Re: Textusa releases new statement (6 Nov 2015) on 'The Last Photo' - says it is a photoshopped composite of THREE different photographs, two of which were taken on Friday 18 May 2007

by Pheasantplucker 13.11.15 20:22

I believe this clarification goes way back before you had any worries. Why on the original topic created by Stella, before as you was a subject of bounding was your home and mobile numbers given, but no email. So how did Edmonds reply? Sorry for being like a pain

by Pheasantplucker 13.11.15 20:26

Tony Bennett wrote:
Pheasantplucker wrote:If I recall from browsing forums, your email was never once before quoted. I may come across as confrontational but tonight is the first time you have placed that email in my opinion
Actually, you're right about that. When I occasionally post copies here of letters I have written, I invariably do leave out details like my personal landline, my personal e-mail address and my personal mobile 'phone number.

You see, it minimises the risk of malicious nutters like Andrew from candyfloss's forum ringing me up with death threats at 5.34am.

But now everyone has them, just to satisfy your idle curiosity.

I would have thought "Thank you Tony for clarifying that" would have been nice. But then you don't sound like a very nice person.

So why before any forum problems did you omit your email but not your phone numbers?
It's an important question why you didn't feel fit to give Edmonds your email but he managed to reply by email did you ever wonder how and why ?

by Pheasantplucker 13.11.15 20:28

Sorry tablet talk and fat fingers

by Pheasantplucker 13.11.15 20:47

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Took me ages to find. OP was Stella if I recall

And the thread has been heavily altered in my opinion

by **Jill Havern** 13.11.15 20:50

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Took me ages to find. OP was Stella if I recall

What's your point? That thread is a sticky in 'The Most Important Areas of Research' section.

by Pheasantplucker 13.11.15 20:53

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
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Took me ages to find. OP was Stella if I recall
What's your point? That thread is a sticky in 'The Most Important Areas of Research' section.

Hang on a minute please. The thread has been heavily edited on a very important matter. I can't explain it can I.

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by **Tony Bennett** 13.11.15 20:55

Pheasantplucker wrote:

MESSAGE 1
I believe this clarification goes way back before you had any worries. Why on the original topic created by Stella, before as you was a subject of bounding was your home and mobile numbers given, but no email. So how did Edmonds reply? Sorry for being like a pain

MESSAGE 2
So why before any forum problems did you omit your email but not your phone numbers?
It's an important question why you didn't feel fit to give Edmonds your email but he managed to reply by email did you ever wonder how and why?

MESSAGE 3
Sorry tablet talk and fat fingers

MESSAGE 4
Took me ages to find. OP was Stella if I recall

MESSAGE 5
And the thread has been heavily altered in my opinion

I have given you a 100% true answer by faithfully reproducing exactly the letterhead I used on 22 July 2011 when writing to Mr Edmonds.

I have explained that I put my e-mail address in my letter, thereby providing him an opportunity to reply by e-mail if he wished to do so - and which he did.

I have been asked to reproduce this letter many times by people with unduly suspicious minds and while I can't remember exactly, I'm sure that on some of those occasions I have redacted either my email, or e-mail and 'phone numbers, or quite possibly the whole address.

If you do not accept this as a wholly truthful, honest and complete answer, I'm sorry but I can't help you any further.

P.S. And no, the thread has not been 'heavily altered' as you suggest

by willowthewisp 14.11.15 11:49

Philip Edmonds states he handed copies of the photograph he had in his possession to the UK Police, McCann family as per the Madeleine McCann site, so if the family have this photograph(s)from Mr. Edmonds, this may verify certain aspects of the case?

by j.rob 14.11.15 16:11

Tony Bennett wrote:
Pheasantplucker wrote:If I recall from browsing forums, your email was never once before quoted. I may come across as confrontational but tonight is the first time you have placed that email in my opinion
Actually, you're right about that. When I occasionally post copies here of letters I have written, I invariably do leave out details like my personal landline, my personal e-mail address and my personal mobile 'phone number.

You see, it minimises the risk of malicious nutters like Andrew from candyfloss's forum ringing me up with death threats at 5.34am.

But now everyone has them, just to satisfy your idle curiosity.

