Operation Grange is being monitored
Response by Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime to Anthony Bennett on 30 January 2014.
Long overdue.
Dear Mr Bennett Thank-you for your email dated 3 January 2014 to the Mayor's Office for Policing And Crime (MOPAC) with a Freedom of Information reque...
 
FOI requests received/overdue
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to David Myles on 28 January 2014.
Successful.
Dear Mr Myles, Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2014010001197 I write in connection with your request for information which was receive...
 
High Profile Reports September 2013
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Tony Davison on 9 October 2013.
Partially successful.
Dear Mr Davison Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013090002564 I write in connection with your request for information which was receiv...
 
High risk requests register
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Emlyn Welsh on 28 March 2013.
Long overdue.
Dear Mr Welsh Freedom of Information Request Reference No:  2013020000764 I write in connection with your request for information  which was recei...
 
The abduction of Madeleine McCann
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Angelo Gonzales on 9 March 2012.
Information not held.
Dear Mr Gonzales Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2012030000010 I respond in connection with your redefined request for information dat...
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Post by aquila on 15.12.15 12:05

Doug D wrote:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com
 
Using “Operation Grange” (without inverted commas brings up 4k odd) and no date limitation as the search it pulls up 19 requests, but this is only the on-line ones. Tony is responsible for 11 of these. I don’t know of any way to search for other requests not in this system, although the Met’s weekly disclosures report on all their requests, but not searchable as such. Searches under McCann and other key words would no doubt pull up more.

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That's interesting Doug D.

Perhaps someone media and techno savvy could enlighten us as to the '4k odd' and how to establish just how many FOI requests have been submitted.
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Post by hogwash on 15.12.15 12:12

Perhaps Tony could submit a new FOI asking how many FOI they've received regarding the Madeleine McCann investigation. It would show how much interest there is in the case.
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Post by Doug D on 15.12.15 12:20

Sorry didn't make it clear. The '4k' odd includes anything that matches either word so vast majority are nothing to do with OG.
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Post by aquila on 15.12.15 12:25

@Doug D wrote:Sorry didn't make it clear. The '4k' odd includes anything that matches either word so vast majority are nothing to do with OG.
Would you expand on that Doug D for the technically challenged (myself and no doubt a few others on the forum).

Let's get down to how many FOI's have been submitted re Operation Grange.
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Post by Doug D on 15.12.15 13:37

Without the inverted commas pulling the two words together in a search, it would look for either word in isolation, so every query into any police 'operation' would get included as would, say, an address that included 'grange' in it.

I think the only way we will get to a proper figure would be to actually ask in a FoI as suggested by hogwash above.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.12.15 8:57

Holding reply received to my FoIAct request to the Home Office:

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From: FOI Requests
Home Office

15 December 2015


Mr Bennett

Thank you for contacting the Home Office with your request.

This has been assigned to a caseworker (case ref 37871).

We will aim to send you a full response by 15/01/2016 which is twenty working days from the date we received your request.

If you have any questions then please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thank you,

J Douglas
FOI Requests
Home Office

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.02.16 8:08

My request to the Home Office (see OP), for informaion about Operation Grange, submitted on 12 December, has still not been answered over two months later. So they are well out of time.

So I've sent them this:

"I am very concerned that it is now 2 months and 1 day since I made my FOI Act requests, so the Home Office is around 28 days late in answering my request. I do not wish to refer this to the Information Commissioner but may have to if I don't get a reply in the next few days. I want an internal review".

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

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