I would have thought "Thank you Tony for clarifying that" would have been nice. But then you don't sound like a very nice person.

This concerns me. Why write this on a public forum? If it is true that a person - any person - did this it is a matter for the police. In any event, a person is assumed innocent unless proven guilty so I think it is extremely unwise to make comments like this on a public forum.

I also find the last sentence unnecessary especially given the rude insults that have been slung around on here - some aimed at me - which have been unchallenged.

by Guest 14.11.15 16:27

Special attack TB day?

Back on topic, please. Mod.

by cbeagle 16.11.15 4:40

Just to add to the bougainvillea flower issue, this picture of Madeleine shows a bougainvillea against a wall that is not in flower.
It looks like the first (arrival) day, but not sure if it's the same tree, stone wall and white wall as the "last photo".

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by Guest 16.11.15 7:18

cbeagle wrote:Just to add to the bougainvillea flower issue, this picture of Madeleine shows a bougainvillea against a wall that is not in flower.
It looks like the first (arrival) day, but not sure if it's the same tree, stone wall and white wall as the "last photo".

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(also here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/photos-e6frewxi-1111120336321?page=9 )

What is that in the background?

Can you prove it is a bougainvillea?

It's a stem of something anyway, have you looked where bougainvillea actually flower?

by j.rob 16.11.15 10:36

What is that in the background?

Can you prove it is a bougainvillea?

It's a stem of something anyway, have you looked where bougainvillea actually flower?

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What do you think?

by joyce1938 16.11.15 10:38

Some time ago I read a bit about the time bug. flowers and it seemed that there had to be certain conditions just before it would begin to flower. Is anyone able to look into this as I keep recalling it but don't know how to do so. The people that said it I think lived in that region and would notice it each year. joyce1938

by j.rob 16.11.15 10:54

cbeagle wrote:Just to add to the bougainvillea flower issue, this picture of Madeleine shows a bougainvillea against a wall that is not in flower.
It looks like the first (arrival) day, but not sure if it's the same tree, stone wall and white wall as the "last photo".

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There would be a great many people from that week who would know whether the bougainvillea around this part of the pool complex had been in full flower, partial flower or not flowering at all (the latter I suspect given the cool weather) during the course of the week.

If the bougainvillea had been in full flower, as depicted in the last photo, then it would have been quite a spectacular sight and I would imagine at least some holiday-makers would have wanted to photograph it. Or at least provide it as a backdrop to their photos or filming.

The Ocean Club gardeners and grounds-men would have been aware of when the bougainvillea flowered and when it flowered that particular year. They have to tend the grounds and would be aware of what flowers when and if one particular year is different to the rest.

Given that the weather was poor that week (Kate claims in her book it was so cold in the evenings that she needed five layers of clothing to feel comfortable while in the tapas in the evenings) and also windy, if the bougainvillea had been in full flower the flowers and leaves would have been blown off from their stems and strewn around the gardens and into the swimming pool.

Resort swimming pools - even if it is out of season and they are rarely used as too cold - need to be kept clean and free of debris otherwise the resort looks unkempt and scruffy. So it would be the job of the Ocean Club swimming pool cleaners/swimming pool staff to keep the pool clean and free of leaves, flowers and other debris blown in from the gardens. If interviewed at around this time or a few weeks later they would remember whether they had had to work extra hard to keep the pools clean from debris. Rain, in particular (Kate says in her book it rained on Wednesday) tends to bring leaves and other debris into pools and cloudy the water making everything look messy and uninviting. Not to mention bugs, insects and other small animals that end up in swimming pools.

Other staff like Ocean Club nannies/sports instructors, even restaurant and bar staff, might well have remembered details like this and may also even have photos. No doubt some of the staff would have larked around in the resort complex/gardens after hours having a quick fag or drink after a long session serving in the bar or restaurant.

It really should be quite easy to verify whether the bougainvillea around the pool was in full bloom when that last photo was allegedly taken at lunchtime on Thursday 3rd May 2007.

by Guest 16.11.15 10:56

joyce1938 wrote:so me time ago ,I read a bit about the time bug. fowers and it seemed that there had to be certain conditions just before it would begin to flower ,is anyone able to look into this , as I keep recalling it but don't know how to do so . The people that said it I think lived in that region and would notice it each year. joyce1938

They are pictures linked in this thread of someones bougainvillea in PDL taken in April 2007... well flowered.

by Guest 16.11.15 11:02

PDL - April 14th 2007
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by Guest 16.11.15 12:27

Bougainvillea is a hardy perennial vine. To maintain healthy growth and encourage maximum blossom, it is usually pruned very early spring (beginning of March). Depending on the customary climate for the region, the colourful bracts will start to appear later in the spring, normally April/May and continue to blossom until the end of any one year. For the bracts to flourish the vine needs to be planted in full sunshine, it doesn't require much watering but thrives on impoverished soil. Regard..

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[Bootiful innit? The purpley bits are the bracts and the little white things in the middle are the flowers]

As the bracts die off, they become brownish and papery, this is the most likely stage they will drop or be blown from the vine to make way for the blossoming of new bracts. This process is ongoing throughout the season. Between spring and late December there is no mass moulting that would result in a bare vine - unless of course the gardener goes at it with a machete. There can easily be bald areas of a vine, especially if sheltered from the sun.

Rather like having fairies at the bottom of the garden, once you get used to seeing them on a regular basis you tend to take them for granted, therefore are less likely to notice. The chances of staff being able to give an accurate account of the shrubbery at any time of year I think extremely remote. As for the staff using the complex facilities for relaxation out of hours, first I've ever heard of that being permitted.

What's next on the agenda - the missing arm that isn't or the missing shadow that isn't?

by cbeagle 18.11.15 5:32

BlueBag wrote:
cbeagle wrote:Just to add to the bougainvillea flower issue, this picture of Madeleine shows a bougainvillea against a wall that is not in flower.
It looks like the first (arrival) day, but not sure if it's the same tree, stone wall and white wall as the "last photo".

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What is that in the background?

Can you prove it is a bougainvillea?

It's a stem of something anyway, have you looked where bougainvillea actually flower?

I just found it interesting how bare the wall appeared in that picture compared to the last photo. It seems the picture in the PJ files is wider:

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and though it's terrible quality there does seem to be a lot of white showing on the left hand side (as we view it).

Maybe it's just a different section of the wall, just another piece of the puzzle.

by joyce1938 18.11.15 10:46

I just have this niggle at back of my mind, and can't be certain of in which order it works. I used to be online with some Portuguese ladies that knew exactly how it worked. It seems the weather pattern needs to be a certain way, like for ex. needs to be cool and wet, but suddenly it change a lot in temperatures and that's when they are forced into flower. Forgive me if it's other way round. Just maybe someone who is native to the area could let us know. I think it could be quite important and why it's hard to understand bare wall in some areas and flowers elsewhere? joyce1938

by Joss 18.11.15 11:06

joyce1938 wrote:I just have this niggle at back of my mind ,and cant be certain of in wich order it works . I used to be online with some Portuguese ladies that knew exactly how it worked .. It seems the weather pattern needs to be a certain way ,like for ex. needs to be cool and wet ,but suddenly it change a lot in temperatures and That's when they are forced into flower. forgie me if its other way round . Just maybe someone who is native to the area could let us know ,I think it could be quite important and why its hard to understand bare wall in some areas and flowers elsewhere? joyce1938

Bougainvillea only flower well on new growth so pruning is essential at some point. Here on the Algarve hard pruning can be undertaken at the end of January or during February – any shaping or hard pruning needed should be done before growth starts in early spring. They will not tolerate wet roots in winter and although preferring rich loamy, well-drained soils they are very tolerant and adapt to many soil types. Light feeding and some water through the summer will be of benefit. The bougainvilleas are salt tolerant but do need full sun for best displays. Watering during the first couple of summer seasons aids establishment but they will tolerate short periods of drought. Propagation of favourite colour forms is best done by cuttings taken in summer.
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by joyce1938 18.11.15 14:27

Thanks for your reply, Joss, I wonder if newish bushes do take longer to bloom as much as bigger, older bushes. Or would it be not so far forward if newish plants, so would be slower? joyce1938

Textusa releases new statement (6 Nov 2015) on 'The Last Photo' - says it is a photoshopped composite of THREE different photographs, two of which were taken on Friday 18 May 2007

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